The Mugen Fighters Guild - Why do you hate compilations?

GeorgeMP

Why do you hate compilations?

#1 October 22, 2019, 10:02:15 pm

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Now, why do you all hate compilations? I've been wondering this because everywhere I see them being talked about, no-one's ever said anything positive about them. But maybe I'm missing something here. Back to my question:

Why do you all hate MUGEN compilations?

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DeathScythe

Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#2 October 22, 2019, 10:11:16 pm

Mostly because is "just" a compilation, something that literally anybody can do. There is no effort put into it, you just download content from other authors and put it all together. Most of the time it's inconsistent, unbalanced, character styles clashes, and the final product is just "poor". Not to mention that some people are disrespectful, they take content from other authors and say "no, I made this, it's all my work".

It's very different from a full game where you develop your own characters, making them balanced and consistent, and actually putting effort into the project.

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Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#3 October 22, 2019, 10:28:15 pm

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Pretty much what DeathScythe said.

And one such example is 2dee4ever's CVSU project a few years back. It's comprised of POTS-styled characters, with a few new ones he made using Infinite's Krauser as a template (Yoko, Scorpion, Captain Commando, Ryougi, etc) but everybody else is half-baked. They were all edited to have 6 buttons and had POTS effects slapped on them.

If all of them were made on Infinite's template, CVSU's roster would have been consistent to some degree.

Nep Heart

Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#4 October 23, 2019, 12:06:14 am

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Yeah, compilations are usually built on favoritism and usually just for the sake of a collection rather than having any actual gameplay merit. It reminds me of the time when someone in the Guild released a Touhou "fullgame" that turned out to simply be a compilation of Touhou characters with drastically different gameplay... the best part is that I found my own Hieda no Akyuu in that compilation.

With that said, it's not necessarily a bad thing in itself considering I have plans to eventually set up a MUGEN build that basically includes all my own characters created under the "generation 1" mechanics (I plan on experimenting with a new gameplay system next year actually an attempt at "generation 2" and thus would need to be in a different compilation), but unlike the conventional compilation, these characters were designed specifically to be balanced towards each other in mind.

Bastard Mami

Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#5 October 23, 2019, 12:13:31 am

Don't hate the, hate is too strong of a word, but:

GeorgeMP said, October 22, 2019, 10:02:15 pm

I've been wondering this because everywhere I see them being talked about, no-one's ever said anything positive about them.

You said so, people don't talk about them because there is rarely something worth talking about regarding compilations; the most talked about compilatoins, you have to wonder if they are compilations or full games, the first one I think about is kofz, and it's talked about because it's nicely balanced (for a compilation) and it has original content. but for most compilations, what is there to talk about ?

Umezono

Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#6 October 23, 2019, 02:12:05 am

because theyre not worth playing. you dont need to download someone elses several GB large mugen setup when u can just download your own characters and get the same effect.

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Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#7 October 23, 2019, 02:25:27 am

Not customizable. Not too friendly on filesize. And just not interesting.

The Jaquio

Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#8 October 23, 2019, 02:29:18 am

Don't copy code if you don't understand it.

I really don't think there is anything wrong with compilations for personal entertainment. Everyone has there own individual taste, and download mugen characters based on what they like. When I was first introduced to mugen many years ago, that's pretty much what it was. People could download mugen, add what characters they wanted, and play it. If someone had a complete full game that was bug free and available, that was an extremely rare occurrence. Even now, mugen is 20 years old and you can count on two hands the complete 100% bug free full game releases.

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Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#9 October 23, 2019, 02:33:09 am

I don't really hate compilations. One of the good thing for me is that mostly, I do not need to think of what Mugen game I should compile for myself, I could have simply download it, update it (if there are outdated version of characters) and play it. What I don't like in them is that I have downloaded two compilations back in 2006 or so, those two have edited command such as pressing all three punch buttons, the characters can perform their super move

doing qcf x2 + P, Kyo does his Orochinagi instead of his usual qcb, qcf + p.

when will this personal crises ends? it just won't stop!

DNZRX768

Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#10 October 23, 2019, 03:35:32 am

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Everyone pretty much covers it. Why should I download a non-customize-able compilation that is way too large and not really super fun when I can just download characters separately and build my collection and roster to how I like it?

Building your own collection and your own roster is much more fun than downloading a compilation.

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Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#11 October 23, 2019, 01:41:30 pm

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Guardia de Mieux said, October 23, 2019, 02:29:18 am

If someone had a complete full game that was bug free and available

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Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#12 October 23, 2019, 05:28:38 pm

I am a little editor of pixel art

I don't hate compilations, when the compilator ask permission for the authors or credit them if inactive. When he edit the characters and even stages to play the same, not only throw the shit out on a screenpack, change the portraits and say done...
Compilations are cool when well made, but a shame if not.

DeathScythe said, October 22, 2019, 10:11:16 pm

"no, I made this, it's all my work".

I really had issues with someone making this in the past.

Guardia de Mieux said, October 23, 2019, 02:29:18 am

Even now, mugen is 20 years old and you can count on two hands the complete 100% bug free full game releases.

In those 10 years, I saw only 2 full games with content self made and now working in my own project, I know how hard is to make something like this, we put too much effort, and the result come slowly. And thats for me is one of the issues of a compilation, the guy behind a compilation don't know how hard is, and most simply don't respect the work.

gossh1992

Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#13 October 23, 2019, 05:43:59 pm

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The thing about compilations is this...

1) Often times, the person is trying to make profit off of what someone else does.
2) The creation in question isn't addressed or even noted in most cases, often times leaving people in the comments to ask "who made that?" or "who is that?"

Inherently, there isn't anything wrong with compilations themselves, but when you create something and don't address what it even is or who made it, then you leave people with more questions than answers, and often times, you don't allow credit to be given to where credit is due.

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Nep Heart

Re: Why do you hate compilations?

#14 October 23, 2019, 09:08:45 pm

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Guardia de Mieux said, October 23, 2019, 02:29:18 am

100% bug free full game releases.

That's quite literally impossible due to the nature of the engine being quite buggy itself. Even the best author can't get around inherit bugs such as the dreaded 1-tick delay bug, all they can do is compensate instead.