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I NOW IDENTIFY AS A HAM SANDWICH OR SOMETHING: MAZEMERALD 2 (for ID purposes)
New #1  July 07, 2018, 09:27:19 pm
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#2  July 07, 2018, 09:47:46 pm
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I think it's very important for those of us who use assets made by other people or companies to always remember that we are not the creators of this stuff, to always hold that in the back of our minds.

But at the same time, I don't think it's that important to quibble over the best term to use when describing people who use assets they have not created in their MUGEN works. "Author", or "creator" can work just as well, and nobody's gonna be confused if they see non-original assets from someone calling themselves a creator. We all can parse the difference!

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#3  July 07, 2018, 10:14:11 pm
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I didn’t mean anything by it, trust me, no one really cares, I definitely don’t. I was just proving a point as certain people will only say something to certain individuals and ignore everyone/anything else. I wholeheartedly agree btw, everything derived from source is an edit. You are making original content, not copying a source, kudos to you. You can call yourself that. Keep doing your thing regardless.

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#4  July 08, 2018, 12:49:20 am
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I'm curious what prompted this all caps outburst.

it's 2018, the only people who give two shits about sprite credits and such are the same assholes who bitch endlessly about pots edits, mvc edits, source accuracy, and having any sort of fun in general. Ignore them and move on.

Do yourself a favour though, don't start referring to yourself as a "mugen diff organizer." it makes you sound like a pompous douche.

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#5  July 08, 2018, 12:59:38 am
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#6  July 08, 2018, 01:07:07 am
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Eric The Nihilist said, July 08, 2018, 12:49:20 am
it's 2018, the only people who give two shits about sprite credits and such are the same assholes who bitch endlessly about pots edits, mvc edits, source accuracy, and having any sort of fun in general. Ignore them and move on.

This is not true in the slightest.

If I made sprites/code/whatever I would like to be credited in the readme or whatever. It's literally 1 line and all it does is ackoknowledge the effort someone put into  into what they made, I do this for everyone, Capcom, coders, spriters, anything and everyone whose stuff I used to make my creations.

Not doing this would in fact have an adverse effect on MUGEN and creators in general, when people don't recognise the work that went into what you made (or even worse, falsely attribute that work to someone else as they didn't credit your contribution) what would motivate you to make any more?

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#7  July 08, 2018, 01:28:12 am
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I agree, it still takes effort to create a character or stage.  Sprites and sounds still have to be ripped and implemented, code still has to be written, and quality still has to be maintained; and while acknowledgement for doing all that isn't required, it'd still be a respectful gesture.

I mean Fuuki came up with Alice from Asura Buster, but should I ignore cafe for converting her to MUGEN or Brergsart for his own unique take on her?

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#8  July 08, 2018, 02:04:41 am
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#9  July 08, 2018, 02:15:25 am
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 i found the correct name to my kind of work... i am only an editor.

i agree to give credits when the stuff is inexistent because it takes efforts, but when it´s only a sprite made by the own capcom is a absurd one time was the own capcom that made it.
i generally only use own capcom stuff and i think a nuisance to ask me for credits, when the original creator was the capcom and not a simple mugen user.

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#10  July 08, 2018, 02:27:10 am
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#11  July 08, 2018, 02:55:22 am
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Capcomnator said, July 08, 2018, 02:15:25 am
i found the correct name to my kind of work... i am only an editor.

i agree to give credits when the stuff is inexistent because it takes efforts, but when it´s only a sprite made by the own capcom is a absurd one time was the own capcom that made it.
i generally only use own capcom stuff and i think a nuisance to ask me for credits, when the original creator was the capcom and not a simple mugen user.
So the time taken to rip the sprites isn't worth crediting for?

Maybe you should try actually ripping the sprites from the game if you don't think that kind of work takes effort, or at least enough effort to thank the person who did it.

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#12  July 08, 2018, 03:19:07 am
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Eric The Nihilist said, July 08, 2018, 02:04:41 am
Walruslui said, July 08, 2018, 12:59:38 am
Eric The Nihilist said, July 08, 2018, 12:49:20 am
it makes you sound like a pompous douche.

yeah, uh, this kind of uneccessarily aggressive response also makes you sound like that

Oh look, I mentioned the fun police, and here they are.

Don't you ever get tired of being miserable Walruslui?

Aren't you tired of looking like a parasyte? I mean, given your words, if I sprite a WHOLE character from scratch or even spriting from videos or 3D models, won't you have the fucking decency of even mentioning me in the credits? Do you know the needed effort of spriting? Coding? Or you're just another parasyte who sits and.waits for content to be made?

Enlight me.
I swear there was something cool here!!

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#13  July 08, 2018, 03:28:21 am
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 i am referring me sprites made by capcom,snk or another company.

if i use an inexistent stuff made by someone it´s fair to give credits.

credits are only for inexistent sprites, the normal stuff is totally free.

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#14  July 08, 2018, 03:33:04 am
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Eric The Nihilist said, July 08, 2018, 02:04:41 am
Walruslui said, July 08, 2018, 12:59:38 am
Eric The Nihilist said, July 08, 2018, 12:49:20 am
it makes you sound like a pompous douche.

yeah, uh, this kind of uneccessarily aggressive response also makes you sound like that

Oh look, I mentioned the fun police, and here they are.

Don't you ever get tired of being miserable Walruslui?
While normally I would agree with you here, just leave it be. This kinda thing always sucks the fun out of things. It’s never going to amount to anything more then unnecessary squabbling. Agree to disagree, can’t be friends with everyone unfortunately. I do, personally appreciate the sentiment of being annoyed at those types things. It started because of what I said, but I wasn’t being serious about it.

Hmm the whole credit thing is finicky. Pretty sure he is just saying not to be so anal about it. Not the showing of respect, but the info not always being there. At least that’s what I assume. You don’t say something doesn’t have to be done then get on them for not doing it. It’s either a thing or it isn’t. It’s either required for “everyone” or no one. Similar to how commissions have been allowed then illegal then cool again, but we all know it depends on whom. Sure he is trying to say, “no one has the right to claim anything they didn’t make from scratch as it to is an edit.” Telling someone something only is an edit was kind of a disrespectful thing in the past, similar to “compilations”.

It’s a respect thing, cool, not everyone is looking into those things, with things being distributed as they are on the web. If it’s clear, cool add it, but specifically with anything not properly documented, understandable. You can ultimately never release anything and never worry about it, but no one has said anything to you besides me & it was just making a point that no one cares about anymore. I apologize, don’t take it seriously. I say, stop suggesting “it’s not required”, but say it is and end that. Though I’m sure no one is downloading every single creation to check are they? Also maybe fix up that database.

I also agree with FeLo, hardcore. Those that sit on their ass 10+ Years still begging for someone to make them content, but parasites.. Damn.. that’s cold.

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#15  July 08, 2018, 04:38:51 am
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Why should I credit someone for hours of hard work ? what do I look like  ? a retard ?
Credits are for pussies.

Eric The Nihilist

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#16  July 08, 2018, 04:42:12 am
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I'd have to agree with everything you said here, ;X or 2dee or whatever you call yourself now. I'll cop to that.

And I was under the impression we were talking about sprite rips and such, and not getting hung up over terminology.

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Jesus, take a fucking chill pill Felo_llop. I'm not endorsing completely stealing characters. Of course I know how difficult spriting and coding are. lol, I found out about mugen from being a snes spriter back in the internet heyday. And I know enough about coding to know I hate coding, hence why everything I've done is a portrait, screenpack edit, or a simple stage that involves more Photoshop than FighterFactory. Since you are the type of person that calls anyone who's a casual a "parasyte" I can tell you are exactly the type of person I was going on about.

There, now do you feel enlightened?

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Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 05:28:23 am by Eric The Nihilist

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#17  July 08, 2018, 04:54:38 am
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Dee took me 2 month to rip his sprites due to the difficult nature in ripping from PS2 emulators. I'd think a "Credits to JNP for the rips" would be nice.

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#18  July 08, 2018, 05:09:44 am
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Just No Point said, July 08, 2018, 04:54:38 am
Dee took me 2 month to rip his sprites due to the difficult nature in ripping from PS2 emulators. I'd think a "Credits to JNP for the rips" would be nice.

I agree with you 100%, not that hard to give credit where it is due. Sadly many people just don't have any respect nowadays.

doesn't seem too much to ask

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#19  July 08, 2018, 05:12:06 am
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Just No Point said, July 08, 2018, 04:54:38 am
Dee took me 2 month to rip his sprites due to the difficult nature in ripping from PS2 emulators. I'd think a "Credits to JNP for the rips" would be nice.

^ This It takes way less time to just credit someone then it does to rip,so I don't see a problem giving props when needed. You're giving thanks to someones hard work. Your mom makes you food and you eat it half the time without thanking her even though she spent time and effort cooking. ppl take advantage of things that come so easy to them. And when they don't they feel entitled.

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#20  July 08, 2018, 05:30:15 am
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No one here is flat out saying they aren't, nor feel as though they shouldn't, really read the context here. Some specific things being said. OAN MGMURROW I've seen some things, minor things in your stuff that weren't (100% credited) I've seen many edits of Japanese or unknown authors names changed and it flies because no one cared enough to verify, its always been case specific(usually it has to be popular enough), but this is if one truly wanted to be petty, which was my point. If you all get so hung up over it, just stop saying its not required? I also understand that you are, hmm comparison, not asking for a tip, but courtesy. No need to falsify the context, understand English might not be native to all, the jabs also don't add to much. Its not what you say, its how you say it no? In 2018, look at the people who do try to instigate things, doesn't it just look so silly now? lol

I would have never known you ripped the Dee sprites had I not seen you say it, nor seen you host it yourself and say so.

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#21  July 08, 2018, 05:51:54 am
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You would have known it if you downloaded Dee by Gal129, which is the only creator as of yet to do something with the Dee sprites.

You would have known that because there's a readme in the character that credits JNP for the sprite rips. In two versions, English and Japanese.
Nevermind, there's nothing I can do
Bet your life there's something killing you
It's a shame we have to die, my dear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
What a way to go, but have no fear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
It's a shame we have to disappear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time, this time, this time

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#22  July 08, 2018, 06:05:14 am
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So.
1. FACT. There is only "one" Dee with the sprites, as "you" just said.
2. Your comment wasn't really necessary as it was at the bottom of what I had said, separated, what if I didn't download that version? There is only "one" person who has made the character with the sprites as you've said. Judging from your diction, you are making a "statement" So.. EVERY single character(stages included) that has "ever" been made lists who ripped the sprites? There is a read me in "every" single one.

Because I genuinely didn't know, you talk as though it should be obvious of me to know that? As if this one question, asserts that the above is easily verified. I would have not known anything simply because you deem it applicable.

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#23  July 08, 2018, 06:10:34 am
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The example given was Dee, and what you responded to was Dee. And if you had downloaded a Dee, it would almost certainly show its work, because there's only been one real conversion. So the answer to the statement would be, yes you could easily have known if you had the character because the credit was not in a remote place.
Nevermind, there's nothing I can do
Bet your life there's something killing you
It's a shame we have to die, my dear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
What a way to go, but have no fear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
It's a shame we have to disappear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time, this time, this time

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#24  July 08, 2018, 06:16:20 am
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There is more than one version of that character out there. I've seen 5. Every version on "MG etc" "or that I've seen" As is the possibility with anything else, but this has really shifted now, nothing more to gain from it than over analyzing/speculating. You'll never catch Sonic, take the L.

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#25  July 08, 2018, 06:21:18 am
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You've seen five? Where? Maybe you should list the creators to make them easy to look for. It can't be too hard, their names should be in the def. Perhaps they have some notepad where they've typed their name
Nevermind, there's nothing I can do
Bet your life there's something killing you
It's a shame we have to die, my dear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
What a way to go, but have no fear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
It's a shame we have to disappear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time, this time, this time

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#26  July 08, 2018, 06:30:01 am
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There is more than one version of that character out there. I've seen 5.

Where? I'd like to see proof that more iterations of the character exist too.

;x said, July 08, 2018, 06:16:20 am
Your comment wasn't really necessary

How come most interactions with you end with this exact same thing coming from you? I can't imagine it's always everyone else's fault, nor can I imagine everything people tell you is "unnecessary."

On top of that, from what I can see, this started because of something you said to Capcomnator? Why couldn't you two just settle it outside of a public space? Because now, not only did he make a thread claiming that he's an editor (which comes as a shock to no one because everyone who puts their two hands, two eyes and brain to working with the engine is an editor), but you interjected and made yourself the center of attention again (and not in a good way, judging by your history here).

And before the expected "it's none of your business, no one asked you to interject" I'm well aware, but I did because the way you handle things is very intriguing. Confusing and probably toxic, but intriguing.

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#27  July 08, 2018, 06:44:14 am
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Afterthought said, July 08, 2018, 06:30:01 am
On top of that, from what I can see, this started because of something you said to Capcomnator? Why couldn't you two just settle it outside of a public space?

capcomnator didnt do anything.

i assume this whole thread is a response from rei, who was spreading some salt around from another thread that happened to be discussing credits at the time and said into one of capcomnator's threads "Make sure to add all the credits for the assets and who ripped them." all sarcastically due to that, when capcomnator literally had nothing to do with it whatsoever. i could be wrong, and if so my apologies but everything said points to that.

you're probably not gonna get a decent answer out of any of this. you're gonna get another paragraph that's full of vague and coy answers that do not address your concerns or qualms directly sadly.

EDIT: this is all wrong and my apologies. please ignore anything said above
Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 07:24:54 am by Walruslui

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#28  July 08, 2018, 06:47:31 am
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all of us are editing mugen stuff without the original permission of any company (capcom,snk,namco,etc).
it´s impossible to receive this permission because a trademark has copyright and legal rights under your creation.

with the pass of time i finally understood i am not a creator or author,i am only an editor that used your time to
change somethings and making a different work.

i can´t get money with mugen, i won´t be famous or i can´t demand authorization for what is not mine property.
credits won´t change anything in our lives, only to flatter the ego,many guys already neither are on mugen anymore.

if someone did use my mummy commando for editing in a new version and better or superior without my name , i really
don´t care about it, I would clap if it was better.

my real objetive in mugen is not fame or recognition, because  i don´t need it.
i only want to share my edits and helping to avoid the loss of files stored on my pc.

many mugen forums are down for now and nowadays there´s a little interesting for mugen and some guys until gave up to go on.
i think we need to be detached people, the mugen forums activity is very low, we must to be relaxed or we'll see the mugen extinction very coming soon.

i haven´t ego to mugen, if the people want to download my files and ignoring me, i don´t care about it, mugen is only fun, i won´t go to hollywood
because it and nor the president will give me a medal.

i wish luck and healthy for all.
Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 06:50:37 am by Capcomnator

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#29  July 08, 2018, 06:52:50 am
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ah, i retract my previous statement. it seems this thread was a response to this kinda stuff, from IMT


IN MY OPINION: this isn't cool dude. it's just kind of rude to scribble out the name of the original author intentionally.

you're assuming this is about ego wand whatnot, which is pretty egotistical in itself.

it's not a rule really to give credit but it sure would paint you as a decent person, if you have to go so far as to literally remove credits then it shows the only person having ego is you : /


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yeah, uh, all evidence to you not caring points to the contrary when people simply just asked you to leave a credit and you respond like this
Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 06:58:40 am by Walruslui

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#30  July 08, 2018, 07:01:01 am
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Oh man, this whole thing is so, so, so dumb. And so silly; like, c'mon, grow up: this is some grade schooler shit.

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#31  July 08, 2018, 07:03:52 am
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it won´t change anything at the his life, he are not the original author too.

the author is the capcom company, nobody has company authorization for nothing, so why should i have to put the his name?

i have a different way to think and the people need accept it like a individual opinion.

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#32  July 08, 2018, 07:21:03 am
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i haven´t custom of giving credit to anyone, it´s my way and every person thinks in a different way, the people are not equal.

mugen to me is a open world where all the stuff are only sprites, credits and permissions to me don´t exist.

i won´t put 10 names for every sprite i added.

this thread already tired me......this a complete waste of time.

Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 07:26:00 am by Capcomnator

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#33  July 08, 2018, 07:22:09 am
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we know it's your opinion. nobody is saying you can't have it.

but now we know your character is of one that makes excuses and will do alot to not recognize anyone but himself in order to enable that said opinion and mindset

this isn't about permissions yet you think it is. you're dodging every single thing people are specifically talking about.

have fun being known as the person who quits a forum for someone asking to leave a line of credit

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#34  July 08, 2018, 07:30:40 am
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There's no rules here about giving credit, following people's rules about permissions, or anything like that. You're free to do whatever you want with regards to all that.

But do keep in mind that everyone now knows that you routinely minimize and erase the fact that your MUGEN creations are based on the work of others (or in some cases, apparently, just straight up other people's stuff with their names taken off). You're gonna keep hearing about it from people, again and again and again. And those people won't be breaking any rules either when they complain about it at you!

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#35  July 08, 2018, 07:31:35 am
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after that i will to remove my codename and adding only the company name.

Author : Capcom CPS2
;with editing

it will be more suitable, neither credits to me nor for anyone, only the original company.

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#36  July 08, 2018, 07:36:44 am
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In my eyes, the only reason to purposefully take out credits towards a creator is.. well, there isn't one. It's disrespectful. If you're taking code or sprites from another project, something that someone spent their time on, and decide that they're not worth crediting because they don't hold the IP - that's no better than art theft. No love for those kinds of people. Negligence is a different thing, I didn't think people could stoop this low.
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#37  July 08, 2018, 07:43:39 am
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really if i put my name, it´s can be considered ego because i want my codename highlight, so i won´t put more my name and only the original company and indicating it´s an edit.
maybe acting like a ghost the people can to leave in peace, it will be wonderful if the people just downloading the stuff and ignoring me, don´t need no comments.

capcomnator is not a important mugen maker, only a simple editor, i will decrease my importance to avoid unnecessary discussions between the guys.

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#38  July 08, 2018, 07:49:54 am
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Dude, put your nickname however much you want. The problem is the fact you delete the original author's nicknames entirely.
Wanna have it fine? Leave BOTH names. AND of the original author, just to keep credit, AND yours, as editor. No need to do that dumb shit with "Capcom" nicknames you're trying to propose now.

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#39  July 08, 2018, 08:15:22 am
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i won´t put nothing more, just the clean file, who wants to add it manually, i don´t care.

i just clean the file to me, i remove all, author,date,version, it´s a normal custom to me, i haven´t intention to hide nothing, i only don´t like these characteristic into my files.

this is the truth, i like all my files with only the codes and anything more, now neither my name will be included more.

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#40  July 08, 2018, 08:19:34 am
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Why? What purpose does it serve? Is it really that difficult to discover who created/edited the assets you used, and put their names in a document crediting their work? Is there a bigger language barrier here than I'm thinking there is? The people arguing in favor of credit are asking for one thing, and it isn't complex. Please listen to reason.

This plea goes out to ShinRei/whatever he goes by now as well, since he seems to share the same ideology. There is no good reason NOT to credit work where it's due. I'll be willing to redact my statement if anyone can give one reason as to why crediting people for what they do is a bad thing.

@Capcomnator: After all the talk you made of coming back and trying to redeem yourself, you do a complete 180. Perhaps this stuff would be better tolerated at MUGEN Multiverse. But it really doesn't need to be that way; try to be reasonable, not dramatic.

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#41  July 08, 2018, 08:20:47 am
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 08:15:22 am
i won´t put nothing more, just the clean file, who wants to add it manually, i don´t care.

i just clean the file to me, i remove all, author,date,version, it´s a normal custom to me, i haven´t intention to hide nothing, i only don´t like these characteristic into my files.

this is the truth, i like all my files with only the codes and anything more, now neither my name will be included more.

That sounds to me like you're taking more effort than you would if you just added the credit

Seems counterintuitive
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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#42  July 08, 2018, 08:27:43 am
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Ok have it your way. Now every readme will have=

Author : Capcom CPS2

Ohh look at this... I found out that the author "Capcom CPS2" did a shitty char but if other 30 authors with the exact same nickname released good chars just hours ago.

...Do you know what branding is? bibliography? reference? source? version?

Play some emulator games or go to an arcade if you really want to experience true CAPCOM CPS2 games and leave mugen behind if it bothers you so much, being purist and all.




Let's take a dumbed down approach: "HOMEWORK".

When you present a homework you sign it under your name, you don't sign it with the name of other students or as "Isaac Newton" you know why? because the teacher will qualify you individually, she will classify you by your performance.

So:

"Other students"= Other mugen creators (different versions, different approachs with different performances)
"The teacher"= The mugen players
"Isaac Newton"= CAPCOM/SNK (the source material)
Capcom CPS2= ????

What you are doing is straight up copying what other "students"/coders did without even thanking them and taking all the credit, that, in a professional level is known as plagiarism.

But as in mugen the world is infinite, is amusing to see someone totally in the wrong being so confident. You are entitled to your opinion but get ready for the consequences.

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#43  July 08, 2018, 08:40:46 am
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No, dude. You're totally wrong. I don't mind if people sits their ass and have fun DLing stuff. What I call a parasyte is that type of person who demands stuff to be done without effort, and people who does not give a damm about respecting the creators who previously made content for everyone's use. Tha's what I call a parasyte, not a casual user.
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#44  July 08, 2018, 09:51:52 am
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FeLo_Llop said, July 08, 2018, 08:40:46 am
Eric The Nihilist said:
No, dude. You're totally wrong. I don't mind if people sits their ass and have fun DLing stuff. What I call a parasyte is that type of person who demands stuff to be done without effort, and people who does not give a damm about respecting the creators who previously made content for everyone's use. Tha's what I call a parasyte, not a casual user.
Enlighted?

I will concede that point, to be honest I misunderstood Capcominators garbled google translate speak. I didn't think he was actually scrubbing credit from def files. who the fuck does that?

Fuck me for giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 08:15:22 am
i won´t put nothing more, just the clean file, who wants to add it manually, i don´t care.

i just clean the file to me, i remove all, author,date,version, it´s a normal custom to me, i haven´t intention to hide nothing, i only don´t like these characteristic into my files.

this is the truth, i like all my files with only the codes and anything more, now neither my name will be included more.

See this is what I was talking about about being pretentious. How about from now on you just mark all of your files, "by the artist formally known as Capcominator?"  :megaeyes:

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#45  July 08, 2018, 10:06:39 am
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@Mugen Stuff Editor: As a person who's edited most of his creations, and ripped sprites from non-company sources, I can easily say,
Put your name and the original guy who's stuff you're editing.
#1. There's a lot of versions of characters. Lots and lots and lots. No one wants to download a character they already have. If everyone's name is blank, who made it? Is it different? Are we going to test play for an hour to tell??
#2. PotS and everyone else who makes characters get people that want to see more quality work. When I find a character I like I try to see if there are more. If I find DivinePsy is the best Psylocke I've played with, well I might be interested in trying DivineBlair and every other character DivineWolf created.
#3. Psylocke leads to DivineBlair. Blair was made by author ="Dampir&DivineWolf"... well it's a great character but who's Dampir and what other characters has he edited? Oh wow, he's made Taki. One of my all time favorite characters. Downloaded! On and on people discover more.

I could list about 19, and honestly 19, reasons why you should have the people who created the base and the people who've edited AND your name on anything you make.
author = "Odb718/Slenderman/SeanAltly"
^^^Those two guys deserve credit^^^.

You cant see how many hours went into my Ermac. Heck, I can't. I just know what I've done. And what I did was an edit and it still took months. I can't imagine what it took to get Ermac to where I edited it from.

What I can tell you is, Ripping Rival School Sprites and Samus. I ripped Samus twice. 4 hours of sitting just pressing F12, next frame, F12. Akira was about 8h. Roberto was about 6h. Hyo was 8h. These characters weren't worked on for a half hour here, a half hour there, a little more wednesday. I sat in 1 spot for 8 hours to rip Hyo. I took a bathroom break and my sprites dont line up 100% because of it. So when you have these qualifying statements that this person did one thing and that counts, but this other person only did this. It's bullshit. And to only give me credit for ripping the images is way off. Without N. helping me with Cheat Engine, I wouldn't have gotten that far. I didn't have fun doing any of that. It was SLOW and tedious and it SUCKED. A lot. It sucked a lot. So to hear someone might just erase my contribution to the character is extremely disappointing.

Comments like, "i won´t put 10 names for every sprite i added." are unrealistic. No one is asking you to do this. But if you edit a character ADD your name to it. It's a legacy. Like you said, if someone edits your character to be better you'd applaud them. LET that author do the same! If you delete the name, they wont know. Why erase someone's contribution? If you truly are indifferent to it, you'd ignore it. Join the community and ADD your name to YOUR work!

But like you said, maybe mugen is dying. But if you go back to my example #3, that's how we can breath more life into it.
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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#46  July 08, 2018, 10:26:37 am
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why is crediting such a big issue for you? its literally one sentence acknowledging and thanking the sprite ripper.

you do know that without them you wouldn't be able to get you hands on the sprites right? its true, those assets belong to the company who made them, but the company didn't hand you the sprites on a silver platter. they integrated them in their games.
a mugen hobbyist went through the trouble of ripping them from the games, not only did they do this work unpaid but they also took time out of their life to do it (alot of time). they deserve to be thanked for that, it would also encourage them to do rip more sprites from games.

have you ever used a sprite ripping tool? do you have any idea how complex it could be at times? mr mugen def organizer (lol)?
man i would love to see you struggling to use a funky game cheat tool like artmoney, it would make you appreciate just how much work those guys put in.
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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#47  July 08, 2018, 11:55:40 am
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This is honestly worse than anything I've ever done; because even way back then when the community frowned upon using the work of others, at least I still gave credit.
Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 12:23:56 pm by Baby Bonnie Hood

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#48  July 08, 2018, 12:27:25 pm
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Dude, even if I use sprites from a Capcom game, the code that is developed is still all mine. Capcom has nothing to do on it, so why are you removing my credits and giving them to Capcom??
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#49  July 08, 2018, 04:22:13 pm
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Gennos said, July 08, 2018, 10:26:37 am
why is crediting such a big issue for you? its literally one sentence acknowledging and thanking the sprite ripper.

Not even a sentence, it's basically a single word.

XGargoyle said, July 08, 2018, 12:27:25 pm
Dude, even if I use sprites from a Capcom game, the code that is developed is still all mine. Capcom has nothing to do on it, so why are you removing my credits and giving them to Capcom??

I was gonna say this basically.  Capcom DIDN'T make those MUGEN chars and stages.

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#50  July 08, 2018, 04:35:32 pm
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Ethan The Human said, July 08, 2018, 07:36:44 am
If you're taking code or sprites from another project, something that someone spent their time on, and decide that they're not worth crediting because they don't hold the IP - that's no better than art theft. No love for those kinds of people. Negligence is a different thing, I didn't think people could stoop this low.

Gennos said, July 08, 2018, 10:26:37 am
you do know that without them you wouldn't be able to get you hands on the sprites right? its true, those assets belong to the company who made them, but the company didn't hand you the sprites on a silver platter. they integrated them in their games.
a mugen hobbyist went through the trouble of ripping them from the games, not only did they do this work unpaid but they also took time out of their life to do it (alot of time). they deserve to be thanked for that, it would also encourage them to do rip more sprites from games.

have you ever used a sprite ripping tool? do you have any idea how complex it could be at times? mr mugen def organizer (lol)?
man i would love to see you struggling to use a funky game cheat tool like artmoney, it would make you appreciate just how much work those guys put in.

XGargoyle said, July 08, 2018, 12:27:25 pm
Dude, even if I use sprites from a Capcom game, the code that is developed is still all mine. Capcom has nothing to do on it, so why are you removing my credits and giving them to Capcom??

^ I rather just highlight some of the previous statements, to hopefully make it clearer what lesson one could take from this discussion...
Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 04:41:47 pm by NDSilva

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#51  July 08, 2018, 04:43:12 pm
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thank god there's still some people with sense left arguing otherwise, because dear god is OP stupid


I really applaud each and every one of you for having the patience to deal with someone who's basically shitting on everyone's efforts.

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#52  July 08, 2018, 04:49:06 pm
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Stop trying to @ me so hardcore. Twisting the context yet again smh. No one was agreeing to what was "Now" said. You don't link in our "ideology" because of what he now said. You aren't stupid, we made it clear what our standpoint was and op decided to then take it in a different direction. Its a discussion, put your tilt aside & "personal" gripes. Because someone doesn't agree with "how" you are saying something. No one had been arguing to not give credit, reading comprehension. No one has to give anyone "proof" of anything, you aren't the "Law" there is no law, ya'll really be trying to force someone to validate things for you as if you were the judge. You don't dictate what we have to do. Everyone knows this Wali dude is like that, yes remind you that same guy who gets mad and spouts racism, "why is this line important?" I've deviated from the context to get personal on your character and I don't even know you, nor do I care to, so why the hell bring it to the mix.

 Because you can't debate like a man, dig deep and talk about an individuals personal character. If I'm wrong, why is it that you specially get detective to try to check something I post, try to convince, "specifically me" its mandated. I'm talking to "You" specifically, the same guy who reads all my posts and checks them, takes time out of his day to overlook things I am doing, yet you do that to no one else? I'm wrong? Eric obviously can see it, other people obviously can see it. I was specifically talking to the two individuals whom just have a hard on about shit that isn't even relevant to the conversation.
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#53  July 08, 2018, 04:50:19 pm
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Who are you talking to?

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#54  July 08, 2018, 04:55:17 pm
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The two guys who keep trying to tag me. The thing about the sprites, I'm literally saying, "oh I did not know that" somehow gets turned into shit.
Making a point that there are many people out there whom can easily do what "now" is being said and how it isn't always "common knowledge"

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#55  July 08, 2018, 05:13:13 pm
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;x said, July 08, 2018, 04:55:17 pm
The two guys who keep trying to tag me.

Can't you just mention them by name? It gets a little confusing when you try to pinpoint people but refrain from using their names.

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#56  July 08, 2018, 05:44:16 pm
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I doubt he'll come back to this topic; and even if he does, he probably wouldn't even take anything that's been said in this thread into consideration anyway.  But I still need to say this:

You believe that all works derived from a company's assets should be credited only to that company, even going so far as to remove your own identity to become some kind of anonymous contributor to this community.  That's all fine, you're free to act on your beliefs.  There's just one thing: Not everyone shares your beliefs, and they probably wouldn't appreciate you forcing your beliefs onto them by, for example, making them anonymous just like you by removing the credits from their work.

So you can go ahead and keep doing what you're doing, just don't get anyone else involved especially if they don't agree with your methods.

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#57  July 08, 2018, 05:46:45 pm
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Isn't being an ass and refusing to give credit/denying they should be credited grounds for a ban here?

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#58  July 08, 2018, 05:55:29 pm
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Walruslui said, July 08, 2018, 06:52:50 am


ah, i retract my previous statement. it seems this thread was a response to this kinda stuff, from IMT


IN MY OPINION: this isn't cool dude. it's just kind of rude to scribble out the name of the original author intentionally.

you're assuming this is about ego wand whatnot, which is pretty egotistical in itself.

it's not a rule really to give credit but it sure would paint you as a decent person, if you have to go so far as to literally remove credits then it shows the only person having ego is you : /


EDIT:



yeah, uh, all evidence to you not caring points to the contrary when people simply just asked you to leave a credit and you respond like this
Yes, its where it started. We really tried to convince him of the contrary, but it was just waste of time. I know things had changed and such, but most people who edits things by other person AT LEAST leave the original author name. It's just really a matter of respect.

But then he started to spam other topics with this nonsense and he got banned from there.

I could talk more about it, but I think Jesuzilla nailed it:
Jesuszilla said, July 08, 2018, 04:43:12 pm
thank god there's still some people with sense left arguing otherwise, because dear god is OP stupid

I really applaud each and every one of you for having the patience to deal with someone who's basically shitting on everyone's efforts.

It's pretty much this.

Jesuszilla said, July 08, 2018, 05:46:45 pm
Isn't being an ass and refusing to give credit/denying they should be credited grounds for a ban here?

I dunno, but isn't creating double accounts forbidden here? Dunno if anyone remember, but Capcomnator is Mezerald/Mezmeral/something like that. And, if I am not wrong, he was already banned from here, no?


Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 05:59:06 pm by O Ilusionista

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#59  July 08, 2018, 05:56:12 pm
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 08:15:22 am
i won´t put nothing more, just the clean file, who wants to add it manually, i don´t care.

i just clean the file to me, i remove all, author,date,version, it´s a normal custom to me, i haven´t intention to hide nothing, i only don´t like these characteristic into my files.

this is the truth, i like all my files with only the codes and anything more, now neither my name will be included more.


You are working in stuff done by others. In a community. You reach to it empty handed and you are writing over the name of others for "custom".
Thats not normal, thats being a douche to those that tolled away and worked on things before you. No one minds that you are adding your name to stuff you edited. People get bothered if you try to pass off their work as being yours or as being attributed to "no one". If you cant understand that you should reconsider how much work people take into these things.
Jnp alone tolled months for a sprite sheet, you are redistributing his work but pretending that he didnt and saying its your "custom".

You cant handwave being an ass to others as being just your way of being that just means you are an ass.


;x said, July 08, 2018, 04:55:17 pm
The two guys who keep trying to tag me. The thing about the sprites, I'm literally saying, "oh I did not know that" somehow gets turned into shit.
Making a point that there are many people out there whom can easily do what "now" is being said and how it isn't always "common knowledge"

The fact that you didnt know that and that those things arent well known isnt helped by people removing credits to those that worked on the stuff before them.  So you pretty much proved that yeah , there should be crediting going around whenever possible.

Its just the polite thing to do for others that have provided you with this content.

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#60  July 08, 2018, 06:00:53 pm
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Afterthought said, July 08, 2018, 05:13:13 pm
;x said, July 08, 2018, 04:55:17 pm
The two guys who keep trying to tag me.

Can't you just mention them by name? It gets a little confusing when you try to pinpoint people but refrain from using their names.
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Also you who just posted, never have I said anything about not doing that. Everything this dude just said today is his own opinion that just got escalated.

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As an editor of MvC characters right now, I consider that IS necesary to put the original author name and the credits file.. you can put your name like "editor = blablabla" like I do in the def. file.. simple as that.
Other thing that I´ll consider to put later is the original autor´s credit files.

Here´as in not about Capcom.. SNK.. it's about time work of other people..weeks or months.

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#62  July 08, 2018, 06:07:10 pm
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;x said, July 08, 2018, 06:00:53 pm
Afterthought said, July 08, 2018, 05:13:13 pm
;x said, July 08, 2018, 04:55:17 pm
The two guys who keep trying to tag me.

Can't you just mention them by name? It gets a little confusing when you try to pinpoint people but refrain from using their names.
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Also you who just posted, never have I said anything about not doing that. Everything this dude just said today is his own opinion that just got escalated.

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#63  July 08, 2018, 06:08:09 pm
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;x said, July 08, 2018, 06:00:53 pm
Afterthought said, July 08, 2018, 05:13:13 pm
;x said, July 08, 2018, 04:55:17 pm
The two guys who keep trying to tag me.

Can't you just mention them by name? It gets a little confusing when you try to pinpoint people but refrain from using their names.
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Also you who just posted, never have I said anything about not doing that. Everything this dude just said today is his own opinion that just got escalated.

Ok bye. Have a wonderful time.

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#64  July 08, 2018, 06:11:19 pm
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;x said, July 08, 2018, 06:00:53 pm
You normally talk to me outside of here

lmao

I think it's safe to say Mugen Stuff Editor hightailed it out of here. A shame people would rather run or out others than try to listen to reason.

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#65  July 08, 2018, 06:17:07 pm
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Ok bye what? Everything that was said today, was not what we were siding with yesterday, but whatever.

Afterthought, stay out of my dm's and comments then.

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#66  July 08, 2018, 07:22:51 pm
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Rei was def talking about me and afterthought trying to "@" him, which, I very visibly put a "EDIT: I WAS WRONG ABOUT THIS BEING ABOUT REI MY B" after my post about him and clarified even more with the post from IMT.

If he's so pathetic that he can't even read that or even name-drop me while trying to be could then oh well.

He did exactly what I said tho. No straight answers, twas coy and long paragraphs. Extremely predictable and pathetic lol

Surprised he didn't plug in his YouTube somewhere lol

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#67  July 08, 2018, 07:35:48 pm
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My sprites,stuff,stages are capcom property i haven´t obligation to give credits to anyone.

the capcom doesn´t authorize anyone to use your work because the trademark and copyright.

neither me and anyone has the right to be author, only editor.

my next files won´t contain no more names, only the companies (capcom,snk and etc)

my codename don´t matter more, to show that i don´t want recognition more, i will remove
my codename of all my works.

end of question.

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#68  July 08, 2018, 07:40:57 pm
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 07:35:48 pm

My sprites,stuff,stages are capcom property i haven´t obligation to give credits to anyone.

the capcom doesn´t authorize anyone to use your work because the trademark and copyright.

neither me and anyone has the right to be author, only editor.

my next files won´t contain no more names, only the companies (capcom,snk and etc)

my codename don´t matter more, to show that i don´t want recognition more, i will remove
my codename of all my works.

end of question.

Nah. Fuck off with that. You can go be wrong elsewhere.

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#69  July 08, 2018, 07:41:33 pm
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Wow, you sure pulled a 180 on your opinion for creating stuff for mugen.

Now you're telling everyone they're breaking the law for making stuff for mugen and have no right to be an author?

First you quit a forum and get banned for something silly, now this?

Really cementing yourself as someone who can't take feedback and would rather cry like a baby then actually listening to anyone. How sad. Really, it takes more work to spite people like this then leave a line of credit lol

Can your next codename be "Mugen forum crybaby" next?

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#70  July 08, 2018, 07:53:29 pm
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 07:35:48 pm
the capcom doesn´t authorize anyone to use your work because the trademark and copyright.

Instead they leave us use their assets and consider Mugen as fanart. Inform yourself before making such ignorant assumptions.

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#71  July 08, 2018, 07:57:16 pm
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this thread already tired me......this a complete waste of time.
Then, you know, stop posting? lol

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Can your next codename be "Mugen forum crybaby" next?
Nice idea, lol.

But, honestly speaking, this thread should be closed no? Nothing good will come from here.
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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#72  July 08, 2018, 08:03:36 pm
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 07:35:48 pm

My sprites,stuff,stages are capcom property i haven´t obligation to give credits to anyone.

the capcom doesn´t authorize anyone to use your work because the trademark and copyright.

neither me and anyone has the right to be author, only editor.

my next files won´t contain no more names, only the companies (capcom,snk and etc)

my codename don´t matter more, to show that i don´t want recognition more, i will remove
my codename of all my works.

end of question.
then grow a pair of balls and code your shit from scratch and don't use other people's code.
their code doesn't belong to capcom, its 100% theirs.
https://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2469816 said:
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#73  July 08, 2018, 08:05:13 pm
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Here I was, thinking Mazeemerald had actually changed.

Nope, come on man.

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#74  July 08, 2018, 08:09:58 pm
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 07:35:48 pm

My sprites,stuff,stages are capcom property i haven´t obligation to give credits to anyone.

the capcom doesn´t authorize anyone to use your work because the trademark and copyright.

neither me and anyone has the right to be author, only editor.

my next files won´t contain no more names, only the companies (capcom,snk and etc)

my codename don´t matter more, to show that i don´t want recognition more, i will remove
my codename of all my works.

end of question.

you're an idiot.

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#75  July 08, 2018, 08:59:53 pm
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#76  July 08, 2018, 09:08:10 pm
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lmao get fucked

can we just post that to anyone that uses the "capcom doesnt allow you to use their trademark" excuse

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#77  July 08, 2018, 09:21:58 pm
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It should be the first thing to do every time something like this happens.

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#78  July 08, 2018, 09:45:31 pm
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I do not understand these psychotic outbreaks that Capcomnator / Mezemerald have, he erred before with a strange problem, he left, and now that he came back producing more things and better than before (the material he edits is good), he suddenly does that . And the worst: it's for a VERY silly reason. I do not understand, honestly.

CAPCOMNATOR, man, get on with it and you'll edit more things because your work is good, Mugen is about editing things and always will be.

PS: I downloaded all of your stages, why you make this confusion man?

It's childish, and you're showing it in the worst possible way. Where's the grown-up person who came back here?

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#79  July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
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with the modernity many people has not more interesting in mugen, and many forums are down now.
in a few years they probably will be deactivated soon.

there are many ghost forums and inexistent download links.

It's very primitive, someone wants recognition for nothing.

mugen has not importance in our lives, it´s only a simple retro pass time.

don´t matter who makes this or that, nobody gets money with it.

i think the people take mugen seriously too much.

the only thing that matter to me is just to play the file in mugen.

i only share my works just to avoid the file loss on my pc.

mugen is only a fantasy, don´t need no glory.

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#80  July 08, 2018, 10:30:59 pm
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Stop being insane

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#81  July 08, 2018, 10:31:59 pm
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm

It's very primitive, someone wants recognition for nothing.

mugen is only a fantasy, don´t need no glory.

Bullshit. Work is work, and people deserve credit and recognition for the work they put into something, hobby or otherwise. How serious it is is up to the person doing the work. It's not up to you to decide its worth to others.

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#82  July 08, 2018, 10:33:23 pm
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm

with the modernity many people has not more interesting in mugen, and many forums are down now.
in a few years they probably will be deactivated soon.

there are many ghost forums and inexistent download links.

It's very primitive, someone wants recognition for nothing.

mugen has not importance in our lives, it´s only a simple retro pass time.

don´t matter who makes this or that, nobody gets money with it.

i think the people take mugen seriously too much.

the only thing that matter to me is just to play the file in mugen.

i only share my works just to avoid the file loss on my pc.

mugen is only a fantasy, don´t need no glory.

ah nice, the good ol off topic switch

i like how you didn't even address how alexsin literally proved you wrong about capcom caring about making stuff for mugen. weren't we all breaking the law according to you? : )

stop changing your point of view and stick with one, you're just sounding like a guy who makes excuses at this point.

the only person who sounds like they're looking for "glory" and taking it too seriously to the point you remove author names, is you.

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#83  July 08, 2018, 10:48:26 pm
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i will release my files with generic names, who wants to put the author name below is just to open the file and adding it.
neither ever i use a base of other, sometimes a put the sprites from zero that are download on net.

i love this word "generic".... it solve many things!!! credits for anyone.... only a ghost.

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#84  July 08, 2018, 11:00:54 pm
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:48:26 pm
i will release my files with generic names, who wants to put the author name below is just to open the file and adding it.
neither ever i use a base of other, sometimes a put the sprites from zero that are download on net.

i love this word "generic".... it solve many things!!! credits for anyone.... only a ghost.

I want to be very clear on this. You aren't fooling anyone. No one here thinks this is about you making an artistic stand.

You got caught being an asshole, and now you are trying to bullshit your way out of it by rambling endless about copyright and removing credit.

Last Edit: July 09, 2018, 12:01:49 am by Eric The Nihilist

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#85  July 08, 2018, 11:15:59 pm
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 it´s very fun like the humans are people active only for unpleasant comments, when i released a stage, a little amount of guys came to make some good comment about the stages, but are smart enough to come here only to make comments with the only reason to do confusion with your opinions.

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#86  July 08, 2018, 11:18:16 pm
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This guy is the same one also known as mazemerald?
The problem is not just to take something, edit it and upload it, in my case is about spend several years in doing something decent and then someone else just put his name on it, change here and there and end up being something much worse than you want or expect.

In fact, he is the reason why I have decided to take my time to complete and share my project until reaching a good final result, being it just a personal hobby goal.
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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#87  July 08, 2018, 11:20:43 pm
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here on this forum i will talk only with the pleasant peoples, the boring and unplesant people will be totally ignored, i won´t waste my fingers typing for nothing.

if you don´t like my works,so it´s better ignore me and looking for another post more interesting.

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#88  July 08, 2018, 11:49:25 pm
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Damn...welp. This guy is stupid. :mwhy:

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#89  July 09, 2018, 12:17:32 am
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He's on at least a monthlong vacation now

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#90  July 09, 2018, 01:19:54 am
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
with the modernity many people has not more interesting in mugen, and many forums are down now.
in a few years they probably will be deactivated soon.
there are many ghost forums and inexistent download links.
So?
Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
It's very primitive, someone wants recognition for nothing.
You didn't read anything, that's good to know.
Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
mugen has not importance in our lives, it´s only a simple retro pass time.

i think the people take mugen seriously too much.
Hmm... just like you making this topic, calling yourself a "diff organizer" and all that stuff?

Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
the only thing that matter to me is just to play the file in mugen.
i only share my works just to avoid the file loss on my pc.
But you just said that:
Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
with the modernity many people has not more interesting in mugen, and many forums are down now.
in a few years they probably will be deactivated soon.
there are many ghost forums and inexistent download links.


Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
mugen is only a fantasy, don´t need no glory.
Getting all philosophical for nothing, I see.
Also double negative, so you want glory. :P
"Mugen is only a fantasy, I need glory" that's what you're saying.

Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:48:26 pm
neither ever i use a base of other, sometimes a put the sprites from zero that are download on net.
i love this word "generic".... it solve many things!!! credits for anyone.... only a ghost.
Are you by any chance that famous Chuchoryu friend who would give him stuff without telling him where he found it? I'm projecting but that's the mentality you shouldn't have but you're displaying here: lack of respect for anybody involved.

Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 10:48:26 pm
neither ever i use a base of other, sometimes a put the sprites from zero that are download on net.
Sky79 proved you wrong.

Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 11:20:43 pm
if you don´t like my works,so it´s better ignore me and looking for another post more interesting.
And the classic "if you don't like it don't download it" approach, cool.



MangeX said, July 08, 2018, 11:18:16 pm
This guy is the same one also known as mazemerald?
Yes, he is mazemerald.

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#91  July 09, 2018, 01:20:25 am
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Mugen Stuff Editor said, July 08, 2018, 07:35:48 pm

My sprites,stuff,stages are capcom property i haven´t obligation to give credits to anyone.



The characters are CAPCOM property too.. if you do a drawing of Ryu that took you weeks, who´s the author? you that you drew him? or CAPCOM that created Ryu?
Well.. the mugen thing is exactly the same.

You can edit anything you want, but give credits to other people that were involved into those characters, it takes you nothing.. minutes or seconds.
What is the problem?
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#92  July 09, 2018, 01:53:03 am
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Welp, he's totally convinced me.  Alice is very obviously not my property, doesn't matter that I even came up with some new sprites for her.  So for her next update, I'm gonna change her authorname from "Baby Bonnie Hood" to "Fuuki and also Capcom, Marvel, Intelligent Systems, id Software, Raven Software, Taito, Beat Takeshi, Konami, Nintendo, Square Enix, Broderbund Software, Mattel, Filmation, Sega, Midway Games, Arika, Rare, Redigit and Blue, Microsoft, ICOM Simulations, Toby Fox, and Eric Ball".

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#93  July 09, 2018, 02:03:17 am
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You can only do that if you add the proton cannon

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#94  July 09, 2018, 02:15:17 am
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#95  July 09, 2018, 05:18:45 am
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I don't think he'll be around anymore to watch that, and he probably won't learn anything even if he did.

...oh man, I forgot to mention TSR up there.  Giving a lack of credits isn't as easy as it seems.

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#96  July 09, 2018, 06:17:26 am
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you can't act like a lone wolf while still leeching off others. if you think so little of mugen creators then man up and code your stuff without using their code right? but you won't will you?
you're mediocre. you pride yourself on being a def organizer (what the hell is that supposed to mean?). putting effort into things is too much for you, thats why you'll never understand how those guys feel when you remove their names from their creations. because you don't recognize and appreciate effort.

good thing you're banned.
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#97  July 10, 2018, 01:20:14 am
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Honestly, his new stages didn't look bad, but it's obvious why now: he didn't make them.

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#98  July 10, 2018, 01:33:38 am
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Jesuszilla said, July 10, 2018, 01:20:14 am
Honestly, his new stages didn't look bad, but it's obvious why now: he didn't make them.

Long before this thread was made, I thought to myself: "Mazemerald/Capcomnator does a better job at making stages, but not characters." And then JZ's comment opened my eyes.

I really hate to say this, but... This guy is not talented at all. Making half assed characters, and leeching off the hard work of other creators like Gennos said.

I should have known he'd end up in hot water again, despite one of his past threads saying he wanted to redeem himself and improve.

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#99  July 10, 2018, 02:18:44 am
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He really had me fooled with those stages... It's sad to see in the .def files of the stages the original authors aren't named. Turned out he didn't change one bit and claimed he did. Continuing to destroy his own reputation, if he had any.
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#100  July 10, 2018, 02:41:46 am
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Okay okay quick question.... if someone was to use someone's sff and different pieces of code here and there what would that be considered as? Serious question....

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#101  July 10, 2018, 02:47:48 am
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If you're asking what would be considered an edit, I move topics based on how much can be perceived as your work. Even if you used a template, I won't mess with it.

If you're asking whether we're gonna crack down on you if you don't credit for the stuff you used, nah. But you get found out that's on you.
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#102  July 10, 2018, 03:56:01 am
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EndlessDream said, July 10, 2018, 01:33:38 am
This guy is not talented at all. Making half assed characters, and leeching off the hard work of other creators like Gennos said.

Does that mean his Mack the Knife (assuming it is his) is actually crap and no one just had the heart to tell him?

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#103  July 10, 2018, 04:29:13 am
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Indeed. In defense of Mazemerald/Capcomnator/Whatever he calls himself, I have to say that this guy is DEFINITELY not talentless. As my evidence, I use his "Street Fighter 1" screenpack I still like, even though now I prefer 16:9.





That was one of his screenpacks before he went too deep in his later Templated screenpack streak. As you can see, it was really good, even though not flawless. And I sure if he'll want to- he will do something like this again. But it seems he just got TOO lazy- it's easier to make other people stages yours, to make screenpack identical to each other and STILL being praised [Looking at MMV...].

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#104  July 10, 2018, 10:06:02 am
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yeah, no. While I don't understand his stance regarding authorship of fanart (I assume it has to be cultural thing or maybe a result of machine translation) but calling him talentless is straight out wrong. His Mack the Knife spritesheet is some of the best sprite work I've seen released here over the years. Very faithful to the original game and beautifully animated.

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#105  July 10, 2018, 02:21:04 pm
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K4thos said, July 10, 2018, 10:06:02 am
His Mack the Knife spritesheet is some of the best sprite work I've seen released here over the years. Very faithful to the original game and beautifully animated.

From what I can see the animations have some issues; lack of frames, weird transitions and positions of things like hands and feet, etc. It's not incredibly terrible work, but don't let one thing take away from the driving point:

K4thos said, July 10, 2018, 10:06:02 am
but calling him talentless is straight out wrong.

This isn't wrong. You're wrong. Being talented would include crediting where credit is due, if you lack the talent to create from scratch. Being talented means being able to own up to the things you do instead of arbitrarily saying "everything was made by one company anyway, so no one else deserves credit."


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#106  July 10, 2018, 02:38:04 pm
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K4thos said, July 10, 2018, 10:06:02 am
His Mack the Knife spritesheet is some of the best sprite work I've seen released here over the years. Very faithful to the original game and beautifully animated.

uh. its a frankenstein edit with alot, and i do mean ALOT of animation errors. it's animated like crap with very stiff, awkwardly edited anims with bad positioning and so forth.

not alot of effort put into it.

saying his stuff is the best stuff you've seen in years is really overselling it ESPECIALLY when there's been amazing spritesets that are LEAGUES better than his stuff released on this forum. CvS Gouken, CvS Mina Makijina, Cyber Blue, Axel Stone, Tiffany Lords from Rival Schools, Spider-woman, Electro, Michelle Heart, Pure and Fur, Saki, Jubilee, fucking Dormammu, Deadpool, All of Sean Atltly's stuff, Jin Kazama, etc. are soooo much better.

if that's really the bar you set for yourself, you really gotta look into these other sprite sets alot more.

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#107  July 10, 2018, 05:36:49 pm
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I've seen a fair amount of authors quit due to people doing exactly this. Taking their work, barely editing it, deleting the original authors' name from the work and plastering their own name all over it, then try some cop out bullshit like this to justify it. People like you hurt this community more than anything. You act like you can't take a fucking second to include the original author's name. Yet you can take the time to delete their name and mass edit a bunch of shit. No, there's no rule against it, though it will NEVER be accepted. So, fuck you and anyone else who thinks they're so entitled to the hard work people put in to this.

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#108  July 10, 2018, 08:18:43 pm
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Maze... These guys were 100% right.
I used to like your chars, but now they aren't just good.

You have lost many fans and that's a problem.

Good luck on your own and one day, you will understand why.
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#109  July 11, 2018, 01:18:59 am
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K4thos said, July 10, 2018, 10:06:02 am
His Mack the Knife spritesheet is some of the best sprite work I've seen released here over the years.

You must have not seen a lot, then.  Because even over a decade ago, there are characters with sprite work more amazing than that.

Like her:


You know what the best part is?  She's a completely original character; a very talented person made all her sprites from scratch, there's no editing and frankenspriting any existing company assets here.

On a side note, I guess she'd be one of the exceptions where Mr. Anonymous MUGEN Editor will actually credit her to her author instead of a company.

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#110  July 11, 2018, 01:53:57 am
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I remember him stealing my Gundam BA2 lifebar, don't know if he stealing more fromm me, but since his "work" didn't draw my attention and I don't follow the releases as I used to, I cant say. But when I said to him, "hey man, that's my lifebar and you just recolored it and you erased the author name" he replyied "I don't want the glory of being a creator". I realized he's a lost cause. Fuck, it's just about recognization like was told here before. If you're using someone work as base, what's the problem of a fucking mention? If he says he don't want the "glory" should be even easier to say "hey, it's that guy's work". What a sucker.
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And let's not forget when he uploaded an incomplete Edward Falcon. Incomplete because the spriter stopped working on him, but that didn't stop Mazemerald from making another half-assed character out of it.

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#112  July 11, 2018, 06:51:22 am
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Baby Bonnie Hood said, July 11, 2018, 01:18:59 am
K4thos said, July 10, 2018, 10:06:02 am
His Mack the Knife spritesheet is some of the best sprite work I've seen released here over the years.

You must have not seen a lot, then.  Because even over a decade ago, there are characters with sprite work more amazing than that.

Like her:


You know what the best part is?  She's a completely original character; a very talented person made all her sprites from scratch, there's no editing and frankenspriting any existing company assets here.

On a side note, I guess she'd be one of the exceptions where Mr. Anonymous MUGEN Editor will actually credit her to her author instead of a company.

Other example: Dragon Claw, by Reu Ben Kee.

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#113  July 11, 2018, 08:39:09 am
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Baby Bonnie Hood, Walruslui, I agree that my post was a bit hyperbolic after checking fanart made by other guys mentioned in this topic. There are tons of awesome spritesheets released on this site that I wasn’t aware of. Still I like Mack the Knife sprite work and hope he won't give up on Ginzu sprites due to (hyperbolic, imo) criticism of his work on Mack.

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This isn't wrong. You're wrong. Being talented would include crediting where credit is due, if you lack the talent to create from scratch.
Including credit is "not being an asshole". Can't see how being one makes you talentless.

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Being talented means being able to own up to the things you do instead of arbitrarily saying "everything was made by one company anyway, so no one else deserves credit."
Again, that's what we call "not being weird/awkward" rather than being talented.
Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 10:32:36 am by K4thos

Iori730

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#114  July 11, 2018, 09:13:02 pm
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Don't see why you guys just bashing this guy for non credit, especially since you know it's an edit.
It's not like you can just create a character with a few programs and  clicks. Also, how can he just go hunt for the source especially when starting out??
That's not how you start creating a character.

All of the creators/editors stole most of what's out there, to get where they are now. The Guild even gave Elecbyte a hard time. So, why bash this guy for his edits? It's there for you to use in his section. Good or not. You can use it.

Mugen Guild did a damn good job sorting all the fun stuff founded and created. So don't ban the guy, that's just BS.
Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 09:17:18 pm by Iori730

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Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#115  July 11, 2018, 09:20:32 pm
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He knew the source, actively removed the credit, and tried to pass the entire work as his own
Nevermind, there's nothing I can do
Bet your life there's something killing you
It's a shame we have to die, my dear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
What a way to go, but have no fear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
It's a shame we have to disappear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time, this time, this time

Iced

Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#116  July 11, 2018, 10:25:37 pm
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No one cares about the permissions argument. if you are going to say, like he did, that he would actively remove the credits of anything as he reuploads it then you are just trying to muddy the waters and being an asshole to those before you.

Nothing prevents him from just admiting where his materials come from instead of acting as if its all a causality that just happens to not have readmes anymore.
Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 10:37:00 pm by Iced

Iori730

Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#117  July 11, 2018, 11:39:33 pm
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Nobody cares for the stealing/permissions part?? Iced? It was a big deal before though, Haha

-  Now we lost Chucho and Mazemerald.
  Guys, come on big deal. He tainted himself, but I still want to see editors/coders/Sounders,/cosplayers/M.Bison, making stuff here. And getting better.

Just the ban. No need, he was going to remove his name, and
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Suggestion:
 Moderators put  a RED CAUTION tape near shady creators/artists?

Example:
"DR.DOOM REFUSES TO GIVE CREDIT, FOOT DIVE AT YOUR OWN RISK"

@Maze,
Just Add your name, not remove the original author name.
I want you to create, add more. MoARR. More power.
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lui

Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#118  July 11, 2018, 11:57:58 pm
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permissions were removed as a requirement a long time ago, they led to some really toxic things going on.

again, credit ISNT required but if you're found out people will def egg on you for it,

maze wasnt specifically banned for either, he was banned for lying which IS against the rules and constantly talking down to people and basically just avoiding the actual issue, just like chucho

Bastard Mami

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#119  July 12, 2018, 12:32:39 am
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Orochi Gill

Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#120  July 12, 2018, 12:40:28 am
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EndlessDream said, July 11, 2018, 05:58:23 am
And let's not forget when he uploaded an incomplete Edward Falcon. Incomplete because the spriter stopped working on him, but that didn't stop Mazemerald from making another half-assed character out of it.

Best was the time he ripped Beximus' Devilotte from his fullgame by cutting screenshots. Sloppily.

lui

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#121  July 12, 2018, 12:57:59 am
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eventually someone hacked the game she was sprited for and just outright gave devilotte to him (in an unfinished state) hence why no more updates happened from him

Jesuszilla

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#122  July 12, 2018, 01:00:24 am
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Oh is that who this guy is? Yeah fuck him, then. I can't really forgive something that low and impatient.

Odb718

Re: I AM NOT AN AUTHOR/CREATOR.... NOW I AM ONLY A MUGEN EDITOR
#123  July 12, 2018, 10:20:58 am
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So I think from now on, when/if this guy posts anything, I'll just edit his name out and replace it with mine.
He obviously wont care 1 way or the other because he's just that cool.

@Koopa901: When I steal a chunk of code from a character I'll do a little
;---Taken from ***-------
or
[Statedef 3549]; 9020 EDITED from KoopaKoot's "Shiki"
above the state(s). This way, if someone's trying to recreate what I've made into something else, then they'll be able to track down the source.
If it's just 1 hitdef or something completely frivolous to remake, I don't think credits are in order.

At this point, I think Tyler's telling Jack to tell Marla, "This conversation is over."
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