The Mugen Fighters Guild - Random Topic V10

Jango

Re: Random Topic V10

#2541 June 21, 2017, 07:35:14 pm

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I'm not standing out. This isn't weird at all.

Sidenote: patriotism != nationalism. If we look at pure definition, patriotism is merely strongly supporting one's own country. Nowhere does it mention superiority over other countries (which the definition of "nationalist" has).

So I *think* Niitris is trying to say "patriotic" instead of "nationalist," but I could be wrong lol

Byakko

Re: Random Topic V10

#2542 June 21, 2017, 07:38:18 pm

Yeah, those are pretty much interchangeable in common use, because people don't really know the distinction in the dictionary. The French election actually saw a couple of parties try to fight over the use of either of these words with variations of context for like a week, but it didn't take, and the only one who stuck with it was the Far Right.

edit - oh hey, remember a few years back when everyone in the US would jump at the throat and make fun of anyone who dared call himself a socialist ? Yeah, that thing you're feeling now when you want to call yourself a patriot or a nationalist, that's what it was like.

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Last Edit: June 21, 2017, 08:17:35 pm by Byakko

Niitris

Re: Random Topic V10

#2543 June 21, 2017, 11:11:13 pm

I did mean Nationalism when I said that. Though more accurately it'd be "was little more than the devotion of your country and it's citizens."

The far right taking ownership of the word, combined with having it used it against them, is what gave it it's current definition amongst the mainstream. Even Trump had to attempt to distance himself from that label, saying he was both Nationalist and Globalist. which of course didn't go over well with his followers.

Last Edit: June 21, 2017, 11:14:36 pm by Niitris

Byakko

Re: Random Topic V10

#2544 June 22, 2017, 12:01:39 am

Niitris said, June 21, 2017, 11:11:13 pm

it's current definition amongst the mainstream.

Hum, the dictionary isn't "the mainstream".

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nationalism said:

5.
the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.

British Dictionary definitions for nationalism Expand
nationalism
/ˈnæʃənəˌlɪzəm; ˈnæʃnə-/
noun
1.
a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism

3.
exaggerated, passionate, or fanatical devotion to a national community See also chauvinism

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nationalist said:

2.
(initial capital letter) a member of a political group advocating or fighting for national independence, a strong national government, etc.

If you're just trying to say you simply want to protect your country, you're okay with helping in humanitarian situations, you're okay with countries helping out each other (as long as one doesn't get completely screwed), maybe you should just.... not try to call yourself a random word that you don't know the definition of. And especially don't try to blame the warped definition that you disagree with on the evil, evil mainstream media oooh.

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Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 12:11:10 am by Byakko

Niitris

Re: Random Topic V10

#2545 June 22, 2017, 12:35:00 am

There are certain types of nationalism though. Civic nationalism being the idea that pertains to an inclusive society of peoples regardless of background, and promotes acceptance of foreigners that are willing to accept the laws of the host country (most countries today). And ethnic nationalism being that only certain people can be part of the nation, and that all outsiders are lesser.

Even if the term is now mainly used to refer to the ethnic variety, that doesn't make it the only kind. That's why I mentioned mainstream usage, nothing to do with them being evil.

Byakko

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#2546 June 22, 2017, 01:02:16 am

Niitris said, June 22, 2017, 12:35:00 am

Even if the term is now mainly used to refer to the ethnic variety

You're saying "now" like it was equally both at some point and it changed recently. That's just not right. The meaning you're trying to apply to the word is the rare one, it's never really been a big thing compared to the other kind of nationalism. I mean, it only sounds like you're trying to refer to the 1840's definition of the word.
It's like how the Far Right in the US didn't like being called Nazis and decided to call themselves "alt right" because it's more PR.
That thing you want to talk about, don't call it nationalism, because that's not what nationalism is.

Edit oh, and don't get offended when you say "I think Nationalism is good" and people make weird faces at you. You should completely expect anyone to take that the wrong way when you defend nationalism like that.

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Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 01:12:59 am by Byakko

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#2547 June 22, 2017, 01:50:10 am

all is love in fair and war

in my country, the word nasionalism is seen in positive way, always has been,
I think in our languange patriotism has more to do with willingness to suffer or put oneself in danger for the sake of their country or nation linked heroism when the need arises,
while nasionalism is just a spirit to love their own country above other countries which means we don't put our assets elsewhere to avoid tax instead we would invest domestically, or for the young if they are fortunate enough to study abroad then they would come back to help to develop their own country rather than permanently living there.

Nazi turned things in negative light, just because they use the word or the symbol, especially in western world.

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Re: Random Topic V10

#2548 June 22, 2017, 02:37:50 am

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^ That's effectively the classic interpretation in the USA as well, but thinking that way now is being considered laughable and xenophobic. Even if you feel that way without a MAGA hashtag. ^

Byakko said, June 21, 2017, 07:38:18 pm

edit - oh hey, remember a few years back when everyone in the US would jump at the throat and make fun of anyone who dared call himself a socialist ? Yeah, that thing you're feeling now when you want to call yourself a patriot or a nationalist, that's what it was like.

Completely different, not even close to the same level of divisiveness that's applied today. Socialism always had mainstream media support bar Fox News which just called it communism. Patriotism even back then was starting to be widely mocked in the north-east US(and most likely west coast), as patriots were generally regarded dumb, gun toting, redneck Bush supporters with guns! Soon after popularized into memehood in the late thousands IIRC with that "'murica" shit. Patriotism hasn't been cool on any level since 2003-2004 in the US. To consider patriotic people, or people with national pride as racist/nazis/xenophobes is the same level of delusional retardation that Fox News did with socialism. So I guess you're correct on that much! And remember it's okay to punch Nazis(which has a very vague application these days)! It was never okay to punch a socialist.

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It's like how the Far Right in the US didn't like being called Nazis and decided to call themselves "alt right" because it's more PR.

And then the far left started calling the alt right "a far right movement" or "nazis" and then the mainstream everywhere adopted it! Alt right was always an anti-GOP-establishment movement, because the existing GOP never represented anyone other than business. It's also why the tea party movement got big back in the mid-late 2000s, before it was totally hijacked by religious fundamentalists and figure headed by, at that point insane Glenn Beck, which burned it to the ground. The alt right never got hijacked by Nazis, but the media, not the alt right, made Richard Spencer its figure head and thus it because a "Nazi movement", which is absurd on all levels. Then the alt right rebranded itself as the alt lite, to escape bad "nazi" media coverage, which is impossible (and stupid) because it's also full of kekistan, milo, and rebel media cringe shit at this point. Re-branding just confuses and divides your movement as well anyway, but hey at least there's no Richard Spencer or /pol/tards in the alt lite!

You'd probably still be surprised to find that most people who were supportive and involved in the alt-right support immigration, even from Mexico! Reasonable, sane, and legal immigration. Illegal immigration costs the US a cool ~$100 billion a year, which costs more every year, and has been an issue in the US since the 1970s with literally nothing done. The people who complained about illegals stealing jobs in the mid-00s were people fucked by the recession, who were reading about underpaid undocumented workers, working at or below minimum wage for a job that would normally pay more. Instead of the US media targeting those businesses who were not only fucking jobs out of blue collar workers here, but also fucking over the illegals who were working far below their pay grade. Instead they with the support of John McCain, senator, war hero, and massive fucktard, turned that story disgusting job market practice into rednecks crying about jobs that "Americans would never do anyway (at that underpaid level, but lets not put this in the story)". Then it became the big joke as it is still known today. The F-35 program is worse than the illegal immigration situation here, but it's still pretty damn bad. But pointing that out will brand you a racist these days thanks to the absurd political divide perpetuated by our media, that your media takes and retells. Even typical center-right conservatives, some times classical liberals in the US are reported "far right" even though they aren't in any capacity.

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Aldo

Re: Random Topic V10

#2549 June 22, 2017, 06:15:03 am

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#2550 June 22, 2017, 07:30:14 pm

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Niitris said, June 21, 2017, 04:47:30 am

Germany hasn't even passed their newest "remove hate speech from social media quickly" bill yet. It's gonna get worse than silly 1488 jokes sooner or later if London is anything to go by.

German government starts fucking over its citizens eve without the bill

Ricepigeon

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#2551 June 23, 2017, 08:00:00 pm

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#2552 June 26, 2017, 02:44:57 am

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Person Man

Re: Random Topic V10

#2553 June 28, 2017, 01:08:18 am

This is going to be very entertaining.

Somebody made an AI that generates inspirational quotations and it's amazing.

,mem

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#2554 June 28, 2017, 01:13:56 am

Foobs

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#2555 June 28, 2017, 01:20:14 am

90's Kawaii
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Holy shit, almost every single quote is pure gold

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Byakko

Re: Random Topic V10

#2556 June 28, 2017, 01:23:41 am

I'm actually getting almost legit ones

"Somebody has to live for tomorrow, that somebody could be you" and "a relationship is exactly like a performance act, constantly evolving" like, you can see how some combinations could be funny and then at the last minute it fucks up and picks a proper line.
And then I get "library is just another word for sinkhole" and "after the wind comes the wind" where the AI just goes off smoking pot.

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#2557 June 28, 2017, 01:28:10 am

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Last Edit: June 28, 2017, 01:29:22 am by Memes never die

Long John Killer

Re: Random Topic V10

#2558 June 28, 2017, 02:06:52 am

Proper order of things is often a mystery to me

Generate enough of those images and the site starts doing this thing about gaining sentience and changes to this whole bit about denying it's being run by insects. Funny site you found there.