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T_N's long and rocky road (Read 155402 times)

Started by The_None, November 15, 2015, 02:25:36 pm
Re: T_N's long and rocky road
#141  April 05, 2019, 10:47:38 pm
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Yup, took a crack at spriting Santos from Trio The Punch, and part of me feels like I forgot how to apply the lightning (from top angle rather than top and side), especially on the face (altho' I'd guess that may as well be his backwards cap complicating a few things, I dunno)
Re: T_N's long and rocky road
#142  April 06, 2019, 08:44:07 pm
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So against my better judgement - and before I got any feedback at all (let alone anything sufficient) on my previous sprite - I ended up taking a knack at doing.... one of the more 'memorable' figures of the cast of Tiertex's attempt at developing their own unofficial Street Fighter I sequel. This time rather than me starting out with dark fillings and applying lights and shadows I went out to start with brighter fillings and adding in the shadows later. Of course this being me not having much of an idea what am I doing with lightning and other stuff (I still do need help after all, and I have a feeling this thread would end up having a streak of around 10-ish posts of mine with no replies isn't it?) it went around as "well" as I could expect, maybe it's just me tho'
Re: T_N's long and rocky road
#143  April 06, 2019, 08:59:46 pm
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It's hard to put into words exactly what's wrong with your sprites, but I'll try. I assume you're still using that vector technique you showed off a few pages back, yeah? The results just aren't that good, even if it allows you to animate things easier, since the linework ends up pretty messy most of the time and that affects the overall presentation of your sprites. In addition, the anatomy is all over the place (I have genuinely no idea what's going on with the above guy's legs at all), the faces look really off, and the shading never quite seems consistent across the entire sprite; in the above sprite, it's also worth noting that there's barely any contrast on the shirt at all.
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Re: T_N's long and rocky road
#144  April 08, 2019, 11:50:21 pm
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I'd guess this may have to do with how after all of these years there are still a lot of things in graphics I still have a hard time nailing it down (doesn't help when for some things I don't feel I've got sufficient enough of help in them), especially for things I'd have to do entirely on my own (there's probably a reason why some of the traced characters like Beavis, Butthead, Balthazar's Dink, Clippy and others are among the sprites that came out most well). If I could actually draw worth a damn I would've done well with any technique. But with my deficiencies within my artistic abilities you can magically bring me some sort of automated graphics tool you can conjure up with and chances are I would end up still churning out something rather amateurish with it. Maybe it's just me tho'

Remminds me to reassure myself do I still have it regarding tracing at least, I've lazily grabbed a Youtube screencap of Bryan Fury (could've booted up Tekken 7 myself to get a nice clean screencap myself but as I've said, I was a bit lazy) then traced off from that, scaled down the vectors and did some pixel touchups. I've left the sprite unshaded as I'd rather be sure I got things right before proceeding further with essentially polishing the unmentionable. (Interestingly apparently @Ink: thought the lineart was good enough to have him play around with my own lineart)
Re: T_N's long and rocky road
#145  April 09, 2019, 12:02:16 am
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As someone who mains Bryan above anyone else in Tekken, I definitely don't remember him having such a pointy chin and nose. What I tend to see in the sprites where you're trying to go for more realistic anatomy instead of cartoony noodle limbs is that you don't define muscles well at all, instead scribbling in a few squiggles here and there that make it look more like wrinkles or saggy fat than pure beef.

It would definitely help to have someone more competent than myself critique your work, since they could probably do better than me simply pointing out what I think is wrong.
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Re: T_N's long and rocky road
#146  April 09, 2019, 04:35:19 am
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You need to stop rushing into the details of your sprites and focus on the base before going forward. Putting detail on a bad base is basically polishing a turd, sorry that I can't put it in a nicer way.

This unfortunately means that yes, you'll need to practice your drawing to be better at pixel art. If anything, start with learning how to draw shapes in 3D space and breaking down the anatomy into easy-to-understand shapes; from there you can anchor your anatomy in the proper spots and yadda-yadda-yadda get a more anatomically appealing result.

I did this with the top part of your Bwyan Bryan sprite to show you what I mean:



it's probably not perfect (you can notice I struggled with his right (viewer) arm and hand and did some guesswork to get it drawn, and this was done on short notice), but when you break things down into shapes, it becomes easier to know where to place the details correctly, and eliminate a huge amount of guesswork on your part.

To get better at pixel art, you need to start practicing how to draw, there's just no way around it. Tough shit, but it's worth practicing, especially if you wanna sprite your own characters and make them look good.

These two channels have really helped me out when it comes to fundamentals, so yeah, I'll recommend them to you, pretty comprehensive and easy to follow along with:

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Re: T_N's long and rocky road
#147  May 08, 2019, 01:02:42 am
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To add to the above reply, you could also use something like Design Doll to flesh out your bases.  You can learn a lot about musculature, proportions, and even lighting from it if used properly.

My own workflow has changed a bit thanks to it.