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#1  September 01, 2016, 04:14:40 am
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And it was not exactly a smart thing.

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#2  September 01, 2016, 04:28:24 am
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I can feel YT falling everytime they do "smart" things like this one.
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#3  September 01, 2016, 04:43:02 am
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oh lawdy, how am i going to monetize my holocaust denial videos now?
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#4  September 01, 2016, 04:58:51 am
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fucking youtube is going to screw itself over
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#5  September 01, 2016, 05:28:10 am
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Where exactly is this on YouTube, because I can't, for the life of me, find it.
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#6  September 01, 2016, 05:30:21 am
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#7  September 01, 2016, 05:32:50 am
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Well the image in particular comes from Philip Defranco's video that he posted today

Now I like Phil, but did he cite his sources on where he got it?  Is there a link in the description of his video that leads you to the policy change?
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#8  September 01, 2016, 05:53:53 am
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wait...what's going on now? Youtube did another crappy change? I need to see some info on this, because atm I see really no details and I just got home from work and whatnot.
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#9  September 01, 2016, 05:54:34 am
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#10  September 01, 2016, 05:57:30 am
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Oh....I see. This crap is happening again, and now Youtube is boosting up censorship. I guess too many 5-10 year olds are becoming assholes just by watching vids.
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#11  September 01, 2016, 06:07:43 am
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#12  September 01, 2016, 06:10:50 am
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Soooooo........They doing this bullshit again :argue:
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#13  September 01, 2016, 06:16:49 am
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Content that is considered "not advertiser-friendly" includes, but is not limited to:

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Inappropriate language, including harassment, profanity and vulgar language
Looks like a bunch of Youtube LP'ers are FUCKED
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#14  September 01, 2016, 06:38:42 am
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Ah, in THAT case... what they're probably trying to do: get out of paying a shitton of people by establishing a bullshit rule that would automatically disqualify them.

What this means: they're running out of money to pay a lot of these idiots.



Or they could just be turning into social justice shitbags (refuse to call it "liberal" because this is far from it).
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#15  September 01, 2016, 06:48:10 am
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#16  September 01, 2016, 07:08:54 am
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The real problem is that political and controversial ruling.  That's such a huge gray area that it could be potentially used for some very nasty purposes.
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#17  September 01, 2016, 07:12:10 am
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Ah, in THAT case... what they're probably trying to do: get out of paying a shitton of people by establishing a bullshit rule that would automatically disqualify them.

What this means: they're running out of money to pay a lot of these idiots.



Or they could just be turning into social justice shitbags (refuse to call it "liberal" because this is far from it).
Way I see it either one works for me. Last thing we now need is a bunch of Political-Chamberpots screwing up our lives, but Youtube running out of money to give: That I can definately see.
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#18  September 01, 2016, 07:33:45 am
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If they go after hippies now, that's fine with me. Please tell me they're going after Vegans next.
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#20  September 01, 2016, 09:39:39 am
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#21  September 01, 2016, 09:41:04 am
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Just when you thought YT couldn't be anymore stupid.
PotS said:
That they don't just restrict themselves to my style.

Fact.
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#22  September 01, 2016, 01:43:53 pm
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They'll repeal it within a week, just like all the other times they tried to update their TOS with stupidly vague language that would de-monetize 80% of the videos on their site.  There's no way they're actually going to stick with a rule as stupid as "Nobody on the internet is allowed to say a bad word."
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#23  September 01, 2016, 01:48:05 pm
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If they go after hippies now, that's fine with me. Please tell me they're going after Vegans next.
I thought that was fear-mongering bullshit at first, but the same channel actually has a 'pro' nuclear energy video as well.
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#24  September 01, 2016, 07:31:51 pm
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#27  September 01, 2016, 11:42:19 pm
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So no dick jokes, no ass jokes, no boob jokes, no Aristocrats jokes, no stick figures maiming each other, no documentations of domestic abuse videos.
No "fuck", "shit", "damn", "hell", "cock", "balls", "tits", or any other variations of swearing, like: "darn", "crap", "crud", etc.
No drug abuse videos?

And no videos of national and international history, politics, culture, etc.?

"If you want to monetize your video, you have to bow and present your 'butt' to the SJW strap-on and let them 'use' you first".

Youtube, to paraphrase AVGN: "You fist-fucked yourself straight up your doggy diarrhea asshole!"
Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 11:55:21 pm by The Sudden Rarity
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#28  September 01, 2016, 11:53:24 pm
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Lovely idea Youtube.

Given what's been said, odds are good these rulings will either be repealed or altered in part or in whole.

Who, for example, is exactly determining what is and is not controversial? Controversy varies from country to country, after all.

EDIT: Did Twitter ever change that thing they did that was similar to this?
Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 11:56:51 pm by Dumanios
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#29  September 02, 2016, 02:04:03 am
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The amount of bugs that happend in these days isn't enough huh?
Another shitty idea, nice job Youtube. >:(
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#30  September 02, 2016, 02:19:36 am
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it's just more rules with very vague wording that can be open to almost any interpretation, so they can demonetize any video and can point to the rules as the reason. same thing as twitter and facebook. expect no consistency because of the sheer amount of content (just like twitter). expect videos that get reported a lot to be automatically demonetized.
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#31  September 03, 2016, 02:16:12 am
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#32  September 03, 2016, 02:52:18 am
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Some serious shit going on here, guys.
Suddenly, bow-wow-wow~. :3
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#33  September 03, 2016, 12:04:09 pm
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I just looked up the video and ads are playing on it, so I guess Youtube fixed it???
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#34  September 03, 2016, 07:05:13 pm
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The fact they've done it at all is the kicker.
Suddenly, bow-wow-wow~. :3
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#35  September 03, 2016, 09:13:32 pm
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All it tells me is that it was (probably) false-flagged, Youtube pulled the monetizing, guy argued for it, got it back.

Looks like business as usual, really.
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#36  September 04, 2016, 07:03:59 am
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So does this mean pewdiepie ain't getting shit for all those videos where he said "*someone* is gonna get raped!!!"?
The policy sounds good to me baby :3c

it's because they are already content with what they have done, mugen is not a paying job so as long as the charcter works for a creator that's enough; one's persons crouching while running is another person's change it to pots style.
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#37  September 04, 2016, 07:53:01 am
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Sorry to mess with your echo chamber boys, but I've been searching far and wide for a video that can make me give a damn about this subject, and I finally found it.



TL;DR YT doesn't owe anyone jack shit, this move makes sense from its perspective, nobody's being censored, fuck Franco.
Last Edit: September 04, 2016, 07:56:33 am by Brave li'l Fubs
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#38  September 04, 2016, 07:58:24 am
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#39  September 04, 2016, 11:38:10 am
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Sorry to mess with your echo chamber boys, but I've been searching far and wide for a video that can make me give a damn about this subject, and I finally found it.

[youtube]DqFf-UCRJm8[/youtube]

TL;DR YT doesn't owe anyone jack shit, this move makes sense from its perspective, nobody's being censored, fuck Franco.

The move is fine.  The execution of said move is not.

Read the fine print on the new TOS and it is almost impossible to argue that it's unreasonable.  It gives leeway to swearing and vulgar content if it's used in an informative or comedic/entertaining context, and not one intended to be shocking.  The problem is that it isn't making the distinction because they are using automated bots to determine what is unmonetizable because having live human beings is not feasible.  The problem is not the new TOS itself, but the poor handling of the situation and the way YT has not communicated with its users or made a better effort to properly enforce it. 
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#40  September 04, 2016, 12:33:15 pm
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Remember: The videos aren't getting removed, the content "creators" just aren't getting paid for them, and if they want to be paid, they gotta make sure they're following the rules (or provide an argument as to why it's okay).

It's pretty easy to qualify for monetizing videos. Hell, my WarioAkuma account on Youtube was given the offer to monetize (which I turned down for obvious reasons). As you mentioned, it's impossible for human beings to constantly monitor every damn thing that gets uploaded to Youtube, so they *need* an automated process to help trim the fat (and if my channel qualifying for monetization is any indication, there's a LOT of fat to trim). And yes it's going to make mistakes, so that's when a concerned content creator has to actually take action and prove that their video is okay, which is when things *can* be taken care of by actual human beings.

The vid Fubs posted was pretty good, but here's another way of looking at it. Say you walk into McDonald's and go to the manager and say "Hey guess what, I'm gonna start working here in hopes of getting money." No interview, just taking up space in the restaurant and demanding to be part of the payroll. Strangely the manager decides that he'll let you in. So you're on the register taking orders and you're regularly swearing or giving your customers lip, or you're making the hamburgers and you make it wrong and just expect the customer to deal with it. Your manager is starting to take notice that you're a piece of shit worker, yet instead of firing you, he says "Hey, I don't mind you working here, but you're not going to get paid a dime for anything you do if you keep that shit up."

This is the bizarre business model that Youtube has, which I probably don't need to tell you is way more lenient than any real job you can find, even the worst of the worst-paying ones.

When you start monetizing your videos, Youtube ceases to be a platform for your "freedom of speech" or whatever. It becomes a job, and every job has rules that you have to follow, and when you are being questioned on how you perform your job, it's your responsibility to prove your innocence or accept the consequences of your actions.
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#41  September 04, 2016, 08:52:23 pm
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That's a good analogy, but the thing is that Youtube is part of the market of online video services, where different demographics need different kinds of entertainment and that means different content.  I think the solution is to have a ratings system with the higher ratings meaning less money because of a smaller viewer base and fewer advertisers willing to run their ads before higher rated videos.  Make false flagging and using unsuitable ratings a serious offense, and since the bot system would not work here you'd have to leave it up to users to flag videos just like when they violate the TOS already, although that may be a bit of a tall order.

Another real issue is just how vague it is.  What about trailers for movies or games?  What about music?  Do the companies uploading them lose their revenue if they violate these TOS, or do those fall under the "educational or entertainment" clause?  What about news channels or the official channels of politicians or journalists for the "controversial subjects" clause?  The vagueness is the real problem.  Many sites have a TOS similar to if not outright identical to Youtube's new one, but it's far less vague and their staff are able to communicate with their users to prevent confusion.  Youtube has a massive userbase so there's a lot of communication that needs to be done. 
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Youtube's TOS has to be vague. A rating system wouldn't work. Crass, violent and sexual =/= not advertising friendly.

Youtube makes most of its money selling normie ads. They care about big conglomerates, like P&G or Coca Cola.

I could make a video of myself rambling for half an hour about abortion and why I'm pro-choice without swearing,  insults or graphic imagery and it wouldn't be advertising friendly.

Why? even if everyone and their mother has an opinion on abortion, most companies would be adverse to endorse such video (and staunchly pro-life only fare a bit better).

Or do you think Coca Cola wants its brand associated with abortion and my ugly mug?
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#43  September 04, 2016, 10:36:16 pm
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I hardly doubt anybody is going to associate "Enjoy Coca-Cola" with PewDiePie screaming about raping a virtual pig.

And people will associate YouTube with what they already associate it with: wasting time and doing stupid shit. That's not going to change.
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#44  September 04, 2016, 10:55:20 pm
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The 'controversial topics' line covers things that are routinely covered by any news source. What they're doing here is shitting on alternative media. It's goddamn terrifying.
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#45  September 04, 2016, 11:15:51 pm
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Youtube's TOS has to be vague. A rating system wouldn't work. Crass, violent and sexual =/= not advertising friendly.

Youtube makes most of its money selling normie ads. They care about big conglomerates, like P&G or Coca Cola.

I could make a video of myself rambling for half an hour about abortion and why I'm pro-choice without swearing,  insults or graphic imagery and it wouldn't be advertising friendly.

Why? even if everyone and their mother has an opinion on abortion, most companies would be adverse to endorse such video (and staunchly pro-life only fare a bit better).

Or do you think Coca Cola wants its brand associated with abortion and my ugly mug?

If what you were saying were true, absolutely no news station or radio talk show would have advertizers at all.   

Your example is not a good one.  Your opinion on abortion is unlikely to find an audience.  News and entertainment would not have this problem.  Audiences is what advertizers want.

I hardly doubt anybody is going to associate "Enjoy Coca-Cola" with PewDiePie screaming about raping a virtual pig.

And people will associate YouTube with what they already associate it with: wasting time and doing stupid shit. That's not going to change.

This is 100% true.  Can you name off the top of your head what ads were run during the last episode of The Walking Dead you watched? 
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#46  September 04, 2016, 11:30:31 pm
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I hardly doubt anybody is going to associate "Enjoy Coca-Cola" with PewDiePie screaming about raping a virtual pig.

And people will associate YouTube with what they already associate it with: wasting time and doing stupid shit. That's not going to change.
The problem is your associations as a consumer are different from your associations as a business/worker. For example, I associate Food Network with Alton Brown making delicious-as-fuck food, shitty reality shows about food, and Guy Fieri eating comfort food in a most sensual way. If I was working at Food Network, I'd be trying to focus on getting as many people to watch my food shows as possible, hence the shitty reality shows, and dropping Paula Deen for her associations with being racist against black people.

PewDiePie will continue to thrive because Youtube knows that literally millions of people like his brand of "entertainment," and because even PewDiePie adapted his humor to appeal to a more general audience (he actually did a public apology for joking about rape), and you will see this trend reflected in the most successful Youtube LPers. Meanwhile, you have people like Asalieri who always has problems with monetizing his vids because a lot of them end up subtley encouraging his fans to attack other Youtubers or taking strong stances against SJWs and Bill Cosby's detractors, because people have strong stances on both sides of the issues, which advertising would strongly give off the wrong impression. In short, the successful Youtubers will be the ones that can appeal to the most people.

Is there a market for stuff that goes against this trend? Yes, there are plenty of independent producers who are funded by other like-minded individuals ready to support their cause. These people will never be the mainstream, however, because, again, most people won't be into it. For example, I'm a fan of Wes Anderson's works and am always on the lookout for new projects by him, but his movies are not very marketable to the mainstream audiences because to the average movie-goer, they're boring artsy movies with deadpan acting and stories with with plots that don't resolve conventionally.

So the short of it is, if you want to be profitable as a content-creator, you have to be able to appeal to everyone. You're free to do/believe whatever you want, but don't expect to make money if it's not popular.
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That makes sense, but wouldn't that be best implemented through a ratings system like Duos was talking about? Keep in mind he wasn't talking about star ratings, he was talking about ratings like TV show ratings, as in, how many people tune in to watch a particular program. This would encourage people to keep their audiences coming and appeal to as many as possible. Those that don't keep their ratings up get their shit demonetized. That simple.
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If what you were saying were true, absolutely no news station or radio talk show would have advertizers at all.
Go watch the video I posted again, it explains the difference between youtube's everything goes model vs the more specific model mainstream media uses, and why even popular content like the Howard Stern Show can be considered non-advertising friendly depending on the platform it's on.

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This would encourage people to keep their audiences coming and appeal to as many as possible. Those that don't keep their ratings up get their shit demonetized. That simple.
That's pretty much how it's going to work, except it'll be a lot more opaque. YT is unlikely to demonetize any wildly successful channel *permanently* unless its content really crosses the line. The bots will fuck from time to time, but then again some popular channels get deleted and then restored, so this isn't really all too different. At the end of the day the only people who will really suffer from this are some midsized fringe channels.
Last Edit: September 05, 2016, 12:05:28 am by Brave li'l Fubs