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Started by The Answer, March 06, 2015, 01:53:45 am
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Pick the lesser evil:

FemFreq/Kotaku/Polygon/SJWs/All things anti GG
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#GamerGate
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Re: #GamerGate
#61  March 08, 2015, 07:59:21 am
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Re: #GamerGate
#62  March 08, 2015, 08:37:13 am
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Tbh I never heard Playslaves, seeing the others is pretty common though.

Game companies are indeed filled with underhanded intentions, but since they're the providers people will not only put up with the bs, but even try to dignify it so far as long as the products are respectable (X isn't as bad as Y, that obviously means X is good). Case of not biting the hand that feeds I suppose, none too realistic to expect the general consensus to take a stand there unless they feel outright offended (which appears to happen one every blue moon at best).

It's much easier to be venomous towards groups of people who don't contribute anything of true substance to the game industry. Not as rewarding of a battle as they may believe; removing people who ultimately have little influence from the equation will have little effect on gaming as a whole.
Last Edit: March 08, 2015, 08:41:12 am by Niitris
Re: #GamerGate
#63  March 08, 2015, 08:48:27 am
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Let's put it like this.

The interest that "SJW" and people who try to censor a medium that they don't even really care about in order for it to cater to them...that interest is fleeting.  Sure in the meantime you'll find obnoxious people claiming to be gamers who instead want an interactive movie with QTEs and minimal challenge factor, and people who bitch about female characters while missing the entire point of their character and spewing misinformation to beg for donations on Kickstarter or Patreon, but they're nothing more than the new version of the edgy 14 year old who wanted every game to be "mash X to chop off heads" from the early 2000s.  10 years from now they will be gone, but you know what won't be?  Bad business decisions.  10 years ago was 2005, and even then companies were trying to get away with overpriced "expansions" and rehashing games.  The trend of shittiness only grows, with Sony making you pay to play online and Nintendo charging you 12 dollars for physical on disc DLC with Happy Meal quality figures.  It's easy to pat yourself on the back for getting unprofessional glorified bloggers fired, but when you win the war on Gawker and Polygon, what then?  Will you go back to fighting over console preference?  Will you stand up and fight the final boss instead of being content to grind with generic enemies?  This is where my criticism of Gamergate comes from, they are targeting a largely insignificant problem with their numbers/size/power, it's like swatting a bug with a rocket launcher.  If we could get that kind of movement going to tell shitty corrupt corporations to fuck off, that would be grand.

Oh and on the other hand just so that someone doesn't see my posts and think I'm some kind of Anita shill, I DO respect the genuine efforts of the silent majority in Gamergate that do work hard to shut down tabloid-tier shitholes like Kotaku.  They're out there, you just can't hear them over all the /pol/ rejects yelling and hollering and spitting their bile.

EDIT AGAIN: It may sound like I'm skirting around the issue to avoid stepping on anyone's toes, but honest to god my feelings really are this conflicted.  It's difficult for me to choose which one I find more repulsive than the other, since they're both ungodly corruptions of respectable ideals, but like Cyan said that's how all human conflict is. 
Last Edit: March 08, 2015, 09:01:30 am by Duos
Re: #GamerGate
#64  March 08, 2015, 09:34:45 am
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I'm just going to assume Meldo was trying really hard for internet coolness points and falling on his face.  Not a big deal really.

I just said it because I thought GamerGate (and this thread) is unnecessary IMO.
Re: #GamerGate
#65  March 08, 2015, 10:35:32 am
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Sony making you pay to play online.
$5 a month isn't really that big of a deal. I mean yeah, that means I can get one less Fillet O' Fish meal from McDonald's per month, but I think I can live with that*.

Nintendo charging you 12 dollars for physical on disc DLC with Happy Meal quality figures.
Yeah I feel sorry for all the Super Smash Bros players that don't get the privilege of fighting CPU players with 1.5x stat boosts in every category plus whatever equipment you burn on them that you could've used for yourself.

Or the Hyrule Warriors players that get five random items every day that they'll get anyway with regular gameplay, with the Link/Toon Link amiibo giving you a fucking shitty subweapon that isn't required and actually makes the game play like shit. (Sidenote, Hyrule Warriors wasn't even released with amiibo compatibility, it was patched in).

Or the potential Codename STEAM players that won't get to play as Fire Emblem characters in a game where President Abraham Lincoln is fighting aliens with guns.

Or the future Xenoblade Chronicles 3D players who won't get extra tokens from the Shulk amiibo, meaning that it'll take them slightly longer to unlock 3D models and music in the extras.

The only thing you MIGHT have a point about is that you unlock exclusive cosmetic outfits for One Piece: Super Grand Battle! X but I don't think it's worth crying myself to sleep over.

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EDIT: God I feel like Byakko with how many times I've edited this post
Last Edit: March 08, 2015, 11:34:40 am by Jango Hakamichi
Re: #GamerGate
#66  March 08, 2015, 02:22:18 pm
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Re: #GamerGate
#67  March 08, 2015, 03:43:19 pm
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Re: #GamerGate
#68  March 08, 2015, 04:06:12 pm
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For that matter, I really wish Gamergate would go after the real scum of the gaming industry.  Shitty journalists and "SJWs" will inevitably lose interest and/or become a vocal minority, but as long as big corporations are allowed to fuck the consumer in the ass with on disc DLC, microtransactions, DRM and other bullshit, and as long as there are fanboys willing to white knight for them, the core problem with gaming continues to exist.  I can only assume that the reason for this is because the SJW boogeyman is such an internet hate sink that people can rally against it more easily, while nobody wants to admit their favorite company might have ulterior motives (shoutouts to Sony ponies/Xbots/Nintendrones).
lol what fucking rock have you been living under. did you miss all the people complaining about the xbox one when it was revealed, to they point they had to reverse their decisions? did you miss all the times ea got called out for shitty decisions, like the latest simcity being online only? their reputation is so bad they've gotten the worst company award two years in a row. what about all the people complaining about how short the order is, to the point the developers have to defend themselves about it? all the people slamming evolve's microtransactions? the latest assassins creed game being glitchy? street fighter x tekken?

there's no (kind of) organized gamergate style effort against these things because the amount of people complaining about these things massively overwhelms the ones defending the developer
Re: #GamerGate
#69  March 08, 2015, 05:24:40 pm
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To add onto that, I believe SF X Tekken was when this problem sort of exploded into something big (i.e. about HALF the game was hidden like that, I'd understand if the characters on the disc were unfinished/glitchy but they were basically fully playable if not complete). I mean it was always a public issue but I think SF X Tekken was the largest backlash that I can remember, even beyond EA and the other stuff mentioned.

Outside of the Xbox One's hilariously bad early stipulations the Big Three (Sony, Xbox, Nintendo) have been doing mostly ok as far as anything like this goes.

There's no real need for a Gamergate against dumb corporate decisions because it happens all the time. It's arguable that it doesn't but I think when a decision goes beyond reasonably stupid it's generally scrutinized and punished routinely regardless of who defends it. I am ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that beyond the mechanics of SF X Tekken being bad, what really hurt the game was the press it got about its DLC and how it was handled. I seriously think that was a really big deathblow for it on its own, which was just amplified by how the game actually was.

If there's one thing I've seen gamers totally unite over, it's stuff like that. It doesn't really need to be organized because news gets out (even through crappy gaming news sites at the VERY least they at least signal boost dumb crap like SF X Tekken's DLC being dumb) and everyone sort of swarms it.

But are there truly grown men in this world?!
Re: #GamerGate
#70  March 08, 2015, 06:34:58 pm
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People constantly get fed up with EA but then when the results come in, it turns out people bought their shit anyway, leaving all of the outrage to fall on deaf ears. I give it 6 months before the next EA outcry happens, in which history shows will probably have little effect. With the latest Assassin's Creed titles, they had a "pretty good performance" according to Ubisoft, giving off the impression that releasing glitched-riddled software at launch has no real effect on sales under the right conditions. Gives all of those complaints less merit.

In contrast, the just as bugged Sonic Boom performed horribly and rightfully so. Though Sonic's power in the gaming market pales in comparison to AssCreed today. Likewise, SFxT actually did undersell; that was due to a combination of factors (franchise fatigue, DLC, glitches), perfect storm perhaps? Failure to take off in FGC helped and left Capcom with no way to save face. Ono acknowledging that "much had to be learned from their mistakes" indicates that the dev team and Capcom were forced to reflect and learn something from it all.

While all of them were rightfully panned, ultimately what talks is sales. If sales are in the green then all of the complaining becomes little more than hot air. As much as people may detest mobile gaming it sells, so that's what the industry will get. All I'm saying is that if these companies actually suffered any real consequences for their incompetence (like Sega did), these things would happen less often. Being a big corporation must be nice, so much room to get away with pissing off customers.

It's unlikely there'll ever be a Gamergate towards corporate incompetence for various reasons outside of situations like those being spontaneous. Even if there was, it requires tangible results to make companies think twice before making mistakes out of pride/delusion/carelessness/etc. I could be wrong in that maybe knowledgeable/hardcore gamers are a vocal minority themselves and that any backlash is merely an unwinnable battle against these corporate behemoths.
Last Edit: March 08, 2015, 08:50:33 pm by Niitris
Re: #GamerGate
#71  March 08, 2015, 08:45:25 pm
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those are companies, the big old capitalism takes care of that problem in easy steps and the idea that you would need a consumer revolt behind a hashtag to address something that ISNT being censored is laughable, it shows no common sense.

Games that put those practices in place wont be as bought as games that dont, and thus the market shifts accordingly, if there are people interested in buying them then the market shifts accordingly, the idea of consumer revolt is not to force companies to to just listen to a small core of vocal gamers.
Heck the whole thing behind gamergate is about people worried that companies are listening to a small core of vocal gamers ( or critics in this case ) that have a lot of media pull.

Ive posted those articles a while ago, and they go into detail about some of the shifts seen by companies trying to appeal to the "gamerghazi"  people.

Liana K has released a massive critic to FemFreq and the way it both hates sex and pushes more women away from gaming as well as the massive errors they make when reviewing games as one would cinema.

The articles are bellow, due to size they were cut down into segments.

http://metaleater.com/video-games/feature/why-feminist-frequency-almost-made-me-quit-writing-about-video-games-part-1
http://metaleater.com/video-games/feature/why-feminist-frequency-almost-made-me-quit-writing-about-video-games-part-2
http://metaleater.com/video-games/feature/why-feminist-frequency-almost-made-me-quit-writing-about-video-games-part-3
http://metaleater.com/video-games/feature/why-feminist-frequency-almost-made-me-quit-writing-about-video-games-part-4
http://metaleater.com/video-games/feature/why-feminist-frequency-almost-made-me-quit-writing-about-video-games-part-5


They seem relevant to the thread overall.

Re: #GamerGate
#72  March 09, 2015, 03:25:35 am
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But it is being censored, slowly but surely.  Remember when Ready At Dawn had copyright claims put on negative reviews of The Order 1886?  When Square Enix did the same thing to negative reviews of FF13?  It isn't being swept under the rug because it's not as easy to spin as Gamergate is.  All you have to do to immediately make Gamergate look like the bad guys is to twist the story so that it comes from the harassment/misogyny angle.  No sane person is going to agree with harassment or misogyny, so when the picture is distorted to someone who isn't informed, the result is obvious.  Meanwhile there is no way to make criticizing a million dollar corporation look bad on the level of harassing women.  If it were possible to make a Law and Order episode where people demanding better treatment from developers and publishers were turned into terroristic rapists, you know it would have already been done.  Rest or your post is a fair response though so I won't try to debate it.
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#73  March 09, 2015, 04:20:19 am
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Double post because relevant.

IRC logs from Reddit mods basically confirming a lot of things said by the GG camp as true have leaked.  This is going to be a wild month.
Re: #GamerGate
#74  March 09, 2015, 04:26:18 am
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what kind of stuff?
Re: #GamerGate
#75  March 09, 2015, 04:27:55 am
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I just unaddicted myself from weeks of unending Reddit discussion about Gamergate to see it crop up here.

Just... God damn it.

I try to get out and they pull me back in.
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Last Edit: March 09, 2015, 04:52:22 am by Duos
Re: #GamerGate
#77  March 09, 2015, 03:51:17 pm
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Sockpuppets? several ghazi people were caught over time posting stuff and then taking photos of stuff they posted to show abuse, even brianna wu has claimed sometimes that it was easy to enrage the "gators" by pretending to be one of them.
Most exterme sjw are probably sockpuppets too, considering the shit they say.

And lets not forget this:
https://archive.today/DSJYF

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Throughout the episode, the agents crack down on otaku and the recent  “moe” phenomenon, hinted to be synonymous with child pornography. Otaku, the episode explains, are dangerous reclusive criminals who peddle explicit cartoons. Agent Tutuola apprehends one otaku early in the episode and uncovers his harem of wives (known as “waifu”) before remarking that the man’s waifu were “shit.”
http://www.animemaru.com/new-episode-of-law-and-order-svu-focuses-on-otaku-culture/