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Started by Edtion, June 05, 2011, 10:00:42 am
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Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
#21  June 06, 2011, 09:21:43 pm
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What about these Wonder Women? (they're the exact same Wonder Woman you saw tossing that truck)


If you're judging style, I'd say the wonder woman on the left is better.... and if you don't know when she got that look, it's because you're only watching the animated versions of the characters (like superman from the justice lords in Justice League).
The animated version are normally more simplified and tone down to be more kid friendly.

Spoiler: look at starfire (click to see content)

Spoiler: and brainiac (click to see content)
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#22  June 07, 2011, 03:02:31 am
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#23  June 07, 2011, 03:58:14 am
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It's not entirely true for the movies such as superman/batman movies.... but clearly you're joking when you say that about the DCAU  --; (which includes Batman, Superman, Justice League/Unlimited, etc.)

If the designs weren't more simplified and the stories weren't toned down to be kid friendly, then how would you explain the Joker, a homicidal maniac, having lots of weapons, death traps, and rampages, to have never killed a single person in all of the DCAU? (when he probably has the most amount of murders in the comic's universe)

Spoiler: toon media (click to see content)

Everything below All-Star Superman wasn't (too) toned down to be appropriate for children, everything else was (and no, I'm obviously not talking about 3 year olds, I'm talking about maybe 5-14)

And by "more simplified" I mean they lack certain details that the comics show, like Brainiac with only a few crystal tag things on his head, or the Joker without stripes on his jacket, or Wonder Woman with only a few stars on her panties  :).
These designs were made to speed up the drawing phases for the animation (which is completely reasonable).

By "toned down to be more kid friendly" I mean they completely changed starfire's outfit (and breasts) from this into this, when they could have just as easily used this. They gave her a skirt and covered up her breasts. That's censoring, and they did that just to make it more appropriate for children. That's toning things down, and I don't like it.

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#24  June 07, 2011, 04:03:16 am
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If the designs weren't more simplified and the stories weren't toned down to be kid friendly, then how would you explain the Joker, a homicidal maniac, having lots of weapons, death traps, and rampages, to have never killed a single person in all of the DCAU? (when he probably has the most amount of murders in the comic's universe)
Dude, Joker's killed plenty of people in the DCAU, especially in Mask of the Phantasm and the uncut version of Return of the Joker.

Spoiler: toon media (click to see content)
Neither of those take place in the DCAU.
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#25  June 07, 2011, 04:31:43 am
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Spoiler: toon media (click to see content)
Neither of those take place in the DCAU.
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If the designs weren't more simplified and the stories weren't toned down to be kid friendly, then how would you explain the Joker, a homicidal maniac, having lots of weapons, death traps, and rampages, to have never killed a single person in all of the DCAU? (when he probably has the most amount of murders in the comic's universe)
Dude, Joker's killed plenty of people in the DCAU, especially in Mask of the Phantasm and the uncut version of Return of the Joker.

Is the uncut version of Batman Beyond exactly 1 hour 42 minutes and 16 seconds long? If so, then that's the one I watched, and took a look at, a few moments ago. In that movie, I forgot that the Joker killed that ONE henchman. Aside from that, he sprayed Joker gas on a few people, and destroyed some buildings, but those are ONLY assumed deaths. You don't know if any of them actually died. They all could have easily stopped their cars before they fall of the highways, or crashed into the water and got out of their cars, and for the people that were gassed, they could have received an antidote before they laughed themselves to death. And you don't know if anyone was actually in those building that the joker blasted.
Same thing for mask of the phantasm. I forgot about this one, but in that movie, the Joker didn't kill anyone, that girl did. (the same thing for his gassed victims apply too)

So aside from those mobsters and that joker henchmen, no one else was murdered (by the Joker or that girl) (just implied)

Anything else? (that is actually shown or said, and not just implied)

p.s. the justice lords version of superman killed lex luthor, but they didn't brutalize it any farther than saying that "that guy is in jail for murder" (Which is appropriate for children. As I recall, you're told in elementary that Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luthor King were assassinated, not baby terms like "they went away" or "they're with angels now")
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#26  June 07, 2011, 04:56:02 am
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No, they don't. They clearly do not. Especially Superman: Doomsday, which would directly contradict JLU's Doomsday.

And you don't know if anyone was actually in those building that the joker blasted.
The buildings with all the lights on? Yeah, sure, nobody was in there. I remember reading somewhere that the writers considered all victims of the Joker venom stuff who were not specifically noted as being given an antidote as dead. There are also newspaper clippings in some episodes that will mention Joker killing people.

And so what if he doesn't have a gigantic body count? He doesn't need one to be menacing. The DCAU Joker is the best interpretation of the character, bar none.
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#27  June 07, 2011, 05:01:38 am
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The DCAU Joker is DEFINITELY not the best interpretation of the Joker  o_O. The Joker from Batman: under the red hood is. (the DCAU joker is second best in the animated universe)

I'm not saying he isn't menacing or needs a lot of body counts. But he definitely is child friendly compared to the comic version that shoots people in the head just because he's bored  :sugoi:.
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#28  June 07, 2011, 05:06:34 am
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The DCAU Joker is DEFINITELY not the best interpretation of the Joker  o_O. The Joker from Batman: under the red hood is. (the DCAU joker is second best in the animated universe)
Are you serious.

Look, I love John DiMaggio, but he is nowhere near as menacing as Mark Hamil as the Joker.

I'm not saying he isn't menacing or needs a lot of body counts. But he definitely is child friendly compared to the comic version that shoots people in the head just because he's bored  :sugoi:.
I think that actually makes him better, because in the hands of lesser writers the comic Joker often just randomly kills people with no flair or substance. With the restrictions the animated series had, the writers had to make every murder the Joker could commit matter.
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#29  June 07, 2011, 05:18:27 am
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B:UtRH's Joker is better because he killed Robin in an explosion, laughed about it, crippled Barbara Gordon(I assume he did this too), and laughed about Batman breaking nearly all of his bones. That's the comic version Joker.

A homicidal lunatic with a bunch of weapons and free time will do a lot of things, and randomly killing people is definitely one of those things. They don't kill just because they had a really good reason to.

If we're debating whether or not the the comic version Joker is better than the DCAU Joker, I say comics win.
If we're debating whether or not B:UtRH's Joker is more like the comic version than the DCAU Joker, I say B:UtRH win.

If you're saying DCAU Joker is better than both of them, then fine. You're entitled to your own opinions, just as I am.
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#30  June 07, 2011, 05:32:03 am
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They don't kill just because they had a really good reason to.
I meant that the writer's had a good reason, not the Joker himself. :P

B:UtRH's Joker is better because he killed Robin in an explosion, laughed about it, crippled Barbara Gordon(I assume he did this too), and laughed about Batman breaking nearly all of his bones. That's the comic version Joker.
What the Joker does in Return of the Joker is worse, IMO. He tortures Robin for like 3 days, completely breaking his mind.

If we're debating whether or not the the comic version Joker is better than the DCAU Joker, I say comics win.
Well, to a certain extent, yes, that's what I'm saying, taking both versions as a whole. Basically, the Joker in the DCAU was always portrayed greatly, while the comic version has had some terrible depictions of the Joker. But the good comics also have amazing deceptions of the Joker!



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#31  June 07, 2011, 06:20:20 am
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B:UtRH's Joker is better because he killed Robin in an explosion, laughed about it, crippled Barbara Gordon(I assume he did this too), and laughed about Batman breaking nearly all of his bones. That's the comic version Joker.
What the Joker does in Return of the Joker is worse, IMO. He tortures Robin for like 3 days, completely breaking his mind.
Three weeks.... they only shown Joker electrifying Robin (from what I'd assume) a few hours a day.
Sure, that's a bit dark for younger children, but it's not as bad as watching a guy beat a teen in the head with a crowbar. This Joker spent a while (an unlabeled amount of time) alone with Robin, breaking his bones and possibly giving him concussions, then after a while, Robin laying on the ground with a bunch of blood splattered around him, the Joker walks away laughing, then blows up the building Robin was in. He did this just for fun. That's more dark (or maybe graphic) than what the DCAU Joker did.


If we're debating whether or not the the comic version Joker is better than the DCAU Joker, I say comics win.
Well, to a certain extent, yes, that's what I'm saying, taking both versions as a whole. Basically, the Joker in the DCAU was always portrayed greatly, while the comic version has had some terrible depictions of the Joker. But the good comics also have amazing deceptions of the Joker!

You may be able to say that about the DCAU Joker because he didn't have hundreds pf appearances and was probably made by only a couple of people. The comics version of the Joker is handed around by lots of different writers and artists, so of course there will be some variety with them, but the overall character of the Joker is the same,  crazy killing clown.
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#32  June 07, 2011, 10:25:05 pm
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DCAU Joker is depicted more consistently and I do fell he's better than the comic joker. you will have to read comics and watch these show for a long time before you figure out why.

I would not believe any wiki that says AOA is a current possible future   :noo:
it was the future but it is no more. If anything it is a separate dimension.
 
Marvel is still and will forever be looking a "the days of our future past" as the ending for the X-men
they haven't been able to shake it for 20 years.

DC doesn't have any definitive futures set for their characters. Disregard batman 666 I can't see that truly ever coming to pass.
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#33  June 08, 2011, 02:09:52 am
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Batman Beyond is the future of Batman. But because DC is never going to let the characters continue long enough to see that time, that's the only future we can be certain of.
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#34  June 08, 2011, 03:00:42 am
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Batman Beyond = DCAU future only do not get these things crossed or confused
and stop making massive assumptions.

you should sigh up with this forums for more accurate info than what you find on the wiki

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/
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#35  June 08, 2011, 03:47:24 am
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By "toned down to be more kid friendly" I mean they completely changed starfire's outfit (and breasts) from this into this, when they could have just as easily used this. They gave her a skirt and covered up her breasts. That's censoring, and they did that just to make it more appropriate for children. That's toning things down, and I don't like it.

And ironically enough, there's more porn of this "toned down to be more kid friendly" look than the big breasted .scantily-clad version. Ugh.

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#36  June 08, 2011, 03:53:02 am
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That's cause they went japanese on her. She looks like she comes from her planet's (Tamarind) japan assuming, they have a japan.
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#37  June 08, 2011, 04:23:09 am
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And ironically enough, there's more porn of this "toned down to be more kid friendly" look than the big breasted .scantily-clad version. Ugh.

That's because more people watch cartoons than comics. Comics are boring and only reason they catch my interest is because every television adaptation is less violent and make their own stories instead of just animating the events from the comics (like what most anime do with mangas).


Batman Beyond = DCAU future only do not get these things crossed or confused
and stop making massive assumptions.
you should sigh up with this forums for more accurate info than what you find on the wiki
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/

I'm not just making assumptions  --;. (everything is assumed unless the creators specifically say that something happened or not and DC seems to normally do that.)

(I thought I should've mentioned this earlier) I'm talking about Batman Beyond Vol.3+, not the cartoon version.

Batman Beyond (after vol 1+2) is a Terry in the future after Infinite Crisis brought back the multiverse, so he's either a definite/possible future or an alternate Earth's Future.
He's in Batman #700, Superman/Batman #75, and Superman/Batman Annual #4
It's true that that doesn't prove that he's New Earth's future, but since it's not an elseworld or a separate comic series outside of the mainstream continuity, then it does prove that it's in the current multiverse (I say current because DC always change things)

About the comic resource site, I've been there before, but I didn't pay much attention to it. I'll think about browsing that site, but unless it's an official DC site, it has no more leverage on facts than wikia does.
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#38  June 08, 2011, 04:34:33 am
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you're starting to piss me off

BB was an elseworld story based on the cartoon. It became one of the 52 worlds. You should seriously consider registering on that site. It is alot better than the wikis and it's the next best thing to the actual company since some of the artist or writers come on that site. (very rarely)
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#39  June 08, 2011, 04:38:41 am
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you're starting to piss me off

Finally someone gets pissed off here, it's about damn time!

A clusterfuck of walltext after walltext, no wonder why I definitely do not care about comic books or their community at all. It's bad when you know something its canon until someone else takes the direction of the next comic, reboots the whole shit, retcons everything and you are set back to 0 wtih all that knowledge becoming useless to keep track of the next story.
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#40  June 08, 2011, 04:54:09 am
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Comics are boring and only reason they catch my interest is because every television adaptation is less violent and make their own stories instead of just animating the events from the comics (like what most anime do with mangas).
Most mangas don't have 70+ years of history, with wildly different interpretations of the characters.

And what's the point of a direct, 1:1 adaption anyway? Why even bother?