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Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?
#1  June 27, 2018, 09:13:04 am
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I'd like to understand the growing contempt for any attempt to develop a P.O.T.S. based MUGEN character recently. I think the characters are pretty cool and the critique is mostly unfounded.

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#2  June 27, 2018, 09:51:03 am
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What happens a lot is that the POTS style is currently the most talked about in the Mugen community, so this unintentionally "overshadows" other styles that are already known, or others that do not gain notoriety because people are more focused on the POTS style .

PS: I do not say that the POTS style is the best, but I have a great appreciation for it because of the large number of chars that are being released in this style, allowing, for example, that I can do a Mugen full this way:



All of these ate in POTS/Divine/Inifinite style.

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#3  June 27, 2018, 11:25:00 am
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Hate is such a strong word for this, and while i do no longer download or try these type of chars.

From what i saw Is more of how poorly some of these characters in "POTS" style are made, specialy in day one with some very notable bugs or graphics issues or the "Feel" of the character while playing is off.

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#4  June 27, 2018, 01:48:32 pm
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The main problem with it is that most who attempt the style do so thinking they can pull velocities, damages, frame data etc. out of their ass. This is not correct. Phantom.of.the.Server did get actual data from the games using tools like ArtMoney (CheatEngine has since become a much more viable alternative), and frame data with Kawaks. I guarantee if hitbox viewing was possible at the time he was active, he would've done that too.

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#5  June 27, 2018, 02:14:48 pm
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Also the infinite template crap is a factor here, most of it is garbage and when its called POTS style new people to mugen seem to think every POTS char is the same which is a shame.
This is the only POTS stuff that ive tested and think its worth having, fuck  I can even remove some chars from here too

Last Edit: June 27, 2018, 02:22:59 pm by PeXXeR

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#6  June 27, 2018, 02:39:34 pm
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PeXXeR said, June 27, 2018, 02:14:48 pm
Also the infinite template crap is a factor here, most of it is garbage and when its called POTS style new people to mugen seem to think every POTS char is the same which is a shame.
This is the only POTS stuff that ive tested and think its worth having, fuck  I can even remove some chars from here too


What is the infinite template reffering to? Infinite's creations?

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#7  June 27, 2018, 03:36:55 pm
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I believe so because of the fact is that people that try to emulate the style never fully commit to it. Phantom of the Server did his homework and studied the games that the characters came from and had everything looked at, and I mean EVERYTHING.

People nowadays don't do research and rush or forget some things that make the character what they are and don't fully translate it to the style. The only thing I personally want to say is that there are only a few MUGEN authors that I truly would consider PotS style creators/successors and I say this because of the basic thing of DOING RESEARCH AND UPDATE WHENEVER THINGS AREN'T RIGHT. There is just too many creators that rely on that fame that style brings about and don't try to make the character shine in what they do from the source game.
Last Edit: June 27, 2018, 05:28:13 pm by R565

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#8  June 27, 2018, 04:23:26 pm
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Why is any kind of hate justified? What if people just do things for fun, not be associated with... "IF you do this, it must be to this standard as mandated" It created an elitist mentality, and basically ruined the "for fun" aspect. There is a difference between those whom do it for fun & those for the actual coding etc. It then basically turned to people bragging about being better at copying data from source material to then claim as their own creation. All characters derived from source material are edits. The real issue.. The people that actually know the stuff, with exception, will sooner insult you than help you. Or you could call it tough love of sorts? It's usually, "you are wrong idiot that's not how you do it", than, "The issue is here, I see what you were trying to do, try this". It created that stigma, that fear to like it publicly, fearing backlash, you can see it if you really read users comments & well you made this post so its proof of that. It's not as much a style thing as it was for consistency. Those guys aren't trying to be popular I don't think. It felt the closet thing to a real game aka less salty bet. Most people genuinely just wanted to share & connect with others, like interests. Anyone who is releasing anything is thinking of others. Just do whatever you want, however you want.

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#9  June 27, 2018, 04:49:45 pm
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why do you all care if people dislike the style. who cares if other people like it or not, what other people think isn't up to you or anyone else, if they don't like it, cool. it's not being a "hater" for the sake of it, people just don't like it and that's okay.

 if you do, good for you. it's the exact same way for any other "style" such as KOF or MVC or whatever. why do you have to ask about it being for POTS specifically?

whether or not its justified doesnt matter because at the end of the day its up to your own opinion. the fact people have to "ask" if its justified is pretty seriously silly as hell

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#10  June 27, 2018, 05:08:59 pm
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True, it goes both ways it seems; The creators can put effort in their creations and get help from others and they don't have to have that elitist ideal. It's just if you're going to make something, at least have some resemblance of the character (aside from a few exceptions like OC's and super custom fighters) and make sure you get any help you can because I have seen many times that people won't release something because people being super critical.

It really is a clash of mentalities and people have that like-mindedness to get with those that think like them whether right or wrong. PotS style had that thing of being this cool style that brought out some things that never been seen before, and i'm grateful for that, i'm grateful for anyone that releases anything at this day and age because we kinda backed ourselves into a corner with all of this elitist mumbo jumbo. I just don't like it when someone who knows how to code and create stuff, makes something bad and just doesn't listen to feedback, and at the same time the people making the feedback are just mean and makes people lose all motivation.

At the end of the day, both sides of the coin needs to build each other up and show each other why they should make that effort to make that effort. Now that I type all of this, this thread seems super silly in the first place and it never should have been made, and Walruslui is right because they have been though a lot of this mess over and over again.
Last Edit: June 27, 2018, 05:27:35 pm by R565

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#11  June 27, 2018, 05:19:17 pm
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Oh my god, people, SPLIT YOUR SHIT INTO PARAGRAPHS.

R565

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#12  June 27, 2018, 05:27:04 pm
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Jesuszilla said, June 27, 2018, 05:19:17 pm
Oh my god, people, SPLIT YOUR SHIT INTO PARAGRAPHS.

Sorry JZ.

Edit: Better? I keep forgetting that people will read this stuff, and if it's bunched up like that, it will cause eye strain.

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#13  June 27, 2018, 05:30:45 pm
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#14  June 27, 2018, 05:41:44 pm
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#15  June 27, 2018, 09:26:34 pm
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All things that become too popular tend to attract hoardes of people that only appreciate it on a superficial level and mediocre copycats. POTS style is a victim of its own success.

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#16  June 27, 2018, 10:17:11 pm
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Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... said, June 27, 2018, 09:26:34 pm
All things that become too popular tend to attract hoardes of people that only appreciate it on a superficial level and mediocre copycats. POTS style is a victim of its own success.

This all the way, even though I do love the style, the fans almost killed it and some of the people that tried to emulate it didn't realize how much work it took.

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#17  June 27, 2018, 10:45:39 pm
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;x said, June 27, 2018, 04:23:26 pm
What if people just do things for fun, not be associated with... "IF you do this, it must be to this standard as mandated"
If someone claims something is in a particular style, you'd expect it to be in that style.
Otherwise, it's not in that style.

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Oh, I want a diagram. I fucking love diagrams.

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#18  June 28, 2018, 01:27:02 am
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It's strange.  When Infinite made Deadpool, no one minded that he didn't have MvC3 gameplay; but then when he made Dr. Doom, everyone suddenly minded.  Like make up your mind, people; it's his style (and also never claimed to be anything but his style), and it's still high quality and not broken.  If the only issue is that he plays nothing like in MvC3, then you're free to fix that issue; in fact, you've been free to fix that issue for years now, and yet no one even now has stepped up to make an MvC3 Doom out of him.

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#19  June 28, 2018, 02:02:33 am
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this thread seemed very pointless and walruslui is right on point. I don't know what's the big hate towards a certain system. If you don't like the POTs style system, then don't use it, end of story. Don't make such a big fuss about a certain style.
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#20  June 28, 2018, 03:16:40 am
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In terms of POTS style there are some creators that actually pulled it off to the tee and others...not so much. To me it's just another fun way to fight in mugen.
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