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OHMSBY's WIP thread: Kirby
#1  April 09, 2019, 11:38:26 pm
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Kirby has been released. You can heck him out here:

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kirby-186763.0.html

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 Makes me wish there were King Dedede sprites of this level of quality because I sure as hell would like a good Dedede for MUGEN :P

 I feel like Ultra Sword could use an extra hit or two to give the Distortion Drive that aggressive oomph to it.

 Also, will he have a different mid-air jump from the rest of your cast in a similar vain to how his multiple mid-air jumps work in Smash?

 Also, an idea that just popped into mind is this WIP thread (or a future thread, whatever works better for you) is some sort of discussion on Copy comparability where authors could probably pitch in and suggest their own characters for certain Copy modes (preferably setting a qualification criteria so that you don't get flooded with too many author requests). Not necessarily a must, but it just sounded like a fun idea that came into mind.
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Makes me wish there were King Dedede sprites of this level of quality because I sure as hell would like a good Dedede for MUGEN :P

You and me both. I would absolutely LOVE to work on King Dedede.

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I feel like Ultra Sword could use an extra hit or two to give the Distortion Drive that aggressive oomph to it.

I wanted Ultra Sword to be as close to how it was in Return to Dreamland as possible and in that game, it only hits once for each enemy it comes into contact with.

So instead, I made the pausetime a little longer, made the slash effect bigger, increased the envshake, and had the medium slash sound play along with the hard slash sound, and I think it really helped add that extra oomph.
https://streamable.com/a6k2k

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Also, will he have a different mid-air jump from the rest of your cast in a similar vain to how his multiple mid-air jumps work in Smash?

He already does.
https://streamable.com/2smf7

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Also, an idea that just popped into mind is this WIP thread (or a future thread, whatever works better for you) is some sort of discussion on Copy comparability where authors could probably pitch in and suggest their own characters for certain Copy modes (preferably setting a qualification criteria so that you don't get flooded with too many author requests). Not necessarily a must, but it just sounded like a fun idea that came into mind.

Ooh, that could be fun. It's probably best to do it here rather than in a new thread. First post has been updated.

Also, I might as well ask this now. What copy abilities should Your Haruhi and Mio give? I'm having a hard time deciding for those two.
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Also, I might as well ask this now. What copy abilities should Your Haruhi and Mio give? I'm having a hard time deciding for those two.

 Mio would mostly likely fit with the Mirror ability given her gameplay is based on mimicking moves referencing whatever she cosplays as.

 Haruhi, that one may be a little tougher, but I'm inclined on Plasma ability due to having a fair amount of plasma based attacks in her moveset (I'd go with Sword ability to reference an RPG-inspired spin-off where Haruhi wields a lance, but Sayaka has that one covered already and there is other sword users I consider in the future). Beam is an alternative as a reference of her unknowingly giving Mikuru the ability to shoot beams from her eyes in the novel/anime.

 Seeing as I'll be releasing Doppel Nanase around this month, hers will be pretty obvious; Suplex ability due to being a grappler.
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#5  April 10, 2019, 04:25:43 am
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Kirby, eh? That's so cool! :D
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Mio would mostly likely fit with the Mirror ability given her gameplay is based on mimicking moves referencing whatever she cosplays as.

That makes sense. I suppose I could use that cosplay logic for Kirino from DBFC as well. I was struggling to come up with an ability for her until now.

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Haruhi, that one may be a little tougher, but I'm inclined on Plasma ability due to having a fair amount of plasma based attacks in her moveset (I'd go with Sword ability to reference an RPG-inspired spin-off where Haruhi wields a lance, but Sayaka has that one covered already and there is other sword users I consider in the future). Beam is an alternative as a reference of her unknowingly giving Mikuru the ability to shoot beams from her eyes in the novel/anime.

Alright, Plasma it is then.

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Seeing as I'll be releasing Doppel Nanase around this month, hers will be pretty obvious; Suplex ability due to being a grappler.

I knew it.



Anyway, here's a few more of Kirby's copy abilities. Needle, Cutter, and Ninja:

https://streamable.com/yvmdg
https://streamable.com/dd5jj
https://streamable.com/vugyu
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#7  April 12, 2019, 05:59:16 am
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One question:

Will he have the ability types based on the Smash Bros. fighters, too?
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#8  April 12, 2019, 06:54:38 am
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Nope, he'll just have the copy abilities from the main series Kirby games.

I will add compatability for the other smash bros. fighters though (Mario gives fire, Link gives sword, Pikachu gives plasma, etc).
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Since you're working on character compatibility with Kirby, I've been spending a few days compiling a list of characters for games like Eternal Fighter Zero and Touhou. However, I haven't finalized it yet as I can't think of what copy ability is better for characters with air/wind, water, all elemental magic, etc. Do you have any ideas? Since sucking Kuroko would give me Ninja, I think I got a good idea with any with teleportation abilities. I also have a list for Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax too, but it looks like you are already covering it.

Also, if Kirby would fight himself and inhales him, would nothing happen?
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#13  April 12, 2019, 09:21:45 am
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Actually, Kirby will get the Mirror ability from himself, due to the fact that it's a Mirror Match.

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I can't think of what copy ability is better for characters with air/wind, water, all elemental magic, etc.

Characters that are associated with the element of water could give the Ice ability. Ice is frozen water after all.

I would associate Air/Wind with the cutter ability due to the cutter blades working like a boomerang (which uses airflow).

As for characters that use all of the elements, I'd just go with the element that is used most in the moveset (Even though Nine the Phantom uses fire, ice, and wind, she gives the fire ability due to it being used much more in her moveset). If the character doesn't seem to use any element more than the other, then I'd just pick one at random.

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I also have a list for Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax too, but it looks like you are already covering it.

I might as well post what I got so far for the DBFC copy ability list:
Spoiler: Playable cast of Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax (click to see content)

Admittedly, Index, Toradora, Valkyria, and Virtua Fighter are the only represented franchises in DBFC that I'm actually familiar with. So, the list was mostly made based on each of the characters' movesets in mind rather than their source material. I'm curious to see your list as well.
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Oooh snap.  This looks to be one of your more ambitious projects.  Looking forward to see how it turns out.

Out of curiosity are you considering incorporating Messatsu's Character trait identifiers for checking additional copy ability possibilities on incompatible characters?

Admittedly, I'm not sure how many creators actually use these.
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Actually, Kirby will get the Mirror ability from himself, due to the fact that it's a Mirror Match.

(rimshot)

Will Stone be an ablility? Cause I have the perfect opponent for that... The Thing.
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#17  April 14, 2019, 06:07:56 am
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Will Stone be an ablility? Cause I have the perfect opponent for that... The Thing.

Unfortunately, no. Stone is already a part of Kirby's main moveset, and there isn't enough sprites to work with to make stone it's own seperate copy ability.

I suppose The Thing could give the hammer ability instead, since stone and hammer tend to share the same properties in the main series.



Anyway, I have a few more abilities to show off. Mirror, Beam, and Plasma:
https://streamable.com/fpovw
https://streamable.com/t614v
https://streamable.com/pemb0

I've also made a copy ability list for the playable cast of Guilty Gear Accent Core:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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#19  April 14, 2019, 08:47:01 pm
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Question: what happens if Kirby swallows someone he isn't compatible with?
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 No prob, glad that you're having fun with putting helpers into custom state.
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#23  April 15, 2019, 05:01:59 pm
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Kirby is enjoying me more and more.

Speaking of other things, watch this game. You know it?


I wonder if the "Ohmsby style" can work with these characters too...
Last Edit: April 15, 2019, 05:13:57 pm by Gladiacloud
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#24  April 16, 2019, 04:47:39 am
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I actually have heard of Daemon Bride. It does look cool, but unfortunately, I don't have the means to play it.

I suppose if I were to work on a character from an Examu game outside of Arcana Heart, it would be a character from Nitroplus Blasterz.

Here are a couple more Copy Abilities. Bomb and Yo-yo:
https://streamable.com/0w924
https://streamable.com/al17h
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omg that looks so awesome keep it up
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#28  April 18, 2019, 04:28:44 am
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that looks amazing!
if I'd say anything about it is that the woosh sounds are a little weird during the slashes, aside from that it's pretty much perfect
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#30  April 18, 2019, 01:09:46 pm
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Sorry for the delay, here's the list for the Touhou characters. This list mostly focus on the ones made by RicePigeon and Kohaku, hence I also added their names along with it as theirs are specific. Feel free to modify the list if you think one sounds better:
Spoiler: Playable cast of Touhou (click to see content)

Will be posting the list for Eternal Fighter Zero later as I'm currently trying to find others with specific character names.
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#31  April 18, 2019, 08:04:40 pm
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I never would have thought that Kirby would be able to do something like that...  Really impresive.
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#34  April 19, 2019, 05:30:18 am
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Here's the Hammer Ability:
https://streamable.com/b2sw1

if I'd say anything about it is that the woosh sounds are a little weird during the slashes, aside from that it's pretty much perfect

Yeah. I do intend to fix up those woosh sounds a little bit before I have him released.

Sorry for the delay, here's the list for the Touhou characters.

Thank you SolidZone. Having the def names listed on the side is especially helpful. The only one that seems a little off to me Suika giving the Mirror ability, I figured that she should give the Fire ability.

Anyway, here's a couple more Copy Ability lists that I came up with.
Spoiler: Playable cast of Darkstalkers 3 (click to see content)
Spoiler: Playable cast of Melty Blood: Actress Again (click to see content)
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#35  April 20, 2019, 03:25:25 am
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Here is Kirby's Astral Finish:
https://streamable.com/dbq5v

OMG, That looks awesome!

Also, I've got the copy ability list for non-anime characters
Spoiler: Playable cast of non-anime characters (click to see content)

Also, just to let you know. You should have your version of Kirby use the Road Roller Da! hyper as a Level 3 hyper, but with a warp star instead of a steamroller.

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#36  April 21, 2019, 07:36:50 am
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Here are the last two copy abilities, Spear and Ice:
https://streamable.com/6o1r3
https://streamable.com/oo3ac

Now that all of the Copy abilities are done, Kirby is now in the post production phases of development (Coding the AI, balancing, making things look and sound better, and copy compatability with more characters). So, it shouldn't be too long before he's released.
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#37  April 21, 2019, 11:22:55 pm
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aghhh, i'm so torn.. i've been waiting so long for the perfect kirby and all of the ideas and mechanics here are incredible, but... those d4 sprites dude!!!! i just can't get behind them!!
i guess i'll grin and bear it, though.. as if i'd pass up something this amazing over a dopey kirby model!
excited to see how this turns out - good luck with the final stages of production!
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#38  April 25, 2019, 05:03:36 am
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Here's some gameplay footage:
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Those sprites don't look aligned, man.
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#40  April 25, 2019, 06:31:46 am
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Yeah, there's still a bit of touching up to do.
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Kirby looks awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only little bit of feedback I have, is when he does his slide/twirl winpose dance, have him turn first if he is facing away from the center of the screen.  Or at least if he's close to the edge of the screen.

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#42  April 27, 2019, 12:26:52 am
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Yeah, there's still a bit of touching up to do.

I've got a suggestion:
When the enemy combos Kirby at a random of 10 times, he'll lose his copy ability and return to his normal state (Just like in the Kirby games)
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#43  April 27, 2019, 08:56:42 pm
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The only little bit of feedback I have, is when he does his slide/twirl winpose dance, have him turn first if he is facing away from the center of the screen.  Or at least if he's close to the edge of the screen.

Good call. It certainly makes it look better now that he'll no longer scoot in place when he's in the corner.
https://streamable.com/168a6

I've got a suggestion:
When the enemy combos Kirby at a random of 10 times, he'll lose his copy ability and return to his normal state (Just like in the Kirby games)

I actually had this implemented recently. However, it triggers under a different condition. It's whenever Kirby takes a hit that deals damage greater than or equal to a certain amount.
https://streamable.com/1ep3n


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I've got a suggestion:
If a character has more than one ability It will randomize into whatever just like in super star
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#45  April 30, 2019, 10:58:16 pm
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Pretty sure OHMSBY is only gonna have one ability per character, no doubles.
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Yo, I'm kinda late to the party, did you edit some of those sprites yourself? The entire thing seems pretty interesting and I'm intrigued. Must've been a pain going through those sprites, the reason d4kirby is big is because he's got tons of sprites (and sounds).

I've been meaning to ask though, in case.. no one asked-- You know that there are some characters that can't be grabbed, right? Eventually meaning that Kirby's inhale will not work at all with some characters.
So, just like the default d4kirby, are you gonna give this one something like a copy essence mode too? Like, basically Kirby will not have to rely on inhaling opponents, and rather, on switching abilities himself? (No need for opponents to inhale, and just like the original, you basically have a gauge which fills up as you keep hitting opponents. For half the full gauge, you can switch to any ability you want.)

Additionally, I'm surprised you've gone as far as adding more abilities. Yo-yo existed in default d4kirby, but it seems like it was either unfinished or scrapped? I've got to say, I have been editing normal d4kirby tons and tons, adding and removing stuff--and you know what? I think I'm just gonna go ahead and try giving him some abilities (if that's possible...)

By the way, I'm really interested in the mirror reflection code, what's it again? Do you just put a helper in a custom state?

And finally, his, sword, fighter, and some other abilities also have unused sprites/even unused states. Like sword has Kirby's air + down B attack (i.e. from a game like KSS), but it's.. unused.

That's all I had to say, otherwise, good luck--I s'pose.

EDIT: I also really want to know how you uh.. managed to make palettes? Yeah, I'm very interested about that.
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By the way, I'm really interested in the mirror reflection code, what's it again? Do you just put a helper in a custom state?

 It actually derives from a code that I came up with a few months ago when I was working on Haruhi and I decided to recommend it to OHMSBY after seeing that he was working on a reflector, which prompted me to suggest an improvement over it.

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/versatile-projectile-reflector-186170.0.html

Nice! I'm actually interested in this, is it okay if I use it too? I've been working on a d4kirby edit.

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#49  May 20, 2019, 01:10:05 am
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Nice! I'm actually interested in this, is it okay if I use it too? I've been working on a d4kirby edit.

 Well, that's why I posted the thread, to get as many people who make reflectors in their characters to try out this system as much as possible.

 Also, OHMSBY did release Kirby several days ago, so, you might want to reply in that thread concerning this character to keep up-to-date more. :P