Don't misconstrue me, I ain't saying they SHOULD sell them. But I really doubt they're going to stop selling them anyways, unfortunately.
Are these gun manufacturers so powerful in the US ? I bet they are, yeah (unfortunately).But with this kind of mentality, they could be selling any kinds of military weapons, even more dangerous than grenade launchers and semi-auto rifles, and your (not you in particular) only defense would be "but banning them would make the manufacturers unhappy !!!". What the Hell !
Killer Kong? said, August 07, 2012, 12:17:12 amGetting rid of/removing privelages to things like this generally does not bode over well because a lot of higher ups/a handful of people in a high position or with the association that distributes them ask for results, they ask for statistics, numbers, ratios. Flat out banning grenade launchers without reasons like those would probably bother a lot of said people.Killer Kong? said, August 07, 2012, 12:21:33 amI don't think civilians should have grenade launchers, but there's no way to just flat out remove them due to the way the distributors would be about, say, profits and such. They WOULD want statistics, and they'd grasp for every straw to continue selling said product because it makes money.Killer Kong? said, August 07, 2012, 12:26:20 amWhile I agree it shouldn't really be sold like this, I don't think just flat out banning it/removing it would boil over well due to...stinginess and profits made. Granted I doubt the audience behind a grenade launcher is really, uh...big, but if it makes any smidgeon of profit, they'll want it to be there.Killer Kong? said, August 07, 2012, 12:36:41 amI ain't saying they SHOULD sell them. But I really doubt they're going to stop selling them anyways, unfortunately.It doesn't make it right, and as such, considering how wrong it is to just sell grenade launchers to civilians, the poor feelings of the sellers should really be completely disregarded. That is, if anyone actually wanted to make it happen.Just because it would be difficult, doesn't mean we should give up on trying to do it. These people shouldn't have the right to stop that from happening, and you shouldn't think "they'll do everything they can to stop it". If you say "let's talk about fixing that", then when someone's hurt feelings make him scream at you, if it's enough to make you say "okay, forget I brought that up" then you really shouldn't participate in this. Help those who really want to change that, and don't tell them to stop as soon as someone stands in your way.They would want statistics ? Fuck them. They should not have a say in this.
kakkoii superhero said, August 07, 2012, 12:34:08 amwhy are you afraid to give your government your fingerprint? do you plan to commit some crime?I'm not afraid, it's a matter of privacy, and the fundamental idea in any modern justice system called "presumption of innocence". Which I hold in high regard, and actually demonstrate every now and then when new laws are discussed which restrict this. I do not owe my government a justification for anything I do that's not against the law.@Iced: Stuff.
Well Byakko, while that is true, I highly doubt the government(not ME, the government) would agree with it due to...well, the influence of the firearm distributors.
Killer Kong? said, August 07, 2012, 12:50:24 amYes, while that is true, I highly doubt the government would agree with us : (.Make it. Talk to people, see how many agree, form a group, make a website, an association, grow through the country, gain fame, go to radio shows, go on live TV. Make them. Change the country. Support your local mayor or senator who agrees.Or join someone who is already doing all that. Make that guy grow, help him do that for you.Bet ten years of your life to change your country.
Either way, disregard the entirity of that whole sword thing. I probably lost my train of thought or something there lol. Happens to all of us every now and then, just to me more often X_X. Or maybe I'm uprooting the government's next weapons project, exploding swords/swords that shoot grenades!
Valodim said, August 07, 2012, 12:49:43 amkakkoii superhero said, August 07, 2012, 12:34:08 amwhy are you afraid to give your government your fingerprint? do you plan to commit some crime?I'm not afraid, it's a matter of privacy, and the fundamental idea in any modern justice system called "presumption of innocence". Which I hold in high regard, and actually demonstrate every now and then when new laws are discussed which restrict this. I do not owe my government a justification for anything I do that's not against the law.@Iced: Stuff.how does your fingerprints being taken have anything to do with infraction of your privacy? or your presumption of innocence? as citizen we have ourselves ID-ed by our government, and that includes fingerprints and lately retina scanI think it is a normal procedure, as they register your ID as it will help them in many cases, like when you become a victim of plane crash, or for the police to matchfingerprint patterns they find in the crime scene, and also to make the ID card harder to be faked.they don't install camera in your house.
What kind of human being does that kind of stuff? Wait. Please do not answer that. Only people who have thoughts of suicide,homicide,and/or genocide do that kind of stuff. But Not Me. Not Now. Not Ever.
Killer Kong? said, August 07, 2012, 01:07:14 amEither way, disregard the entirity of that whole sword thing. I probably lost my train of thought or something there lol. Happens to all of us every now and then, just to me more often X_X. Or maybe I'm uprooting the government's next weapons project, exploding swords/swords that shoot grenades!I thinkt it's both lasers and railguns, whichever works better will remain if not both.
I'm paranoid and don't trust the government.The last couple of pages here have been so full of misinformation and contrived misunderstandings, it's getting silly. I guess I better get used it it, it is an election year.
kakkoii superhero said, August 07, 2012, 01:21:34 amhow does your fingerprints being taken have anything to do with infraction of your privacy? or your presumption of innocence? It does as soon as it's mandatory. No problem with opt-in there.MissBHaven said, August 07, 2012, 01:34:58 amI'm paranoid and don't trust the government.Talking to a guy who put his identity document in the microwave to fry the RFID chip inside. I don't like to be tagged
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/ohio-dark-knight-rises-batman-arrest_n_1751326.html?utm_hp_ref=aurora-shootingOkay so what is this now monkey see monkey do? Thankfully this one stopped before it got worse.
Maybe he was carrying them to defend himself in case a crazy shooter got in during his screening session ?
You, him, them. The smarts, the stupids, the psychos, the Facebook users, the fat, the skinny, the ladies, the men, the little boys, the coders, the leechers, the teenagers, the grown-ups.
Who's mind-fucking who ? Does E really want to agree with me ? But why would he agree, I was asking a question, so I have no point ? Is he just playing with us and doesn't care about the avatars ? Or does he care and really wants to know, but didn't know about my random stolen avatars ? Or he knew but was playing with us ? OMG, head explods. . . .Huh, let's get back to topic.
You guys STILL discussing this after 10 days or so?!I thought this conversation would die down since gun debates gets old really quickly.