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LEAVE won.
#1  June 24, 2016, 06:15:11 am
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#2  June 24, 2016, 06:28:06 am
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SMH, UK! :/

Like if Mexico needed more bad news this year. :/
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Well, that will be interesting. Apparently stocks and the value of the pound have gone down rather a lot already. It'll probably stabilise at some point, but they are now a tiny island surrounded by a rather large entity that has no real reason to give a damn about them.


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#5  June 24, 2016, 06:34:41 am
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Like if Mexico needed more bad news this year. :/

... huh?

http://bajopalabra.com.mx/hasta-20-pesos-por-dolar-si-britanicos-dicen-si-al-brexit (warning, it's in spanish)

Mexican currency is one of the most punished this year (and since 2015). The fact UK left the EU affects its currency. It was already bad to pay 15 mxn for a dollar. 20MXN per dollar is just beyond ridiculous now.

Funny how something like this involved an economy across the Atlantic, no?
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#6  June 24, 2016, 06:38:15 am
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Congrats for regaining self-determination Brits.
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#7  June 24, 2016, 06:39:18 am
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Things will become interesting. UE has to be reworked deeply, anyway. Time to rebuild smething worthy.
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#8  June 24, 2016, 06:41:05 am
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wow.....this....to my book at least, is a shocker. I never thought something like this can actually happen for real! I know about the tell-tale signs in a few things my family taught me in economics and business management + history, but I never thought I'd see the day it would happen for real.
Nevertheless, To see the United Kingdom go separate, this will be interesting to see.
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#9  June 24, 2016, 06:42:46 am
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Well, that will be interesting. Apparently stocks and the value of the pound have gone down rather a lot already. It'll probably stabilise at some point, but they are now a tiny island surrounded by a rather large entity that has no real reason to give a damn about them.
it went down pretty much live.

this is bad news for everyone.
Ireland is already moving to separate and will likely win the referendum to cut ties, there will be mass firings as tomorrow rises and all the investment in UK withdraws, there were a ton of benefits in being there while being part of the EU that suddenly just arent worth anymore.

Uk just capped its own ass.
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Welp, least Ireland will get the independence it's wanted for so long.
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Well... Northern Ireland has historically been an avowed supporter of staying with the UK. At least until today, of course.

but yeah this is fucking terrifying and awful and depressing

good fucking job England and Wales!
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Well... Northern Ireland has historically been an avowed supporter of staying with the UK. At least until today, of course.

but yeah this is fucking terrifying and awful and depressing

good fucking job England and Wales!

Actually, most of Wales population voted to stay. If you wanna blame someone else, blame Scotland.
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??? Scotland voted to stay, Wales voted to leave.
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#14  June 24, 2016, 07:03:18 am
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Well... Northern Ireland has historically been an avowed supporter of staying with the UK. At least until today, of course.

but yeah this is fucking terrifying and awful and depressing

good fucking job England and Wales!

Actually, most of Wales population voted to stay. If you wanna blame someone else, blame Scotland.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis
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Well... Northern Ireland has historically been an avowed supporter of staying with the UK. At least until today, of course.

but yeah this is fucking terrifying and awful and depressing

good fucking job England and Wales!

Actually, most of Wales population voted to stay. If you wanna blame someone else, blame Scotland.



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I heard rumblings that Scotland would be pushing hard for another independence referendum if UK left the EU, so... gud jov crumpet-eaters
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#16  June 24, 2016, 07:06:01 am
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Oooops. Confused the colors. My bad.
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That they don't just restrict themselves to my style.

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#17  June 24, 2016, 07:07:22 am
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Their economy is going to bounce back eventually. It's not like the British workers, factories and products are suddenly worthless. And Leave is right that every major business partner of the UK is going to sign a free trade agreement with it. Wheter or not those agreements will be better for the UK than the EU on the long run is to be seen.

What's actually dumb is the timing of this exit. If the leave side waited just a few years for Europe to catch the right wing fever there would've be no need to leave at all nor jeopardize the economy of the country.
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#18  June 24, 2016, 07:12:24 am
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Yo Britain wanna come join the US now Europe kinda sucks
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FUCK YEAH
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#20  June 24, 2016, 10:29:51 am
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I'm not European so I don't have all the info, but from what I've seen this seemed needed. I didn't think it would actually happen, though, and I don't know how it'll all shake out.

Congrats?
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#22  June 24, 2016, 11:38:47 am
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OK, this is at the very least bad and at worst terrible.
Markets will be hit hard as a wave of uncertainty hits across the world the next months. This will be pretty bad for our devastated economy as well, hindering our recovery greatly.
And UK economy will stumble for a few good years till it recovers. Which will be bad for friends there as well.
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#23  June 24, 2016, 12:18:38 pm
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#24  June 24, 2016, 12:57:22 pm
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Very good news hope the same in France. They lie to us since beginning. I hope a Frexit for bring back Democratie in France too.
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So, Scots will claim independence after this, surely. Interested to see whether this'll also fuel a new Republic vote in Australia.

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#27  June 24, 2016, 05:25:14 pm
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I was surprised to see Northern Ireland vote like Scotland too. But yeah, no one would be able to say anything against a referendum for Scotland to leave the UK now. The mythology / history nerd in me kinda wishes they'll reunite with Ireland to reform a Gaelic country of Irish descent, but that's probably not happening.
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#28  June 24, 2016, 05:31:07 pm
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Its entirely possible for them to form a Gaelic co ligation , Scotland has a lot of Britain resources and Ireland has its own things going on but they'll sooner join forces with one another than help the British
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The pound was soaring when the markets thought that we would remain, but then it dropped 30 years in a few hours.  :no:

This is what happens when you blindside the people from the main issue. You wouldn't believe how many people said "I'm voting leave because there are too many migrants on the streets!"
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#30  June 24, 2016, 05:35:02 pm
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Yeah, are they building a wall in Dover outside the eurostar yet

Edit - lol London wants independence too now. As a joke at first but it's moving forward (... as a petition).
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Not just yet. This is gonna take at least two years to pass. Or negotiations may fail during that time and we remain in the EU (fingers crossed).

If that is the case, I'll have to move back to London (or marry one of the Americans on mfg).
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#32  June 24, 2016, 06:12:18 pm
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The pound was soaring when the markets thought that we would remain, but then it dropped 30 years in a few hours.  :no:

This is what happens when you blindside the people from the main issue. You wouldn't believe how many people said "I'm voting leave because there are too many migrants on the streets!"

the whole subject was overtaken by extreme right groups that feed on xenophobia. You can get the uneducated to do a lot of dumb shit if you tell them you gonna get those dirty foreigners whats coming to them. The british are specially prone to the whole pride of the empire thing and theres a lot of old people that see joining other countries as betraying the Empire, its bloody retarded.


Teh same versions of those groups in other countries like france, germany and portugal are trying to use it as a justification to try to push more separatism in those other groups. They think they can stick it to diversity by leaving the EU as if the last forty years were some kind of bad dream they were having where they were forced to deal with them foreigners.
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Because people are that fucking tired of the shit the left is pulling!
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The market here is taking quite the pounding because of Brexit...
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#38  June 24, 2016, 07:26:48 pm
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Stop with escuse of migrant or other stupid stuff i hear (like because wold war 1 or 2) Or for love or hate wtf etc.

Politician play with these things... they take us for dumb stop repeat these stupidity. In the end only rich people are not happy. People dont want Europe because they have less and less liberty and more and more poverty and less and less democratie this is the real truth. At the end its good for everybody to go out of europe. Leave Europe dont mean stop relation with other country or exchange or hate or what. Its just true democratie for the people. They just lie and take us for slaves.

 They can regain control of there own country and choose to vote what they want and accept things or not. Europe is shit since beginning its the worst idea ever. Its a fucking dictature.

 Iam so happy for the britain if they really can go out. But iam not sure. They can ignore this vote or redone it underpressure but i hope not.
 I cry this morning i hope same in France. Europe is hate since is creation. Life was way better  10years ago we could talk about everything before. Now we couldnt talk about serious suject they just ignore people who manifest and if we go serious they intimide us with Police and CRS. They create problem for people to stop look what they really want too. Mad people have created Europe. I hate the fucking New world order of President Sarkozy.
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#39  June 24, 2016, 07:40:00 pm
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In France, we have farmers that need to live from their work (it's normal, you will say).
Yes, instead the fact that they are loosing money of each pig they sell.
So they had discussions with hypermarket brands, and few of them accepted to buy pig from FRANCE, and to increase the price, even if it implied a lower income for them.

And you know what?
EU came, and told "hey guys NO NO NO, what you want to do is not fair with Romanian farmers and Romanian pigs. You can't fix the price you want".
How nice it is.
Another example? builders from east countries. 4 euros/hour. Our builders? I'll not tell you, you know it.
Again? Truck drivers. Why here in Belgium all the truck are from Polland? Same thing.

I don't think that UE is a wrong thing, at the end. But it didn't turned like shit when we were 15.
Yes, deflation will come for country that will be out. Yes it'll be more difficult for us to buy the last phone or TV..
But what's the most important? Food or phone? I see more and more people starving...

There is one thing to see. The more countries we have in Europe, the less are the chances to see them falling in trap of aggressive countries, so I guess that EU is like a wall protecting us for a higher risk of global war.
It's very complicated, yeah.
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#40  June 24, 2016, 07:52:51 pm
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I'm still trying to grasp the gravity of the situation, all I know is that money went sharply down which is obviously not good.

I do know that Britain and the EU was always a fractured relationship, and that this day was only a matter of time. Just wonder how long it'll take before the others jump ship too.
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Because people are that fucking tired of the shit the left is pulling!
so the only solution is to dig your feet in and demand to fuck both yourself and the opposition over?

i thought conservatives were trying to be rationalists.
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#47  June 25, 2016, 04:25:17 am
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who wouldn't want to live in the land of beautiful trudeau

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Because people are that fucking tired of the shit the left is pulling!
so the only solution is to dig your feet in and demand to fuck both yourself and the opposition over?

i thought conservatives were trying to be rationalists.
What other solution did they have? The backbone of the leave movement was migration, and even changing the PM means shit as long as Brussels can impose refugee quotas on any member state of the EU
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... Brussels of all places does that? Shit, I thought they'd be more reluctant after what happened... and fuck the guys behind the attack, by the way.
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They haven't done it yet, but the proposal's been around for months.
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Well that's on my list of worst mistakes in history.
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Google search trends have revealed that a large percentage of people who voted to leave not only did not know what leaving the EU would actually mean, but also did not know what the EU is before voting to leave it.

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Awakening to a stock market plunge and a precipitous decline in the value of the pound that Britain hasn't seen in more than 30 years, voters now face a series of economic shocks that analysts say will only worsen before they improve. The consequences of the leave vote will be felt worldwide, even here in the United States, and some British voters say they now regret casting a ballot in favor of Brexit.

"Even though I voted to leave, this morning I woke up and I just — the reality did actually hit me," one woman told the news channel ITV News. "If I'd had the opportunity to vote again, it would be to stay."

That confusion over what Brexit might mean for the country's economy appears to have been reflected across the United Kingdom on Thursday. Google reported sharp upticks in searches not only related to the ballot measure but also about basic questions concerning the implications of the vote. At about 1 a.m. Eastern time, about eight hours after the polls closed, Google reported that searches for "what happens if we leave the EU" had more than tripled.

The run-up to the vote was marked by a bitterly divided campaign, one that was as much about immigration fears as it was about the global economy.

But despite the all-out attempts by either side to court voters, Britons were not only mystified by what would happen if they left the E.U.— many seemed not to even know what the European Union is.

Jolly good show, Britain.
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Because people are that fucking tired of the shit the left is pulling!
so the only solution is to dig your feet in and demand to fuck both yourself and the opposition over?

i thought conservatives were trying to be rationalists.
What other solution did they have? The backbone of the leave movement was migration, and even changing the PM means shit as long as Brussels can impose refugee quotas on any member state of the EU
Could they not just block the proposal like they have countless others? Is it really worth bottoming out your economy to forgo an extra step to keeping out migrants?
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As someone who doesn't really keep up with the news and don't know that much about politics, I don't really understand some things, but what I got from the posts here and the article:

-The UK wanted to leave the European Union due to fear of immigrates.
-A vote is held and most of the people vote leave.
-There's huge backlash because leaving the EU will cause economic problems.
-European currency dropped hard in value due the decision.
-They're even worse problems to come, and the people of the UK are starting to regret their decision.

Am I on the money? I honestly thought that Europe wouldn't have a disagreement like this. Sounds like the South in the US during the mid 19th century when  they split and became the confederacy .
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#60  June 25, 2016, 03:53:34 pm
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-The UK wanted to leave the European Union due to fear of immigrates.
It's not just the anti immigration thing.  Everybody knows the EU has huge problems, like as mentioned before, trying to basically force every countries to be equal on  points where they're obviously not equal, and as a result, pulling everybody down. People in each country can't sell their stuff anymore because the same stuff from poorer countries is much cheaper, even though it's also of much lower quality. France has been arguing about it for a long time about farmers, truck drivers and everything involving low level manual labor, and is still in an obvious impasse because no one can go over these European standards. That's why most people hate this bureaucratic equality that doesn't mean anything, doesn't do any good, and doesn't understand shit about the reality of people's lives. This isn't so much about immigration because people don't have to immigrate to cause that sort of damage, specifically because everyone is free to import stuff from those poorer countries.
Pretty much all of the countries have had that major grief, but none of these governments has been able to do anything about it. Everyone knows it, and that's one of the bigger argument for those who want to leave the EU (ignoring everything else around that).
So no, it's not quite Trump-level yet, but it did get there a lot faster than everyone thought, and way before the USA.

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-A vote is held and most of the people vote leave.
Over 60% of voters for Scotland, Northern Ireland, and London voted against. Between 50 and 60% of the people everywhere else voted to leave.
This 48-52 split is awful. If the "remain" had won, everybody would have said "well, you can't ignore that almost half the country wanted to leave, so you'l have to change things". But with the "leave" winning, everyone is saying "that is the will of the British people". No, it's not, it's the will of half the British people (and only a third of Scotland, London, and Northern Ireland), but no one is saying to the winner "well, remember, you still have to accommodate those who didn't vote what you voted".
The result is that Scotland, Ireland, and even London (this one more as a joke but they're still fucking livid about it), are asking to split the fuck off the UK. That's how fucking bad this is - even Northern Ireland is considering reuniting with Ireland, THAT'S how fucking bad it is.
And here we have the people who were against it, call that democracy while sadly shrugging. That's not democracy, that's practically civil war. That's the problem with people who don't understand what democracy is and just say "you can't go against the voice of the people" any time it doesn't go their way. Democracy is finding a good compromise for the most people, angering everyone the least by having everyone giving up a little It's just that, while each country is a democracy, Europe doesn't work as a democracy.

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-European currency dropped hard in value due the decision.
UK currency. I don't know that the Euro dropped quite as hard - the Pound dropped to levels unseen since 1985.
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-They're even worse problems to come, and the people of the UK are starting to regret their decision.
That one's right, a lot of the people who voted leave didn't realize what that meant, and didn't realize most of the stuff they expected from it wouldn't happen. That's the problem with protest vote : when slightly more than half the country does a protest vote, everybody realizes the size of the land mine they just stepped on. Obviously the real problem is what made half the country do that protest vote in the first place, but the result of that vote is even worse.

By the way, literally the only people happy about it are the far left and far right. Those who have the least clue about how the hell this all works and what that means.
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Nigel Farage and the Leave campaign proclaimed that 350 million pounds went to the EU, and that if the UK left, that would go to the NHS.

Well, it seems that won't be the case.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/watch-brexit-lies-unravel-nigel-farage-calls-350m-week-promise-nhs-mistake
http://boingboing.net/2016/06/24/the-morning-after-the-brexit-v.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-good-morning-britain-eu-referendum-brexit-350-nhs_uk_576d0aa3e4b08d2c5638fc17?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk-news
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Could they not just block the proposal like they have countless others? Is it really worth bottoming out your economy to forgo an extra step to keeping out migrants?
The UK hasn't blocked countless proposals from other member states and the main opponent of refugee quotas, Hungary, doesn't have that much leverage either. Actually, the UK has failed harder than any other state at blocking proposals in the last decade. This is another pivot of the leave campaign, though they're guilty of intellectual dishonesty and using bloated statistics. Here's a unbiased, factual breakdown.
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UK currency. I don't know that the Euro dropped quite as hard - the Pound dropped to levels unseen since 1985.
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That one's right, a lot of the people who voted leave didn't realize what that meant, and didn't realize most of the stuff they expected from it wouldn't happen. That's the problem with protest vote : when slightly more than half the country does a protest vote, everybody realizes the size of the land mine they just stepped on. Obviously the real problem is what made half the country do that protest vote in the first place, but the result of that vote is even worse.

By the way, literally the only people happy about it are the far left and far right. Those who have the least clue about how the hell this all works and what that means.
its fucking ridiculous, they expected to still keep all trade arrangements, free visa traveling and european funds while leaving.
Ive seen a family of british migrants interviewed that all voted leave for the glory of the british empire and now wanted to change the vote because htey finally realized they wouldnt be able to freely work across europe.
How the fuck does a family of migrants vote against the european union ? Did they all expect every benefit from the union to remian in place if they left?

The british are one of the countries that had the most influence and still kept most of their own shit with the union, down to literally keeping their coin. A lot of their growth and power comes from the possibilities that the union supplied them with, the investors that could move workers around with littel effort and the like.

They threw all that out in a show of patriotism and now their coin is ruptured, their market has everyone getting ready to abscond and they are about to lose Sctoland and North Ireland AND theres talk all around europe on hurrying the process to kick them out even faster than the 2 years, because every other country now thinks they'll be able to reforge a stronger union without them in the way.

They fucked themselves in the stupidest possible way and there are still extreme left and extreme right gloating about it as if it was something they wish could happen everywhere

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Well, the far right is the racists who think they don't need anyone and deduce that no one else in the country needs anyone outside of it, and the far left is the little people, those who take the maximum damage from Europe while not receiving any of the benefits. Of course they're gloating. They just don't care (or don't even understand) about everyone else because no one has cared for them in decades.
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The Department of Foreign Affairs in Ireland has put up this page following the result
https://www.dfa.ie/irelanduk-citizenshipandpassports/
because there's been an explosion in requests for an Irish passport coming from Northern Ireland since yesterday.
That is a FAQ with questions such as "I have Irish origins and I live in the UK, can I move to Ireland ?"

Watch and take notes, Canada, if Trump becomes president. This is how it is when it gets real.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/24/bank-of-england-markets-pound-shares-plummet-brexit-vote-carney

2 trillion gone so far. hope it was worth it

Oh my God! Markets are having a panic attack and reacting to the unexpected and the uncertainty negatively, like it has always done before a hundred times! The horror!

Please, it already has been a couple of days and you are basing your judgement on day-to-day market fluctuations. The wiser option is to wait several months or a year so that the initial noise will die out. Then, you can panic if things are not improving.
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Oh my God! Markets are having a panic attack and reacting to the unexpected and the uncertainty negatively, like it has always done before a hundred times!
Yeah, no. This is an unprecedented situation. The pound is at the lowest level it's been in over 30 years; it took 7 years for the pound to recover from a similar fall, back during the Great Recession (i.e., it basically just recovered). The UK's credit rating is about to get downgraded. There are legitimate concerns that this might spark another global recession.

This is not normal. This is not good. You seriously don't have a single clue about what you're talking about.
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Oh my God! Markets are having a panic attack and reacting to the unexpected and the uncertainty negatively, like it has always done before a hundred times!
Yeah, no. This is an unprecedented situation. The pound is at the lowest level it's been in over 30 years; it took 7 years for the pound to recover from a similar fall, back during the Great Recession (i.e., it basically just recovered). The UK's credit rating is about to get downgraded. There are legitimate concerns that this might spark another global recession.

This is not normal. This is not good. You seriously don't have a single clue about what you're talking about.

I do have a clue what I am talking about: it is all of the markets reacting negatively towards what they perceive or feel as a future signs of instability. Sure it is more extreme than normal, but I am confident that things will stabilize pretty soon and rebound. After all, markets are made up of emotional people. When things happen, first, there will be panic, then calm and acceptance, and then it will be business as usual.

This is not just me saying this, plenty of other financial experts share my point of view. Like I said, wait for a few months at the very least, then if nothing improves, then you have my permission to panic.
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Pikachu Guy's actually making good posts for once. All this shit's just fearmongering from our typical fearmongering leftist sites like The Guardian and Huffington Post.


Everyone I know except KoopaKoot is fucking thrilled about this. The economy will tank in the meantime, the UK may collapse, but England and Wales will be back in the future, just you wait.
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We don't need to wait months: the aftereffects are already being felt now. Dow and S&P have plummeted. Oil prices are plunging. Things aren't going to get better soon, these things take time to recover. We're not going to wake up the next morning to discover everything's fine and dandy now that the initial panic is over with. And it might get worse, given more time: many of the most damaging long-term impacts won't be felt until a year or so from now. And for the UK, things are especially bleak. Their economy is expected to shrink over 6% this year, and for per-capita GDP to fall by more than £4,000. Half a million more people than previously predicted are expected to be unemployed by 2020. Britain has irreparably lost the prestige and honor it held as a center for European finance and business. Banks and companies headquartered are expected to flee the UK en masse to more hospitable locations such as Dublin or Luxembourg. Scotland and Northern Ireland have a very real chance of leaving the United Kingdom. And there are already rumblings of similar referendums for other countries in the EU, which would only further destabilize things.

This is not some unsubstatiated, unpopular opinon. Quite the opposite, in fact: it's a view shared by the vast, vast majority of news outlets, whether they be dedicated to finance or not, whether they're left-wing or right-wing. It's absurd to say otherwise.
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it's going to stabilize like always but you would have to be a dummy to think there are zero short term effects
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Yeah pikachu guy is right but still pound will not go unscathed after this.
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#77  June 26, 2016, 10:40:37 am
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The pound was soaring when the markets thought that we would remain, but then it dropped 30 years in a few hours.  :no:

This is what happens when you blindside the people from the main issue. You wouldn't believe how many people said "I'm voting leave because there are too many migrants on the streets!"

the whole subject was overtaken by extreme right groups that feed on xenophobia.

Bullshit. That's the sort of thing the left says to discredit their opposition without addressing their arguments.
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The pound was soaring when the markets thought that we would remain, but then it dropped 30 years in a few hours.  :no:

This is what happens when you blindside the people from the main issue. You wouldn't believe how many people said "I'm voting leave because there are too many migrants on the streets!"

the whole subject was overtaken by extreme right groups that feed on xenophobia.

Bullshit. That's the sort of thing the left says to discredit their opposition without addressing their arguments.
Yeah it's actually got me both impressed and disgusted after all this went down, the media in the UK is nearly identical to the US media in how they report sides of in issue. Push the racist narrative because it's easier than understanding the opposition.
The cause of leave boils down to 3 things if you consider sites likes Vox/TheGuardian,
1. Old white people that will be dead in 2 years so they aren't important. (Lol)
2. Racism. The medias easiest trump card and almost universally bullshit.
3. Stupidity. People who voted leave are uneducated sheep fuckers. (see uneducated cousin fuckers in the USA ie anyone with a Southern accent). I get the Welsh sheep-shagger jokes, but I love Wales.

All 3 equal controversy, which is free clicks/views. Dismissing the LEAVE view as being any of the above was the problem from the start and the lazy, inexperienced REMAIN millennials (see I can do bullshit labels too!) have to pay the price.. and I mean so do their elders when it comes to any economic changes, but let's ignore them because it doesn't fit an agenda, everyone 40+ will be dead soon enough anyway!
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Even putting aside most of the obvious bullshit there, the 'old people' thing really makes no sense this time. This isn't a social issue, where one might expect people to have antiquated views. This is an issue where only the old people know what Britain was like before the EU. They have relevant experience here. What possible grounds are there to discard their opinion? It makes no fucking sense.
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are they gonna pull back or what many do kinda regret it
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When even british families that work outside of britain voted leave and now want to backtrack it because they thought it wouldnt apply to them but only to foreign people theres more than a tiny hint of xenophobic intent.



The british results for google AFTER the referendum show a major lack of knowledge on what the fuck they were doing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

A huge ammount of people thought brexit was about cutting off rights for migrant workers, and werent even aware it would affect them too. And the movements towards leaving very much reflected this.



the ignorance is just staggering.
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/the-mail-has-explained-what-brexit-means-and-its-readers-seem-shocked--Z1772TI4aNW
http://www.newsweek.com/brexit-second-referendum-petition-gains-more-1-million-signatures-474534

They are not the only country that has these people, we have them here too. They are the Nationalistic patriotic party.


Ofc this has got nothing to do with foreigner hating
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659842/No-Polish-vermin-Police-investigating-laminated-cards-reading-leave-EU-home-scum-posted-doors.html
is all a coincidence
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#83  June 26, 2016, 10:44:38 pm
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You don't get to use the spectre of imaginary bigotry to stigmatize arguments you don't like. That's sickening.

Isn't it convenient that you only mention 'ignorance' in regards to people that disagree with you?
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The referendum was literally instigated by UKIP, a far-right party known for their barely-veiled racism and their xenophobia towards immigrants; indeed, their campaign to vote leave played up all of those fears. It's disingenuous to pretend they don't exist, or that they didn't say what they said, regardless of one's feelings about the actual vote.
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You don't get to use the spectre of imaginary bigotry to stigmatize arguments you don't like. That's sickening.

Isn't it convenient that you only mention 'ignorance' in regards to people that disagree with you?

Persons that disagree with me? they are literally saying they had homes in other countries and have jobs in other countries and voted leave because they didnt know what it would mean.
These are people claiming they want to change their vote over ignorance of reality. Why would i reference the ignorance of the people that voted stay, they are not giving interviews and having articles done about how they didnt know anything about the EU.

The second thing most googled by uk people was "what is the EU" AFTER the referendum is done and you are more worried that only those that voted separate are looking dumb? They are all dumb or that wouldnt be the second most researched thing on google.

And what do I care what their argument is? The rest of europe will be stronger without them. but they clearly fucked themselves and theres no way you can tell me theres not a tinge of xenophobia in the positions pushed by Ukip.
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#86  June 26, 2016, 10:55:45 pm
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The referendum was literally instigated by UKIP, a far-right party known for their barely-veiled racism and their xenophobia towards immigrants; indeed, their campaign to vote leave played up all of those fears. It's disingenuous to pretend they don't exist, or that they didn't say what they said, regardless of one's feelings about the actual vote.

No, it's disingenuous to claim that all opposition to mass immigration is racist and xenophobic.

The second thing most googled by uk people was "what is the EU" AFTER the referendum is done and you are more worried that only those that voted separate are looking dumb? They are all dumb or that wouldnt be the second most researched thing on google.

You are using this fact to call the Leave voters ignorant, when it doesn't indicate anything of the sort. How do you know that the Leave vote wouldn't have been higher if more people were informed?
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No, it's disingenuous to claim that all opposition to mass immigration is racist and xenophobic.

PFFT do I have to put disclaimers like in feminist arguments "Note that not all cis scum is scum and not all men rape!" ?
Give me a break why are you arguing against something that is never said by anyone.

A tinge is a far cry from "ALL LEAVE SUPPORTERS ARE XENOPHOBIC"

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The second thing most googled by uk people was "what is the EU" AFTER the referendum is done and you are more worried that only those that voted separate are looking dumb? They are all dumb or that wouldnt be the second most researched thing on google.

You are using this fact to call the Leave voters ignorant, when it doesn't indicate anything of the sort. How do you know that the Leave vote wouldn't have been higher if more people were informed?

Lets start arguing hypotheticals, thats a good use of time. How can you be sure if they were all informed properly they wouldnt have invaded the palace and ate the queen? You cant? Egads. I)ts almost as if we can only discuss actions and things that actually happened like the huge ammounts of people expressing regret in their votes over ignorance and not the huge ammounts of people that somehow arent expressing their regret in voting remain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658966/Cornwall-votes-decisively-Brexit-seeks-assurances-won-t-lose-60million-year-gets-EU-subsidies.html
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#88  June 26, 2016, 11:03:33 pm
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with the turnout at 72% all those google searches could've come from the remaining 28% and those that weren't elegible to vote (including younger teens). the bump in google searches is an interesting fact but i don't think it means anything for either side of the vote
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#89  June 26, 2016, 11:10:41 pm
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Nobody outside of the UK even knew why exactly they wanted to leave and what they expected from it. A month or two ago, Cameron went and asked for new rights from the EU to show that he could be tough and could obtain things from it, but that wasn't enough and it led to the referendum. But no newspaper / news site I've seen around here was able to tell exactly why it happened, beside the whole "we're giving too much money to the EU" like from back with Thatcher, but that's very common, as well as the usual issue with migrant workers making life tough for locals. And Friday morning, the "350M for the NHS" thing happened, and the Farage campaign blew up.

But hey, you guys keep saying we can't shrug it off as racism or ignorance and it can only be better outside the EU. What do you think ARE the reasons ? What do you think will get better now ?
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Lets start arguing hypotheticals, thats a good use of time. How can you be sure if they were all informed properly they wouldnt have invaded the palace and ate the queen? You cant? Egads. I)ts almost as if we can only discuss actions and things that actually happened like the huge ammounts of people expressing regret in their votes over ignorance and not the huge ammounts of people that somehow arent expressing their regret in voting remain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658966/Cornwall-votes-decisively-Brexit-seeks-assurances-won-t-lose-60million-year-gets-EU-subsidies.html

That's my point. You're the one arguing hypotheticals--people being ignorant doesn't support either side, and you're trying to claim it supports yours.

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What do you think ARE the reasons ? What do you think will get better now ?

Self-governance seems like a super important concern. The bulk of the Leave arguments I've seen have valued democracy over tyranny, and being willing to take an economic hit to accomplish that.
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Our news reported that" UK got spooked that a shitload of people will come immigrating into their country(Since citizens of other EU countries can easily move to other countries,and more and more countries are entering the EU(Guessin they meant our slavic countries)) so they bailed out to keep their cultural indentity"
Makes no sense tho,so I dont think thats the reason
Couldnt they just deny people trying to enter their country from doing so and still stay?
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Self-governance seems like a super important concern. The bulk of the Leave arguments I've seen have valued democracy over tyranny, and being willing to take an economic hit to accomplish that.
That is the exact same argument for Texas leaving the USA.
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Lets start arguing hypotheticals, thats a good use of time. How can you be sure if they were all informed properly they wouldnt have invaded the palace and ate the queen? You cant? Egads. I)ts almost as if we can only discuss actions and things that actually happened like the huge ammounts of people expressing regret in their votes over ignorance and not the huge ammounts of people that somehow arent expressing their regret in voting remain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658966/Cornwall-votes-decisively-Brexit-seeks-assurances-won-t-lose-60million-year-gets-EU-subsidies.html

That's my point. You're the one arguing hypotheticals--people being ignorant doesn't support either side, and you're trying to claim it supports yours.


you are being nonsensical. Im showing british people are ignorant and voted for something stupid without knowing what it meant. Now that they know they want to change it. How can you claim that this shows that peopel that voted remain now see that they voted wrong?


Our news reported that" UK got spooked that a shitload of people will come immigrating into their country(Since citizens of other EU countries can easily move to other countries,and more and more countries are entering the EU(Guessin they meant our slavic countries)) so they bailed out to keep their cultural indentity"
Makes no sense tho,so I dont think thats the reason
Couldnt they just deny people trying to enter their country from doing so and still stay?

Part of being in the EU is getting benefits from trade economy but also to obey laws that are passed in the common euro zone. Uk has historically been opposed of wanting to do most of those things while still wanting to reap all the rewards of the euro zone.
They wouldnt be able to refuse to take refugees from wars because its their European civic duty, and a big part of this was them freaking out over it.


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Democracy over tyranny.

And the tyranny is having laws passed that affect the whole eu zone, laws like having to take in refugees. This is the hill this argument decided to die in. Its the same argument of the Patriotic nationalist party for leaving the EU.



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Self-governance seems like a super important concern. The bulk of the Leave arguments I've seen have valued democracy over tyranny, and being willing to take an economic hit to accomplish that.
That is the exact same argument for Texas leaving the USA.

No, it's not. Texas has democracy. The EU authorities don't work the way the US authorities do.

you are being nonsensical. Im showing british people are ignorant and voted for something stupid without knowing what it meant. Now that they know they want to change it. How can you claim that this shows that peopel that voted remain now see that they voted wrong?

You're not showing anything of the kind. You're showing that british people are ignorant. It doesn't skew your way. It doesn't skew any way. That's my point. You're not accurately representing the facts OR my point.

The tyranny is to do with the people proposing laws not being democratically elected accountable representatives, and saying 'someone dumb thinks the way you do!' is not a fucking argument. I really didn't expect this level of dishonesty from you.
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I still have no idea what your point is because you try to obscure it repeatedly with claims like "not everyone that supports it is racist" as if somehow thats being argued.

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The tyranny is to do with the people proposing laws not being democratically elected accountable representatives, and saying 'someone dumb thinks the way you do!' is not a fucking argument. I really didn't expect this level of dishonesty from you.
Even here you are trying to obscure any argument, the people proposing laws are elected each on theri own country and move on to propose laws as a group made by representatives of every country. Claiming they are not democratically elected representatives is dishonest to begin with.

Where do you think they are coming? they just sprout from the ground?
You havent made any point except to talk about tyranny and act offended at "level of dishonesty" while skirting everything. Come the fuck on dude.

Should I include a disclaimer that because Palin and Trump support it and theres a lot of racism going on following the vote that doesnt mean that everyone that voted was racist again? Just to make sure we have muddled any discussion further?
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#96  June 27, 2016, 12:22:35 am
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Now you're just openly lying, so I'm done here.

Maybe do some research into the EU yourself.
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However, there are some differences from national legislatures; for example, neither the Parliament nor the Council have the power of legislative initiative (except for the fact that the Council has the power in some intergovernmental matters). In Community matters, this is a power uniquely reserved for the European Commission (the executive). Therefore, while Parliament can amend and reject legislation, to make a proposal for legislation, it needs the Commission to draft a bill before anything can become law.

MEPs can't propose laws, dipshit.

edit: From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament, not from the one you linked.
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#99  June 27, 2016, 12:34:11 am
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They vote on them, you have a democratically elected group that votes on your laws which is exactly what you were complaining about, but instead of complaining that the commite making the laws wasnt elected you just went on and on about how it was  tyranny. If you want to make a point make a point, dont just shout nonsense.

Am I supposed to magically know what exactly you are mad about?  You still havent made a point. This STILL isnt what a tyranny is.



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#100  June 27, 2016, 12:34:23 am
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You're showing that british people are ignorant. It doesn't skew your way. It doesn't skew any way.
They're ignorant, and after they realized that they misunderstood something, They want a new vote. This can only come from the people who voted to leave, and they now want to change it after learning what it all meant. It can't possibly come from the people who voted to remain and now want to change their vote to "leave", because "leave" already won.

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No, it's not. Texas has democracy. The EU authorities don't work the way the US authorities do.
It's a matter of point of view. As far as those who want Texas to leave is concerned, the US is not democratic because they think the US government is not doing what they want and doesn't let them do what they want. The UK wants to leave because the EU doesn't let them do what they want. It IS the same argument.
You say the EU isn't democratic because it's not voted by the people, but it's made by the governments that was elected by the people. It's just that they can't agree on stuff and they make crap and they box themselves in, and then the commission tries to enforce that and it causes shit. It only feels like the people didn't vote for that because the people they each voted for can't agree with each other.

Calling the EU tyrannic is straight up bullshit.
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#102  June 27, 2016, 12:40:56 am
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And no, I said propose laws. Being able to vote down what other people want until eventually they find someone to buy off and get it passed is not fucking democracy.
The people sent to the commission to make laws are still sent by the governments that are elected by the people. It's still democracy. I mean, where the hell do you even think these people come from. And now you're claiming that there's corruption and people buying off others to get laws passed ? Since when. This isn't the NRA.
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Ive repeteadly said that it goes without saying you dont need to be a racist to support leaving. I even went as far as saying that having to state it is as ridiculous as having to state that not all men rape since it was so obvious.

The only one insulting anyone here is you calling me a dipshit ,misrepresenting my position, repeatedly telling me im a liar, dishonest and how you are  so so disappointed in me.
So far the only thing you could even construe as an insult is telling you that what you are describing is not a tyranny..


So im not really sure why you are still harping on the racist key unless its just to throw smoke in the air.
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Correct me if im wrong, but isn't the relationship of the EU and the countries that belong to it pretty similar to the relationship of the American government and the states that belong to it? I know dick about politics overall, but that's my general impression.
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Correct me if im wrong, but isn't the relationship of the EU and the countries that belong to it pretty similar to the relationship of the American government and the states that belong to it?
They have less control if you were to make a direct aproximation but the purpose is to eventually mesh the countries enough that it gets pretty close.


 this isnt coming up much but there are clear disavantages to being in the eu the countries involved get tangled , seriously tangled economically so when a country has issues it affects everyone.
Greece was a clear example  everyone else goes a bit worse in order to keep one of them afloat
you also get paid to halt production depending on what you produce
portugal was forbidden to produce more than a x gallons of milk, we could have sold much cheaper than any other country ebcause we are a huge production point but that would have ruined the economy of other countries
so instead they were paid to destroy production, This is a huge waste and is part of the whole economical thing that the EU has over the countries. There is less competition market wise
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#108  June 27, 2016, 01:22:17 am
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It's like one of the few sound reasons to support leave, now the UK (assuming they don't break up) will be free to maximize their economy without having to cater to less affluent nations. Though how they plan on doing that in the wake of recession is another matter.
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#109  June 27, 2016, 01:29:14 am
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Correct me if im wrong, but isn't the relationship of the EU and the countries that belong to it pretty similar to the relationship of the American government and the states that belong to it? I know dick about politics overall, but that's my general impression.
It's what they wish they could do. Each country still has its own laws, its own government, health care, education, economy. The USA are one country where each state is allowed to do their own thing on a number of aspects, the EU is a bunch of countries that have their own things going and try to come to an agreement on a bunch of points to keep each other up. If you look at the minimum wage for example, the USA have a federal level and then each state can work around that ; in Europe, to each his own, each country does it based on its own economy and it has nothing to do with Europe. The laws of each country has nothing to do with Europe either, they just add another layer on top of their own to meet specific European needs, but they work it into their laws. You never hear about a specific state of the US that goes down the shitter the way Greece did, because the US government is keeping it tight, and Europe doesn't have that.
It's all about the differences of a country that's split up in several states, and a bunch of countries that try to plug themselves into each other. But yeah, they all wish it could count as a single block to the rest of the world, just like the US.
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#110  June 27, 2016, 01:36:15 am
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I wish we could all be citizen of one big nation called earth . =/

Nationalism, being proud about the region where you are born..racism..all that is so dumb and for me a part of the humans of yesterday. But sadly its still a part of probably 95% humans of today at least.

I see the Brexit as one small step backward.
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Lol Brits politicians said they won't give money to NHS then what the fuck they voted for?
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well been reading the market today my country will benefit more that the uk is no longer eu especially in oil and tariff in import and exports guess thats good for us.
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well, there's some people who will benefit with brexit, but in general it bogs down the rest of the economy and you have to wonder if it's worth improving only your life while making everything worse for the rest.
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well the world is round. im sure they understand and they cant stop what already been done idk what counter measure other countries have but they've got 2 years do it.
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they can't , the other ocuntries are already under the image of the britain not wanting to be part of the EU so they want them gone asap. already have some acquaitances losing jobs and moving to canadia.
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#117  June 29, 2016, 03:48:54 pm
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I wish we could all be citizen of one big nation called earth . =/

Nationalism, being proud about the region where you are born..racism..all that is so dumb and for me a part of the humans of yesterday. But sadly its still a part of probably 95% humans of today at least.

I see the Brexit as one small step backward.

Cultures are not equal, you may have been exposed to the better aspects of yours and have good altruistic values but those are not necesarily corresponding with those on the other side of the fence.

People have to be proud of the country they where born, not only validate of the blood, tears and sweat spilled by our forefathers but as a sign of gratefulness because people that were before you fought so that you today could have a easier and more free life. That gift comes also with the moral responsability to make the country they died for can achieve even more prosperity.

And no, don't think that only 5% think that the world today should be a gray mesh amalgamation of all cultures and ethnicities, that all geographical barriers should be takendown; most of the youths today are being taught this is 'diversity' and that nationalism is equivalent to racism and bigotry.
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I mostly agree.

Unless all kids from different cultures are kidnapped at birth and placed into a safe space and selectively bred to look the same universally without any possibility of physical or psychological difference until every old dog dies, then there won't even begin to be any sense in trying to make one big world culture. Different cultures just don't get along. Different people just don't get along. You can hope and wish there was one big world culture, but the reality is that the current state and biology of human beings doesn't and won't allow such a thing. The most one can hope for is an extended period where most people are able to accept those cultures which are different without trying to impose personal wills upon those who dissent.

Being proud of a country's founders is different than being grateful. I don't believe one should take pride in something that is not an extension of their own blood and sweat. Respect the work of your forefathers, but do your own work to garner the same respect as your forefathers from those generations that come after you, then you may feel pride in what you've personally contributed.
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I get what you say, even if not out of gratitude at least for self dignity; the people before us where no better human beings than we are, but they built the foundations of the society we live. We at least must carry the moral responsability to build a better social eviroment for our descendants.

But its heartbreaking that not only the young men and women of this generation, who are maturing very late or not reaching mental adulthood at all, not only are being ungrateful for their forefathers but also disrespectful of their elders...

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/eu-referendum-old-people-should-not-vote

...like they will never get to be old and have children themselves. :(
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#120  June 30, 2016, 09:41:18 am
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Well, stock has bounced back up. Obviously when the world didn't instantly end it looked fine again. On the bonus side, a lot of financiers and hedge fund managers and stock brokers are all just that little bit richer right now. And the currency speculators are rolling in it. Hope they paid taxes on all of that.

Still don't know how this will turn out. Not overly happy that the people who gained off it are gits who always gain off others misfortune, bad luck, or bad choices.


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thats how market works bro. anyway for me im satisfied with the result yeah sure many people are affected negatively but what can we do about it? its their country its their vote if we make a profit from their brexit its not our fault.
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thats how market works bro. anyway for me im satisfied with the result yeah sure many people are affected negatively but what can we do about it? its their country its their vote if we make a profit from their brexit its not our fault.

well, they sure wanted to make a profit on their brexit without caring aobut other countries' consequences, so there's that.
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#123  July 04, 2016, 02:38:21 pm
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Nigel Farage Resigned, last seen flipping double birds at people while being carted off and thrown into the thames

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jul/04/brexit-live-plan-leave-vote-hysteria-boris-johnson

(He'll stay on as MEP for another two years, getting paid 80k a year. In Euro, not Sterling.

He currently ranks 747th out of 751 for attendance at EU Parliament.)


Boris johnson hysterically wants government to stop all the brexit hysteria , which was ofcourse devised by him.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/685891/Boris-Johnson-Government-Michael-Gove-David-Cameron-George-Osborne-politics-EU-referendum

Meanwhile the future pm they want to push towards the position.
has hasd info leaked that shows her as being PRO EUROPE. That goddamned traitor.
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#124  November 04, 2016, 01:51:43 pm
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Brexit may not go through after all.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37857785

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The government is appealing, with a further hearing expected next month.
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that was mentioned back then, the ideaq was that the congress will ahve to follow the referendum out of principle, since it's already been shown that it is the will of the uk people to leave the eu.