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SolWarrior

Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#1 June 27, 2018, 09:13:04 am

Bad Apple.

I'd like to understand the growing contempt for any attempt to develop a P.O.T.S. based MUGEN character recently. I think the characters are pretty cool and the critique is mostly unfounded.

Akito

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#2 June 27, 2018, 09:51:03 am

Osu!
Dragon Destiny Project
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What happens a lot is that the POTS style is currently the most talked about in the Mugen community, so this unintentionally "overshadows" other styles that are already known, or others that do not gain notoriety because people are more focused on the POTS style .

PS: I do not say that the POTS style is the best, but I have a great appreciation for it because of the large number of chars that are being released in this style, allowing, for example, that I can do a Mugen full this way:

All of these ate in POTS/Divine/Inifinite style.

Ex☆Cham

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#3 June 27, 2018, 11:25:00 am

✭HUE HUE HUE✭

Hate is such a strong word for this, and while i do no longer download or try these type of chars.

From what i saw Is more of how poorly some of these characters in "POTS" style are made, specialy in day one with some very notable bugs or graphics issues or the "Feel" of the character while playing is off.

|DeviantArt| |Youtube|

Jesuszilla

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#4 June 27, 2018, 01:48:32 pm

Loyal to the Game

The main problem with it is that most who attempt the style do so thinking they can pull velocities, damages, frame data etc. out of their ass. This is not correct. Phantom.of.the.Server did get actual data from the games using tools like ArtMoney (CheatEngine has since become a much more viable alternative), and frame data with Kawaks. I guarantee if hitbox viewing was possible at the time he was active, he would've done that too.

PeXXeR

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#5 June 27, 2018, 02:14:48 pm

Also the infinite template crap is a factor here, most of it is garbage and when its called POTS style new people to mugen seem to think every POTS char is the same which is a shame.
This is the only POTS stuff that ive tested and think its worth having, fuck I can even remove some chars from here too

Last Edit: June 27, 2018, 02:22:59 pm by PeXXeR

SolWarrior

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#6 June 27, 2018, 02:39:34 pm

Bad Apple.

PeXXeR said, June 27, 2018, 02:14:48 pm

Also the infinite template crap is a factor here, most of it is garbage and when its called POTS style new people to mugen seem to think every POTS char is the same which is a shame.
This is the only POTS stuff that ive tested and think its worth having, fuck I can even remove some chars from here too

What is the infinite template reffering to? Infinite's creations?

R565

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#7 June 27, 2018, 03:36:55 pm

Oh look, I changed this thing.

I believe so because of the fact is that people that try to emulate the style never fully commit to it. Phantom of the Server did his homework and studied the games that the characters came from and had everything looked at, and I mean EVERYTHING.

People nowadays don't do research and rush or forget some things that make the character what they are and don't fully translate it to the style. The only thing I personally want to say is that there are only a few MUGEN authors that I truly would consider PotS style creators/successors and I say this because of the basic thing of DOING RESEARCH AND UPDATE WHENEVER THINGS AREN'T RIGHT. There is just too many creators that rely on that fame that style brings about and don't try to make the character shine in what they do from the source game.

Last Edit: June 27, 2018, 05:28:13 pm by R565

2Dee4ever

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#8 June 27, 2018, 04:23:26 pm

Why is any kind of hate justified? What if people just do things for fun, not be associated with... "IF you do this, it must be to this standard as mandated" It created an elitist mentality, and basically ruined the "for fun" aspect. There is a difference between those whom do it for fun & those for the actual coding etc. It then basically turned to people bragging about being better at copying data from source material to then claim as their own creation. All characters derived from source material are edits. The real issue.. The people that actually know the stuff, with exception, will sooner insult you than help you. Or you could call it tough love of sorts? It's usually, "you are wrong idiot that's not how you do it", than, "The issue is here, I see what you were trying to do, try this". It created that stigma, that fear to like it publicly, fearing backlash, you can see it if you really read users comments & well you made this post so its proof of that. It's not as much a style thing as it was for consistency. Those guys aren't trying to be popular I don't think. It felt the closet thing to a real game aka less salty bet. Most people genuinely just wanted to share & connect with others, like interests. Anyone who is releasing anything is thinking of others. Just do whatever you want, however you want.

lui

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#9 June 27, 2018, 04:49:45 pm

why do you all care if people dislike the style. who cares if other people like it or not, what other people think isn't up to you or anyone else, if they don't like it, cool. it's not being a "hater" for the sake of it, people just don't like it and that's okay.

if you do, good for you. it's the exact same way for any other "style" such as KOF or MVC or whatever. why do you have to ask about it being for POTS specifically?

whether or not its justified doesnt matter because at the end of the day its up to your own opinion. the fact people have to "ask" if its justified is pretty seriously silly as hell

R565

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#10 June 27, 2018, 05:08:59 pm

Oh look, I changed this thing.

True, it goes both ways it seems; The creators can put effort in their creations and get help from others and they don't have to have that elitist ideal. It's just if you're going to make something, at least have some resemblance of the character (aside from a few exceptions like OC's and super custom fighters) and make sure you get any help you can because I have seen many times that people won't release something because people being super critical.

It really is a clash of mentalities and people have that like-mindedness to get with those that think like them whether right or wrong. PotS style had that thing of being this cool style that brought out some things that never been seen before, and i'm grateful for that, i'm grateful for anyone that releases anything at this day and age because we kinda backed ourselves into a corner with all of this elitist mumbo jumbo. I just don't like it when someone who knows how to code and create stuff, makes something bad and just doesn't listen to feedback, and at the same time the people making the feedback are just mean and makes people lose all motivation.

At the end of the day, both sides of the coin needs to build each other up and show each other why they should make that effort to make that effort. Now that I type all of this, this thread seems super silly in the first place and it never should have been made, and Walruslui is right because they have been though a lot of this mess over and over again.

Last Edit: June 27, 2018, 05:27:35 pm by R565

Jesuszilla

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#11 June 27, 2018, 05:19:17 pm

Loyal to the Game

Oh my god, people, SPLIT YOUR SHIT INTO PARAGRAPHS.

R565

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#12 June 27, 2018, 05:27:04 pm

Oh look, I changed this thing.

Jesuszilla said, June 27, 2018, 05:19:17 pm

Oh my god, people, SPLIT YOUR SHIT INTO PARAGRAPHS.

Sorry JZ.

Edit: Better? I keep forgetting that people will read this stuff, and if it's bunched up like that, it will cause eye strain.

PeXXeR

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#13 June 27, 2018, 05:30:45 pm

;x said, June 27, 2018, 04:23:26 pm

All characters derived from source material are edits

lmao

Jesuszilla

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#14 June 27, 2018, 05:41:44 pm

Loyal to the Game

R565 said, June 27, 2018, 05:27:04 pm

Jesuszilla said, June 27, 2018, 05:19:17 pm
Oh my god, people, SPLIT YOUR SHIT INTO PARAGRAPHS.

Sorry JZ.

Edit: Better? I keep forgetting that people will read this stuff, and if it's bunched up like that, it will cause eye strain.

Much! Thank you!

Foobs

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#15 June 27, 2018, 09:26:34 pm

90's Kawaii
:thinking:

All things that become too popular tend to attract hoardes of people that only appreciate it on a superficial level and mediocre copycats. POTS style is a victim of its own success.

R565

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#16 June 27, 2018, 10:17:11 pm

Oh look, I changed this thing.

Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... said, June 27, 2018, 09:26:34 pm

All things that become too popular tend to attract hoardes of people that only appreciate it on a superficial level and mediocre copycats. POTS style is a victim of its own success.

This all the way, even though I do love the style, the fans almost killed it and some of the people that tried to emulate it didn't realize how much work it took.

PlasmoidThunder

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#17 June 27, 2018, 10:45:39 pm

Resident Tosspot
Pftheh

;x said, June 27, 2018, 04:23:26 pm

What if people just do things for fun, not be associated with... "IF you do this, it must be to this standard as mandated"

If someone claims something is in a particular style, you'd expect it to be in that style.
Otherwise, it's not in that style.

Iced said, July 24, 2013, 01:25:14 am

Oh, I want a diagram. I fucking love diagrams.

Baby Bonnie Hood

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#18 June 28, 2018, 01:27:02 am

Cute Bounty Hunter

It's strange. When Infinite made Deadpool, no one minded that he didn't have MvC3 gameplay; but then when he made Dr. Doom, everyone suddenly minded. Like make up your mind, people; it's his style (and also never claimed to be anything but his style), and it's still high quality and not broken. If the only issue is that he plays nothing like in MvC3, then you're free to fix that issue; in fact, you've been free to fix that issue for years now, and yet no one even now has stepped up to make an MvC3 Doom out of him.

Check out my MvC3-style characters!

DarkWolf13

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#19 June 28, 2018, 02:02:33 am

Vs Style Debuts Tag Project CEO
The Dark Wolf Returns

this thread seemed very pointless and walruslui is right on point. I don't know what's the big hate towards a certain system. If you don't like the POTs style system, then don't use it, end of story. Don't make such a big fuss about a certain style.

Beware the Dark Wolf once more!

Flowrellik

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#20 June 28, 2018, 03:16:40 am

Raging Fist

In terms of POTS style there are some creators that actually pulled it off to the tee and others...not so much. To me it's just another fun way to fight in mugen.

Jmorphman

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#21 June 28, 2018, 03:25:14 am

If you’re gonna reach for a star...
reach for the lowest one you can.

I've been making characters for like, eight years or so, and I've seen the same tired arguments about how overused and terrible PotS style is for a good seven (or more?) of those years. So I can't exactly call any of this "recent".

Nor can I say that it is justified; PotS style is no different or inherently worse than any of the other gameplay styles that preceded PotS style's rise in popularity (e.g., MVC2, DBZ, et. al.) which were trendy to rag on.

2Dee4ever

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#22 June 28, 2018, 04:12:40 am

PlasmoidThunder said, June 27, 2018, 10:45:39 pm

;x said, June 27, 2018, 04:23:26 pm
What if people just do things for fun, not be associated with... "IF you do this, it must be to this standard as mandated"
If someone claims something is in a particular style, you'd expect it to be in that style.
Otherwise, it's not in that style.

Well I more so am talking about what BBhood is saying. You don't even have to say it is that, someone would come along and say "This is nothing like how I remember it". As if we had to make things resemble any kind of source. We lost that freedom to be creative as the expectation got so overwhelming, that following standard or making mistakes, yes made people not want to do it. Then you have people outright suggesting "if you can't do it right, don't do it at all. "Jmorphman is the only one capable of doing it right" and various other discouraging things. Those guys that did custom variations to things lol oh man did they get hell for that.

Baby Bonnie Hood said, June 28, 2018, 01:27:02 am

It's strange. When Infinite made Deadpool, no one minded that he didn't have MvC3 gameplay; but then when he made Dr. Doom, everyone suddenly minded. Like make up your mind, people; it's his style (and also never claimed to be anything but his style), and it's still high quality and not broken. If the only issue is that he plays nothing like in MvC3, then you're free to fix that issue; in fact, you've been free to fix that issue for years now, and yet no one even now has stepped up to make an MvC3 Doom out of him.

This! Literally. Anyone could have at any point just said.. I'll just do it my way, rather than picking apart something else that didn't come out how "they" would have liked to see it. Man the fun in this were those conversations. "So how would you go about that", "I'd like to see your version of this" and so and so. People suggesting ideas of this and that, "Oh that move would be cool to implement, try it this way". I've learned over the years, talking to various crowds that all we have is us. No one else understands this stuff or cares for that matter. No one else is as nerdy, though we show it in different ways. As funny as it sounds, the world outside of these walls can't ever take this as seriously as we have, so to me, it has always been a fight against ourselves. Whether you associate with that us, is completely up to you, but I've recently been seeing everyone everywhere so the interest is definitely still there.

k6666orochi

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#23 June 28, 2018, 05:34:15 am

I do not understand that this is not supposed to be the mugen that is a hobby and that it does not become an obligation, where we can use our creativity to do new things and not always have to be exactly as in the original game, I really like the idea that there are different styles and that they can be used to create more chars with those styles because at least there is a certain balance in the characters that we use in our personal mugen, or that if we do not continue to exploit the background of kof 02um and is it seen in every chars that exists ?, or the characters that are so heavy because they fill them with xplods? or the chars that have AIs more unfair than those of a commercial game?
Some things may be annoying because we think they are using them too much but it is something that many like to use I do not think there is a rule that limits the use of X style, number of explods in a char or difficulty of the AI but who are we to criticize that if the vast majority of us started doing simple things, seeing how they were the jobs of others and reading the odd tutorial to learn how to do what we did not understand well.
PD: Sorry that the message is something long and some seems confusing but I hurry a bit to write it and use the Google translator (my English is not very good xD)

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PeXXeR

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#24 June 28, 2018, 09:37:16 am

;x said, June 28, 2018, 04:12:40 am

PlasmoidThunder said, June 27, 2018, 10:45:39 pm
;x said, June 27, 2018, 04:23:26 pm
What if people just do things for fun, not be associated with... "IF you do this, it must be to this standard as mandated"
If someone claims something is in a particular style, you'd expect it to be in that style.
Otherwise, it's not in that style.

Well I more so am talking about what BBhood is saying. You don't even have to say it is that, someone would come along and say "This is nothing like how I remember it". As if we had to make things resemble any kind of source. We lost that freedom to be creative as the expectation got so overwhelming, that following standard or making mistakes, yes made people not want to do it. Then you have people outright suggesting "if you can't do it right, don't do it at all. "Jmorphman is the only one capable of doing it right" and various other discouraging things. Those guys that did custom variations to things lol oh man did they get hell for that.

No one got hell for doing custom stuff at all, most of the "hell" you speak off is your experience and its well deserved in your case.
I've seen multiple chars released that have nothing to do with source or any of the mugen systems that are super fun and recieved great feedback.

Do not apply your own experience to every single creator in the site.

2Dee4ever

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#25 June 28, 2018, 09:46:47 am

Did you even read what BBH said. You are the only one in this thread whom is salty. You are still trying to get a response after the failed "lmao". Everyone here has seen it & for you to agree that any hate is "well deserved" shows your character. You are a grown ass man worried about another man. Get over it. It's been like 4 years and you still holding on. No one else here is directing anything towards a single individual and I've had arguments with many of them here whom were mature enough to see the bigger picture because you had something to get off your chest.

PeXXeR

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#26 June 28, 2018, 09:57:04 am

Im not salty for anything, you are claiming people get shit for doing custom stuff which is not the case and yeah its funny as hell.
Rei:
Those guys that did custom variations to things lol oh man did they get hell for that.
Its responses like that is why you're considered as a meme bro.

Pointing out a flaw in your argument makes me salty sure whatever.
Stop taking everything personally no one's after your head or anything, if you just said( yeah you have a point bro) and left it at that instead of responding like you did I would have not said anything after it.

Last Edit: June 28, 2018, 10:37:11 am by PeXXeR

Cyanide

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#27 June 28, 2018, 09:59:29 am

Legendary XIII
I am the eye of the storm to come!

Same with the dislike of anything when you claim x-style and it isn't that at all. If you are going to say something is pots style thats more than cvs2 sparks. Don't want to do the whole thing? Not a problem. It's your character but don't pass it off as something it's not.

Don't say mvc style when all you have is a mashy combo system and super jump. Don't say cvs2 if all you have is sprites. Custom is ALWAYS an option. It should be used more often if you aren't adhering to the source. Doesn't need to be total adherence but needs to be more than what we often get.

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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.

2Dee4ever

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#28 June 28, 2018, 10:43:25 am

PeXXeR said, June 28, 2018, 09:57:04 am

Im not salty for anything, you are claiming people get shit for doing custom stuff which is not the case and yeah its funny as hell.
Rei:
Those guys that did custom variations to things lol oh man did they get hell for that.
Its responses like that is why you're considered as a meme bro.

Pointing out a flaw in your argument makes me salty sure whatever.

Nobody has energy for this anymore. You aren't even saying anything contributing to the topic. You are picking apart what I say"specifically?", not reading the whole context, trying to instigate, telling me I'm a meme. What is this contributing to? Do you feel better about yourself? Feel as though you are putting me in my place? Because you love to see people rag on me? You are too worried about another man on the internet. The evidence is there. This isn't about me, yet you are trying to point out flaws in what I say? Do you have nothing better to do? Its seriously grasping at straws at this point.

PeXXeR

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#29 June 28, 2018, 10:53:35 am

Im not trying to put you"in your place" or anything I don't care about that stuff, I dont know why you're taking stuff personally, all I am saying is just what you're saying is not the case if any other member posted what you did I would have said the same thing, I dont give two shits who said it. Its just my 2 cents on the matter. You're making out the guild the be a bad place for people to release stuff which again is not the case. You can be creative, YOU CAN release what you want, but when you label stuff as POTS style people will be expecting the system to be same or close to it. Label your stuff as something else or custom or your own style no one's gonna say anything about it.

Edit. SolWarrior I have nothing against Infinite or his creations.

Last Edit: June 28, 2018, 11:03:26 am by PeXXeR

Baby Bonnie Hood

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#30 June 28, 2018, 11:59:16 am

Cute Bounty Hunter

I think what's trying to be said in all that back-and-forth up there is this: You can make your character in whatever style you want, just as long as you do it well. It sounds like someone's creation skills aren't quite up to par and they're playing the "MUH UNIQUE STYLE" card to excuse it.

Check out my MvC3-style characters!

2Dee4ever

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#31 June 28, 2018, 12:09:13 pm

This is getting off topic so I’ll spoiler it. For those that don’t read it, the conclusion to this topic has already been settled, do what you want, however you want it. Someone already said it best, anything that gets popular will get some hate. Also what you just said ^ as long as you do t right according to others standards, you’ll be good.

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If you don’t care? Why make a note of it? Hey so.. You point me out directly and tell me I am taking it personally? Please, explain the logic? This is the type of thing I remember people doing a lot. Read the post I quoted, because you don’t see it plain as day as someone giving another example. Then someone else posting a response, then it being explained. Do you really have to go back to every post of someone posting a character “with no style title” and the same thing happening. Look at your history. You’ve been around for a while, we’ve all seen it. If it weren’t true, this topic wouldn’t exist, nor would any of the responses of people saying they’ve had experience with it. You have to look at these things with “no bias”.

Because you have a problem with an individual, it doesn’t make any type of negativity towards them justified. If you get enough of people to agree on one thing, it doesn’t make it right. I’m not pointing a finger at any individual. This has happened to many people. Things are in the current state they are now because of meaningless bs and pride. People can’t even talk as men without having an argument. Have to worry about someone documenting everything you say, to bring it up at a later date? Over analyze everything you say to find faults? Make smug remarks? Slander? Propaganda? This is all real and has happened. Yes, myself, I’ve had someone make a whole video trying to find dirt on me, make a nerdy black avatar as if it were a joke. Have guys blatantly spread false information, lie about things said in private the list goes on. Then if you get defensive, brush it off as “have thicker skin”. Like 0 considerations for people’s feelings and does it ever have to get to that level over a “hobby”?

Things would get 0-100 real quick. Notice I’ve been speaking in past tense, because no one cares now. Look how many online users there are compared to guests. “Oh you said this and that 4 years ago, I hate you” Petty. I don’t dislike or hate anyone as that isn’t my prerogative. Consistently worrying about what another man is doing is just.. You can’t honestly be in denial that none of it has ever happened because it didn’t happen to you, or anyone you care about. Because you didn’t like so and so it was okay. That was in the past, it doesn’t have to continue to be that way. We killed our community and we all should take responsibility together. Keep fighting against each other for what? Being different? Thinking differently? Being a slow learner? Not having the same knowledge? Agree to disagree and move on, not forcefully try to make someone understand why they are wrong because their opinion differs from your own. If you really want, go back and read that stuff with a clear head, if you still think it’s okay, I question your morals. We focus on the wrong things which is why topics like these exsist in the first place.

Foobs

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#32 June 28, 2018, 03:41:46 pm

90's Kawaii
:thinking:

Jmorphman said, June 28, 2018, 03:25:14 am

Nor can I say that it is justified; PotS style is no different or inherently worse than any of the other gameplay styles that preceded PotS style's rise in popularity (e.g., MVC2, DBZ, et. al.) which were trendy to rag on.

It wasn't just trendy to bash them just because those characters were popular, to was trendy to bash them because those characters were complete shit like 95%~99% of the time.

The "Brazilian MvC estilo" meme might be be dead, but many of us still remember when the bulk of MvC releases were either Kong's or based on the MvC EoH template. Decent DBZ characters that didn't come from...uh, what's his name? the Japanese guy who made a bunch of DBZ characters and the RE bonus game, before TeamZ2 were almost completely unheard of.

DW

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#33 June 28, 2018, 04:31:41 pm

That would be Choujin sir.

So, in terms of someone not liking something; For the most part it just comes down to preference. I more believe that the so called "hate" is directed to the specific author, not so much the style. Several authors who try to make P.o.t.S style chars do it to be "famous". They get salty when they don't win awards, or get feedback other than "Awesome Supah Char Bruh!!". They're too busy trying to get Youtube views, or people joining their Discord/Facebook, or w/e else in that regard.

They have really high egos and superiority complexes. It's under the guise of trying to build a community. Though really all they want is a bunch of "yes" men to stroke their ego. Unfortunately those are the more vocal, so those who are actually just trying to make chars for fun and assist with making that dream roster, are often times guilt by indirect association. People in this community don't like authors that are not receptive to feedback.

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AMultiverseAuthor

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#34 June 28, 2018, 04:41:24 pm

.....

I simply like POTS style characters because they're all around fun to play.

Though I don't consider it the best thing ever. For the most part, I like using characters that implement most forms of Custom gameplay like the ones made by Buckus, Kohaku, RoySquadRocks, and XCB (Tetsu comes to mind)

R565

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#35 June 28, 2018, 04:50:28 pm

Oh look, I changed this thing.

DW summed up what I don't like in general. People that use the name to get famous and don't really make an effort to make the style work, and making people stroke their precious ego just to make them feel good and whole.

BurningSoul

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#36 June 28, 2018, 05:14:44 pm

Pixels are atom's of resolution,Low-res or Hi-res

My problem isnt with Pots style but Infinite's take on it with chains and air combos,I mean if character has it in original game like mahvel sure fine,but power charge and chains as well as air combo at same time feels wrong to me,not hate opinion,tho I see why people hate on it,after tragedy I have seen from krunkests spriteswapped genjuro ,but most important how many pots threads are there really can't we just end this?
its not just pots style tho,seen that Choujin based Extreme Butoden op tras?h,that isnt even close to 5th percent of original character? yup,problem isnt based on style but rather how much indiviual cares about doing it in a way that everyone likes

Last Edit: June 28, 2018, 05:21:08 pm by mete122

Prime SC

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#37 June 28, 2018, 07:01:11 pm

Niigasan

Anddd that's the problem, everyone likes what jmorph, divine and their copycats do. Which is, make chars with the strict timings and put limits on them, "accurate". But when people (me, falcon, infinite, r@ce) try something new/different like give the chars more comboability it isn't as well received.

No knock on what they do but I for one hate strict timings and limits on these chars especially because nowadays most fighting games have a more free or loose combo system. But to each their own. Hell I even tried ts with juri make her "accurate" but no dice. it is what it is.

BurningSoul

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#38 June 28, 2018, 07:16:03 pm

Pixels are atom's of resolution,Low-res or Hi-res

comboability is nice but a way to do it without pasting chains everywhere around the char would be better since char itself can be considered stiff when you remove that chains,air combos etc

SolWarrior

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#39 June 28, 2018, 11:15:11 pm

Bad Apple.

Basically legitimate pots style is getting bad rep because people don't know how to code them and claim its pots.

Jesuszilla

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#40 June 28, 2018, 11:20:16 pm

Loyal to the Game

Precisely. Pretty funny how those who are saying "you shouldn't hate on this" in this thread are the exact same ones that contributed to the problem in the first place.

Memo

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#41 June 28, 2018, 11:26:02 pm

Estoy siempre listo para un desafío.

This fucking topic comes up every season lol let It die already.
Theres gonna be legit creations and shitty creations no matter
what style it is. Just enjoy life

Baby Bonnie Hood

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#42 June 29, 2018, 12:26:53 am

Cute Bounty Hunter

mete122 said, June 28, 2018, 05:14:44 pm

Infinite's take on it with chains and air combos

You know what's odd? Even though their readme and config files say that they're on by default, chain combos for Deadpool and Dr. Doom are actually off by default out of the box. Maybe they were on by default initially, but apparently Infinite changed his mind in later updates.

Make of that what you will.

Check out my MvC3-style characters!

BurningSoul

Re: Is P.O.T.S. style hate justified?

#43 June 29, 2018, 02:08:27 am

Pixels are atom's of resolution,Low-res or Hi-res

I was trying to bring subject to Race actually but lets not and just end the thread

Dumanios

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#44 June 29, 2018, 02:25:36 am

The problem isn't the style, it's with authors.

Jmorphman

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#45 June 29, 2018, 04:41:52 am

If you’re gonna reach for a star...
reach for the lowest one you can.

Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... said, June 28, 2018, 03:41:46 pm

It wasn't just trendy to bash them just because those characters were popular, to was trendy to bash them because those characters were complete shit like 95%~99% of the time.

The "Brazilian MvC estilo" meme might be be dead, but many of us still remember when the bulk of MvC releases were either Kong's or based on the MvC EoH template. Decent DBZ characters that didn't come from...uh, what's his name? the Japanese guy who made a bunch of DBZ characters and the RE bonus game, before TeamZ2 were almost completely unheard of.

I didn't want to get too PotS fanboy-y in my first post, but now I can't resist: the reason I can never take any of the complaints about PotS style seriously is that no matter what, the base gameplay of characters in this style is going to be relatively solid, because the system it's all built on is solid. You can't say the same for the rest of those styles! Even if you screw up a bunch of stuff (not to point fingers—after all, when I started out, I screwed up a shit ton of stuff!), unless you're like, intentionally breaking the existing system stuff, all the non-character specific things should work relatively well!

In any event, regardless of the gameplay style, some people just get too damn worked up over characters that they perceive are bad. It's totally valid to feel that way, but at the same time, it doesn't give you carte blance to flip your shit over every character you think is complete trash. This is all for some dumb, outdated, buggy fighting game engine that's almost old enough to buy alcohol. Who has time for this shit? Just leave feedback like a normal person and don't make a big deal out of stuff like this!

R565

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#46 June 29, 2018, 05:53:20 am

Oh look, I changed this thing.

And with that, we can end this thread....

See you guys in a few months!

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