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#1  January 27, 2015, 12:19:35 am
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How do I delete my account on this forum? 
I've been through the settings and the option doesn't even seem to exist. 
Re: How do I delete my account?
#2  January 27, 2015, 12:29:03 am
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you can't, just log off
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#3  January 27, 2015, 12:30:47 am
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No wonder this place has 62,239 members.
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#4  January 27, 2015, 12:32:03 am
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so did you ever finish that list of person mans stuff :/
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#5  January 27, 2015, 12:46:25 pm
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What was/is your purpose here anyway?

If it was/is pertaining to Mugen, try to follow that.
If you don't have it anymore and you're here to start drama don't come back. As simple as that.

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Greetings mugen people, it's been a little while, but I'm looking forward enjoying some more of all of your fine work, and sharing some more of my own.  Happy mugenings!
What happened to that?

What would you gain from deleting your account? Do you want to start again with another account to have "privacy" (even though you're not showing your personal identity)?
So what if this forum has 62,239 members? Why do you care about it? Do you think 90% of that should be deleted because inactive?

Also, what Umezono said. Did you finish that list? You were so eager to finish it and prove to all of us that Person Man is a terrible mod, perhaps you forgot about that.
Last Edit: January 27, 2015, 05:44:07 pm by Alex Sinigaglia
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#6  January 27, 2015, 02:33:21 pm
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Let it go, guys.  If he's got something to say he can say it, but there's no need to egg things on again.

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#7  January 27, 2015, 02:34:35 pm
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How do I delete my account on this forum? 
I've been through the settings and the option doesn't even seem to exist.

Put in a petition. #FreeUsFromMFG

We leave the cage door open here, so the bird can always return...

No wonder this place has 62,239 members.

Relevance?

Do you want to start again with another account to have "privacy" (even though you're not showing your personal identity)?

You know too much... You must be silenced. :ninja:

What if this forum has 62,239 members?

Huh...? I pretty sure you're missing a word here. *So*
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#8  January 27, 2015, 05:10:05 pm
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#9  January 27, 2015, 05:22:45 pm
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I hope not having a "delete account" option like any decent forum is worth all the times this topic has been and will be created :P
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#10  January 27, 2015, 05:43:56 pm
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Ah, now I get it. He wants to delete the account so that he isn't forced to make that list because he can't find Person Man guilty of doing bad stuff. How smart.
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#11  January 27, 2015, 06:00:33 pm
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Wow... Well, nice to see how it went from Titiln's witty reply (With a reason, the forum is actually fine so demanding for a feature to make it "decent" has no point. At least I think all of us regular users think this forum is a decent one?) to that... other one in one quick step and so fast.  :skull:
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#14  January 27, 2015, 07:43:13 pm
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I stand by my statement cause in my opinion all you've been doing lately is baiting, sorry that you feel that way

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#15  January 28, 2015, 11:56:51 am
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You can't. Though that opinion was there, but not anymore.
If I can't delete my account, I just log off myself and just won't come back for a while. But to delete your account, that was in the past.
Feel free to use my account:
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#16  January 28, 2015, 12:03:38 pm
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that's right only the admin can does that.
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#17  January 28, 2015, 12:33:13 pm
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No wonder this place has 62,239 members.
come to think of it, why don't we / the mods delete all accounts with zero posts or less than 50 post and last active more than three years ago once in a while. (not joking)
I just checked the first members page. 40 of 50 accounts would fulfill these requirements :P

and I hereby second the idea of a delete account option btw
Last Edit: January 28, 2015, 12:57:16 pm by Gara
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#18  January 28, 2015, 12:56:58 pm
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I already do purges every once in a while.
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#19  January 28, 2015, 01:37:11 pm
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The reason we don't make it a typical option is because when we allowed it people liked to delete their accounts and come back with new accounts. It made moderation tougher because you could no longer search that user's history.

And on that note it made it much tougher to search for certain useful posts. If said person made tutorials you couldn't use their name to search.

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#20  January 28, 2015, 02:03:19 pm
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It's no fun removing guest posts  :(
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#21  March 14, 2015, 12:15:27 pm
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No wonder this place has 62,239 members.

bumping this just to say, that considering that only 176 members voted at the COTY voting - and assuming that maybe 10 percent of the regularly active members voted - I'd estimate the total number of active members here rather at 2,000 - 3,000 max. and assuming that this is probably the biggest place on the net for mugeneers, I'd estimate the whole community of active Mugen players at not more than 10,000 people worldwide. (I could be wrong tho :P )
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#22  March 14, 2015, 11:33:58 pm
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Gara I actually checked on this because Iced said he "does purges from time to time".  I wasn't going to post it, just based previous interactions I've had here, but here goes anyway.  Forgive me but after my homework I found Iced's purges kind of hard to believe. This forum advertises on it's home page as having 61,000+ members.

45,000 of those members have 0 posts and no profile pic.
50,000 of those members have 2 or less posts.
55,000 have 10 or less posts.
58,000 have 50 or less posts.

That leaves a little over 3,000 members with more than 50 posts.  And that's over the forums entire history.  If half of those members were still active today we'd have 1,500 active members.  Something tells me it's a bit less than that...

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I understand if the mods think it helps the community to *think there are more people involved here than there actually are.  Feeling like a hub of 61,000 mugen users exists makes the whole thing a little more appealing than a village of 3,000 (generously).

Personally I would side with the truth, for better or worse.  To me it's a question of false hope. Ultimately it's just dismissing misrepresentation as harmless for the sake of a false social context (and possible greed for content), the actual cost of which is many hours of peoples lives spent on creativity predicated on a false audience.  That's why I would side with the truth.

As for people being allowed to delete their own accounts, delete their own posts, edit their own posts etc, I think taking that away from people is far above the call of forum moderation.  (Personally it strikes me as a bit unduly power hungry, but who knows).  Not to mention it's correlation to the apparent number of members.

So that's my take.  I hardly expect anyone to agree with me on all of that, but as people are entitled to their own opinions, that is mine.    If you want to bash it, please don't confuse my lack of a response with a change of mind.
Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 08:33:46 pm by H Mr. Ton!
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#23  March 14, 2015, 11:42:25 pm
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Who the fuck cares if only about 10% of the registered users are active? And where is Guild "advertising" how many people are registered? Are you talking about the box at the bottom? That's on almost every SMF board I've seen in my life.
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#24  March 14, 2015, 11:48:45 pm
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what you wanna remove your account for, however?
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I understand if the mods think it helps the community to *think there are more people involved here than there actually are.  Feeling like a hub of 60,000 mugen users exists makes the whole thing a little more appealing than a village of 4-5,000 (generously).

Personally I would side with the truth, for better or worse.  To me it's a question of false hope. Ultimately it's just dismissing misrepresentation as harmless for the sake of a false social context (and possible greed for content), the actual cost of which is many hours of peoples lives spent on creativity predicated on a false audience.  That's why I would side with the truth.


...that's an smf/eosalpha in-built feature. The forum uses the default theme, no need for fancy layouts.

We're not trying to dupe anyone or increase our e-peni by bragging about our immense userbase. Mugen is a niche thing, and everyone who has a working brain realizes that at some point. Take the tin foil hat off.
Re: How do I delete my account?
#27  March 15, 2015, 12:03:59 am
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45,000 of those members have 0 posts and no profile pic.
50,000 of those members have 2 or less posts.
55,000 have 10 or less posts.
58,000 have 50 or less posts.
You're not considering those who have an account, don't post, but still log in regularly (or even just once in a while), and possibly use PMs. Or even those who don't use PMs but use the fact that they have an account to keep track of topics they like, and how many new threads there have been in such-and-such section.
Any kind of purge would definitely ONLY remove users who haven't actually logged in since a couple of years AND have no post at all. Even those who have only a few posts and haven't logged in years can't be removed, that'd just be shitty for anyone who thinks "hey, I wonder what happened to this place, I should check it out -- hey, where'd my account go ? I definitely had one..." even if you say "well they can just register again".

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As for people being allowed to delete their own accounts, delete their own posts, edit their own posts etc, I think taking that away from people is far above the call of forum moderation.
Deleting accounts and posts can break a topic (well, not break it, but make it lose all sense) and makes it harder to keep track of people who try to evade bans and warning, and try to sweep under the rug some bad shit they did and act like they're clean. Posts can be sent to the bin, however. It's not being power hungry, it's common sense given some of the things certain members here have been known to do in the past.
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Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 12:08:58 am by DKDC
Re: How do I delete my account?
#28  March 15, 2015, 12:06:20 am
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I know Iced deletes some accounts every once in a while because I checked one account some months ago and today that account doesn't exist. It was an account with no name with the location "Omega Ruins", it was the first in the Member List. And it had 0 posts. Is that enough proof? I can't check sixty thousand account, but I noticed that one disappeared.

In the homepage it isn't "advertising" how many people there are here, it's just telling you the Statistics: the number of posts, topics, members, etc.  in the right column of the homepage of the forum, written with a little font. But I don't know your idea of advertisement.

Most people, when signing up here, don't even care about the number of registered users: they come here, write one or two posts and they're done: what are you going to do about that? You can't do anything about it anyway. Leave them be.
Edit: or they do what Byakko/DKDC says above me.

What's the matter, in any case? It won't change the life of anybody, so why are we even discussing this?
Re: How do I delete my account?
#29  March 15, 2015, 12:07:43 am
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someone is confused. I only purge accounts that havent been around for years or havent logged in for years and have no posts . I would never delete an account because it has only 1 or 2 posts. all of those posts matter in some way or another and I wouldnt go around tracking accounts to delete.

Smf shows everyone that creates an account, you cant decide to delete someone account because they are not "active enough".

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#30  March 15, 2015, 12:25:38 am
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#31  March 15, 2015, 12:37:22 am
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You're not considering those who have an account, don't post, but still log in regularly (or even just once in a while), and possibly use PMs. Or even those who don't use PMs but use the fact that they have an account to keep track of topics they like, and how many new threads there have been in such-and-such section.
A extremely marginal fraction I'm sure. Even if that number were to double the initial projection it would do nothing to destabilize the point.   

Any kind of purge would definitely ONLY remove users who haven't actually logged in since a couple of years AND have no post at all. Even those who have only a few posts and haven't logged in years can't be removed, that'd just be shitty for anyone who thinks "hey, I wonder what happened to this place, I should check it out -- hey, where'd my account go ? I definitely had one..." even if you say "well they can just register again".
An even smaller fraction.  And even if someone was to return 5 years later to find their account deleted for inactivity, you're talking about people who have 0 posts, as though not being able to log in locks them out of something they would have otherwise been involved in.  At that level of interaction, 0 posts in 5 years (and 0 pms for shits sake), just browsing as a guest or making a new account could be expected.  I know I wouldn't be surprised to find my account deleted after 3-5 years and absolutely 0 activity ever.  I would just make a new one if I wanted to post. 

The weight and counter weight are:
A) The number of people who return after 3-4 years and 0 posts total to find their account deleted for inactivity and are actually mildly disappointed to find they have to create a new account if they want to post.

B) The number of people who invest hours upon hours in creating something because they think they have an audience of 61,000 when it's actually more like 2,000 tops.

Even one for one I would go in favor of B.
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#32  March 15, 2015, 12:46:57 am
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A extremely marginal fraction I'm sure.
See, I'll just entirely disregard your personal opinion of how many people that makes until you can back that up.
What's not marginal is the number of people who tried to erase the records of the shit they said and attempted to come back under a different name in hope that no one would notice. For that alone, the option of deleting your account or entirely erasing your posts is a bad thing. There are a lot of places where this shouldn't be a problem, but people in this community can have a bone to pick and can spread some shit pretty far and wide.
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#34  March 15, 2015, 12:55:45 am
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Yeah, in the 13-14 years of Guild you are the 1st person that seems to think the "inaccurate" number of users posted on the front page are a big deal. Perhaps we should put a disclaimer.

"Caution, audience may be smaller than what appears."

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#35  March 15, 2015, 01:28:30 am
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Why would you even want to delete your account? Please don't go we love you.

If you don't want to be around anymore just turn off your computer and go read a book, it's simple.
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#36  March 15, 2015, 01:29:29 am
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Yeah, in the 13-14 years of Guild you are the 1st person that seems to think the "inaccurate" number of users posted on the front page are a big deal.
In those 13 - 14 years how many users (out of 2000, not 61,000) do you think had any reason to suspect that number is actually 30 times higher than perhaps it should be?  And in those 13-14 years how many users do you think tried to start a project thinking they were in a community of 61,000 rather than 2,000 where if they knew, they might not have bothered?  Why should they distrust that number? 

Point:  There exists in reality a(n unobtainable) number of exactly how many hours of people's lives that "61,000" has wasted, and I don't think that's negligible.  Seeing that this issue clearly isn't going to come up often, I think it deserves at least some serious consideration.  Think about it for their sakes if for no other reason.     

That's really all I have to say about it.
Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 01:32:56 am by H Mr. Ton!
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#37  March 15, 2015, 01:40:59 am
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how many users (out of 2000, not 61,000) do you think had any reason to suspect that number is actually 30 times higher than perhaps it should be?  And in those 13-14 years how many users do you think tried to start a project thinking they were in a community of 61,000 rather than 2,000 where if they knew, they might not have bothered?
A better question is why anyone would be bothered that the active community is 2000 members instead of 61000, and why should we care about those that think it matters.

Point:  There exists in reality a(n unobtainable) number of exactly how many hours of people's lives that "61,000" has wasted, and I don't think that's negligible.  Seeing that this issue clearly isn't going to come up often, I think it deserves at least some serious consideration.
Counter-point : the number of hours that were not wasted on the countless nutjobs that came here over the years and were not able to erase their records and start over with more of the same shit they did before is far greater than that number. This consideration trumps your consideration any day.

You're just plowing straight with your idea and you're not even listening to the various explanations that were presented to you, just deflecting and insisting that all of this is somewhat bad and needs to be changed. Where exactly do you think this is going ? We do hear your point, it's just that you're wrong.
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in reality nowhere, but probaly he's still gonna attempt to explain to you the rest of his idea why.

but here's my point about your argument mr.ton

your point is Invalid.
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#39  March 15, 2015, 01:45:02 am
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Creating shit just to be popular, be it for a crew of 2,000 or 60,000 is a genuine, massive waste of time.
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#40  March 15, 2015, 02:14:49 am
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If you've made some drama shit here, you gotta suck it up and admit your mistakes. I did some stupid shit myself but I just accept my mistakes and learn from them, trying to run away won't solve anything man.

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#41  March 15, 2015, 02:42:23 am
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how many users (out of 2000, not 61,000) do you think had any reason to suspect that number is actually 30 times higher than perhaps it should be?  And in those 13-14 years how many users do you think tried to start a project thinking they were in a community of 61,000 rather than 2,000 where if they knew, they might not have bothered?
A better question is why anyone would be bothered that the active community is 2000 members instead of 61000, and why should we care about those that think it matters.

Point:  There exists in reality a(n unobtainable) number of exactly how many hours of people's lives that "61,000" has wasted, and I don't think that's negligible.  Seeing that this issue clearly isn't going to come up often, I think it deserves at least some serious consideration.
Counter-point : the number of hours that were not wasted on the countless nutjobs that came here over the years and were not able to erase their records and start over with more of the same shit they did before is far greater than that number. This consideration trumps your consideration any day.

You're just plowing straight with your idea and you're not even listening to the various explanations that were presented to you, just deflecting and insisting that all of this is somewhat bad and needs to be changed. Where exactly do you think this is going ? We do hear your point, it's just that you're wrong.

DKDC, The answer to your first question is exactly the issue you try to counter with your "counter-point" (speaking of ignoring various explanations presented to you).  The obvious response to your counter point is that a user can't delete their account while they're banned from accessing it.  Any bans are held in place with their current level of effectiveness.  Not to mention the relevant point there was purging (sans banned), not account deletion.  "Plowing" accusation and counter-point countered and first question thus answered.

Ryuku, Solid advice for sure, and I agree with you in general, but I don't think I've made a mistake here or caused drama and I'm not running.  Either way your approach is admirable, so thanks.
Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 02:52:10 am by H Mr. Ton!
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#42  March 15, 2015, 02:52:15 am
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Ryuku, Solid advice for sure, and I agree with you in general, but I don't think I've made a mistake here or caused drama and I'm not running.
You have read this thread, right. The thread you created. This thread definitely classifies as a mistake.
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and a damn sure waste of time...

stop defending yourself Mr.Ton and commit to your mistakes.
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#44  March 15, 2015, 03:29:16 am
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The obvious response to your counter point is that a user can't delete their account while they're banned from accessing it.
Except people don't get banned for life, the ban system is extremely lenient. People who got banned can come back - very easily.
The "no delete" rule is to make sure these guys don't erase their history, it makes the staff able to check if the guy was banned before, and for how long - because the bans increase in time each time. If someone can delete his account, that info is lost. With that system, there HAS to be a "no delete" rule. Unless admins and global mods start holding a diary of everyone who got banned before - but even then, deleting accounts also deletes IP history, so it makes it harder to realize that someone who's acting like a dick already was banned five times before for the same reason. IP logging to make sure that someone is the same person as a previous trouble-maker is also a reason to prevent account deletion.
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Re: How do I delete my account?
#45  March 15, 2015, 04:38:26 am
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DKDC, The answer to your first question is exactly the issue you try to counter with your "counter-point" (speaking of ignoring various explanations presented to you).  The obvious response to your counter point is that a user can't delete their account while they're banned from accessing it.  Any bans are held in place with their current level of effectiveness.  Not to mention the relevant point there was purging (sans banned), not account deletion.  "Plowing" accusation and counter-point countered and first question thus answered.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that argument comes down to "We need an account deletion button so that it's easier to ban evade," correct?

Just face it: you made a shitty argument, and instead of just owning up to it, you're trying REALLY HARD to find alternate reasons why this forum absolutely NEEDS a delete button. Too many inactive accounts, failed. Banned users not able to remove their accounts, failed. I'm expecting the next argument to be "we need to have a delete accounts button because it's the only way to stop Heartbreaker, Nervewrecker, and Meansucker from yelling profanity at me."
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#46  March 15, 2015, 05:01:15 am
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this is stupid. nobody looks at a forum's number of registered users and automatically thinks "amazing, 90000 people, and theyre all active and posting everyday". it's always a small fraction of that. if people could delete their accounts the number of members would be the same minus twenty or thirty at best.
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#47  March 15, 2015, 05:14:54 am
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The number on the frontpage is registered users.
about 20 people per day register on a forum that has been up for about 13 years. There is no need to inflate a number like that for absolutely no reason. anyone knows that users from the past wont be around anymore, but at some point they were.

Theres zero reason to be deleting the accounts and posts of users that arent around here anymore, a comunity builds on itself, not by erasing what happened before the present.

Likewise there are a ton of people that would rather post, be offensive and insult a moderator or whatever, then delete the account and make a new one to repeat the behaviour whenever they felt like needed to be a butt again.
Weve all been here long enough that we know that doesnt work ( yet many still attempt it )

We've had people making new accounts to attack others.
People that make several accounts to pretend they are a group of friends.
People that make several accounts pretending to be "brothers"/girlfriends/fans
People making several accounts for "educating sheeple" and because they dont want to remain banned
There is a mugen forum out there composed of nothing but clone accounts of this one mk creator that continuously talks about gay parrots with his clone accounts.
None of those people usually have anything to give a community because they dont bring with them trust. and in a community where you usually work with others, you need trust. So until they get over those behaviours and act normally they will find it that much harder to find others trusting them and lending them support and their own time.


All of this should have been really obvious.
Re: How do I delete my account?
#48  March 15, 2015, 02:08:53 pm
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DKDC, I'm going to rephrase my counter point because you seem to have 2 concepts confused.  Enabling account deletion in no way would lower the 61,000 members to a more realistic number at all.  That should be obvious.  Your counter-point to my argument about the apparent number of users being a reason against account deletion is erroneous, either as a sidestep or a mistake.  Either way it's a non-sequitur.  The connection I was drawing between the two was that it might not be quite so high if account deletion had been an option the entire time.  Which itself is basically irrelevant because the appropriate corrective action would be required either way, which is for the mods to delete accounts that have absolutely 0 activity after years of existence.  This being well over 3/4 of the accounts on this forum.  I'm suggesting that number being high has real consequences.

Enabling account deletion is a separate point, and the second point you're confusing with the first, above.  I started this thread to ask how to delete my account, not argue that it should be possible.  I do think it should be possible but know that it's a separate issue from the one above, which I stand firm on.  Please don't confuse the two.

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The number on the frontpage is registered users.
about 20 people per day register on a forum that has been up for about 13 years. There is no need to inflate a number like that for absolutely no reason. anyone knows that users from the past wont be around anymore, but at some point they were.

Theres zero reason to be deleting the accounts and posts of users that arent around here anymore, a comunity builds on itself, not by erasing what happened before the present.
I've already given what I think is a very sufficient reason. 
And I didn't suggest deleting posts.  I suggested deleting accounts that have 0 posts. 
Please follow what I'm saying more closely.

Likewise there are a ton of people that would rather post, be offensive and insult a moderator or whatever, then delete the account and make a new one to repeat the behaviour whenever they felt like needed to be a butt again.
Weve all been here long enough that we know that doesnt work ( yet many still attempt it )

We've had people making new accounts to attack others.
People that make several accounts to pretend they are a group of friends.
People that make several accounts pretending to be "brothers"/girlfriends/fans
People making several accounts for "educating sheeple" and because they dont want to remain banned
There is a mugen forum out there composed of nothing but clone accounts of this one mk creator that continuously talks about gay parrots with his clone accounts.
None of those people usually have anything to give a community because they dont bring with them trust. and in a community where you usually work with others, you need trust. So until they get over those behaviours and act normally they will find it that much harder to find others trusting them and lending them support and their own time.

Account deletion is a completely separate subject from the idea of creating alternate accounts or from the idea of purging.  How is creating an alternate account made any more difficult by disabling account deletion?  If someone wanted a new account all they would have to do is make one.  Deleting their old account doesn't "cover their tracks" in any way, because their new account is in no way tied to their old one.  The only point I can see for disabling account deletion is to keep the numbers. 
Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 02:30:39 pm by H Mr. Ton!
Re: How do I delete my account?
#49  March 15, 2015, 02:26:59 pm
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DKDC, I'm going to rephrase my counter point because you seem to have 2 concepts confused.  Enabling account deletion in no way would lower the 61,000 members to a more realistic number at all.  That should be obvious.  Your counter-point to my argument about the apparent number of users being a reason against account deletion is erroneous, either as a sidestep or a mistake.  Either way it's a non-sequitur.
Oh, you can use big words, that's nice, I guess you want a medal. But you're just beating around the bush and trying to distract your audience and then give a terrible explanation.
My counter-point was specifically about the ability to delete your account. I'm telling you why it's not possible. This is not related to the number of members, this is really about making moderation easier. You're the one trying to bring the number of members into this and acting like it's something important, when it really isn't. What I'm saying is that this number is only a side-effect to a very logical moderation tool. Not to mention it's insignificant.

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The connection I was drawing between the two was that it might not be quite so high if account deletion had been an option the entire time.
No one who comes here, registers, stays one day, and then forgets about the place, is ever going to care about a delete button. This is just dumb. The ratio of active/inactive members wouldn't be any different if there had been a "delete account" button. And don't say that and then try to say that I'm the one confusing the two points, you're the one who's trying to mix them up together when they're a separate thing.
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I'm suggesting that number being high has real consequences.
It really doesn't, that's just a retarded point to make. This is nonsensical.
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Enabling account deletion is a separate point, and the second point you're confusing with the first, above.  I started this thread to ask how to delete my account, not argue that it should be possible.  I do think it should be possible but know that it's a separate issue from the one above, which I stand firm on.
The answer is unchanged no matter how you try to phrase it : you're wrong, there must not be a "delete account" button. That answer was given to you very early, and you're still insisting and trying to worm the discussion one way then another in hope that it will change after a while.


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I've already given what I think is a very sufficient reason. 
You have not, your reason is terrible and you've already been told that. Don't tell people to follow what you say more closely when you're just disregarding what they tell you.

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How is creating an alternate account made any more difficult by disabling account deletion?
See, if you had listened to what you have already been told, you'd know that it doesn't make it harder to register an alt account but it makes it easier to realize that a new account is an alt account of someone who did bad shit before. You're just plugging your ears while singing "lalalala can't hear you" and then acting like your points have any weight even after they've been debunked.
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Deleting their old account doesn't "cover their tracks" in any way, because their new account is in no way tied to their old one.
IP tracking. Also, even without IP tracking, as soon as someone recognizes the guy (from his posting style, his attitude) then we can look back at what he did before, and how many times he was banned for it. It's like a criminal record. This is what you're asking to have a right to wipe.
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Re: How do I delete my account?
#50  March 15, 2015, 02:41:56 pm
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Account deletion is a completely separate subject from the idea of creating alternate accounts or from the idea of purging.  How is creating an alternate account made any more difficult by disabling account deletion?  If someone wanted a new account all they would have to do is make one.  Deleting their old account doesn't "cover their tracks" in any way, because their new account is in no way tied to their old one.  The only point I can see for disabling account deletion is to keep the numbers. 

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The number on the frontpage is registered users.
about 20 people per day register on a forum that has been up for about 13 years. There is no need to inflate a number like that for absolutely no reason. anyone knows that users from the past wont be around anymore, but at some point they were.

Theres zero reason to be deleting the accounts and posts of users that arent around here anymore, a comunity builds on itself, not by erasing what happened before the present.

Likewise there are a ton of people that would rather post, be offensive and insult a moderator or whatever, then delete the account and make a new one to repeat the behaviour whenever they felt like needed to be a butt again.


Read me next tiime instead of pretending that I dont understand you. I understood you, answered you and showed you why things are done and how. In most places you would be dismissed instead of talked with.
You yourself made a new account to try to be offensive to a moderator without having any consequences so it seems very obvious to any onlookers that you would want to delete an account just so you could make more and jump from action to action without people knowing who you were and what you did before.


Your question was answered and the laughable "Oh you should delete members that havent attended for 2 years" would be laughed at in any internet community, so I suggest dropping it instead of pressing on and on about it.
Re: How do I delete my account?
#51  March 15, 2015, 02:58:16 pm
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I have never seen a forum that has a total user count that is even close to the total active. What you are complaining about is something that is in every forum on the internet as far as I know.

And you are saying we should delete accounts that have zero posts when iced already says he periodically deletes accounts with zero posts that have not been logged into in at least 2 years.

It's not like there is an auto pruning script at work. Where once a zero posts account reaches 2 years it automatically gets deleted. It takes time to do it and neither me or Iced is going to sit around all day doing that.
Re: How do I delete my account?
#52  March 15, 2015, 03:03:53 pm
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And you are saying we should delete accounts that have zero posts when iced already says he periodically deletes accounts with zero posts that have not been logged into in at least 2 years.
There are a number of accounts that have been created seven years ago and haven't logged in seven years (i.e. port of the previous database), though. But even a direct access to the database would make it very tedious.
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Re: How do I delete my account?
#53  March 19, 2015, 05:03:47 pm
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...Real life's been keeping me reeeaaal busy.  Lot's of work, and possible tattooing apprenticeship on the near horizon.   

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Just No Point, I didn't realize there's no batch delete function, and you would have to delete them by hand.  That alone is persuasive enough for me to drop the purge point.  If "every forum on the internet" has that issue, that's another thing I didn't realize.  The implication would be that people who visit many forums would expect that number to be ridiculously high.  None the less I would still stand by my original point if there was a batch delete function, but deleting 45-50,000 accounts by hand would be a ludicrous request when the counter point is "hours of peoples lives wasted."  So again, I'm dropping the purging issue. 

If you or anyone else wants a good look at it however, check out pages 883, 1109 and 1173 of 1221 of the Memebers List when sorted by posts from lowest to highest.

0 posts: page 883 is 72% of 1221
10 posts or less: page 1109 is 90% of 1221
50 posts or less: page 1173 is 96% of 1221   

To answer Gara's question from earlier, about 96% of guild members have less than 50 posts.

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DKDC, My rephrased counter-point was in response to the same post that my original counter-point was.  I apologize, but I didn't notice you had made another post between the two, and the rephrase wasn't meant as a response to that.  Which is unfortunate because that post of yours actually provides most of the pieces of information I was missing.  I didn't realize that deleting an account also deleted it's IP from record as well as all of it's posts.  The posts would be tough to argue because a user can delete them at any point if they want (among other reasons), but keeping the IP makes sense seeing as it keeps it tied to their name / history as opposed to just having a text list of banned IPs.  I was under the impression that deleting your account worked more like "deactivating" it or just terminating your ability to access it so you could start a new account without multi-accounting.

That being said, in response to your deliberately insulting follow-up post:  I've seen you instigate drama with many other users here in the past by lacing your reasoning with insults.  You're regularly aggressive in that way, and come off to me as argument hungry.  Condoning that is not worth the benefit of your perspective to me.  For that reason *I won't respond to any of your posts that make any effort to insult.   

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My two issues have been resolved by Just No Point and DKDC respectively as follows.

Well over 3/4 of all existing Guild accounts have 0 posts:  No batch delete option.  I thought there was. Way too tedious to hand delete 50,000 accounts.
Account deletion not optional: Deleting an account deletes its posts and IP for ban tracking sake.

My only remaining suggestion would be to consider removing a users ability to delete their account only upon their first ban.  And only reinstate it after a certain period of time or an examined request or something.  That would give non-offending users the option for a clean slate without multi-accounting. The "keeping their posts" argument doesn't align with the fact that they have the ability to delete their posts at any time anyway, and perhaps doing so is a power they should have, provided they don't forfeit it by getting banned.  Another approach if it's possible with the software might be to give users a "deactivate account" option.  i.e. they are simply no longer able to access that account but it remains in the system.  That way they can then create a new account without multi-accounting or compromising moderation.
Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 05:28:15 pm by H Mr. Ton!
Re: How do I delete my account?
#54  March 19, 2015, 05:21:15 pm
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counterpoint: it's largely a non-issue
Re: How do I delete my account?
#55  March 19, 2015, 05:29:18 pm
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Counter point to what? 
Re: How do I delete my account?
#56  March 19, 2015, 05:32:46 pm
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Another approach if it's possible with the software might be to give users a "deactivate account" option.  i.e. they are simply no longer able to access that account but it remains in the system.  That way they can then create a new account without multi-accounting or compromising moderation.
There's a workaround for that. Many users have done this by changing their password to gibberish and then log out.

...three months later those dumbshits make alt accounts just to pm an admin begging to reset their passwords. So yeah, no point in adding a new feature.

Also, fuck no, we're not letting anyone hide his fuck ups, even if it's only from the average user.
Re: How do I delete my account?
#57  March 19, 2015, 05:46:18 pm
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There's a workaround for that. Many users have done this by changing their password to gibberish and then log out.
...three months later those dumbshits make alt accounts just to pm an admin begging to reset their passwords. So yeah, no point in adding a new feature.

Yea that sounds ridiculous, but it's not a legitimate work around.  They'd still be multi-accounting at that point.  But I guess it's close enough that if "allowed" it could work without having to add anything new.

Also, fuck no, we're not letting anyone hide his fuck ups, even if it's only from the average user.
Then you should remove all users ability to edit or delete their own posts or change their display names, Cyan Paul (Fubini).  I'm just making the point that the ability already exists, and for good reason.  It's just a matter of extent and application. 
Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 06:04:45 pm by H Mr. Ton!
Re: How do I delete my account?
#58  March 19, 2015, 05:55:08 pm
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DKDC,
"You and everyone else were right since the beginning, but you're an asshole anyway so I won't respond to you, even though I've been acting like a jackass by keeping pushing for something irrelevant to anyone for three pages and blatantly ignoring everyone who kept telling me why I was wrong until I couldn't weasel my argument in some way, and until someone started to be insulting on account of me being a jackass".
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Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 05:58:44 pm by DKDC
Re: How do I delete my account?
#59  March 19, 2015, 05:55:23 pm
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Also, fuck no, we're not letting anyone hide his fuck ups, even if it's only from the average user.
Then you should remove all users ability to edit or delete their own posts or change their display names, Cyan Paul (Fubini). 

How did you edit your post? You should have the "No edit no delete" rank.

Anyway, about the part you quoted and responded to, it shouldn't be that way, people should edit and delete their posts using common sense (like updating the first post of a topic to add more information or fixing grammar mistakes in a post); but when someone acts like an idiot, or tries to hide everything by editing/deleting stuff, that's when the moderator/admin intervenes and applies the rank/soft ban/ban for three days etc..
I'm not referring to you right now, but if you got the "No edit no delete" star there must be a reason, right?
Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 06:01:13 pm by Alex Sinigaglia
Re: How do I delete my account?
#60  March 19, 2015, 06:02:01 pm
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He'd made a contributing post with the "Sprite Parts" thread and seemed like he was trying to move past his previous mistakes a bit. He mentioned in the thread that he couldn't edit his post so I PMed him explaining why he couldn't and removed it.
The purpose of doing it privately was so he could move on easier without drawing attention to himself again... but...
Re: How do I delete my account?
#61  March 19, 2015, 06:04:58 pm
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There's no 'legitimate' work around because disabling your account is stupid as shit. That was the whole point. We're also unwilling to let anyone start fresh whenever they want because that's stupid too. If you can't live with your past actions and move on, you should run the fuck away from this place.

Also, we already punish people that misuse their posting rights, like chamat or toonar. Changing display names? It's purely aesthetical as you've noticed, you can't hide your old username. You're grasping at straws.
Re: How do I delete my account?
#62  March 22, 2015, 09:39:32 pm
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There's no 'legitimate' work around because disabling your account is stupid as shit. That was the whole point. We're also unwilling to let anyone start fresh whenever they want because that's stupid too. If you can't live with your past actions and move on, you should run the fuck away from this place.

Also, we already punish people that misuse their posting rights, like chamat or toonar. Changing display names? It's purely aesthetical as you've noticed, you can't hide your old username. You're grasping at straws.

who are you on about?
Re: How do I delete my account?
#63  March 22, 2015, 10:26:21 pm
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read the thread and figure it out