I get why there's a public staff section. But at this point it's kind of useless. In terms of notifying members of things that can be done through warnings and what not. So a public staff talk section is less than needed -- alternatively discussing warnings in private might be a better idea.
The public staff section is public for transparency purposes. We post there more often than any other staff section that may or may not exist so that you can see the thought process in our decision making. There's no need for a private section with the exception for when people who told us things in confidence did so with the understanding that it would be kept private, which is rare.So for the most part, the public staff section is the only staff section we really use. It's NOT for "notifying members of things that can be done through warnings and what not", it's public, like I said, for transparency purposes.
As Caddie said it's all for transparency purposes.We actually discourage keeping issues and discussions private, in order to keep members in the loop, and to keep staff members accountable and in check.
Rajaa said, August 02, 2011, 10:01:21 amI was going to take this thread seriously, but then I saw that Momo! made it, so I changed my mind.I was being serious assman ...or should I say JACKASSman!My main point here was that in recent times it was becoming more used by people who were banned or warned to feel attacked because they were mentioned in the public staff forum...not realizing that there was a reason for that. Surely there's a way to stay transparent/keep the public staff but keep warnings private? Like it's not like it needs to be out there, y'all PM individuals breaking the rules anyway...
Caddie said, August 02, 2011, 05:24:53 amit's public for transparency purposes. Sorry, but that made me lol a bit.
Although my point's not important, I found that sort of contradictory.As soon as I read that I immediately thought the same thing as Cybaster.Cybaster said, August 02, 2011, 06:54:23 amFor the sake of transparency, make the hidden private staff section public !!! But either way, I'm perfectly fine with the public staff section. It does its job imo.
Transparency means that anyone can see what its being discussed, so its open to read, this thread was requesting it to be removed the ability to read from everyone that wasnt a staff member.,The private section only deals with stuff from pms
Iced said, August 02, 2011, 12:57:29 pmTransparency means that anyone can see what its being discussed, so its open to read, this thread was requesting it to be removed the ability to read from everyone that wasnt a staff member.,I know what it means, thanks. I was suggesting that if its purpose is to assure transparency, then everything should be transparent... But if the private section deals with PMs then my issue is even less important.
i'm don't want to fully debate all this other than say i support momo's stance and offer a statement to compliment it.transparency is one thing if you are being transparent to the subject at hand. they are the only ones that really require transparency. whatever can be discussed in private, and then sent to the subject. how it works now with everything in public, it opens said subject up to ridicule from others (a few mocking posts by shoshingo come to mind but i'm sure a few other things have happened too which momo referred to)
The public staff section is nothing but condescending trolling on the part of the people who post there. It's nothing but another "we are more important than everyone else" power trip the staff likes to indulge in. But that's OK too.
Iced said, August 02, 2011, 12:57:29 pmTransparency means that anyone can see what its being discussed, so its open to read, this thread was requesting it to be removed the ability to read from everyone that wasnt a staff member.,The private section only deals with stuff from pmsand porn.
Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 04:25:37 pmit opens said subject up to ridicule from othersif you make stupid posts you're going to be ridiculed regardless of staff forums being public or not
Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 04:25:37 pmi'm don't want to fully debate all this other than say i support momo's stance and offer a statement to compliment it.transparency is one thing if you are being transparent to the subject at hand. they are the only ones that really require transparency. whatever can be discussed in private, and then sent to the subject. how it works now with everything in public, it opens said subject up to ridicule from others (a few mocking posts by shoshingo come to mind but i'm sure a few other things have happened too which momo referred to)You just don't want people to see the threads that are about you. You don't support Momo because you genuinely agree with him, you support Momo because you want to protect your already tarnished image. Look at you bringing personal examples into it. Stop being self centered, nobody cares about you.And no, you're not sure that a few other things happened, how can you be sure while not being sure? Stop being ridiculous.The transparency of the staff board also gives people an idea of how not to act. If your name shows up there in a bad way, then it's because you've been bad and you should stop whatever it is you're doing. It's not to publicly humiliate people, it's to prevent people from publicly humiliating themselves.Saying, "It's useless," doesn't prove anything, I can prove it's not useless. Saying it messes up people's images in the community doesn't work, either; if you're being talked about, then you most likely brought it upon yourself.We move some threads from private to public sometimes because most of us think it's a good idea, nothing bad has happened because of it. Tell us some bad things that happened because of the transparency and maybe we can improve ourselves. Don't just bring in stupid, nonfactual, opinionated, personal bullshit to justify it not being needed.
