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Re: everything speedruns and tas ~agdq 2015 ongoing~
#21  January 08, 2015, 10:08:36 pm
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Re: everything speedruns and tas ~agdq 2015 ongoing~
#22  January 08, 2015, 10:11:50 pm
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#23  January 08, 2015, 10:35:33 pm
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Sure it does, you are a huge fan of Fire Emblem so it's easy for to watch and enjoy, conversely, I don't know shit about Fire Emblem and I wasn't able to watch and enjoy it and I would assume the same could be said of anyone like me as well.
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Street fighting is all about analysis, prediction, and reaction. That's it.

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#24  January 08, 2015, 10:39:37 pm
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#25  January 08, 2015, 10:41:22 pm
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i dont play a ton of the games in agdq and i can still watch and enjoy them, i dont think your assumption works honestly

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Re: everything speedruns and tas ~agdq 2015 ongoing~
#26  January 08, 2015, 10:51:49 pm
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theres a lot of games that are hard to care for when you dont really know it first, seeing a speed run without having the notion of how long the game was to begin with leads to a distorted view of the game to begin with.  This isnt really true for puzzle games tho.

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Re: everything speedruns and tas ~agdq 2015 ongoing~
#27  January 08, 2015, 11:14:23 pm
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i love fire emblem and i can't imagine someone caring much about a speedrun without really understanding how the game works, like how important positioning is and all the random factors can completely ruin a speedrun (stat upgrades after each level up are random, critical hits are random, death is permanent and you're probably not going to reset during a speedrun). you need to have played one of the games to appreciate the speedrun otherwise it's not very exciting

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#28  January 08, 2015, 11:26:17 pm
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thats valid too except the runner/couch crew explained everything you needed to understand pretty well including all the random factors you mentioned plus other things crucial to understanding the game.

its not the games fault you cant understand whats going on if youre not willing to listen to them (cause youre too busy complaining about how its a 3 hour run and other childish crap like 90 percent of the twitch chat)
Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 11:29:39 pm by Umezono

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#29  January 08, 2015, 11:28:40 pm
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#30  January 08, 2015, 11:35:32 pm
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You crazy umezono!
I didn't ask to see older speed runs to watch runs from games I've never played or not interested in.
I don't play Fire Emblem and have no desire to do so. Why would I want to waste my time watching runs for games I have no interest in?

Maybe you can watch any game at all be played but some people need some sort of base interest first.

Umezono

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#31  January 08, 2015, 11:49:53 pm
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well i wasnt arguing that everyone should watch it, im just arguing that its not something you need to have played before to understand and that its not a bad game to be spectated. OBVIOUSLY i know people arent into it, its just the general statement that only super fe nerds can appreciate it that is ridiculous.

plus i wasnt telling you specifically to watch it either! unless you ar ejust using yourself as an example.

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#32  January 08, 2015, 11:53:16 pm
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Yeah, just using myself as an example :p

Felt more like you thought everyone should enjoy that run.

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#33  January 09, 2015, 12:27:19 am
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wasnt my intention bro

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#34  January 09, 2015, 12:32:37 am
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I haven't really played a FE game before (wihout ragequitting because I don't wanna let anyone die ever ;~;) and I never really cared for the Ike games, but it was pretty hilarious to just watch Jill and Haar steamroll the shit out of everything.

Kinda have to agree with Ume, when you run a 40+ hour game in less than three, outside of the initial pickup being slow, not only is it impressive but it's simply entrancing to see the game just surrendering itself like that.

I think the whole problem here lied in Temp's mention of it not being a great game to spectate instead of just saying "it's not up my alley". lol



EDIT:
btw anyone here catch the Megaman block? coolkid just utterly wrecked MM1, shit was sicknasty.
Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 12:36:54 am by Shwa

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Re: everything speedruns and tas ~agdq 2015 ongoing~
#35  January 09, 2015, 12:50:56 am
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I can barely watch gamecenter dx when he is playing a game i havent ever heard about.
Then again that show was almost the opposite of a speed run.

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#36  January 09, 2015, 01:55:32 am
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Shwa said, January 09, 2015, 12:32:37 am
I think the whole problem here lied in Temp's mention of it not being a great game to spectate instead of just saying "it's not up my alley". lol


That is implied with all opinionated statements. There are plenty of people who think it's not a great game to watch if you're not into it, someone explaining it doesn't really do a game like that justice, if I showed you a clip of someone doing something in League of Legends or World of Warcraft and told you why it was cool, you still wouldn't really have a full appreciation of it, that's why I feel like a game like Fire Emblem isn't a great game to watch for the average person
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#37  January 09, 2015, 01:57:52 am
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That'd be all fine and dandy if it actually came out as one. Jus' saying.
o wait you ninja'd my bad

TempesT said, January 09, 2015, 01:55:32 am
someone explaining it doesn't really do a game like that justice
But you could say that for every game ever. ww
Plus, in these speedruns you kinda have no choice but to explain anyways. I mean this is a speedrunning marathon.
You come to support the cause and watch games done quick with couch pilots specifically assigned to describe what the runner does if it's serious time.
Being able to utterly destroy a very long campaign in little time by exploiting several good units is just about the same as running a platformer on Any% using wrong warps; you get to follow exactly why those strategies are effective. Besides, it generally relies on personal interest regardless.
Unless you have another reason to explain the 30k+ viewer drop right after Super Monkey Ball Deluxe. :P
Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 02:21:38 am by Shwa

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#38  January 09, 2015, 02:26:31 am
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I've wasted a gazillion hours playing FE 4,6,7,8,9 and I honestly couldn't in good faith tell anyone with zero exposure to the series to sit through 3 hours of gameplay without dialogue and battle animations, no fucking way they're gonna enjoy it. The game lacks eye candy.

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#39  January 09, 2015, 02:34:03 am
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At least this year was better than last year.
Last year's FE8 runner Bertin extended half an hour over a failed trick IIRC and a generally slow run, and he just quit everything forever. It was legit terrible.

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#40  January 09, 2015, 03:59:45 am
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Shwa said, January 09, 2015, 01:57:52 am
TempesT said, January 09, 2015, 01:55:32 am
someone explaining it doesn't really do a game like that justice
But you could say that for every game ever. ww

No, not really (key phrase here: "like that").  It's a game full of intricacies. Umezono even said he watched several other games that he was not versed in or played at all and found them easy to watch. I never played Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze or any Castlevania game but I could easily watch a game like those being speed run. Also, what Cyan Paul said.
you can't mixup a blind man, and you can't out think a brick ~skisonic
Street fighting is all about analysis, prediction, and reaction. That's it.

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