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#1  March 11, 2017, 11:33:05 pm
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Last Edit: March 12, 2017, 08:53:56 am by Ricepigeon
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#2  March 12, 2017, 01:55:00 am
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Don't link to Breitbart as a source for anything.
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#3  March 12, 2017, 01:56:04 am
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Can you give him reasons why maybe?
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#4  March 12, 2017, 02:03:59 am
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Alt right, Steve Bannon, Trump...
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#5  March 12, 2017, 02:11:20 am
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You not liking people does not discredit a news source.
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#6  March 12, 2017, 02:15:45 am
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I agree if the news turns out to be fake so be it, but lets at least give it the benefit of doubt before discrediting it.
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#7  March 12, 2017, 02:38:46 am
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To be fair plenty of us would've said the same thing if he used gawker/huffpo/any other shitty sjw news source.
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#8  March 12, 2017, 02:39:05 am
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The point is not that they may be lying, the point is don't give them views and exposure.
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#9  March 12, 2017, 02:48:49 am
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Nah, the point is you don't get to dictate what other people do because of your ideology.
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#10  March 12, 2017, 03:14:40 am
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(this is @ Snakebyte)
Really
To be fair plenty of us would've said the same thing if he used gawker/huffpo/any other shitty sjw news source.
not that I'll defend sjw stuff but don't be fucking stupid, this is pretty much standard.
Also seriously you're trying to stand up for the far right.
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Last Edit: March 12, 2017, 03:56:29 am by Byakko
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#11  March 12, 2017, 03:19:33 am
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I had a suspicion the brietbart link may irk some, hence why I also linked to an article on the subject from techdirt, just to show that this story was being covered by multiple sources and not just some conspiracy contrived on a single site of questionable background (coughInfowarscough)
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#13  March 12, 2017, 03:52:30 am
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Uh ? Oh, no, I didn't mean you, sorry if you thought I was lashing at you. That was a response to Snakebyte. Quoting you was an example because you explained why I said not to link Breitbart. Your position is clear enough :P
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Last Edit: March 12, 2017, 03:57:05 am by Byakko
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#14  March 12, 2017, 06:57:07 am
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I don't choose to stand up for or not stand up for people due to their political affiliations. I find that despicable. You don't get to stop treating people you disagree with like people because of that disagreement.

edit: For the record I also did not interpret your previous post as a response to me.
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#15  March 12, 2017, 07:13:59 am
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Nice strawman. Always jumping to this "you're not treating people like people !" argument, trying to pass me off as inhumane because I said someone he shouldn't give exposure to a far right site.
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#16  March 12, 2017, 07:28:06 am
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How is it a strawman when you literally just did that thing? You don't have the right to demand that others deny exposure to things that you disagree with politically. That's incredibly wrong.
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#17  March 12, 2017, 07:31:01 am
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That's not "not treating people like people" you complete douche.
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#18  March 12, 2017, 07:41:28 am
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Yeah, it is.
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#19  March 12, 2017, 07:45:34 am
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lol no. Talk about insecurities.
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#20  March 12, 2017, 07:50:33 am
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Talk about random insults that don't have any relation to the conversation. Is that what you always do when you don't actually have a point?
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#21  March 12, 2017, 08:06:14 am
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It's for when you just go completely ridiculous.
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#22  March 12, 2017, 08:20:05 am
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Nah. It's for when you don't have an argument but want to shut someone down anyway. You're pretty transparent.
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#23  March 12, 2017, 08:27:07 am
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Just because you don't like my point doesn't mean I don't have one. You keep twisting it and making completely ridiculous claims that such-and-such is not "treating people like people", simply because it's something you don't like. That's just fucked up. There's no argument to be had here. there's no proof that this is or isn't "humane", you're just trying to start shit up because you don't like the way I talk. You're just as dismissive and demeaning as I am with your claim. That's the strawman and the dehumanization.
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#24  March 12, 2017, 08:34:50 am
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Breitbart is not a credible news source by any stretch of the imagination. They deal in conspiracy theories, flat-out lie on occasion, and worst of all have no journalistic integrity; people will not lose their jobs if they report a story incorrectly.

Reading alternative news sites doesn't make you informed, it makes you look like you are only willing to listen to news that supports what you already believe.
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#25  March 12, 2017, 09:01:00 am
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And if you or anyone else actually substantiates those claims, that is a valid reason to tell people to disregard a source. 'Because it is right-leaning and I am left-leaning and no one on the internet should be allowed to see opinions that differ from mine' sure as fuck is not.

I don't care about Breitbart. I care about people thinking they have the right to shut down dissenting opinions.
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#26  March 12, 2017, 09:24:58 am
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Apparently you're new to the Internet or something, so here are some examples of Breitbart articles as screencaptured and tweeted by George Takei (because why not).
https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/798169781027373056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
I mean, just look at the titles. I took Takei's tweet as a random example found in 2 minutes, but article headlines like these from Breitbart were going around a lot near the end of the election.
CNN has a list too. 3 minutes. Regardless of the site, you'll find headlines taken straight from Breitbart that are just like that.
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Last Edit: March 12, 2017, 09:28:56 am by Byakko
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#27  March 12, 2017, 09:32:39 am
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Alt right, Steve Bannon, Trump...

Apparently you're new to this thread or something, so here are some examples of the reasons you gave.

(Pro tip, actually read and evaluate articles instead of getting mad at headlines.)
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#28  March 12, 2017, 11:25:36 am
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Headlines like those are perfectly valid reasons to dismiss a site. Are you suggesting that the articles would be of much higher quality and be balanced information under headlines as those???
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#29  March 12, 2017, 11:53:24 am
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And then he and others gave actual reasons. Sorry, but Breibart is around the same level as Gawker (the other side), let's get real here. There are better places to get the right's perspective without resorting to a site who's reputation is little more than clickbait garbage. Being correct at one specific time doesn't change that.

And yes, attacking someone's integrity while using "be open-minded" as an argument doesn't sound as good as you think, just saying.
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#30  March 12, 2017, 02:33:07 pm
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Yeah, the intellectual high ground you're so bent on claiming doesn't really hold up when you're defending a known alt-right propaganda outlet.
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#31  March 12, 2017, 06:51:54 pm
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No, they aren't. Headlines aren't a valid reason to dismiss anything. There is no reason why they would be. If you have to resort to headlines, rather than article content, to dismiss articles, then you are being intellectually dishonest. It is no different than taking a quote out of context. You have to judge a thing by the whole of the thing, rather than snipping one part out and letting people assume the worst and basing their judgements on that assumption.

This is how people shut down ideas they don't want to be heard, and it's never going to be okay, no matter how much whining about Trump and 'the alt-right' you do.
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#32  March 12, 2017, 07:14:58 pm
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A headline is supposed to be a way to inform you about what the article is about. If the headlines look like those and the articles are totally different than what the headline says it's about that's a bait and switch and is just as terrible.
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#33  March 12, 2017, 07:23:37 pm
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So then you're saying certain positions can't be argued, no matter how strong the argument for them, and should be dismissed without the argument ever being examined?

And you're wondering why I'm objecting to this.
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#34  March 12, 2017, 07:34:26 pm
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That... is not even remotely close to any argument anyone has made in this entire thread.

And you're accusing others of being intellectually dishonest. >_>
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#35  March 12, 2017, 07:42:06 pm
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Yes, it is. JNP is saying that the headlines are bad because they accurately represent the content of the article. Byakko is saying that no one on MFG should link to the site due to its headlines. That is exactly what is being argued and you are being insanely intellectually dishonest by saying otherwise.
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#36  March 12, 2017, 07:43:29 pm
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You know, for someone who loves to preach about treating other people's viewpoints with respect and fairness, you sure do devolve into a petty, sputtering rage case pretty much instantaneously the second somebody says something you don't agree with.
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#37  March 12, 2017, 07:45:51 pm
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Professional news reporting is a business. If you wanna use shitty titles for your articles, then people have the right to dismiss your work as trash. You can make whatever reason you want to say it's wrong, but that's simply how it works
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#38  March 12, 2017, 07:47:02 pm
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@Person Man: And you, like everyone else here apparently, seem to be fond of resorting to personal insults when you lose an argument.

@Niitris: Saying 'shitty shitty trash trash shitty' is not an argument.
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#39  March 12, 2017, 07:51:24 pm
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@Person Man: And you, like everyone else here apparently, seem to be fond of resorting to personal insults when you lose an argument.

you don't have an argument.   You're pretty transparent.

Apparently you're new to this thread or something,

it's never going to be okay, no matter how much whining you do.

you are being insanely intellectually dishonest

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#40  March 12, 2017, 07:55:23 pm
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people dont agree with me and im sad

I can make up shit too.

Maybe if you had factual evidence that Breibart has more journalistic integrity than everyone believes, this exchange would be more civil. And lol at losing an arguement, didn't know these things were contests now.
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#41  March 12, 2017, 07:56:54 pm
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you complete douche.

Talk about insecurities.

Apparently you're new to the Internet or something

But yeah, keep acting like I'm frothing with rage because someone 'said something I don't agree' instead of responding in kind to insults...

Maybe cut the intellectual dishonesty out, too? Note how you've turned this into an attack on me because, as I've already observed, you lost the argument. It's not clever, it's just sad.

@Niitris: I'm not accusing you of being uncivil and I don't care if you are. My point is that 'shitty' and 'trash' aren't meaningful descriptors. You're just saying that you don't like something. You have to substantiate that if you want to be taken seriously. As I've already said, I don't care about Breitbart, I care about people shutting things they disagree with down for bullshit reasons.

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#42  March 12, 2017, 07:59:26 pm
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I take it nobody's going to actually talk about the article itself.
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#43  March 12, 2017, 08:00:34 pm
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Hey snake cut it out

Second thread I had to tell you in
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#44  March 12, 2017, 08:05:58 pm
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It's also meaningless to say "lol you use these words, I'm gonna ignore the entire point."

I will ironically admit that it ties into the clickbait article point. The difference is that I'm not a professional, I don't have anything to lose outside of some internet nerds disagreeing. Big news websites lose an entire plethora of possible readers and revenue. And it's power as a legitimate source in select forum boards.
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#45  March 12, 2017, 08:06:55 pm
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Wasn't trying to ignore a point, apologies if I missed something.
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#46  March 12, 2017, 08:11:55 pm
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You've contradicted yourself. Byakko showed those headlines and that by itself wouldn't have been too bad if you still defended them. May not be popular but it'd stayed consistent with your stance. But then you said to ignore the crappy headlines and read the article itself. That'd imply the article changed the context of the headline into something different and a more popular read/opinion piece.

Which would be a bait and switch and that's pretty terrible. I guess it's possible you like bait and switch articles but I'm sure that tactic is enourmously unpopular.

OT:
Not much to really discuss I'd imagine. It's pretty much expected anymore. Time to stop making fun of tin foil hat people.
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#47  March 12, 2017, 08:24:00 pm
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I didn't contradict myself, you're missing what I'm saying, but I'm not sure how to get it across and I'm tired at tilting at windmills. I'll give it one last shot but I'm pretty done with this topic.

There are two different reasons to dismiss something that are getting tangled up here. The first is a source utterly failing at journalism, posting untrue things, lacking ethics and integrity, etc. The second is a source saying things that you don't like, expressing opinions that you are so against you think they shouldn't even be spoken.

Let's take 'Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive And Crazy' as an example. This may be something you don't want expressed, but until you scrutinize the argument, you can't dismiss it out of hand. It is possible for someone to correctly argue that birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. This isn't reflective of a hateful ideology, of untruthfulness, of anything of that sort if the argument actually shows it to be true. It is certainly right to dismiss an outlet for pushing propaganda, but you cannot assume that something is propaganda just by a headline. Unpopular things are sometimes true, and we have to analyze arguments to see when this is.

I'm not talking about baits-and-switches (how would you even pluralize that). I never was. I'm saying you can't dismiss a premise unless you examine the argument behind it and conclude that the premise is unsupported, and therefore ideologically-motivated, dishonest, hateful, etc.

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#48  March 12, 2017, 10:17:28 pm
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'Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive And Crazy'

come now, this headline is marinated in bias and editorial(unprofessional) language; it encourages readers to take a set stance before they even read the article
it really doesn't matter what the article says, that headline is enough to discredit the author


Love that we've managed to go 3 pages without even really discussing the issue at hand
nationwide domestic spying programs are a non-partisan issue folks
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#49  March 12, 2017, 10:25:20 pm
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A headline is never enough to discredit an author.

Especially not when this particular author has stated many times that his underlying goal is to fight against limits being placed on speech by taking deliberately provocative positions but backing them up with sound facts and arguments.
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#50  March 12, 2017, 10:34:38 pm
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You can't exactly complain about not being taken seriously when you use sensationalist headlines like that, that's basically the boy who cried wolf.
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#51  March 12, 2017, 10:45:04 pm
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If all the headlines were like that, you'd have a point. Cherrypicking deliberately sensationalized opinion columns, mostly by one author, to cast doubt an entire outlet is a bit much.

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so...if I was a journalist and wanted to be successful and provocative, I could headline an article with a racial slur

[insert racial slur]s cause X amount of property damage per year!

but then I'd back it up with actual statistics on the issue in order to back up my statement
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#53  March 12, 2017, 11:04:46 pm
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Nobody's using racial slurs here. That's a pretty clear indication of bigotry, and can be removed without affecting the underlying point.

If you wanted to write an article about black people causing a disproportionate amount of property damage, I'm fine with that provided the facts are accurate. You would need to compare it to other groups in a way that makes statistical sense, and not just present the per year figure without anything to compare it to.
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#54  March 12, 2017, 11:20:45 pm
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Wait that was NOT his point in the slightest his whole point was, as everybody else has been trying to tell you, that if a news website almost consistently makes up its stories and then gets one right will still make people turn their nose to it cause their known for cockamamie articles anyway whether they have proper statistics/evidence or not. Also click bait cause that's still not getting through I guess.
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#55  March 12, 2017, 11:22:48 pm
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Bruh, just take the L.
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#57  March 13, 2017, 12:01:13 am
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Went ahead and removed the Breitbart link due to the site's reputation and the controversy its caused in the past few pages. I always try to make it personal policy to include at least two sources of a news story in these types of threads whenever I can. Due to this, the Breitbart article was the only other source I could find at the time, yet a poor choice to include on my end. My apologies.
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#58  March 13, 2017, 12:04:37 am
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Post a different link, I Googled it and found tons of other sites covering this story
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#59  March 13, 2017, 12:07:22 am
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Byakko is saying that no one on MFG should link to the site due to its headlines.
No, I'm saying it due to its content in general. The headlines are the example because it is more than enough to showcase said content, because the content is the same as the headlines. You think the actual content is different ? You go on and read them and tell me how different they are.
Post a different link, I Googled it and found tons of other sites covering this story
He already did since the very first post, but Snakebyte is just raging at this particular aspect of the discussion.
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#60  March 13, 2017, 01:41:14 am
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Regardless of the merits of Breitbart, I really feel that topic ought to be relocated to another thread at this point.


As for the actual topic of the thread, this is... certainly something. The FBI has come under fire for using child porn websites in the past.

On an unrelated note, Russian hackers have the ability to plant CP on people's computers...

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http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/3/15163750/fbi-best-buy-geek-squad-informant-child-porn-case
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/04/03/records-show-deep-ties-between-fbi-and-best-buy-computer-technicians-looking-for-child-porn/?utm_term=.0291d84664a2

More details involving the payments to the Best Buy employees have surfaced during court hearings, as well as evidence that Best Buy technicians were working on software to identify child porn. The court is now trying to determine if a warrant was needed and, if so, that the evidence should be thrown out on those grounds.
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