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I cannot take the phrase "leecher" seriously...
#1  August 28, 2007, 05:17:44 am
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(((I posted this in two other forums, and I might as well post it here as well (with some edits). Also, it won't be in blue text unfortunately.)))


I hate how malleable the term "leecher" is. Everywhere I go, everyone has an altered meaning. Warehousing has gotten negative connotations as well, but at least *what it is* is more set in stone than "leecher". I can say "warehousers upload stuff they're not supposed to" or "warehousers makes finding characters easy" and almost everyone's fine with that, depending on point of view.

As we all know, the base definition for "leecher" is downloading characters and not "giving anything back". What *is* giving back? This is my first qualm with the term "leecher". People have different views on "giving back". Some consider it as simply as posting on a board and not sticking in the request area. Others believe it's having to make something. I've seen a couple of new guys that were kinda panicked when they basically said "I don't want to be a leecher but I don't know how to make a character". I feel kind of sorry for them, thinking it's some kind of requirement or else people will think badly of you.

I've seen a few definitions that fails to consider the "players". Many seems to think you're either a member of the community, or greedy bastards, and people that just want to play Mugen are grouped with the "greedy bastards". I once told how a few of my friends were simply "players", and someone denounced them as leechers because all they did was download and not "give back". In all honesty, not everyone can or want to hang out in forums.

I've seen a few definitions that encompasses everyone who downloads anything. Way too broad for my tastes. If that was the case, then there really doesn't need to be a term for "leeching", does it?

I've seen a few where if you download characters only *while* being an asshole in the process, you're a "leecher". Personally, I'm sticking with this one. It doesn't include the simple "players" of Mugen, and is at least more in tune with what the term is based off of than some of the definitions.

I've seen too often the "Infinity member = leecher" remarks. I'm from Infinity, but It can't quite count for me like the others because I joined Infinity and Infantry on the same day, within minutes of each other.  In any case, Infinity not being a warehouse is another rant altogether, and while I've seen a number of instances of when people defended Infinity, I've seen nothing of anyone mentioning how many different versions of "leeching" there are, hence, this rant.

I've seen a few where it somehow includes downloading from warehouses. The act of downloading from warehouses and the act of downloading from a legit site is the same (in a sense. I can't say *exactly* the same), so why get automatically branded a leecher for the simple fact that you downloaded from a warehouse? I could say I downloaded a bunch of characters thanks to a database, and I wouldn't get much, if any, leech comments. Say if I downloaded one from a warehouse, and I'd get hazed. Considering how often the "base" form of leeching is used, I don't think someone should change its definition just to insult someone. Sure, it's done in real life, but I feel it's unnecessary with the term "leech".

I've even seen ones where warehouser = leechers. The act of warehousing is very much different from the act of "leeching". Sure, some leechers are also warehousers. There could be a large number of cops that eat donuts. That doesn't mean cops = donut eaters.

Why are their so many different definitions? I mean, opinion is one thing, but the term, considering its use, should have a more refined definition. If I were to ask "what constitutes driving a car", what would you say if the responses included buses, horses, and sexual innuendo?

I once said at Infantry how the extremists who do say "GIVE BACK OR YOU'RE A LEECHER" are, in a way, leechers themselves. Think about it:

Leecher: Gimmie your stuff, you asshole!

Extremist: Give us stuff, you leecher!

So, what do we have here? Two groups that are constantly begging each other for stuff, while being dicks about it. It's just that the extremists are more organized and have more. Yes, those two were general and vague; not fully encompassing what each stands for, but there's already so much of that already.

But, anyway, I don't like how changeable the term "leecher" is, nor do I like seeing it thrown around like candy, nor do I like how *all* "leechers" are treated like scum by some people.

And I guess that's it.
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#2  August 28, 2007, 05:20:10 am
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#4  August 28, 2007, 05:23:02 am
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#7  August 28, 2007, 05:37:03 am
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Without creators there will be no new content. Also, how would you get privates if a creator never hands them out?
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#8  August 28, 2007, 05:40:14 am
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#9  August 28, 2007, 05:54:13 am
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I don't know about you but I personally don't want some stranger handling my privates thank you very much.

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#10  August 28, 2007, 06:02:49 am
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#11  August 28, 2007, 06:05:54 am
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#16  August 28, 2007, 08:53:01 am
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I find the fairest definition to be the people who not only take but whine about what they can't have. Even when the reasons for them not having it are 100% reasonable like it hasn't been FINISHED yet so the person making it hasn't released it.

Your average mugen lurker will say OK and bugger off and wait. Leechers kick up shit.

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#18  August 28, 2007, 01:20:00 pm
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So many fucking idiots here now...

LOL A PICTURE OF A LEECH CLEVER
Fuck you.

I believe a leecher is someone who only takes characters and actively opposes creators. Even though it defies logic.
No creators = NOTHING CREATED FOR MUGEN = NOTHING TO PLAY

Dumbasses.

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#19  August 28, 2007, 04:57:15 pm
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Mysterious Bob said, August 28, 2007, 01:20:00 pm
I believe a leecher is someone who only takes characters and actively opposes creators. Even though it defies logic.
No creators = NOTHING CREATED FOR MUGEN = NOTHING TO PLAY

Dumbasses.

There will still be stuff to play. It's just that if all creators left now, then 5 years passed, the "leechers" will still be trading/warehousing 5+ year old creations (provided the person doesn't hoard every character he or she finds and not trade).

Imagine a child getting their parents killed somehow for more freedom, then realize the parents actually bought them stuff. Freedom can be achieved; freedom of not having anything. Sure, you can still wear your old clothes, but soon, they become too tattered, and you grow out of them. You may steal some clothes, but don't think a successful theft will happen often. Maybe you could get a job or something, but can't because you don't know enough, and that you'll be just like your dead parents even if you managed to hold a job. Soon, you'll slowly just fade away, starving. Old food cannot sustain people for long periods of time. And on your last, dying breath, you think to yourself, with a massive regret behind it...

"WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING!?"

Then you die.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


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If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#20  August 28, 2007, 06:00:32 pm
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#23  August 29, 2007, 04:13:10 am
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You know, Panzer, for once in the few days I've been here, I can't help but agree with you, xD

I guess, in its simplest definition, I could be considered a leecher, but I think that people who aren't leechers are those who participate elsewhere in the forum, outside of the request board. I consider that "giving back," since like the many you've mentioned, I have no talent for making a character, and as a music major, I don't have the time either.

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#24  August 29, 2007, 05:41:40 am
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then you can create music ;o

I think even if you couldn't do anything at all you could still give feedback, besides you know "looks great can't wait", that's provided you can speak english or whatever the language of the author.

I believe anyone being able to give something back but doesn't fits the term, those that are only interested in playing mugen would be leeches unless they are small kids, there isn't a forum in their language or don't know about the community (ie their brother installed the game and they just play it)

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#25  August 29, 2007, 06:17:50 am
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What's wrong with just being interested in the game?
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#26  August 29, 2007, 06:27:08 am
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Wujizah Panzermanathod said, August 29, 2007, 06:17:50 am
What's wrong with just being interested in the game?

you're pretty much interested only in creations itselves (stages, chars, etc.). Without the content, MUGEN isn't a game.

I mean seriously if you first download MUGEN, you would seriously not jump up and down over Kung Fu man and a 320 x 240 default resolution. It's the content that you download that you are interested in. Not the engine.

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#27  August 29, 2007, 06:34:54 am
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aZ Cal said, August 29, 2007, 06:27:08 am
Wujizah Panzermanathod said, August 29, 2007, 06:17:50 am
What's wrong with just being interested in the game?

you're pretty much interested only in creations itselves (stages, chars, etc.). Without the content, MUGEN isn't a game.

I mean seriously if you first download MUGEN, you would seriously not jump up and down over Kung Fu man and a 320 x 240 default resolution. It's the content that you download that you are interested in. Not the engine.

Fine, fine. I know it's an engine and all, I'm just more used to referring to it as a game.

Okay, so there's an interest in getting characters. Why would you be a leecher just for that (not directing this question at anyone in particular)? That would make everyone leechers, and as I said, if everyone are leechers, then what's the point in having the term?

As an aside... why is this thread in favorites?
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#28  August 29, 2007, 09:01:43 am
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I don't consider people who download and just play without doing anything for the community leechers.

They aren't bothered if they don't have something. They probably have favourite creators but don't obsess over them.

Leechers are those that REALLY care about having EVERYTHING. Even pipe dreams. "Oh look, fake screenshot, must be character GIMME! YOU MAEK NAOW!?!?!" Then further whining when told it's fake/not finished.

And yes i feel this belongs in discussion too but i don't know who moved it.


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I hate that people say leechers too cuz I been using mugen for 5 years and what I like to do with mugen is take chars that people have made and edit them and there programs for I can make a full game for myself but just cuz I never created anything I am still called leecher. it’s not really that I can’t make anything I just never really wanted to cuz editing chars files and stuff takes along time as it is for myself. Tho I will say I respect these creators very much and I can’t even think how some of these creators make some of the stuff they do and I look up to that very much

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#31  August 29, 2007, 06:07:28 pm
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I don't consider people who download and just play without doing anything for the community leechers.

They aren't bothered if they don't have something. They probably have favourite creators but don't obsess over them.

Leechers are those that REALLY care about having EVERYTHING. Even pipe dreams. "Oh look, fake screenshot, must be character GIMME! YOU MAEK NAOW!?!?!" Then further whining when told it's fake/not finished.

And yes i feel this belongs in discussion too but i don't know who moved it.
QFT this IMO is the should be the only definition of a leecher.

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#32  August 29, 2007, 11:12:04 pm
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favorites is general discussion, general discussion is dev discussion... is not that they are much separate as it is to give dev discussion topics more shelf life.

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#33  August 29, 2007, 11:13:34 pm
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R[E]ika said, August 29, 2007, 11:12:04 pm
favorites is general discussion, general discussion is dev discussion... is not that they are much separate as it is to give dev discussion topics more shelf life.

Then why not name it as such?
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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agree, I don´t know why the admins don´t anything with this guy...

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If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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I don't get all this "leechers win" crap first off looking at this like a battle of some kind is stupid , second I've seen "leechers" say stuff like this, I don't care about the creater I just want the characters, (as a semi creater, that kinda hurts) get over it. guess what, as human beings with free will and all, they are under no obligation to respect you, deal with it. Especally when you complain the way you do. Shake it off. third, "leechers never give back" hmmm I wasn't aware that giving back was a requirement ??? ever think that maybe he wants to give back? but just can't for whatever reason; overworked, hangout w/friends, in the army? who knows.

all this argueing is insane and this is one of the many things that are driving away newbies, and potential creators away.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#41  August 31, 2007, 03:16:09 am
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Personally i see a leecher as:
some one who fills a page with there request and then dosent take the time to check back or say thank you

even the busiest of people can find time to say thank you so dont use that as an excuse

saying thank you is usually included in the things leeches do not do but this is all my personal opinon

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#42  August 31, 2007, 10:27:14 am
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I don't get all this "leechers win" crap first off looking at this like a battle of some kind is stupid , second I've seen "leechers" say stuff like this, I don't care about the creater I just want the characters, (as a semi creater, that kinda hurts) get over it. guess what, as human beings with free will and all, they are under no obligation to respect you, deal with it. Especally when you complain the way you do. Shake it off. third, "leechers never give back"

I've been "over it" for years now. It would be nice if said people just got ignored though. If they don't care about us or do anything for us, we shouldn't do anything for them. This mostly includes answering their requests. They can have the things released and be happy with it.

It is possible to instigate this sort of thinking by not giving them attention and completely ignoring anything they say. Eventually they'll change their tune or bugger off.


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#43  August 31, 2007, 11:43:32 am
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#44  August 31, 2007, 07:40:32 pm
i aint a leecher but mugen guild rocks babey
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