Sigh okay, the nominations for February have been slow as hell and nothing came out of it and well Jmorphman said this thing won't work monthly and should be reworkedJmorphman said:Now, Stage of the Month is not doing so well. February got only 4 nominations. A monthly contest is just not workable, I'm afraid to say. I propose we move it to either a bimonthly or maybe even a quarterly system.Here is what I suggested but nobody read it so here it is againRadBot i said, April 02, 2014, 03:13:22 amRadBot here, after my upgrades I came up with way to keep this trivial matter organized. Due to the numerous amounts of stages it would make sense for entries to be more exclusive if the competition is going to be quarterly. Users should enter only if they desire to, no nominations nor multiple entries from one creator, you enter one stage to be allowed into the competition and a small number of users would review it and allow it to be entered into the poll. If quarterly that would limit only 3 users to having the award, so let the awards be given to the third, second, and first places. This way there would be 3 winners for every quarter, allowing for 12 competitors for stage of the year, the same number character of the year shall normally have.Now, if it's going to be quarterly (which I think would be better imo due to the 12 competitor thing I mentioned) I suggested the entry thing, since stages get released a lot more frequently than characters nominating would be a rather messy system since there'd be so many stages to choose from. So I feel that the competing stages be submitted by creators themselves, let people enter their best or favorite stage to compete in each quarter. If too numerous I suggest having a small number of people determine what stage to be allowed in the contest or not. How does this sound to everyone? If anyone else has better ideas feel free to share please.
That seems fair. I had thought that maybe we could just increase the amount of entries or something but that could just lead to a giant list with only a few things having many votes.
The main problem with this contest (the general public not giving a shit about its existance) isn't going to be solved by making the non-voting periods even longer (it'd be even more forgetable that way) and even less by shifting it into a more creator-centric contest (we already have a yearly contest like that).Just put SOTM to sleep.
The Mysterious Fubini said, April 04, 2014, 02:19:10 amJust put SOTM to sleep.I'm leaning towards this. It's not really going anywhere and I don't see much happening with it in the future.
Was mainly doing this to try to at least save Sai's idea since I know he really wanted this to be a thing, but he hasn't given input lately nor do I know when he was last active so w/e.
The Mysterious Fubini said, April 04, 2014, 02:19:10 amThe main problem with this contest (the general public not giving a shit about its existance) isn't going to be solved by making the non-voting periods even longer (it'd be even more forgetable that way) and even less by shifting it into a more creator-centric contest (we already have a yearly contest like that).Just put SOTM to sleep.I disagree; the unofficial Stage of the Year that had the judges voting and stuff was pretty popular; if all else fails we can fall back on that. But I think a quarterly system would work just as well.
Jmorphman said, April 04, 2014, 02:45:34 amI disagree; the unofficial Stage of the Year that had the judges voting and stuff was pretty popular; if all else fails we can fall back on that. But I think a quarterly system would work just as well....that was exactly my point, there's already a contest like that, so there's no point in reworking our own 'official' contest into something similar as it would be both less representative of the forum as a whole and it would usurp/fail to usurp that contest's niche.
Didn't see that part, whoops.But yeah, turning it into the unofficial one would just be a measure of last resort; I don't think it would be pointless because giving it a sense of legitimacy couldn't hurt. But I really do think trying out a quarterly or twice a year type contest couldn't hurt.
Lith said, April 04, 2014, 02:28:11 amWas mainly doing this to try to at least save Sai's idea since I know he really wanted this to be a thing, but he hasn't given input lately nor do I know when he was last active so w/e.My schedule has been a little crazy and my Mugen time has been a little nonexistent as of late because of it, so I apologize for being quiet for the past three days.I would really like to keep the stage of the month going, with perhaps changing the rules a little bit to make nominations a little easier to come by. I was thinking perhaps 2 nominations per stage and only 10 entries to close things out and begin voting. Just a thought.I will say though... some characters of the month have started out slow, some have been quick; some have been popular and some have not. This is also the second month that stage of the month has been around, so maybe it's also a slow start overall. People did ask for this too, so why stop only after a couple of bad months??And if worse comes to worse, we do have ExShadow's yearly contest as well.
Saikoro said, April 04, 2014, 05:31:15 amI will say though... some characters of the month have started out slow, some have been quick; some have been popular and some have not. This is also the second month that stage of the month has been around, so maybe it's also a slow start overall. People did ask for this too, so why stop only after a couple of bad months??Because people say they'll do shit and by the time it happens they don't give a damn and forgot it existed. It's your contest Sai, your call.
This is the reason the other contest ideas wouldn't work. The more contests spread over time the less it'll work. I'm for trying a quarterly one. Try a few varieties with it but if it still doesn't get enough attention put it down.
Saikoro said, April 04, 2014, 05:31:15 amI will say though... some characters of the month have started out slow, some have been quick; some have been popular and some have not. This is also the second month that stage of the month has been around, so maybe it's also a slow start overall.The first few character of the months were pretty popular; and even the least popular ones have gotten more than 10 nominations. There's just not enough demand to warrant a monthly stage contest, unfortunately.
I'm all for the quarterly idea, just to see if it can stick. I've seen some wicked ass-kicking stages and they deserve some sort of recognition.Jmorphman said, April 04, 2014, 05:58:17 amThere's just enough demand to warrant a monthly stage contest, unfortunately.Did you mean to say "not" enough?
Sai why did you not try the quarterly thing instead of going ahead and making a voting thread for a scarce month?
I think the reason this didn't work is because the only ones who post about stages on releases are the creators themselves, there's almost no threads about outsiders releasing stages so no one have idea about people making stages but the 3-4 people actually make stages here (Exshadow would win like the half of year here, u know)Stages aren't popular as chars here, if they were same popular as chars, the SOTM would be so required as COTM, but this isn't the case. So the problem isn't if this is monthly, quartely or even annual. I like the idea and I even vote there (if I would make stages again, probably I'd nominate them), but I've to agree with kill SOTM too
Lith said, April 04, 2014, 08:12:35 pmSai why did you not try the quarterly thing instead of going ahead and making a voting thread for a scarce month?That's not a bad idea. I'm gonna give it one more month with slightly modified rules (2 nominations instead of 3, 15 total entries instead of 20) and see how it goes. I'm willing to see how things pan out first and take it from there.
I really don't think it's worth doing it another month. The past two have proved pretty conclusively that this is just not gonna work out monthly. Trying it another month is not gonna change things. There's already a number of people calling for outright canceling the entire shindig. It's time to call it a lost cause and try and move on from it.And now is the exact the right time to try out a quarterly system; pushing that up a month risks making it even more fraught and unpopulated. Posted: April 05, 2014, 06:06:06 amI mean seriously; the discussion right now is not whether it should be monthly or quarterly, it's whether this is worth doing at all.
Alright. Lets see what happens with March and then go another route, whether it be quarterly or whatnot. I have a feeling it will still be slow, but you never know.
:IMonthly isn't working. Monthly has been proven not to work. Right now it's not a matter of choosing to do monthly or quarterly, it's a matter of doing the contest at all. Now is not the time to try another monthly contest. It failed.
I don't understand why do you (plural 'you', not just Jmorphman) think this is going to work in june if it doesn't work right now. I don't think people will rush like crazy to the nomation topic just because there are more stages released.
I say just give it time. Either it will work out or not. Character of the Month has had slower months every now and then as well, so this Stage of the Month thing isn't that much different. Let's see how March turns out. Three replies today thus far, and I'm going to chime in with my own nominations shortly.
Character of the month never had months as bad as the last two stage of the months. The Mysterious Fubini said, April 05, 2014, 06:10:11 pmI don't understand why do you (plural 'you', not just Jmorphman) think this is going to work in june if it doesn't work right now. I don't think people will rush like crazy to the nomation topic just because there are more stages released.Well, I was imagining a rule change to go along with it, something along the lines of what Lith described. People clearly aren't that interested in nominating stages but I'm hoping that getting to the voting stage with a good amount of entries, people will vote for something. I definitely think it's worth a shot to try and save this thing, but to do that we need to radically rethink things. And doing another monthly contest isn't gonna do that.
Lith has a point, becauseDalek Basara said, April 05, 2014, 04:43:31 amI think the reason this didn't work is because the only ones who post about stages on releases are the creators themselves, there's almost no threads about outsiders releasing stages so no one have idea about people making stages but the 3-4 people actually make stages hereI got a point too and seems nobody read it
@Saikoro: Let's just hang it up for this month, man. Try JMorphMan's idea if you want it to possibly survive. Letting it stay on life support too long hurts the COTM awards as well. JMM's idea might not work either but it's better to try it at this point than to keep it going another agonizing month before you try his idea.
Snakebyte said, February 22, 2014, 08:25:29 amI actually like Stage of the Quarter.CalledSnakebyte said, February 23, 2014, 07:46:14 pmI still prefer Stage of the QuarterItedit: wait, wait, I know I've got another one somewhereSnakebyte said, February 09, 2014, 09:18:12 pmCharacters are released way more frequently than other things. I think this should be a thing, but only yearly.there we go
Well, the decision is pretty clear here.With that said, how do we go about signifying someone won Stage of the Month/Quarter/etc.?? I see the nifty looking trophy for Character of the Month. How will we handle this for stages??
Same thing just different color, that is if this continues. Looking at it I just don't think it's going to be a thing.
There's two other trophies uploaded, one was gonna be for monthly and one way gonna be for yearly; the former can be used for quarterly.Lith said, April 08, 2014, 07:08:06 amLooking at it I just don't think it's going to be a thing.Can't hurt to try out a quarterly thing. We should keep in mind the problems the monthly ones ran into; namely the nomination process. Hopefully people are more liable to quickly vote in a poll than they were trying to remember what stages were released when and making a post nominating specific ones. So self-nomination seems to be the way to go (dunno how to handle found stages though, I guess we could let regular users nominate them, with only 2 votes for it to become a nominee?) Run the nomination process for 15 months, no limit to self-nominees.We should also try getting the word out to the stage creators, like make it thread of the week, maybe post in the screenshots thread and random topic, or something.
If you can get quarterly to be thread of the week then sure this could be worth a shot. Might as well do it now, sorry Sai gonna can your nomination and voting threads since they're making no progress.Question, how many entries would be good?
If we're gonna do self-nomination I don't think there should be a limit, but since we need to include found releases there should probably a limit for those, maybe? I dunno I'm tired.
I suppose... I can't say I really want to have a huge poll with tons of entries but hey I doubt most people will care about it so I suppose not having a limit wouldn't hurt..
Maybe I'm misjudging things but it doesn't seem like there would a gigantic list if everyone was limited to one; the number of stage creators seems much lower than character creators. I think?
We're almost done with this year, would like to get some feedback on how the contest is so far. I am making this thread so early because I would like to start the entering phase forQ4 a bit earlier than the deadline as I see people forgetting about this or not being aware of it and by the time they do know about the contest it's too late and they have to wait 3 months to enter, I don't like that, but first I want to get some input on if it's a good idea or not.So basically I'm just asking on how this could be improved for 2015. The remainder of this year will be the same to be consistent but I would like to improve this since I don't think it's quite what it could be yet.
The competition usually starts after a quarter is over but I'm probably going to start the entering phase mid December.
