Overman King Jmorphman said, March 10, 2013, 06:15:47 amOh so they're independent from the game industry too?Did I say that? No. Are you ignoring my valid point and trying to attack me instead? Yes.Overman King Jmorphman said, March 10, 2013, 06:15:47 amI don't know why you keep bringing up Tomb Raider: The Game, because I have been talking about Tomb Raider: The Marketing Experience. As an example of the way the game industry sometimes treats women badly. That's literally it.Because, for the nth time, the marketing industry is not the gaming industry. Just like the backpack industry is not the gaming industry.Overman King Jmorphman said, March 10, 2013, 06:15:47 amYou keep using that and you should probably ease up on it, so when you encounter someone who is actually backpedaling, it will have more impact.Oh, hey, an empty retort that ignores me pointing out exactly where and how you backpedalled and why I am calling you out on it.Overman King Jmorphman said, March 10, 2013, 06:15:47 amThis whole topic is about harmful stereotypes; it's about gender stereotypes in games! What else would I possibly have been referring to?Overman King Jmorphman said, March 10, 2013, 03:05:23 amStereotypes are by definition harmful. And one doesn't really need to study anything to see that the game industry doesn't exactly have a sterling record with women (in recent years there has been the rape caves in Duke Nukem Forever, and the PR fiasco of Tomb Raider)Gender stereotypes in games are not always negative or harmful. That is what many of my posts in this topic have been about! You're wrong, I've pointed out clearly and repeatedly how you're wrong, stop squirming. I would not be talking about this if you did not begin by saying something wrong that you are trying to pretend you didn't say.Overman King Jmorphman said, March 10, 2013, 03:05:23 amSo you wanted me to say that stereotypes are not what you think stereotypes are, which isn't actually the definition of stereotypes, because stereotypes are not based on facts, but rather beliefs? OK, well have fun with all that. :|Beliefs... are typically... based... on... facts...EDIT: Ugh is it just me or am I starting to sound like hjk. Fuck it I'm out.