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Re: Anyone here being banned from my huge butt for no reason at all?
#501  December 17, 2016, 05:24:05 pm
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Jason Bourne said, December 17, 2016, 04:52:57 pm
Because I think they do need the money to pay the server fees or the site would be dead plain and simple, unless you expect the owner has to throw out half of his salary in this shit, why would he do that? Big free sites do need money to run you know. No ad = no google no youtube no fb no twitter no reddit and so on. And the internet wouldn't be any better then. and the MUGEN community wouldn't be any better either without the archive.

And I don't believe in these virus bullshit stories. Adfly is one of the biggest in the ad business, it wouldn't make any sense for them to not provide safe ads. All of this is just shit talk, people repeating what they've heard like parrots, no evidence ever provided.
Need proof??

http://virusremovalexpert.blogspot.com/2015/07/easy-methods-to-remove-adfly-from-your.html?m=1
http://blog.removevirusnow.org/adf-ly-removal/
http://virusguides.com/uninstall-adf-ly-virus/

Now get the fuck outta here with your propaganda bullshit misinforming other users that adfly is safe.
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Re: Anyone here being banned from my huge butt for no reason at all?
#502  December 17, 2016, 05:28:46 pm
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Jason Bourne said, December 17, 2016, 04:52:57 pm
And I don't believe in these virus bullshit stories.

The virus I got that forced adfly to open in every new tab in my browser was very real and having to format the HDD because of that was a big waste of time (Including having to move some critical files to another HDD before formatting).

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#503  December 17, 2016, 06:07:02 pm
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I would gladly continue this discussion because it is pretty entertaining, but something tells me I'll end with a warning or a ban from the admins just for having a different opinion

@Red, I know you're not the kind of guy who would lie, but you aren't a security expert either are you? if the shit you got was really a virus, you still wouldn't know where you got it from. I trust security specialists and they tell me massively that adfly is safe, period

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#504  December 17, 2016, 06:17:27 pm
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You wouldn't get banned for a differing opinion, you'd get banned for posting only to cause arguments and stir shit.....which is exactly what you're doing now.

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#505  December 17, 2016, 06:39:25 pm
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Jason Bourne said, December 17, 2016, 06:07:02 pm
@Red, I know you're not the kind of guy who would lie, but you aren't a security expert either are you? if the shit you got was really a virus, you still wouldn't know where you got it from. I trust security specialists and they tell me massively that adfly is safe, period
I'm an internet security specialist on the internet. Adfly is NOT safe, trust me, I'm an expert. I took Computer Science 400 and just like Total Biscuit I have an IQ of 155. You're being even more disingenuous than the developer of Filezilla and his hard-on for virus installing Sourceforge.

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Re: Anyone here being banned from my huge butt for no reason at all?
#506  December 17, 2016, 06:46:00 pm
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Jason Bourne said, December 17, 2016, 06:07:02 pm
@Red, I know you're not the kind of guy who would lie, but you aren't a security expert either are you? if the shit you got was really a virus, you still wouldn't know where you got it from. I trust security specialists and they tell me massively that adfly is safe, period

I'm not sure how safe is nowadays but there really isn't much room left to doubt about where I got my particular issue from.

* Only fishy site I visited (And I'm the only one using this PC) back then was adfly, since it hijacks your browser in order to show ads.
* All the virus did was redirect me to adfly whenever I open a tab, and it only did so in the browser I used to navigate through adfly links.
* No one else benefits from this but adfly.

Jason Bourne said, December 17, 2016, 06:07:02 pm
if the shit you got was really a virus, you still wouldn't know where you got it from

What? No. If you're good at tracking your own activity you definitely can tell where you got a virus from. Since when is knowing where you got a virus from a requirement to call something a virus to begin with? That doesn't make any sense.

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Re: Anyone here being banned from my huge butt for no reason at all?
#507  December 17, 2016, 07:14:10 pm
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A generous backer(s) said, December 17, 2016, 06:46:00 pm
* No one else benefits from this but adfly.
That's incorrect, when someone visits an adfly link, both adly and the publisher get money, so the malware could have been written by anybody who made an adfly account, with the intent to make easy money from it. You really can't blame adfly for that. Much like people who make click baits, you can't blame youtube or google or whatnot about it.

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What? No. If you're good at tracking your own activity you definitely can tell where you got a virus from. Since when is knowing where you got a virus from a requirement to call something a virus to begin with? That doesn't make any sense.
That's not the point, I'm telling you don't know how the malware made its way to your computer, that's all there is to it. You could get it from virtually any website that got compromised or any webshit program you downloaded

adfly suffers from a reputation issue that's for sure, you can tell by all the down votes, but at the end of the day i trust security specialists over popular opinions, and they massively say it's safe, so why should I think otherwise


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#508  December 17, 2016, 07:35:59 pm
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At this point jason bourne has repeatedly posted on this site demanding answers about why its dangerous, got answered every single time, and dismissed every answer. Every single one in 26 pages.

Seems safe to say he's not interested in any answers if he's going to ignore everyone of them and just repeat the same question again and again.

Note how he also ignores all the posts answering him why people dont want to see their work monetized, why they needing money for servers isnt enough of a reason to monetize others work or why they "cant be friends". This must be wha tthey think is an inteligent approach, just bullshitting away repeatedly until people get tired of telling you the "answers for six year olds" that would have suffiiced for any normal adult.


PS I work in security and sites that use adfly are usually banned from most networks that care about their users.
Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 07:39:46 pm by Iced

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#509  December 17, 2016, 07:39:25 pm
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a security specialist just told you that it's not safe, why did you ignore him?
don't act like some middle ground dude who defends whats right. you're obviously one of mugen archive's admins who just wants to clear that website's shitty reputation.
we're not gonna go through this again with you, and i believe jnb told you that if you post here again you will get banned. so jnb, kindly ban this person.
https://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2469816 said:
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Re: Anyone here being banned from my huge butt for no reason at all?
#510  December 17, 2016, 07:49:04 pm
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Jason Bourne said, December 17, 2016, 07:14:10 pm
That's incorrect, when someone visits an adfly link, both adly and the publisher get money, so the malware could have been written by anybody who made an adfly account, with the intent to make easy money from it. You really can't blame adfly for that. Much like people who make click baits, you can't blame youtube or google or whatnot about it.

I admit that that particular quote was a bait, I wanted to move the conversation all the way to this point to show you that while adfly itself (Or rather the company behind it) is not infecting people with a virus on purpose, they do allow other companies to do so with ease, which is yet another reason why adfly should be avoided at all cost.

I am 100% sure that virus came from adfly simply because the other sites I visited back then were just a few and always clean (We're talking about a loop between MFG, youtube, ffshrine, facebook, siliconera and tcrf at best back then years ago, with adfly links being hosted at ffshrine to download soundtracks). Adfly is the only potentially dangerous site that could've infected me back then.

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#511  December 17, 2016, 08:25:37 pm
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Adfly is a pesky malware software but its purpose is to spam ads, not to spread a virus,

Adfly itself is "clean" however the sites it is linking to may contain all sorts of trojans and virusses,


Basically you could have gotten a virus by every website that was contaminated and used to sprread a virus without the knowledge of the website owners. That happens every day with some hundred websites, especially smaller ones that are not often updated and on private servers without real security.

Am not defending the Bourne dude here, just try to clarify things a bit when it comes to adfly. I myself am not using it and never would.

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#512  December 17, 2016, 08:31:51 pm
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The point is that adfly doesn't do much to filter out unsafe ads. You're talking about any website that can be *hacked* (contaminated) by a third party, this is completely different. You would have a much harder time finding an unsafe ad on a site that gets ads from, for example, Google, because Google watches very closely over the sites they link to.
No one has said that adfly itself had a virus on its pages. Everyone IS talking about the ads that are displayed on or through adfly, which obviously come not from adfly itself but from the people who buy space from adfly.
But adfly still holds full responsibility, just like Google does on the ads they display.
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#513  December 17, 2016, 08:41:27 pm
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Note how he also ignores all the posts answering him why people dont want to see their work monetized, why they needing money for servers isnt enough of a reason to monetize others work or why they "cant be friends".

I actually think it's a good point, much more relevant than any other one.

But I also believe that the end result is what matters

take youtube or virustotal for instance, you could argue that they make money from others work but at the end of the day these sites are pretty damn useful and we wouldn't want an internet with them out

likewise the archive is doing the community a favor overall by making the search for playable material much less tedious, and helps get more people involved into mugen

if you look at alexa logs you can see that all big mugen sites have the same visitors

all these sites are complementary and help make the mugen community better and more attractive overall
if any of them dies the others will suffer too
seriously these wars should stop now, all these sites have no reason to fight and should be friends
Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 08:48:02 pm by Jason Bourne

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Re: Anyone here being banned from my huge butt for no reason at all?
#514  December 17, 2016, 08:48:42 pm
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Youtube is a platform, they make money by offering their platform to people who want to make content and upload it there. Youtube doesn't go around grabbing videos uploaded somewhere else to make money with the excuse of being a video archive.

Steam does the same thing. It's a platform that allows developers to sell their games on PC. They give exposure and a reliable platform at the cost of getting a part of every sale. Valve does not go around grabbing random games without the permission of the developer and make money out of that.


At the end of the day, if all that mattered was to make it easier for someone to find characters one could very well just upload the characters to a google cloud and call it a day since it's both easy to share things with and FREE. People could go the extra mile and just outright make a list with links to mugen sites and call it a day too, while maybe offering direct downloads to stuff that's no longer online.

That would benefit both the community and the authors since the user can be 100% sure that he's getting an up to date character while the author gets the clicks and can tell whether his content is actually good and wanted or bad and ignored.

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#515  December 17, 2016, 08:52:41 pm
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A generous backer(s) said, December 17, 2016, 08:48:42 pm
Youtube is a platform, they make money by offering their platform to people who want to make content and upload it there. Youtube doesn't go around grabbing videos uploaded somewhere else to make money with the excuse of being a video archive.
And in fact, if they did, they would be torched within a couple of days.
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#516  December 17, 2016, 09:27:30 pm
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youtube makes a shitload of money out of copyright violation, and would probably be long dead without it
virustotal benefits from the hard work of third party developers

a platform? fine, you can see the archive as a platform to share the mugen love
I think the archive owner uploaded zero file himself and most of the content was added by the community

at the end of the day what matters is these sites are damn useful and make life easier and better for everyone
the archive makes the mugen community better, less tedious more attractive and the whole community benefits from it, the alexa logs show that much

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#517  December 17, 2016, 09:35:15 pm
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I'm going to let god handle you people ✞

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#518  December 17, 2016, 09:37:33 pm
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#519  December 17, 2016, 09:42:19 pm
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Jason Bourne said, December 17, 2016, 09:27:30 pm
youtube makes a shitload of money out of copyright violation, and would probably be long dead without it
virustotal benefits from the hard work of third party developers

a platform? fine, you can see the archive as a platform to share the mugen love
I think the archive owner uploaded zero file himself and most of the content was added by the community

at the end of the day what matters is these sites are damn useful and make life easier and better for everyone
the archive makes the mugen community better, less tedious more attractive and the whole community benefits from it, the alexa logs show that much

It benefits the community to potentially open itself up to viruses? When there are much safer options. Actual community users and creators are upset by it and potential new users first experience could be a virus. Again i must say, how isn't he banned yet? Obvious troll is obvious. He's not even trying to hide it at this point.
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#520  December 17, 2016, 09:54:55 pm
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No one is benefited by a site monetizing other creators work while that same site claims they will destroy other mugen sites if they want their stuff removed while putting whoever goes to theri site at risks of viruses for the sake of monetizing.

This has been repeated at least once every page in this thread and yet you still keep pretending to not understand.
No one is being fooled. Quit this nonsense.

This is not a drill, I think Jnp warned you to stop reposting the same thing over and over, but if he didnt Im doing it. 
Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 10:04:46 pm by Iced
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