I stumbled upon some sprites from a cellphone fighting game of Avatar: The Last Airbender.I'm almost positive these are traced Jump Ultimate Stars sprites!Take a look for yourself: http://sdb.drshnaps.com/game.php?game=1985
haha nice...they same really familiar, not exactly the same, but really close to be equals (position)
Well, maybe they didn't trace over, but used the proportions and animations as reference, a bit like SeanAltly does to sprite his characters : totally new sprites from scratch, but using other chars from SF/KOF as reference for the animation.Good job finding that.
That would still make them traces as far as animation goes, tracing the motion is tracing the original work of someone.
Iced said, August 28, 2010, 02:52:57 pmThat would still make them traces as far as animation goes, tracing the motion is tracing the original work of someone.True, but you can't really copyright the movement of the human body and its anatomy.
MirageAtoli said, August 29, 2010, 06:46:23 amTrue, but you can't really copyright the movement of the human body and its anatomy.That doesnt mean you cant prove that someone else used YOUR work when doing those and thus would be unable to do them without your presence.If you animate a short about whatever, lets say, gorillas, then along comes someone and traces over robots, you can still get them for having used your work as a base.If it can bbe shown that your work was the base for the movement, so yeah, this fits. motion is so important that disney used to copy their dance acts from movie to movie, due to how expensive it was to develop them from scratch.if you could just claim property of the motion of any file you would have a ton more "copyrighted" games.If anything, at times the companies choose not to persecute it, it doesnt mean its legal.
Iced said, September 01, 2010, 12:25:20 pmThat doesn't mean you cant prove that someone else used YOUR work when doing those and thus would be unable to do them without your presence.True; Nobody can argue that.Iced said, September 01, 2010, 12:25:20 pmIf you animate a short about whatever, lets say, gorillas, then along comes someone and traces over robots, you can still get them for having used your work as a base.Yes and no.You can't claim copy-right to an uppercut or a basic punch, you can claim copyright to the specific artwork done. Wide stance -> Extend fistA creative work (a specific drawing) can be copyrighted, a method or technical process (extending a fist a certain way as a method of punching would need to be patented).On a tangently related note, there has been an attempt to patent yoga positions. If that goes/went through, you would need a license to use those patented position or draw them in that context.You can copyright your drawing of a stick figure, you can't copyright the act of drawing a stick figure. You can copyright your drawing of a character you own punching, you can't copyright the act of drawing a punch with muscles in a certain position.If your drawing of the punch is unique enough it could become your trademark.
I'm sorry but is this really being debated? I really didn't expect to see a debate on what constitutes copyright in a thread that's in the wrong forum that is pointing out amazing similarities between The Last Airbender sprites and JUS ones.The animations are heavily influenced/traced from JUS. You can't copyright a pose. You can't even copyright a sequence of poses. If that were the case, we'd have copyright infringements coming out of the wazoo. Do you know how many fighting game characters punch and kick in exactly the same way?Hell, the guy that did The White Lion didn't even try to sue Disney for blatantly using his movie as a basis for a few scenes in The Lion King. Why? Cause it's a ridiculous argument. Disney denied it, whatever.
No, because Disney are titans who could easily crush him.Just like Nintendo (yes, Nintendo was in charge of JSS/JUS) could easily crush the guy who traced these sprites. Look at the hit high frame for fuck's sake, if the artist knew what they were doing, the right (artist's left) hand wouldn't look like a claw.
Tsunamidusher said, September 02, 2010, 05:06:50 amYou must be joking.both those scenes are homages to a bruce lee movie by copying exactly a classic scene.BOTH CHARS ARE HOMAGES TO BRUCE LEE TOO.GARGLE.Homage is not the same as copying, as you dont homage by completly tracing something!!!Two persons can have a 46º angle punch with spaced legs, that doesnt mean they are both TRACED FROM ONE ANOTHER.ROB LIEFELD WASNT HOMAGING ANYONE WHEN HE TRACED ARTWORK, now WAS GREG LAND!!If everything was like you guys are saying, no one would hire new artists, they would just hire tracers that would fully trace over disney movies and re sell them.SHIT LETS BE SANTA! I could just grab a leonardo di caprio movie and DRAW a new face over the actor there and suddenly I would have ALL THE COPYRIGHTS ALL OF THEM.Arguing that its just tracing over and suddenly it belongs to you is a vyx level argument.
YES IM MAD.CRAP DONT RECALL THE BRUCE LEE SCENE BY NAME, if anyone remembers what movie it was, please do post.
Iced said, September 02, 2010, 05:46:38 pmYou must be joking.both those scenes are homages to a bruce lee movie by copying exactly a classic scene.BOTH CHARS ARE HOMAGES TO BRUCE LEE TOO.So, yet another party couldn't animate the exact same scene?If I were the copyright holder of Bruce Lee's movies and I could prove that both the productionof Cowboy Bebop and Naruto loosely traced and copied that fight sequence, should I seek damages? Should a US Court rule in my favor?
You would lose more money than what is worth, due to the homage bit, its a martial arts show, the same way that the holder to bruce lee estate doesnt sue capcom for feilong or Namco for the Laws.Think of it like this, if your "original" work wouldnt be there without the material you are taking pieces from, then you are tracing.If you were to copy and mish mash jackie chan movies and bruce lee movies and trace all over every fight, things wouldnt look up for you.Now there is such a thing as an homage.for exampleThe artist could pretty much have drawn something else, its not like he used those for lack of ability or whatever, he chose to use them to honour works of art or classical comics. There would still be a comic albeit different had he not followed those covers, the interiors are not traces. Those aang sprites wouldnt even exist without the original source.
it's no big deal hey arc system copied from touhou and no one ever noticed it.Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I dont see any tracing there, mao, they just seem like similar motions, the swords, members and positions are all different.Very different even, some of them are crouching attacks with totally different arms positions and the swords are going into different positions, whoever drew each would be able to draw them without anything from the other sprite.
lmao, sorry, from the earlier posts where people were defending others to be extremely different even when they were pratically headswaps i will believe almost anything now
