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Re: Net Neutrality is in danger.... Again.
#41  December 14, 2017, 09:29:23 pm
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Titiln said, December 14, 2017, 09:26:42 pm
in my case at least i never had net neutrality and i'm not living the nightmare scenario being put forth by so many. i hope isps aren't total shitheads about it in america

Yeah, they can get pretty darn ridiculous when it comes to matters like this. In America, there's the Big Three as I call them when it comes to getting phone-cable/satellite-internet service, and if there's a better option than them....they always try to take them out with bylaws and fees. That's the problem with the Big Three, in competition with each other and slowly bringing prices up to the point where it gets ridiculous, cause at the end of the day it's all about making a profit.
Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 09:37:26 pm by R565

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#42  December 14, 2017, 09:39:20 pm
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Didn't Comcast throttle Netflix before NN went into effect?  Or was that just a scare tactic that others said happened but didn't happen?

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#43  December 14, 2017, 10:30:02 pm
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Person Man said, December 14, 2017, 08:59:49 pm
^ What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
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The simple answer is, I've been following the whole show just like last time and I enjoy taking the piss out of people on major social media sites. Reddit's been surprisingly better than expected today than the past few weeks' threads about it, but there's still some gems hidden in there.

Out of curiosity though, What in the actual fuck is wrong with you?
Do I have to toe the lines of doom and gloom or be quiet when others do?
Or is it that I can't take the piss out of people unless it's Ajit Pai or the people who are somehow against NN? Because that never happens..
Have you been in any of the the Trump/Brexit threads since they started with all the pisstakes on both sides? If not, good for you!
Maybe you think I'm bullying MFG posters by only slightly exaggerating the hysteria from Reddit and Shitter? If so that's on you.
Or maybe you're just jealous??

Titiln said, December 14, 2017, 09:26:42 pm
i hope isps aren't total shitheads about it in america
Too late. ISPs were always some of the biggest corporate shitheads in America. It's effectively a guarantee they're rubbing their hands ready to fuck content providers which will ultimately fuck us. They pretty much control the FCC too, just about everyone who works there comes from Verizon/Comcast/any other Service Provider of phone/internet/cable. Wheeler who preceded the Paiman surprised everyone when he didn't side with ISPs considering he came from some Communications Service Provider company IIRC. That was like a 20% chance at best of a person given the state the FCC is and has been in, the most recent change isn't surprising it was bound to happen sooner or later without FCC restructuring.

It is important to know that NN isn't dead.. yetTM. There's still some hoops that need to be jumped thru plus there's still a congress and Trump that can work their magic, not that I have high hopes for Trump on this. His and Hillary's statement and history on the internet are the core reasons why I didn't vote for either of them.

What is important is that people stay sane about it and keep their Ethernet cords plugged into their computers, even if NN "dies" this year it still isn't the end of NN or the internet.


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#44  December 14, 2017, 11:16:41 pm
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I think about it, and I realise we need to keep a calm head about all of this because the FCC is headed by an guy that does this....

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#45  December 14, 2017, 11:27:31 pm
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Chronan said, December 14, 2017, 10:30:02 pm
Person Man said, December 14, 2017, 08:59:49 pm
^ What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
Out of curiosity though, What in the actual fuck is wrong with you?
Do I have to toe the lines of doom and gloom or be quiet when others do?
Or is it that I can't take the piss out of people unless it's Ajit Pai or the people who are somehow against NN? Because that never happens..
Have you been in any of the the Trump/Brexit threads since they started with all the pisstakes on both sides? If not, good for you!
Maybe you think I'm bullying MFG posters by only slightly exaggerating the hysteria from Reddit and Shitter? If so that's on you.
Or maybe you're just jealous??

The self-satisfied junior league nihilism routine isn't really necessary, since nobody here is acting like that.  I'm fine if you want to sit around and pat yourself on the back for being the most woke, but there's no need to be a dick about it when people are trying to have a serious discussion.
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#46  December 15, 2017, 01:39:38 am
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R565

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#47  December 15, 2017, 01:47:01 am
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In the end we have to fight even harder to make up for this loss. The FCC have a bunch of hurdles left so yeah, let's build up morale and keep fighting.

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#48  December 15, 2017, 02:00:41 am
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Person Man said, December 14, 2017, 11:27:31 pm
The self-satisfied junior league nihilism routine isn't really necessary, since nobody here is acting like that.  I'm fine if you want to sit around and pat yourself on the back for being the most woke, but there's no need to be a dick about it when people are trying to have a serious discussion.
^Thanks for the info, but you sound even more full of shit than I do after that post. So props on pulling that off man! Sounds like you ultimately just missed that I was mocking the doomsayers who were already mentioned earlier in the thread and spread across the internet and every major media site talking about this exact issue and blowing it to insane proportions. Then you read into it far too much and assumed some personal traits and beliefs of mine. It's okay though, it happens to the worst of us!

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but there's no need to be a dick about it when people are trying to have a serious discussion.
Do you even browse All That's Left? You're acting like this is the first time you've seen ATL shitposting. It's not wokeness dude nor is it patting myself on the back, you're just being ridiculous because you assumed I was attacking you or like-minded people. This is coming from the guy who just made a ridiculous joke about hanging himself with an Ethernet cable because I read an article that stated the internet as we know it is DEAD!
That's the equivalent of "You shouldn't make asinine jokes when we talk about serious things on an online video game forum." Cool man but I'm content. I'll be a dick and make fun of dumb shit til I get the boot or get bored. "serious business"


morbidjoe said, December 15, 2017, 01:39:38 am
im just getting depressed about this...
Don't get depressed over it. Call/e-mail your congressmen when it is in their court. Or look forward to voting someone in someday who "might" try to fix this. The Dems will run candidates in 2018 and 2020 who will claim to want to restore NN. I mean if they want a chance at winning they will. Plus the Dem presidential candidates tend to be more likely to get endorsements/$$$ by the same corporations who were actively for NN, since they are #1 to be fucked by it. So it isn't over.. yetTM.

The Sudden Rarity said, December 14, 2017, 09:39:20 pm
Didn't Comcast throttle Netflix before NN went into effect?  Or was that just a scare tactic that others said happened but didn't happen?
That did happen. Netflix paid Comcast the bill to prevent throttling, and then Comcast started throttling them again anyway despite Netflix paying for it. Then NN came into effect. I understand the idea that Netflix used most of the bandwidth from the ISP so they should MAYBE have to pay some proportional amount for the amount of bandwidth used(and still maybe), but with or without payment Comcast didn't stop there and would apply that to other major sites. I can't sympathize with comcast either way, they pay pennies on the gigabyte for bandwidth from source to destination, but they charge everyone minimum $30.00 for their internet packages(unless they've raised their prices).
Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 02:04:16 am by Chronan

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#49  December 15, 2017, 04:05:09 am
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Chronan said, December 15, 2017, 02:00:41 am
Do you even browse All That's Left? You're acting like this is the first time you've seen ATL shitposting.
Have you? You should know people here do not like different opinions.

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#50  December 15, 2017, 04:33:18 am
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I've been listening to the terrible conservative takes about net neutrality, and they have some points. They're wrong overall IMO, but they have some points. This isn't the only way to regulate net neutrality. 'The free market bluh bluh' isn't a viable response because so many areas of the US have absolute garbage monopolies, but there are other ways to attack this problem, and Title II regulations may not have been the best one.

What I'm saying is: See this as an opportunity. Don't kneejerk demand the old internet protections back. Build BETTER ones. Use more appropriate mechanisms. Maybe try to actually bust up the ISP monopolies instead of regulating them to diminish their impact.

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#51  December 15, 2017, 05:07:42 am
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Let me clarify that I am pro-Net Neutrality, and that I'm not mad at anyone who thinks my opinion is garbage. I'm surprised I didn't get more shit thrown at me tbh, yes it was more than just here. I don't think the the internet should be treated as a utility.

No matter what the decision is, the real problem is the near monopoly of ISPs. Net Neutrality or not, Comcast will still be the absolute worst of corporate America. Hopefully 5G technology will really breakout soon and give them a kick in the ass, ideally to it's grave.

All the hysteria going on about it was just like... I don't even know. Gonna admit, all it did was make me cynical of the "retain" argument, even though there are some good points to be had. No "cable-izing" to consumers obviously. And that content providers should get priority over ISPs, even though they're swift to kill competition and have a far easier time doing it too.

Snakebyte said, December 15, 2017, 04:33:18 am
I've been listening to the terrible conservative takes about net neutrality, and they have some points. They're wrong overall IMO, but they have some points. This isn't the only way to regulate net neutrality. 'The free market bluh bluh' isn't a viable response because so many areas of the US have absolute garbage monopolies, but there are other ways to attack this problem, and Title II regulations may not have been the best one.

A good number of Republicans feel that some level of replacement legislation is needed in it's place, which I agree with.

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#52  December 15, 2017, 04:42:31 pm
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https://www.thewrap.com/patty-dukes-name-fraudulently-used-oppose-net-neutrality-son-mackenzie-astin-says/



The plot thickens...

On the bright side, New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman announced a multi-state lawsuit against the FCC as a result of the Net Neutrality repeal, which includes the attorneys general of Virginia, Delaware, Hawaii, California, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, Maine, Mississippi, Oregon, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Washington, Vermont and the District of Columbia, as well as lawyers from the ACLU, Facebook, and Alphabet/Google.
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#53  December 15, 2017, 04:56:39 pm
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Now's that's something you hear in campaign trails....scary stuff.

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#54  December 15, 2017, 05:04:05 pm
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Also worth noting that NYAG Schneiderman has also been involved in a 7-month investigation into fraudulent comments posted to the FCC's website much like the ones attributed to Patty Duke, an investigation which the FCC has not yet complied with, so thats another thing to add to the lawsuit most likely.

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#55  December 15, 2017, 05:25:43 pm
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Corruption on both sides....GODDAMN.

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#56  December 15, 2017, 06:29:36 pm
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Both? He was saying Schneiderman was investigating similar reports, not that he was involved in sending false comments.

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#57  December 15, 2017, 06:35:40 pm
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Jesuszilla said, December 15, 2017, 06:29:36 pm
Both? He was saying Schneiderman was investigating similar reports, not that he was involved in sending false comments.

I meant when it comes to the news this past week, hearing about the two sides. But everyone at this point knows that the FCC is in corporate pockets.

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#58  December 15, 2017, 07:18:43 pm
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#59  December 16, 2017, 07:24:26 pm
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Titiln said, December 14, 2017, 09:26:42 pm
in my case at least i never had net neutrality and i'm not living the nightmare scenario being put forth by so many. i hope isps aren't total shitheads about it in america

same here, I enjoy my 5 dollars a month "unlimited" facebook+twitter+what's app service with an extra 300 mb to browse inferior websites.

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#60  December 16, 2017, 07:49:49 pm
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