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Scandal in Poland "Mugen.pl" :/
#1  November 30, 2008, 08:56:04 pm
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Something bad happening in Poland. There is a site mugen.pl the admins nick is Rochal and that what he is doing is just unacceptable. I never saw such a BIG warehouse. I'm sure they do not have permiosion there are to many chars hosted like N64Mario84 works etc.
I think we need to do something with that.


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#2  November 30, 2008, 09:02:25 pm
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MFG and MI must join their troops...


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#3  November 30, 2008, 09:03:55 pm
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ive taken down bigger, but they arent bothering me nor my friends so i wont bother em
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#4  November 30, 2008, 09:05:46 pm
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Zeckle Laxxe: Warehouse killer

Look, if you want them down so badly just convince them to host his kirby. Then, the madness will start.
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If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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#5  November 30, 2008, 09:24:36 pm
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There are works of

N64Mario84
RyouWin
TgT
Binho
Scrollboss
Actarus
Erradicator
Cyanide
Rickie
BadDarkness
Basara-kun
Desh
Tin
HSR
Warner
EasyChar
Stever76
Muteki
mugenchina
RyouWin
Jo
Yann
XGargoyle
Rickie
Elecbyte
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#6  November 30, 2008, 09:25:31 pm
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you forgot elecbyte
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#7  November 30, 2008, 09:42:47 pm
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They not only have a warehouse but also many hotlinks   
I am angry because they lamers are trying to duplicate my page.
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#8  November 30, 2008, 09:48:12 pm
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lets call the site owner a fag or something
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#9  November 30, 2008, 09:53:22 pm
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God, I don't know who to be more irritated with; People who throw hissy fits over their stuff being hosted elsewhere, or people who think they'll be "MUGEN Messiahs" (yes I've heard a reuploader refer to himself as such) if they reupload stuff.
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#10  November 30, 2008, 09:57:16 pm
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#11  November 30, 2008, 10:11:18 pm
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ive taken down bigger, but they arent bothering me nor my friends so i wont bother em
How can you actually force someone to close a site on the internet? Mostly in situations like this where you can't take legal actions?
I know what the guy is doing is "bad" . . . but if i were in his position, what would make me change my mind?
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#12  November 30, 2008, 10:38:43 pm
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So he decided upload non DBZ stuff ? That's new  ;P Unfortunately I'm not sure what we can do with them. Rochal run his warehouse since I remember (around 2002 or something) and most funny thing he claim his site is first polish site about Mugen (like being warehouse is something he should be proud of). And his "messiah ideology" (I upload chars to save bandwith in creators sites) is ridiculus. Rules are far less strict than they was 2 years ago, and most people don't give a shit about warehousing so I guess he wil continue his actions. 
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#13  November 30, 2008, 11:11:34 pm
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People care about this still? It's the freaking internet. If you don't want people taking your stuff, don't put it on the freaking internet. That's why I've only released half of the things I've actually made...

That, and the fact I don't think the source materials I've been given for some of the requested stuff I've done are actually things they bothered to rip themselves...

But anyway, yeah. People are douches. Move on.


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#14  November 30, 2008, 11:22:09 pm
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ive taken down bigger, but they arent bothering me nor my friends so i wont bother em
How can you actually force someone to close a site on the internet? Mostly in situations like this where you can't take legal actions?
I know what the guy is doing is "bad" . . . but if i were in his position, what would make me change my mind?
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i did take legal action
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#15  November 30, 2008, 11:24:14 pm
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if you take legal action over mugen shit you're a massive douche hope this helps
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#16  November 30, 2008, 11:32:43 pm
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#17  November 30, 2008, 11:34:03 pm
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You could always try and find out where he lives and egg his house. Or leave a flaming fudge bomb on his doorstep. Those would go down real well.


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#18  November 30, 2008, 11:37:47 pm
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You could always try and find out where he lives and egg his house. Or leave a flaming fudge bomb on his doorstep. Those would go down real well.
Or better yet, we play The Prodigy, very loud, and have a giant rave, and when the police come, we say he arranged it.
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If they don't have SilentStrom by XCB why bother?  THAT'S WHAT ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE HOSTING
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#21  December 01, 2008, 01:47:58 am
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#22  December 01, 2008, 02:18:04 am
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Is not like, 80% ofthe stuff he is hosting opensource anyway ?
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#23  December 01, 2008, 03:54:13 am
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#24  December 01, 2008, 05:12:43 am
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#25  December 01, 2008, 06:20:52 am
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Hahahaha, this site makes me laugh...

Impressive, the only 2 chars in "original characters" directory are Eric and Blizzard :sugoi: Also, the 2 chars in "Final Fight 3" are my Shura and White Buffalo XD

Well, now I can say i'm in a warehouse. That makes me one of the "elite" I guess XDDDDDD

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#26  December 01, 2008, 07:17:24 am
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I don't mind my stuff hosted but i hope they haven't direct linked. Would not be happy with that. Use your own bandwidth thanks. Don't have val pay for your leeching. Thats not fair.

Ugh, need to register to find out.


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#27  December 01, 2008, 09:19:08 am
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Lets kill them all! XD
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#28  December 01, 2008, 11:34:52 am
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I don't mind my stuff hosted but i hope they haven't direct linked. Would not be happy with that. Use your own bandwidth thanks. Don't have val pay for your leeching. Thats not fair.

Ugh, need to register to find out.
I rather doubt they still hotlink stuff, before the site got updated almost all creations were direct linked, i was writing wikipedia mugen article and mention about the site unfair practices and got a respond from the creator saying i was lying so i showed him... they remodel the site for now and supposedly it changed. I created an account to check it out in early september and all the files were hosted localy.

The funny thing is that in order to download the stolen stuff you have to post in the forum to fill the ratio system. So basicly it's the same thing as requesting stuff here :D

Mugen drama, polish way XD
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#29  December 01, 2008, 04:18:19 pm
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#30  December 01, 2008, 04:24:40 pm
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#31  December 01, 2008, 05:23:50 pm
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they probably already filled a complaint saying the site has, like, childporn or something....




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#32  December 01, 2008, 06:44:35 pm
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#34  December 01, 2008, 08:39:56 pm
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My stuff is there, and he didn't even let me know about that... what an asshole.

Anyways, there's not much we can't do on the matter. He's paying his own server and he won't really change the way his site is modelled after all his efforts managing the site.

Besides, I found it much worse the guys that just place their mugen folder on eMule or P2P networks...
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#35  December 01, 2008, 08:46:50 pm
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That's a good point. I mean also esnips and stuff like that is worse. At the same time, we have all kinda accepted esnips we even tell people to try looking there before making a request.

I think it's strange that we pick and choose who can do some thing and who can't. Like this guy. We are calling him a fag and a whole thread was made to bitch about him. But we don't have threads currently running bitching about esnips and I bet most of the characters he is hosting without permission could be found on esnips.

The guy is still a Fag though, By the way Rajaa is banned for 5 months.
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#36  December 01, 2008, 11:07:25 pm
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I think it's strange that we pick and choose who can do some thing and who can't. Like this guy. We are calling him a fag and a whole thread was made to bitch about him. But we don't have threads currently running bitching about esnips and I bet most of the characters he is hosting without permission could be found on esnips.

I remember a certain clique who would use site rippers to bring down warehouses that had limited bandwidth, yet were crying like scared little babies when the people at something awful were the ones warehousing stuff.
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#37  December 01, 2008, 11:38:42 pm
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Because I really don't like when someone is calling me we are dumb fucks spamming this site for ten years, neither my mates, I need to explain some things to some people.

First of all - you need to understand our culture to fully understand what is this conflict about. Polish people are fuc*ing envious of each other, and if someone by his hard work is simply doing better - Poles are always trying to find a way to put him down. You know, just in case, so in oldschool-communism way we're still all equal.

I'm really surprised they have written post here, as it was only misunderstanding between 2 Polish websites (yes, the guy who's created this topic is representative of our 'competitor Polish website'). They ran out of arguments, so they have decided to look for backup somewhere else. Too bad they are wrong. Really.

Please don't be hypocrites. The fact you've born speaking english/portugese/spanish doesn't make you more or less lucky then us. Unfortunately, many of our visitors speak only Polish language so browsing for mugen creations using international websites is really difficult for them. You can't fell bad for us only because we promote your work within another community, in another country. Completely free of charge.

We all appreciate your work - Cyanide, XGargoyle, Basara Kon and rest. It's not like we are stealing anything from you. Because of www.mugen.pl / www.cmugen.com many, many people have heard your names, many of them visited your websites through our http://cmugen.com/Authors section. The true is - I have to pay big dollars each month to rent server as 100% of files ARE physically hosted on our own server. Every single byte of it. The only one person loosing on it is I. Polish people who've written in this topic are fuc*ing liars, don't listen to them and simply visit website and make your own opinion. I'm happy to hear all suggestions, how to improve website's usability and YOUR visibility.

I understand you might still don't like it. But please don't judge us only by opinion of some kids looking for flame.
Just slow down and take a deep breath it's all not worth it.

Remember, we do interesting stuff, we do try to give something back to mugen community. These are only few of our house-projects:
www.burstlimit.mugen.pl
www.alien.mugen.pl
www.gokax.mugen.pl

We also provide hosting for mugen creators under domains: www.YOU.cmugen.com & www.YOU.mugen.pl.
I will be more than pleased to offer something that silly like server space to anyone who deserves it. Just grab me via PM.

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Generally speaking, "warehouses" are now totally okay with us.
Big positive for you guys, because you understand what today's Internet is.
We are more than warehouse. Much More in a very good way.

I'm seriously asking moderators to close this topic before real flame starts. Note - many of users have called me fag without any reason.

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#38  December 01, 2008, 11:46:28 pm
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100% of files ARE physically hosted on our own server.
i want whoever that said otherwise to back up their claims of santo's website hotlinking to other servers

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I'm seriously asking moderators to close this topic before real flame starts. Note - many of users have called me fag without any reason.
i find this discussion interesting and this will stay open, should anyone make empty insult posts they'll be deleted
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#39  December 01, 2008, 11:47:23 pm
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I'm seriously asking moderators to close this topic before real flame starts. Note - many of users have called me fag without any reason.

don't worry about shamrock, he is a faq.
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#40  December 01, 2008, 11:49:44 pm
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The problem has nothing to do with being Polish. The problem people have with what you are doing is lack of permission of what you are hosting. I'm glad you came here and all but you may want to do something about that policy because some people like to cry about it.

Don't be offend by the fag thing it actually a joke and not is not meant to be taking seriously.

Read Titlin post. He's basically mocking the fact that there is a thread complaining about warehousing and saying something should be done about it. That's why he said we should call them Fag, it was a way of showing that you can't do anything about it and it's a waste of time.  I in fact was going along with that joke.

Sorry about the flame that has come your way but when you do something that a big portion of the community frowns on they are going to yell about it.

Most of us here think it's a big joke because nothing can be done about it and like I said in a previous post there are some sites people don't cry about that do the same thing.

If you don't like it I suggest asking for permission before hosting a character. If you don't care then just dust your shoulders off.
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#41  December 01, 2008, 11:51:08 pm
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i'd much rather call a warehouse owner a fag instead of using site rippers or taking legal action because that's downright pathetic. i wish people that were so concerned about warehouses did the same instead of trying to provide internet justice
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#42  December 02, 2008, 12:06:04 am
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I remember a old warehouse...with alot of Dbz chars..

And I remember old italian warehouses(mugenenciclopedia and others) that died after the burn of xoom.it..
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#43  December 02, 2008, 12:12:17 am
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Hey Titiln,

The funny thing is that the Fag thing is more effective than all the Pathetic stuff. I mean he said he came here because of the Fag thing not because people were making threats and stuff. LOL

If he changes how he does his warehouse to permission based then you would have done what many a program and a phone call couldn't do.
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#44  December 02, 2008, 05:06:54 am
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i'd much rather call a warehouse owner a fag instead of using site rippers or taking legal action because that's downright pathetic. i wish people that were so concerned about warehouses did the same instead of trying to provide internet justice
hey i did what i did, they hosted my stuff i asked politely they ignored i took legal action insert commas when needed
its not really pathetic to make sure people ask permission first before hosting, and listen to you when you want to have it taken down
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#45  December 02, 2008, 05:16:47 am
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no but its fucking pathetic to do it the way you did it.

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#46  December 02, 2008, 07:37:33 am
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I thought we didn't care? They haven't lied about it. Provided they're not direct linking (which i would consider much worse than just hosting as they're making you pay for their fun) there shouldn't really be an issue under our current rule set.

He's here cos everyone got into an uproar about his site. We won't ban him because he's come to defend himself.

Quite politely too i might add. That raises him in my estimation. He's done everything for rational and well thought out reasons. The end result may not be what a large number of you want, but at least he's not trying to "stick it to the man". He's allowing a huge number of non english speaking people to play and have fun. It would be like us expecting mugen china to enforce english speaking on their forum.

It's a hosted database.

One thing i would suggest as an addendum is providing links to the creators base website as well. That way people can look for other things the author has made that you haven't uploaded, or that might have been updated.


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#47  December 02, 2008, 09:05:42 am
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still can't figure out which kind of "legal actions" could you take in a case of "hosted database"  ???

and +1 to above post
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#48  December 02, 2008, 12:37:12 pm
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#49  December 02, 2008, 01:09:56 pm
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ive taken down bigger, but they arent bothering me nor my friends so i wont bother em
lol whatever.

Anyway, I thought official policy is that we don't care about warehouses because shutting one down means another is up and there are much more important things to worry about than bytes on a server.


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#50  December 02, 2008, 03:40:14 pm
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i only see it as a problem if they're direct linking and that can be easily solved by renaming the files anyway

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its not really pathetic to make sure people ask permission first before hosting, and listen to you when you want to have it taken down
didnt say it was pathetic (which is arguable) but taking legal action over it jesus fucking christ you have to be human scum to do that
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Child porn.
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#52  December 02, 2008, 04:23:24 pm
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I bet he doesn't use Torrent programs to download illegal MP3s, nor does he have premarital sex :)

HELL I BET HE DOESN'T EVEN USE MUGEN, SINCE THE LICENSE EXPIRED AND IT EXPLICITLY SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE PERMISSION TO USE IT SINCE SOME YEARS BACK!
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#53  December 02, 2008, 04:35:09 pm
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#54  December 02, 2008, 04:43:40 pm
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i only see it as a problem if they're direct linking and that can be easily solved by renaming the files anyway

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its not really pathetic to make sure people ask permission first before hosting, and listen to you when you want to have it taken down
didnt say it was pathetic (which is arguable) but taking legal action over it jesus fucking christ you have to be human scum to do that
not really, i just have to want my stuff down bad enough and be overly obsessive about it



I bet he doesn't use Torrent programs to download illegal MP3s, nor does he have premarital sex :)

HELL I BET HE DOESN'T EVEN USE MUGEN, SINCE THE LICENSE EXPIRED AND IT EXPLICITLY SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE PERMISSION TO USE IT SINCE SOME YEARS BACK!
dont listen to music, im a jew not a catholic, and no i dont use mugen, i live mugen, havent you seen my signature? XD
Child porn.
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#55  December 02, 2008, 04:48:24 pm
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Hah, "The Hidden Elect" was actually a "big warehouse"?  And taking legal action over a character that A: you didn't create (see:  Masahiro Sakurai created Kirby) and B: quite frankly sucks overall really is stupid.  If you made something like, oh I don't know, DragonClaw?  Then you could take legal action.
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#57  December 02, 2008, 05:40:42 pm
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Hah, "The Hidden Elect" was actually a "big warehouse"?  And taking legal action over a character that A: you didn't create (see:  Masahiro Sakurai created Kirby) and B: quite frankly sucks overall really is stupid.  If you made something like, oh I don't know, DragonClaw?  Then you could take legal action.
yes it was,it was the code, not the sprites or the appearance, lets stop going in this circle like usal ok?
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#58  December 02, 2008, 06:18:21 pm
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Shades team - I don't know any details regards to situation you guys talking about, but - if you've used ANY sprites from ANY official game, or movie, or anime (MK, SF, DBZ, MvsC etc etc) you broke some copyrights law.
Therefore you can't be that hypocrite, and you can't sue anyone because he hosted this character on his website, because in first place you are the one who broke the law.

Besides, the law of which country we're talking about? For calling people 'Fags' in my country you can get arrested. For hosting mugen characters.. lmao - no.
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#59  December 02, 2008, 06:25:43 pm
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Do you realize that if Mugen broke copyright law, action would have been taken already?

Most warehousers just can't think...
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#60  December 02, 2008, 06:32:54 pm
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It's called  'the object of low criminal value'.

Konami / Marvel / Capcom will not hunt for mugen creators because this case is too trivial. No one is making money on that.
Same with warehouses, they are not making money selling anything, therefore there is no big issue.

I'm not saying mugen broke law, I'm saying using copyrighted characters is potentially dodgy law-wise, but as I said it is still too trivial and no one will try to do anything about it.
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#61  December 02, 2008, 06:39:11 pm
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Shades team - I don't know any details regards to situation you guys talking about, but - if you've used ANY sprites from ANY official game, or movie, or anime (MK, SF, DBZ, MvsC etc etc) you broke some copyrights law.
Therefore you can't be that hypocrite, and you can't sue anyone because he hosted this character on his website, because in first place you are the one who broke the law.

Besides, the law of which country we're talking about? For calling people 'Fags' in my country you can get arrested. For hosting mugen characters.. lmao - no.
sprites were hand drawn err mouse drawn err were origional if you want to say it that way

It's called  'the object of low criminal value'.

Konami / Marvel / Capcom will not hunt for mugen creators because this case is too trivial. No one is making money on that.
Same with warehouses, they are not making money selling anything, therefore there is no big issue.

I'm not saying mugen broke law, I'm saying using copyrighted characters is potentially dodgy law-wise, but as I said it is still too trivial and no one will try to do anything about it.

capcom/snk already stated that they view mugen as fanart with their sprites
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#62  December 02, 2008, 06:43:18 pm
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ok, but what was that character? Anything what I could see in any movie, anime or game? Spiderman? Goku? Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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#63  December 02, 2008, 06:44:00 pm
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Yes the rule on warehouses stands as we don't care.

At the same time people can yell about it. There is something ethically wrong with hosting without permission. But Ethics are always determined by an individual. The most someone can do ask them not to do it and make a case why they shouldn't.

Taking legal action is way to extreme. I'm mean laxxe you and he both are not making any money off of this. He's not taking any food out of your mouth. Basically he it doing what he wants with a piece of art you made. Same thing when someone recreates Picasso. I don't think Picasso is rolling in his grave about it.

Don't let it bother you laxxe just update your stuff and then the crap he is hosting is obsolete.
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#64  December 02, 2008, 06:45:02 pm
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the character's code was copywritten nothing else was, and since the code can be sepparated from the sprites its very possible to copywrite the code
the character was kirby


Yes the rule on warehouses stands as we don't care.

At the same time people can yell about it. There is something ethically wrong with hosting without permission. But Ethics are always determined by an individual. The most someone can do ask them not to do it and make a case why they shouldn't.

Taking legal action is way to extreme. I'm mean laxxe you and he both are not making any money off of this. He's not taking any food out of your mouth. Basically he it doing what he wants with a piece of art you made. Same thing when someone recreates Picasso. I don't think Picasso is rolling in his grave about it.

Don't let it bother you laxxe just update your stuff and then the crap he is hosting is obsolete.
lol i need to keep pulling a byakko er baiken or what ever he goes by now
anyways thats behind me now, ive made peace with people and id like it to stay that way
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#65  December 02, 2008, 06:48:42 pm
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#66  December 02, 2008, 06:49:55 pm
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First of all - you need to understand our culture to fully understand what is this conflict about. Polish people are fuc*ing envious of each other, and if someone by his hard work is simply doing better - Poles are always trying to find a way to put him down. You know, just in case, so in oldschool-communism way we're still all equal.

..what the hell? you know we have the cliche of a car stealing pole around here in Germany, now I know where it comes from. That is a primitive attitude and being proud of it sets you down a step or two on the evolutionary scale.

We don't care about warehouses, it's an internet thing and doesn't hurt anyone. Yours is a funny country where people "find ways to put others down", but get punished for calling names.

Laxxe: You do realize that your attitude has made you infamous all around and people generally view you as a tight-assed bitch? ..yeah you probably do.
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#67  December 02, 2008, 06:51:24 pm
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hence why ive stopped preaching and obsessing
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#68  December 02, 2008, 06:54:34 pm
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..oh. Cool. Cool.
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#69  December 02, 2008, 07:01:28 pm
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@Shades team:

Kirby - Intellectual property of:  Nintendo Co., Ltd. 11-1 Hokotate-cho Kamitoba, Minami-ku, Kyoto 601-8501, Japan,

Trade mark registered in secotors:
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Therefore, looking at copyright law - yes, you did break it. Code is your intellectual property indeed, but character visualization not.

@anthonygamer:
It's not about using particular word. It's about being offensive using any public medium.

@Valodim:
You didn't understand the issue. Issue was about problem with naming-conventions between 2 Polish portals, not about warehousing in first place. Because our competitors had no true arguments, they have decided to write here, and blame us on international scene.
The issue was internal only, and stupid warehousing accusation was the last thing they could do.

The thing about Poles stealing cars is rasist and retarded. Frankly I'm not surprised with your intellectual level.

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I'm really not here to argue, so forgive me being rude, but you have no right writing sh*t like that.
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#70  December 02, 2008, 07:03:08 pm
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The thing about Poles stealing cars is rasist and retarded. Frankly I'm not surprised with your intellectual level.

You do realize you are insulting the person defending you?
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#71  December 02, 2008, 07:04:58 pm
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Well you're the one who said finding ways to put others who worked hard down was part of your culture.

However I mistook your statement about the other site for a justification of your own actions, probably because I didn't read all of this thread. For that I apologize.
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#72  December 02, 2008, 07:06:59 pm
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Oh great WWII Just started again.

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I'll stay out of it unless Japan gets involved.

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#74  December 02, 2008, 07:09:30 pm
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@Shades team:

Kirby - Intellectual property of:  Nintendo Co., Ltd. 11-1 Hokotate-cho Kamitoba, Minami-ku, Kyoto 601-8501, Japan,

Trade mark registered in secotors:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Therefore, looking at copyright law - yes, you did break it. Code is your intellectual property indeed, but character visualization not.

actually i did not, it was fanart visualization and fanart is not breaking the law (least in the states)
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#75  December 02, 2008, 07:12:03 pm
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No, I'm not trying to insult anyone. He is alright, and he has a lot of right in what he's saying.
I'm just saying this comparison was at least not fair and unacceptable.

@Valodim:
Yes I said it. Which is true. Stealing cars doesn't have anything to do with it ;)

@Shades:
And that is great, because I really would like to try your Kirby in my mugen. I'm just saying all people should be aware of different laws, including the one with hosting files.

WWII? You would be surprised how much Germany&Poland have currently in common... o_O
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#76  December 02, 2008, 07:13:04 pm
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Laxxe: ..yes it is. Fanart is generally tolerated and results in Cease & Desist at most, but there is no legal protection. See Nintendo's position on this matter on nintendo.com
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#81  December 02, 2008, 10:53:22 pm
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In that case, I'd watch out for Val.
I believe he's headed your way next.
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#82  December 03, 2008, 02:15:52 am
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where is mugen police?  :'(
So you support the fat imbeciles getting other people indicted on false charges (child porn) which, lying to the FBI, is in itself a criminal offense and punishable by law. Ruining people's lives over a game engine? You just made yourself look like an idiot. How would you feel if you got locked up for 20 years on false charges, huh? Oh, what's that, you wouldn't like it? I thought so. Do unto others as you would want others to do to you...
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#83  December 03, 2008, 02:26:39 am
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i dont think borghi was serious
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#84  December 03, 2008, 02:39:29 am
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Sorry, just making a point. I can go overboard some times.
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#85  December 03, 2008, 02:41:35 am
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#87  December 03, 2008, 02:46:14 am
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Hey!! My creations are in a warehouse!! I'm fuckin' famous!! ;D

Oh, hi... I'm making a point, too :P

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#88  December 03, 2008, 02:52:35 am
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I miss T.H.E. too, even though I wasn't a warehouser. But, damnit, this (thread) isn't that serious.

And@Laxxe: They didn't "ignore" you. They had a policy of making public any downloads that would be restricted to other users (I.E. stuff from MI, as getting you banned at the time kept you from downloading stuff there).  
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Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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#89  December 03, 2008, 03:00:49 am
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The silliness continues! :sugoi:

I just checked the thread from since the last time I posted, I appreciate the creator of the warehouse coming to us and defending himself. That was gutsy considering how people weren't happy about it, much props to you Santo.

As for this continuing discussion, which happens to link to an MI thing I was just reading for some reason, Warehouses are going to be around no matter what you do. People are going to steal things because they sometimes just can't be bothered to do any work themselves.

I've said it once, I'll say it again. People are douches. Apart from Santo, who I respect for his refreshing honesty.


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#90  December 03, 2008, 03:06:17 am
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*Have* you read this thread? Most people who posted here either joked or didn't care enough to... care. Also...

People are going to steal things because they sometimes just can't be bothered to do any work themselves.

That's not quite applicable here, unless the guy took credit for all the warehoused stuff, which doesn't seem to be the case.
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Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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#91  December 03, 2008, 03:49:58 am
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People are going to steal things because they sometimes just can't be bothered to do any work themselves.

That's not quite applicable here, unless the guy took credit for all the warehoused stuff, which doesn't seem to be the case.
Yeah, sorry, that was the MI stuff that was still in my head. Next time I'll focus on one thing at a time and not get confused. ^^;

Most people don't care, I did notice that. But I always cater for the minority. That and I'm bored.


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#92  December 03, 2008, 04:45:29 am
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People are going to steal things because they sometimes just can't be bothered to do any work themselves.
So you think all warehousers are thieves, not giving anything back? That has to be the biggest load of bull I've ever heard, and I've dealt with Laxxe. That's saying something. Have you heard of me, Ryon, Zodiac, or even Santo here? I can't think of one big modern warehouse site admin that doesn't create. You have a load of guts coming in here and saying something so hateful and dishonest. After Santo deliberately came here and posted links to a few of his projects, you say it anyway.

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#93  December 03, 2008, 04:48:58 am
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Once again, you're overreacting a little.
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#94  December 03, 2008, 05:11:08 am
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Your not just overreacting you are being short minded.

Making a character is very hard work. Will take months can take years.

Warehouses that do not ask permission are in a way steeling something someone else has made. Providing a place for others (Leachers) so they can easily download someone else's work is not creating anything and is only supporting people who do not create. This is not a user based community it is a creator based one.

That being said not all warehouses are bad. Some only host with permission or link to the Creators website. How hard is that to do?

No one should be proud that someone does a non-permission based warehouse. And creators should not be bitched at when they complain about it. These types of warehouses should just be ignored.

I mean Laxxe spent months working on his stuff and he has it hosted where he wants. As a user who is getting free content people should a least respect a creator enough to read anything he has to say on his own site. It's just respectful.

So don't go jumping on people for complaining when someone isn't doing something that a LARGE portion of the creators out there frown on.

Just show a little respect for the hard work creators do and everyone will be happy.
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#96  December 03, 2008, 05:35:28 am
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#97  December 03, 2008, 05:39:47 am
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You can stay hurt over warehouses all you want, but you're going to be hurt for the rest of your life, because that's how long they're going to be around.

Hey look, i am MUGEN Police.
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#98  December 03, 2008, 05:42:09 am
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There's too many warehouses, too many whiners, making too many problems, and not enough love to go around.
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#99  December 03, 2008, 05:58:48 am
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#100  December 03, 2008, 06:00:06 am
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thanks its not like it was already mentioned several times in the thread
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#101  December 03, 2008, 06:10:01 am
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I know, I just want to summon it once again :P

It's better than making the "mugen police" post as many of here :P

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#102  December 03, 2008, 06:14:51 am
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Why is anyone still posting anything?
It's not much of a discussion.

Nothing has been said that hasn't already been said a million times.
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#103  December 03, 2008, 06:16:30 am
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Even about legal actions, Oz?? :P

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#105  December 03, 2008, 06:26:00 am
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Your not just overreacting you are being short minded.

Making a character is very hard work. Will take months can take years.

Warehouses that do not ask permission are in a way steeling something someone else has made. Providing a place for others (Leachers) so they can easily download someone else's work is not creating anything and is only supporting people who do not create. This is not a user based community it is a creator based one.

That being said not all warehouses are bad. Some only host with permission or link to the Creators website. How hard is that to do?

No one should be proud that someone does a non-permission based warehouse. And creators should not be bitched at when they complain about it. These types of warehouses should just be ignored.

I mean Laxxe spent months working on his stuff and he has it hosted where he wants. As a user who is getting free content people should a least respect a creator enough to read anything he has to say on his own site. It's just respectful.

So don't go jumping on people for complaining when someone isn't doing something that a LARGE portion of the creators out there frown on.

Just show a little respect for the hard work creators do and everyone will be happy.
Did you read anything I said? I am a creator, most well-known warehousers are creators, WE SHOW RESPECT FOR CREATORS BECAUSE WE ARE THEM. All respectable warehousing communities (i.e. not KingAnon's site), for one, credit the author, and for two, link back to the site in question if it's still available. To say that we haven't been there is faaaar away from the truth. If they didn't want their character shared, they should have never put it on the internet. Creators make what they make for one purpose, to enjoy them. Then, when somebody does enjoy them, they PMS all the time. Shouldn't they be happy people are enjoying their works? Instead of "WAH WAH PEOPLE ARE PLAYING WITH MY CREATION I'M GOING TO STOP CREATING NOW BECAUSE YOU HURT MY FRAGILE EMO HEART BAWWWW" (i.e. XCB). If anything, we're the people who make some of these names so popular in the first place, so a little respect and cooperation with us wouldn't kill you. I've created six stages, 2 screenpacks (one is a WIP), and a few character edits, and I get jack. No contributor rank, nothing. It's because I'm a warehouser, people are too short-minded, and when they read the word warehouser they automatically assume leech. I've had it with your type. People who assume warehousers only care about themselves, assuming that they all thieve and don't care about other people. Maybe if you just stuck your head in and looked at some actual FACTS for once, you'd realize we're not the unholy heathens you make us out to be. Now that, sir, is some real over-reacting. But, this topic isn't about me, it's about mugen.pl and some such. I bid you farewell.
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#106  December 03, 2008, 06:36:37 am
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I personally don't think just because you are a warehouser is the reason you are not recognized.

There's too many warehouses, too many whiners, making too many problems, and not enough love to go around.

You already have a lover, why do you care for? >:(
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#107  December 03, 2008, 06:36:50 am
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LOL wow. Didn't mean to make you go crazy.

My point still stands. Your contributer rank has nothing to do with Warehousing by the way. I didn't know you had a creation or a warehouse.

I'll repeat my point and that is don't jump on people because they don't like the theft of their creations. As far as my ethics go it's not the right thing to do.

Yell at me all you want that's how I feel about it. The most you could do is try to state a case that would make me change my mind and I must say you are out of luck because I am a bullheaded S.O.B

I must say yelling at me isn't going to do that.

Once again, it is short minded to think that everyone is going to be happy about theft and agree with you. Maybe you shouldn't jump on people so harshly for being mad about their work being hosted without their permission. Those people feel disrespected.

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#108  December 03, 2008, 06:51:48 am
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Like we don't feel a tinge of disrespect for being treated here like commies were in the USA 1950's? Nevermind that we're not thieves, thieves are people who steal, take something that cannot be replaced or duplicated. MUGEN creations are copies of an original work, distributed without any harm to the author and even garnering him a few fans in the process. Theft is taking something that can't be replaced, warehousing is taking something with the originals still in place, duplicating it, and sharing it so people can enjoy it. Is that really theft, or a way of getting the work out there, letting other people experience and enjoy it outside of a small circle, raising publicity for the author. I say the latter. Some of you people still talk like this is 2002. We've came a long way from the past, warehousing is no longer a taboo. If you ask me, creators are the naive ones, making things the idea that when you put it on the internet it'll just stay in one place. Stuff gets around. Once it's on the internet, it's there for everybody to enjoy, and no amount of complaining or legal action will change that. I don't see the Doom community crying when people host obscure WADs.
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#109  December 03, 2008, 06:56:58 am
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#110  December 03, 2008, 07:10:15 am
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Say what you want. Some people don't like what you are doing and you do not have to do what you are doing. Your overreaction is the same as Laxxe's.

As far as respect goes no, I do not go out of my way respect people who warehouse without permission. Why would that make anyone respect someone?

If you don't want people mad at you then don't host without permission. If you want to host without permission don't be surprised when someone is unhappy.

As far as being treated like commies, did you not read the thread? Even the host of the forum told Laxxe he was wrong. Even my current postings have less to do with your hosting stuff and more to do with your Laxxe like overreaction.

Mugen like you said is for fun. To me you don't sound like you are having very much fun. Sounds like you are to busy worrying about if everyone thinks you are a swell guy to have fun.
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#111  December 03, 2008, 07:36:42 am
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You sound like a broken record. To say that we are selfish and creators are not, is a gaping logical fallacy. Warehousers, you see, share, distribute, so people can enjoy publically. Higher up creators horde, making creations for them and only them to enjoy, and when somebody shares or asks for them, they dangle it over their head like a piece of meat in front of a herd of pitbulls. You can't blame us for wanting things when  those higher-ups tease, mock, and generally act like a stuck-up brat with a I have it you don't mentality. Creators, too busy stroking their frail egos to realize that once the creation's on the internet it stays there for good, whine, complain, etc etc etc. Warehousers are much more respectable people because at least they respect and care for their fellow human being, instead of considering them worthless bugs that don't count for anything because they don't create. I don't actively play or create for MUGEN very much anymore, but I'm trying to ensure the people, the fans, with an active interest get respect and generally enjoy their hobby.  To say I'm over-reacting currently is a tad bit of a mis-step, as for my past few posts I've generally been keeping calm and collected. I don't see what the apparent harm is when hosting without permission as long as the creators get the credit they need for making the work. There's no profit to be gained here, no losses to be sustained with unauthorized hosting. I ask you, why is unauthorized hosting "wrong" as you put it as long as the creators get the credit they need. If anything, it would take a load off their server, and allow new people to enjoy the work, creating fans of them, which will come to their website for later purposes. Your thoughts?
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#112  December 03, 2008, 07:42:53 am
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stop saying creators in a general manner, doesn't support your argument(especially since all creators don't do that, and i haven't met anyone who does), get specific.
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#113  December 03, 2008, 07:57:33 am
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Warehousers are much more respectable people because at least they respect and care for their fellow human being, instead of considering them worthless bugs that don't count for anything because they don't create.

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Telling someone "give me a private character or I host this leaked one" just oozes respect of course. Phinsy, if you think your shit doesn't stink you've got another thing coming. And you're hardly a "calm" individual.
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#114  December 03, 2008, 08:08:42 am
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Ok, so we've contrived to bring up the whole warehouses/creators are evil argument again have we?

Grow the fuck up. Creators do NOT hoard their creations. Not really. Most of the time if you don't get something it's because they got bored of it. Or because you whined and threatened for it. Excellent way to make someone cancel something.

By the same token, some creators make too much fuss over what's being hosted where, once it's online, let it go, you can't police the internet and the more you try to keep it off, the more people will try to host it.

Did you know your last few posts have been every single rebuttal i've ever seen on either side of this whole stupid debate? You aren't bringing anything new to the table, niether of you are going to get the other to agree because you've chosen your sides. If you wish to continue arguing about this pointless BS take it to PM's would you so those of us that are fucking bored of it can ignore it more thoroughly. Even if we banned you both this would STILL show up again in a few months. I'd prefer it just died now.


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#115  December 03, 2008, 08:16:45 am
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you heard him Shamrock, either ban yourself, or tell him off in pms. :P

yeah it's pretty obvious that no one will be satisfied EVER on this situation if they expect it to get resolved.
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#116  December 03, 2008, 08:17:50 am
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LOL. Ban me? What did I do LOL. Fine dad I'll let it die.

I'm bitching about the the reaction not warehouses. I don't care about warehouses I care about creators getting shit on for not liking it.

There I'm done.
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#117  December 03, 2008, 08:18:40 am
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Warehousers are much more respectable people because at least they respect and care for their fellow human being, instead of considering them worthless bugs that don't count for anything because they don't create.

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Telling someone "give me a private character or I host this leaked one" just oozes respect of course. Phinsy, if you think your shit doesn't stink you've got another thing coming. And you're hardly a "calm" individual.
Everybody has mistakes. If you have something to say to me, say it in private. I'd very much like to have a direct conversation with you without the middleman. I'll stop my rants and take it to private convos if that is your wish, Cyanide. Also, the whole leaking thing was ages ago. I've learned a lot since then (i.e. your actions have long-term consequences) as you most obviously know. It's not healthy to dwell on what happened before.
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#119  December 03, 2008, 08:34:16 am
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I don't know why people are making a big deal over this site/warehousers in general. Marat's Mugen Archive is much worse that mugen.pl.
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#121  December 03, 2008, 08:58:12 am
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#122  December 03, 2008, 12:54:17 pm
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pzt just shut it, im friends with some warehousers, and get this they have permission to host my stuff because they are respectable people and also show respect, also havent you noticed that i havent bugged you guys lately, its because I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS ANYMORE so do what you want i dont care
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#123  December 03, 2008, 04:44:24 pm
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Generalizing the "creators are bad" argument tends to piss of the ones of us who don't give a fuck (or actually give a positive fuck) about or stuff being warehoused.
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#124  December 03, 2008, 04:52:01 pm
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the ones that care are the most vocal ones, giving the impression that all creators are like that
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#126  December 04, 2008, 12:31:47 am
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I'm bitching about the the reaction not warehouses. I don't care about warehouses I care about creators getting shit on for not liking it.

..yeah you might have a point, but years of overdone bitching and trying to police the internet (you wouldn't believe the ridiculous stuff that has been done in the past and the PAGESANDPAGES of discussion we've had) have effectively produced a "geez not that again, stop whining" attitude towards creators who.. well, whine. It might not be deserved, but.. it's there.

I can imagine it's kinda annoying for newer creators, but believe me it's the lesser evil. :P
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#127  December 04, 2008, 10:43:38 pm
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Lesser evil ? Dude they are doing that maybe about 5-6 six years. I think this "annoying" last little to long XD.
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#128  December 04, 2008, 10:51:41 pm
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he means the whining is nothing compared to the actions taken in the past. I think.