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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#81  April 12, 2012, 07:33:20 am
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no according to me, Caddie thinks all transgendered to have collective hive mind, they have same motive, same feeling allover the world.

he also got confused about his own idea and facts:

transgender women want to be accepted as women (1st statement)
this transgender woman who want to be accepted as woman compete in miss transgender queen (2nd statement)
the same transgender woman now want to compete in missuniverse because she want to be accepted as normal woman (3rd statement)
all of this based on his experience with transgendered friends who truly want to be accepted as women, but they don't compete in any beauty pageants (4th statement)

Rajaa+ Caddie opinion:
Being successful = entering missuniverse as a contestant
there is no other way.

imo:
-all contestants of beauty pageants are attention seekers, miss universe is not the most beautiful and intellectual woman of this planet, but only the best of the attention seeking women in that year, they don't want to blend in they want to stand out.

to be accepted as woman she needs to blend with women as one of the millions of other women  not to be in the headline of newspapers as the 1st ever transgender queen who compete in miss universe.

To be a successful woman is totally achievable without pulling any attention of what gender she was born with, through other channels as a musician, artist, architect, clothes designer, hair dresser, lawyer, doctor, cosmetic experts, etc.

that is why Caddie's friends are probably not competing in beauty pageant, because they just want to be normal women.

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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#82  April 12, 2012, 07:35:19 am
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Nobody agrees with you, mostly because you're wrong and dogmatic.

kakkoii superhero

Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#83  April 12, 2012, 07:46:26 am
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I don't care. 
since when you represent everybody

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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#84  April 12, 2012, 08:15:58 am
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If Rajaa representing me means I disagree with you on the grounds that you're wrong and overly dogmatic, then yes.  Incidentally:

Sir, said, April 11, 2012, 04:22:14 pm
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“Miss Universe” voting is open to people located in the home countries of the 2011 “Miss Universe” contestants.
And even then, this only seems to get contestants as far as being national finalists.  Everything past then is decided upon by a ten-judge panel.

kakkoii superhero

Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#85  April 12, 2012, 08:44:31 am
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OK. it is easy to say I'm wrong without even telling what part of my view that is wrong to you?
I'm stay true to my word, I don't bend it to fit the community's trend, or to make myself popular into today's standard, however If you can show where I did my mistake that make sense to me, I will acknowledge it and apologize. and use your viewpoint as replacement of mine,
if you can't then I will stick to what I have said.

because so far none of you explain why you labeled me sexist or racist, while I didn't make any racist or sexist statements in my posts here. 

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#86  April 12, 2012, 01:02:17 pm
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You're wrong because you're not right.

Mog

Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#87  April 12, 2012, 01:03:23 pm
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Rajaa said, April 12, 2012, 07:35:19 am
Nobody agrees with you, mostly because you're wrong and dogmatic.

And nobody agrees with you because you're pretentious and condescending,  but what does that have to do with the topic?   

On topic, a tg athlete could probably have an advantage but I dont see that happening in Miss Universe.

:bow:

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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#88  April 12, 2012, 01:04:20 pm
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I'm not pretentious, but you just proved that you are. But what does that have to do with the topic?

Mog

Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#89  April 12, 2012, 01:08:58 pm
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no YOU!  I'm telling mom!!

 ;P

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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#90  April 12, 2012, 01:09:59 pm
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Guys, guys! You're both pretentious!

But not as pretentious as me. Get on my level, newbies. 8)

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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#91  April 12, 2012, 01:14:13 pm
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MissBHaven said, April 12, 2012, 01:08:58 pm
no YOU!  I'm telling mom!!
You're not my sister anymore, you transgender trucker named Bob.


Sir, said, April 12, 2012, 08:44:31 am
OK. it is easy to say I'm wrong without even telling what part of my view that is wrong to you?
I'm stay true to my word, I don't bend it to fit the community's trend, or to make myself popular into today's standard, however If you can show where I did my mistake that make sense to me, I will acknowledge it and apologize. and use your viewpoint as replacement of mine,
if you can't then I will stick to what I have said.

because so far none of you explain why you labeled me sexist or racist, while I didn't make any racist or sexist statements in my posts here.
Sorry, I don't think anyone that thinks allowing transgender people to participate in a pageant is doing it because it's popular. You are not respectable simply because you stay by your word, and neither is your position.

Bending your viewpoints and changing is not something that is necessarily bad and it's no wonder many of your posts make you look like a bigot because you're still stuck in the past. Time for you to grow up and realize that you don't have all of the answers.

Valodim

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#92  April 12, 2012, 01:28:45 pm
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Hm. This is a weird issue.

One might argue that, just like the Miss International Queen is a beauty pagean for transgender women only, the Miss Universe is one for natural born women only. This is an open question. It was never specified before because when the Miss Universe stuff was founded in the 50s it just wasn't relevant.

Now I'm not saying transgender women don't have a certain point, but why do transgender women have a contest where only transgender women are allowed, and at the same time demand they are allowed in some other contest, condemning people who say "this was meant as a contest for natural women only!", this is not how tolerance should work.

From my point of view, it's a historical problem of tolerance that we are going to overcome soon enough. I'm looking forward to the day when it's just as politically incorrect to exclude natural women from your beauty contest as it is to exclude transgender ones ;D

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#93  April 13, 2012, 04:28:09 am
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intolerance can no longer be tolerated by "tolerant" people I guess...

Cobra Caddie

Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#94  April 13, 2012, 04:57:50 am
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Well that's a different issue. There are many pageants that have a set criteria, for example, and these are only ones that I've heard as an American, Miss Teen USA and Miss Black USA. Those are exclusive pageants.

But Miss Universe is supposed to be at about finding the best of the best right? Since it's a best of the best competition, wouldn't it make sense to be as inclusive as possible, as far as representation goes?

For the record I was going to post this last night, but decided that it was very strange for a group of men to be discussing beauty pageants on a Mugen forum. I guess I couldn't help myself.
Last Edit: April 13, 2012, 05:02:32 am by Caddie

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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#95  April 13, 2012, 04:25:39 pm
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SilentRipper said, April 13, 2012, 04:28:09 am
intolerance can no longer be tolerated by "tolerant" people I guess...

And people confuse "tolerance" with "acceptance", just because I tolerate that a person like shorrible music it does not mean that I accept that music as being good.

Lobo

Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#96  April 13, 2012, 06:39:43 pm
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Only in a beauty pageant would beauty be blown so out of proportion. I treat transgendered people just like I would treat anyone. I don't see why society cares so much about mate selection to the point where it dominates their lives. If the environment doesn't have a problem with it I wouldn't either. However, if the contest says you have to have been born female then they must yield to that as well. So if the criteria finds you have a Y chromosome then you're out. Even if you have some genetic abnormality. Having a problem with it at that point is like saying that a guy is allowed to be in Miss Universe.

Now in this case I assume that the 'Miss' in Miss Universe is used loosely so if that is what they made as the rules of the pagent then it is okay. But noone is beyond established rules. If someone can manipulate their way into getting into it then the contest itself is weak and needs to be changed.

When I see a transgendered person trying to take part in something superficial as this it reminds me why they are no different than anyone else.

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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#97  April 14, 2012, 01:26:33 am
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Caddie said, April 13, 2012, 04:57:50 am
For the record I was going to post this last night, but decided that it was very strange for a group of men to be discussing beauty pageants on a Mugen forum. I guess I couldn't help myself.
It could be worse; you could be discussing a children's beauty pageant!

Valodim

Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#98  April 14, 2012, 04:15:24 am
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kakkoii superhero

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#99  May 21, 2012, 01:05:04 pm
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Re: Transgenders now allowed to compete in Miss Universe Pageant
#100  May 21, 2012, 01:14:47 pm
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Nearly all..if not all the women be they born as women or not went trough multiple surgerys, they wear a ton of make up and are anything but "natural" anyway..lol so what does it matter today how they were born? Beauty contests these days are more like contests of the surgery specialists than the women.
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