for example the Omega mode in USFIV introduced alot of new moves for all the characters and it was just released as a free patch. now imagine how hard it would've been to implement it had they used 2D, they would be better off making a new game.

still going nowhere.

You are not making a point, just stating things.

If you are trying to claim that 2d dev is cheaper than 3d, I dunno how you can think that with a straight face.

Uh, Omega used existing animations (or parts of existing animations) to patch up new moves. That's very doable in 2D - provided the base has enough sprites. It happens pretty often in Mugen, too, because it's literally the easiest part.

slightly relevant

*1 HOUR LONG VIDEO*
TL;DR , a lot of the "2d only" stuff can also be done in 3d, but it also requires a substantial amount of work, conference also talks about things that can't be done in 2d but can be done in 3d.

New moves made from pieces of existing animations. Probably including moves that were created during development but not implemented in the actual game until then.

Bastard Mami said, July 08, 2015, 06:22:01 pm

slightly relevant

*1 HOUR LONG VIDEO*
TL;DR , a lot of the "2d only" stuff can also be done in 3d, but it also requires a substantial amount of work, conference also talks about things that can't be done in 2d but can be done in 3d.

Does it talk about stuff that's extremely impractical but possible in 2D like alt costumes or copycat/customizable  characters, but easily doable in 3D too?

One that also lacks enough professionals out in the market that can properly animate in 2D.

slightly relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E&feature=youtu.be

TL;DR , a lot of the "2d only" stuff can also be done in 3d, but it also requires a substantial amount of work, conference also talks about things that can't be done in 2d but can be done in 3d.

I did read few more articals about this from develepers , some say 2D is easier to make and others say 3D is easier

some say 2D is easier to make and others say 3D is easier , in my opinion it depends on the person doing it, some well find 2D easeir to make while other would find it harder

walruslui said, July 12, 2015, 02:46:21 am

Ren2K said, July 12, 2015, 02:38:53 am

Capcom's always been lazy with their sprite game I don't think they've ever redrawn Morrigan despite cramming her into every crossover imaginable. They're the last company I would hold out hope for saving the HD 2D genre. That's not to say they don't have the same love of the craft as say SNK or Arc they just move a lot differently now. Plus SFV is kind of a joint venture between Capcom & Sony, Sony really wants to show off their graphics so I don't think they'd be able to make a 2D art SFV even if they wanted to.

pretty much.
If anything, if Capcom partnered with, say Arc System works, then I can see some HD 2D sprite-work for a game happening, but sadly that probably won't happen.

Yeah like Sengoku Basara X, but even that was handled almost entirely by Arc. Its a mixed bag when it comes to 2D for me now, like I love it but at the same time with modern graphics it can leave a little bit more to be desired.

some say 2D is easier to make and others say 3D is easier , in my opinion it depends on the person doing it, some well find 2D easeir to make while other would find it harder

A fighting game should always strive to be as fluid and responsive as possible. There is absolutely no reason for Street Fighter to go back to 2D sprites  and animation shortcuts now, just like there's no reason for Guilty Gear to go back to 2D sprites after Xrd. Go play 3rd Strike if you need a sprite fix.

anyways, im still convinced that bugya must have used a filter or some kind of method to convert his DMC rips into sprites

they just don't look handdrawn to me.

Basically this, the industry has moved on. But just because they went 3D doesn't mean that 2D is completely dead, and GG Xrd is a great example of that, IMO.

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Basically this, the industry has moved on. But just because they went 3D doesn't mean that 2D is completely dead, and GG Xrd is a great example of that, IMO.

the game with the most expensive and detailed 3d ever is an example that 2d is not dead?
the game that showed that 2d was so expensive that it was cheaper to do it by using 3d models and cheating the eye into thinking its 2d?

Also they could cut the number of frames instead of having 100000 frames per character like blazblue

HD remix did not look like shit.

You could cut down on the workload like KOF does by making a 3D model, animating it, and tracing over it as if it were an anime outsourced to Korea, but most people would argue that if you already made a model, it would just be easier to use that in the game.

A fighting game should always strive to be as fluid and responsive as possible.

There is absolutely no reason for Street Fighter to go back to 2D sprites  and animation shortcuts now, just like there's no reason for Guilty Gear to go back to 2D sprites after Xrd.

using actors for animation is called rotoscoping, it was used in out of this world a super nintendo game way back and it could be used to animate characters

Pessimus-Prime said, July 13, 2015, 04:28:17 am

using actors for animation is called rotoscoping, it was used in out of this world a super nintendo game way back and it could be used to animate characters

What does that have to do with the above conversation, let alone anything?

Pessimus-Prime said, July 14, 2015, 07:35:13 am

It's cheap to draw over live actors has anyone tried that?

Yeah, have you?
Because there's plenty of reasons why that's a stupid idea and why it would be extremely inconvenient to do that.

Thats the same technique used for all the flash based 2d games in like, forever. there was a whole gundam game animated like this almost ten years ago.

Its usually used in hack and slashes and other games like that, I dont see how you would do a street fighter with the quality you all expect from one with it.

HD remix did not look like shit.

Has anyone ever tried drawing over live actors? i need an answer to that question

Sorry for not reading the posts about drawing over actors i honestly didn't see them. The reason i am asking all these questions about 2D is not for capcom, but for my own 2D project i was thinking about doing through kickstarter. I was wondering the best route to making a game that looks like blazeblu but is a beat,um up with 3D bosses in the mix.  So thanks for the input about what is wrong with my ideas, but what is the best route to making a game that looks like that?

Sorry for not reading the posts about drawing over actors i honestly didn't see them. The reason i am asking all these questions about 2D is not for capcom, but for my own 2D project i was thinking about doing through kickstarter. I was wondering the best route to making a game that looks like blazeblu but is a beat,um up with 3D bosses in the mix.  So thanks for the input about what is wrong with my ideas, but what is the best route to making a game that looks like that?

what is it with you people and cats?!