I know that requesting someone to make something isn't what's up and all... But... Can like a creator, request a char from another creator in exchange for a trade? Like I request someone make a char, and in exchange, if they agree, they request a char from me in exchange. Like trading cards or something.
It can be w/e said creators agree to. You should be realistic with your offer though. Like, I'm not knocking stage creation, but a stage for a char doesn't seem like a fair trade imo. Though, like I said, that'd be up to to the creators'. One could even set up stipulations for their general deal breakers.
DivineWolf said, November 21, 2013, 03:46:34 amI'm not knocking stage creation, but a stage for a char doesn't seem like a fair trade imo. Nope isnt a fair trade since is more easy to do a stage most of the time but if that was the case you could also ask in quantity like 10+ stages (Under yur specifications) for a single char.
so, using that logic... can I do 100 palettes for a character?? seems like a fair trade... aha... mmm
Ezequiel 25:17 said, November 21, 2013, 04:02:11 amSo let's say, a char converted to CvS or SNK sprites for any char the spriter wants?Um...not really, no. The idea is a trading system. The concept of a trade is that both parties involved are getting something of equivalent value from one another. I don't see anything about a trade in this question at all.Ex-Flower said, November 21, 2013, 04:11:21 amNope isnt a fair trade since is more easy to do a stage most of the time but if that was the case you could also ask in quantity like 10+ stages (Under yur specifications) for a single char.As I said, yes, if both parties in question agree to those terms. I wouldn't...but that's just me. This doesn't have to be exclusive to chars, though it is obvious that is the key intent I'm getting at. The easiest way for this to actually work, would be a trade of things of equal affinity. So....Char = CharStage = StageSpriteset = SpritesetScreenpack= ScreenpackEtc. = Etc.
DivineWolf said, November 21, 2013, 04:35:27 amAs I said, yes, if both parties in question agree to those terms. I wouldn't...but that's just me. This doesn't have to be exclusive to chars, though it is obvious that is the key intent I'm getting at. The easiest way for this to actually work, would be a trade of things of equal affinity. So....Char = CharStage = StageSpriteset = SpritesetScreenpack= ScreenpackEtc. = Etc.i see but as i see...if that was the case then u should be asking for something that u personaly arent able to do for example...U as DivineWolf trade a pots style char to like....SxVector for a Persona Arena4 char.something like that no?
So if it is char=charI could (just an example) make an Infinite style char trading for a KOF XIII char?
I could totally use an idea like this. In fact I can already pick a couple victims.but really being a really slow worker hampered by a busy personal life the best I can give any of you at the moment is a life that I assure that you will live without being sterilized by my hands.
i was actually thinking about the stage x stage trade...unleast that turns more to be a dificult conversion X sprited/handraw stage i dont see this part working very well.Like Exshadow trading a KOFXIII HD stage for a sprited stage by Daeron.
Trading char by char and stage by stage is pointless, if you can make mugen characters then why trade just do it, but it would be awesome if we trade stuff we could do for stuff we only dream of doing, actually i would trade 200 portraits and 50 AI patches for Mitsuhide Akechi from Koei's Samurai Warriors 2, any one interested?
hmmm Sounds interesting. I have a bunch of crap i could trade but eh....I'll wait and see where this thread goes in a few days.
Romeotantan said, November 21, 2013, 01:54:55 pmTrading char by char and stage by stage is pointless, if you can make mugen characters then why trade just do itNot really. I could be interested in an Infinite style char while quickfist would like a Z2 char.It's much easier if each creator works with a system he knows rather than attempting a new one.Interesting idea anyway.
Cybaster said, November 21, 2013, 06:47:03 pmI could be interested in an Infinite style char while quickfist would like a Z2 char.I like this idea...But nah, Z2 chars take a lot more effort than Infinite chars, so I wouldn't be fair
I agree with this, but I think the exchange should be equivalent between them to avoid some is giving/receiving something less than the other creation...Unless you don't mind to exchange a HR/HD char with a NES/SNES one
Sounds more like a motivational tool if anything. Unless I'm understanding this wrong then it will go like this:Person 1 and Person 2 agree to "trade" Char X and Char Y .Person 1 releases Char X for Person 2.Person 2 releases Char Y for Person 1.Person 3 then downloads both Char X and Char Y.
Reck said, November 21, 2013, 07:45:45 amSeems more like a collaboration rather than a trade.No. A collaboration is multiple people working towards a common goal. This isn't two people working on the same project. It's two people working on separate projects for one another.Romeotantan said, November 21, 2013, 01:54:55 pmTrading char by char and stage by stage is pointless, if you can make mugen characters then why trade just do it, Most creators, in terms of char creation, specialize in a particular style/fashion. This doesn't mean they aren't capable of making something different, because if you know the basics of coding and have overall general knowledge of how various styles work, one can make the char in any style they want. Still, if you could make a trade with someone to make a char in a style they are proficient in, while you yourself are proficient in a style, it would definitely save the two parties time and hassle. Because they already know how their stuff works. It's not pointless at all.Essentially what Cybaster said.Basara Kusanagi said, November 21, 2013, 07:28:58 pmI agree with this, but I think the exchange should be equivalent between them to avoid some is giving/receiving something less than the other creation...Unless you don't mind to exchange a HR/HD char with a NES/SNES one Like I said prior, the exchange rate is up to the parties themselves. If you come into agreement with someone about something, it really shouldn't matter what's being traded, because both of you are getting what you want out of the deal.Mr. I said, November 21, 2013, 08:42:48 pmSounds more like a motivational tool if anything. Unless I'm understanding this wrong then it will go like this:Person 1 and Person 2 agree to "trade" Char X and Char Y .Person 1 releases Char X for Person 2.Person 2 releases Char Y for Person 1.Person 3 then downloads both Char X and Char Y.The masses will always reap the benefits of any project done by contributors regardless. The "Person 3" notion is moot. Unless you're making the projects/trades privately. However, yeah, it could be seen as a means of motivation between the two parties.
it was done before, it was fun, but lately it does not seem like we have the means to do it as it was also similar to a dibs system back then.et's say kof 2k1 got dumped, so now the game is rippable, a comunity of creators decide between themselves that sunboy will make anjel and titiln will make k9999, not one of those characters get released until the other does, so it's a simultaneous release.now we don't really have games suddenly becoming ripable and that interest enough people to do that, I guess.
No. That's not what I'm suggesting. I am not suggesting a "dibs" system. I am not suggesting two creators hold off on a project, until the other is finished, picking from a pool of recent rips or w/e. It's not the same at all. It's simple... You want a char done by a specific creator, you make them an offer that you will make them a char of their choosing, in exchange for the char you want. That's it. It's not exclusive to chars though as I said. It can be anything you want.
I dont see anything wrong with that. I know plenty of people that do this. Mostly Asain and Hispanic mugen community do that. I suppose i might make a possible offer with you myself if you decide to go though with it and you give me a specific offer that i can work with.
I'm replying to your PM here, because I feel everyone should be hip to my response. This isn't intended to be a private thing. If the parties want it to be private, they are of course welcome to it. That's not my intent with this suggestion though. It's simply making an offer to someone and see if they will accept. This is also a way, to get something from someone, without paying money, or just requesting it with them getting nothing in return. I know a lot of creators, including myself, don't take requests. However, if one were to offer me something that I would want in exchange, we might be workin' wit something then. That's my intent. Now, to address your post here...The Magic Toaster said, November 22, 2013, 03:21:10 amI suppose i might make a possible offer with you myself if you decide to go though with it and you give me a specific offer that i can work with.That's fine, I'm open to offers. Wouldn't be very sporting if I weren't, as it is my idea after all. I do have one major stipulation however... It's either Win compatible or GTFO. I main Winmugen, I only use 1.0 for testing. There's no negotiating this stipulation with me whatsoever. Aside from that....a char for stages...? Maybe... It all depends on what you want me to do.
I sincerely don´t see this working at all, for the community some chars don´t have the same value as others. Imagine an exchange between an CvS-esque character and another from an obscure game. I imagine the author of the obscure part would like a similar taste of recognition (maybe, maybe not).Let´s face, if the character isn´t CvS-esque then most likely the char will get buried on the releases board. (Using DivineWolf + another as an example). Will only work if the chars were of a similar style (or for private "satisfaction")Plus Winmugen compatibility?? That isn´t gonna work
Nobody should care about the attention their release gets. At least not that much. The bottom line and true value to me would be that both characters now exist.
My God! A lot of you are thinking way too much into this. It's like I'm speaking an unknown language or something... This isn't about the community as a whole. This is about 2 users making a deal with one another. That's it! Aldo said, November 22, 2013, 05:21:54 amLet´s face, if the character isn´t CvS-esque then most likely the char will get buried on the releases board. (Using DivineWolf + another as an example).This has absolutely no relevance whatsoever with the idea at all. Why are you even posting this?Aldo said, November 22, 2013, 05:21:54 amWill only work if the chars were of a similar style (or for private "satisfaction") Once again, that's up to the users in question. That's up to them to decide what they're willing to trade. You're speaking for people. You don't know what someone will do.Aldo said, November 22, 2013, 05:21:54 amPlus Winmugen compatibility?? That isn´t gonna work Then whoever is trying to make a offer with me, can save themselves the effort of even attempting it.Alpaca-San said, November 22, 2013, 05:28:30 amNobody should care about the attention their release gets. At least not that much. The bottom line and true value to me would be that both characters now exist.This man gets it.
If the whole point of this is to bring non-existant characters to the table, the idea of profitable. If we look at this in a simple way, is a good idea. But I don´t know, I don´t find it... that simple.I don´t see this working but people can always surprise me.
DivineWolf said, November 22, 2013, 05:10:09 amI'm replying to your PM here, because I feel everyone should be hip to my response. This isn't intended to be a private thing. If the parties want it to be private, they are of course welcome to it. That's not my intent with this suggestion though. It's simply making an offer to someone and see if they will accept. This is also a way, to get something from someone, without paying money, or just requesting it with them getting nothing in return. I know a lot of creators, including myself, don't take requests. However, if one were to offer me something that I would want in exchange, we might be workin' wit something then. That's my intent. Now, to address your post here...The Magic Toaster said, November 22, 2013, 03:21:10 amI suppose i might make a possible offer with you myself if you decide to go though with it and you give me a specific offer that i can work with.That's fine, I'm open to offers. Wouldn't be very sporting if I weren't, as it is my idea after all. I do have one major stipulation however... It's either Win compatible or GTFO. I main Winmugen, I only use 1.0 for testing. There's no negotiating this stipulation with me whatsoever. Aside from that....a char for stages...? Maybe... It all depends on what you want me to do.Depends what kind of stage Genre and how complex you would like it to be? In exchange for you to make Cypher from Mighty Warriors. http://www.mediafire.com/download/sbxix2yel30od44/Cypher+Sprites.rar
Are you trying to make standardized value for trading? If you are talking about just the act of doing so, then it's a simple matter. Anyone have the freedom to make trades and it's no difference for creators. As long as the trade is mutually accepted between the two parties then its fair. However, this can lead to people withhold their creations for under the table trading, and too much under the table trading is never good for a modding community.Aldo said, November 22, 2013, 05:44:26 amIf the whole point of this is to bring non-existant characters to the table, the idea of profitable. If we look at this in a simple way, is a good idea. But I don´t know, I don´t find it... that simple.I don´t see this working but people can always surprise me.For all the other people outside of the trade the characters are still nonexistent?
The Magic Toaster said, November 22, 2013, 06:19:51 amDepends what kind of stage Genre and how complex you would like it to be? In exchange for you to make Cypher from Mighty Warriors. http://www.mediafire.com/download/sbxix2yel30od44/Cypher+Sprites.rarWithout even looking at the sprites, I can tell you right now that it's gonna take more than one stage in order for you to get a char outta me. I don't even know anything about the char or Mighty Warriors. This means I have to spend at the very least, 2 weeks researching the char and the game. After that process, then I can finally start creating him. Though, I have to compile his SFF. You provided the sprites here, which is cool. Though it helps your case, if I have some interest in your request as well. I'll look it over and get back with you. I can't rule out the interest on my part, until I preview the char/game in question. You're gonna have to make me a minimum of 5 stages for a char. That's the minimum and that's essentially refers to more basic/easy chars. The more complex the char is, the more that rate is going to go up. To the point where stages won't cut it. We'll see though...graff said, November 22, 2013, 06:22:19 amAre you trying to make standardized value for trading? If you are talking about just the act of doing so, then it's a simple matter. Anyone have the freedom to make trades and it's no difference for creators. As long as the trade is mutually accepted between the two parties then its fair. However, this can lead to people withhold their creations for under the table trading, and too much under the table trading is never good for a modding community.No, I'm not. Though I did try to give a general rule of thumb with it. The idea behind it is that it's up to the traders to decide what they want. Yes, that's why it's simple. As for people making private trades... First, where did that notion even come from? Second, if they do that, that's just the way it is. It's their choice to do so. It'd be better handled through PMs though. I find it very douche-bag over someone to try and throw private content in other's faces.
I really don't see how most people are posting stuff that is irrelevant to the subject, or just not understanding it, or overcomplicating it.DivineWolf wants MK KungfuMan in the same style as Shang Tsung by The_None and Melvana.Melvana wants Vega/M.Bison in Divine style (yeah I know, not realistic).Both authors agree about these chars, and work on theirs, before realeasing it to the community. It's not about fame, it's not about making things private, it's not about dibs. It's just about working on a char in a style you're good at and get a char that you want in a style you're not proficient in. End of story. And the whole community benefits from it.
You're my hero, Cybaster. Though watch, someone is going to post something else that has nothing to do with this, or go in too much about it.
5 stages minimum huh? Depends on how complex you want your stages to be. Btw, is it possibly for me to bargain a bit with you to lower the amount of stages to 3 if i throw in 2 private unreleased creations in as well?
I'm more retro with my taste. What I'd ask for wouldn't be complex, you'd just have to be creative with it. I prefer low res stages. Anyway, let me just get it out the way...The Magic Toaster said, November 23, 2013, 12:52:09 amBtw, is it possibly for me to bargain a bit with you to lower the amount of stages to 3 if i throw in 2 private unreleased creations in as well? No, not interested. Looked over the sprites, looked over the game a bit... Not interested in the deal. There's also nothing really you can offer me, that would influence me to make this Cypher char. It was nice that we gave it an attempt though. I'm sorry, but it's a no go.
DivineWolf said, November 23, 2013, 01:29:16 amThe Magic Toaster said, November 23, 2013, 12:52:09 amBtw, is it possibly for me to bargain a bit with you to lower the amount of stages to 3 if i throw in 2 private unreleased creations in as well? No, not interested. I know it's not, but that sounds so perverted if it's taken out of context XD
Basara "Jojo" Pilgrim said, November 26, 2013, 01:43:32 pmSo... that's mean now you can work on Satomi Yajima if I work on Chiho Masuda?? That wasn't the deal! >:[ We already made that agreement. It's either Rose or False Yuka for Satomi. Which now that I think about it... You're gonna make Rose anyway, so no deal with Rose. Either False Yuka, or perhaps some other char...
