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Clayface by JMAXXIMUS & ALEXZIQ
#1  October 01, 2012, 04:54:10 pm
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Cybaster said, November 13, 2012, 11:17:34 am
This is how you recognize a character is polished or not : when small details are taken care of to provide the best experience possible.

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#2  October 01, 2012, 05:05:44 pm
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Nice Beta, btw  if he shakes the screen while walking, he should do it too when landing from a jump.
And i dont know why but the voice its not enough menacing, just my opinion.
The hypers and specials are very creative, but some basic attacks could use more frames on his animations.
Other than that i looks very good Imo.
Congratz for the release!

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#3  October 01, 2012, 09:57:46 pm
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the moves are no where near original neither is his supers rather giving him other people moves and special

try watching the cartoon and make a list of what you could do to make it more like clayface rather then just a spriteswap

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#4  October 01, 2012, 10:17:01 pm
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This isn't mine, that's why it's in "Found Releases". 
Cybaster said, November 13, 2012, 11:17:34 am
This is how you recognize a character is polished or not : when small details are taken care of to provide the best experience possible.

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#5  October 01, 2012, 10:48:11 pm
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dark_light said, October 01, 2012, 09:57:46 pm
the moves are no where near original neither is his supers rather giving him other people moves and special

try watching the cartoon and make a list of what you could do to make it more like clayface rather then just a spriteswap

One of Clayface's powers is that he can make himself look like anyone he wants to. Maybe this what they aimed for?

EDIT: Alexziq, PLEASE don't do the 6 views per day for guests thing. That's really annoying and it just locks a lot of people out.

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#6  October 01, 2012, 11:04:06 pm
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The site don't even work dawg :/ locks guests out lol
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#7  October 01, 2012, 11:28:25 pm
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I Like this character alot.... feels close to complete but this is just my opinion, thanks for the share!
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#8  October 01, 2012, 11:37:01 pm
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#9  October 02, 2012, 12:48:25 am
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Yep, I mentioned to the creator of this character early on about perhaps adding some known Clayface moves, like how he absorbs his opponents into himself.  However, the creator said he wanted it to be different from anything Clayface does in the comics or cartoons.   

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#10  October 02, 2012, 01:01:09 am
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Zingo said, October 02, 2012, 12:48:25 am
the creator said he wanted it to be different from anything Clayface does in the comics or cartoons.   
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#11  October 02, 2012, 01:23:25 am
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#12  October 02, 2012, 02:00:21 am
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Zingo said, October 02, 2012, 12:48:25 am
Yep, I mentioned to the creator of this character early on about perhaps adding some known Clayface moves, like how he absorbs his opponents into himself.  However, the creator said he wanted it to be different from anything Clayface does in the comics or cartoons.

So he's making Clayface but not making him like Clayface.


Well, I guess EX mode moveset is fine too.

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#13  October 02, 2012, 02:15:45 am
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Yeah, to each his own I guess, either way I am happy to keep this guy on my Mugen, he makes for a decent opponent.

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#14  October 02, 2012, 03:22:59 am
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Orochi Gill said, October 01, 2012, 10:48:11 pm
dark_light said, October 01, 2012, 09:57:46 pm
the moves are no where near original neither is his supers rather giving him other people moves and special

try watching the cartoon and make a list of what you could do to make it more like clayface rather then just a spriteswap

One of Clayface's powers is that he can make himself look like anyone he wants to. Maybe this what they aimed for?

EDIT: Alexziq, PLEASE don't do the 6 views per day for guests thing. That's really annoying and it just locks a lot of people out.
well if he was trying to aim for that he could use shang tsung morphing

Makurayami said, October 01, 2012, 10:17:01 pm
This isn't mine, that's why it's in "Found Releases". 

yeah i know dude sorry if it sounded like i was aiming for you


Darkflare said, October 02, 2012, 02:00:21 am
Zingo said, October 02, 2012, 12:48:25 am
Yep, I mentioned to the creator of this character early on about perhaps adding some known Clayface moves, like how he absorbs his opponents into himself.  However, the creator said he wanted it to be different from anything Clayface does in the comics or cartoons.

So he's making Clayface but not making him like Clayface.


Well, I guess EX mode moveset is fine too.

i think this is the first time we both agree to disagree on a topic

Zingo said, October 02, 2012, 02:15:45 am
Yeah, to each his own I guess, either way I am happy to keep this guy on my Mugen, he makes for a decent opponent.

well if your happy to play with a spriteswap that plays or is nothing like his counter part go for it

Makurayami

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#15  October 02, 2012, 02:22:16 pm
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(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, October 02, 2012, 01:01:09 am
Zingo said, October 02, 2012, 12:48:25 am
the creator said he wanted it to be different from anything Clayface does in the comics or cartoons.   
o_O
I'll make Goku Z3, he won't have Kamehameha, Genkidama or Kaiohken. He'll have Sonic Boom, Yoga Fire and Atomic Buster.



New fad - characters without any moves resembling source material.

He's an interesting character, but the lack of moves relating to source is kinda eh.  Could of just recolored him and named him the gooey blob or something.
Cybaster said, November 13, 2012, 11:17:34 am
This is how you recognize a character is polished or not : when small details are taken care of to provide the best experience possible.

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#16  October 02, 2012, 06:14:28 pm
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#17  October 02, 2012, 11:37:07 pm
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Well damn. +1 respect for you guys. :)

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#18  October 03, 2012, 03:06:40 am
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CC seems to definitely be moving away from the CVG mold.  Props for getting rid of the view limit.
Cybaster said, November 13, 2012, 11:17:34 am
This is how you recognize a character is polished or not : when small details are taken care of to provide the best experience possible.

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#19  October 04, 2012, 10:39:25 pm
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Dark Light explain to me how this is a sprite swap?

I did not swipe it with any hulk. Totally coded from template.

Hulk doesnt do any of the moves that clayface does.

Yes the sprites are made from Hulk, and not a series of Franken sprites so it is similar to Hulk in base, but considering how many hulks are out there where the creators were too lazy to even edit off the belt on a supposed different hulk I'd say Jmaxx put a lot of work into it.

A sprite swap is where someone takes sprites from an existing character, an exchanges them with edited Sprites. That is not the case here at all. If your point was to comment on it being to similar to base, then I totally understand your thought, but just say that. It's easier to understand the point.

And to the rest of the feedback I appreciate it big time, and will save it in my notepad as everyone knows that MFG has the best feedback out there.

And also we did away with the guest viewing block as you guys suggested. ;D
 
I almost forgot too

Jmaxx never said he was aiming to make him "unlike Clayface"

He said he was doing things clayface does in the comics series, as we arent basing him just on cartoons. Saying he plays nothing like clayface is not accurate. The clay tomb, Steam Roller, and Clay wave are all directly from different comics over the years.

I dont even feel it's all that different than the animated series Batman. Claywave was used numerous times.

Not trying to be a smartass or anything, just saying this isnt some far fetched adaption of Clayface is all.

Again just clarifying, and I appreciate you guys regardless!!!
Last Edit: October 04, 2012, 10:51:08 pm by alexziq

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#20  October 05, 2012, 03:27:14 am
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I like this character a lot!!! I would make the AI harder to beat, (maybe adding different selectable levels of difficulty) some more moves and some additional pallets.   
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#21  October 05, 2012, 04:05:03 pm
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alexziq said, October 04, 2012, 10:39:25 pm
Saying he plays nothing like clayface is not accurate. The clay tomb, Steam Roller, and Clay wave are all directly from different comics over the years.

I suppose I'm only familiar with the DCAU incarnation of him, so the moves do feel a little off to me in terms of characterization (the steam roller especially seems off to me, but that's my opinion).  He honestly almost feels like a big symbiote character to me.  But again, that's opinion, the only thing that should be fixed in him is the flawed mechanics that have been mentioned.
Cybaster said, November 13, 2012, 11:17:34 am
This is how you recognize a character is polished or not : when small details are taken care of to provide the best experience possible.

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#22  October 05, 2012, 10:55:50 pm
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with much respect. no disrespect intended. Some of the moves come from this

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#23  October 06, 2012, 12:56:01 am
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# Jumping animation is slightly misaligned and the frames need moving around within it, his actions while jumping do not look natural.
# Walk speed is incorrect for animation, this involves sliding feet  and is that it looks wrong rather than any innaccuracy coming from the Hulk sprites
# Width is well off. Width should match clsn's. This also exposes an alignment issue in your walk animation. Take 2 clayfaces and walk them at each other. Watch how the animation acts. He's not centered properly.
# Aside from the twirling special, all other specials act pretty much exactly the same in terms of damage and what they do.
Ball at all levels, same damage, same distance, nothing differs. Shadow blob, same thing. Geyser, well it does vary it's distance, but no change in damage, I actually suggest you base on Blackheart for that move. Always close, always between the 2 opponents, and homing with close doing the most damage and homing doing the least.
# Jump land utterly does not work, that squelch is terrible. With the walk THUMP it should really be a land THUMP as well. Squelch doesn't fit.
# Still rather a lot of superman in the .sff file.
# Crouch makes him back off and the axis winds up well off center
# clsnboxes really aren't good. Use clsndefault, especially for static things like stand. If i punch it should not matter what FRAME of stand you're on for me to actually hit
# Fire Hydrant intro, axis is broken, he teleports, place the hydrant off center of the axis and make him spill out of it to the CORRECT place, don't teleport him there. Fading out the hydrant would also be a nice idea.
# Combo system is broken. Your launcher is c.HP, but i can't get into that from s.MP
# Although i'm now pretty sure it's what you're going for, every single character you guys seem to make uses the hunter chain. Due to clayface's size he would be more suited to weak>strong where you cannot combo from one light to another but must combo from light to med to strong, or light to strong along either side of the chain. Super jump comboing of course would stay hunter chain. Hulk for example uses kick to punch.
# air QCF+P, freezes in animation before hitting the ground, you sit there for a good 3-4 ticks before changing your looks and landing. As you sit about 40 pixels up this is VERY noticeable
# Animations are all the same speed and a bit too fast. There is no sense of impact on any of the heavy moves. Launcher for example, For the sake of it, time out hulks version (you're using the same sprites really) see how it improves the LOOK of the animation.
# Sound effect quality is a bit iffy. If you could re-rip the TV stuff from a better source that would e a good plan
# His throw bindings vs p2 are not friendly, nor is the distance he can do it at, it's REALLY close range.
# You get a debug error to invalid anim on the punch throw.
# I don't know if you're imitating the Vs games or what but throws are normally on the med and hard buttons, or JUST on the hard, they are not on just the medium.
# Runspeed is wtf fast compared to anything else he does. And doesn't fit with the animation either. He's going at hyper speed before he even finishes getting into blob shape. When he has finished, he has easily crossed the screen. Most Vs dashes are shorter than this and very rarely do they let you cross the screen like that and still have enough to cross most of a second screen.
# Recovery roll on get up. My god, you go like a bullet. And much too far. and you keep going even when you should have stopped.

The template i believe is a flawed. Lots of this shouldn't be in your basis (cos they're honestly silly things)

I like the editing, it's consistent and mostly fluent for the detail of it. I think you have too many supers vs specials but that's a bit by the by. I have no problem with any of the moves, i can see various characters in there. Can i suggest Shigen from LB2 as a possibly body you may want to take some things off. Maybe Twelve as well.

Minor gripe. Download page. The download link is actually LESS obvious than the "next download | previous download" links. Those need to be shifted to the bottom and the actual DL enlarged a bit.


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#24  October 08, 2012, 03:22:51 pm
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That's awesome.

I have to thank you for that detailed breakdown. That's exactly why I am greatful to MFG. I wouldve actually put up my own release here, I just got beat to it.

Most of these I think I can correct pretty quick. The jump land, and walking speed, and alignement issues are easy, and I think the combos got messed up by a last minute change I did based on some feedback without thinking it through.

Yeah the Template has some flaws. As the "mysterious" Mr. Henderson pointed out a ways back the Template was stolen from the Scruffy Dragon Template. (not sure how you can steal a creation tool, but I digress) So I cant really take credit for their flaws, however I do own up to not fixing those.  I think replacing the dash, and recovery rolls with more mechanically sound versions needs to be a priority.

Many teams have a habit of using "mystic blaze's" flawed recover roll so this is something we need to be aware of because it's already used in dozens of characters. I really must eat crow because Toni pointed this flaw out to me a year ago, and I decided to keep it because so many other characters use it, and well comic fans will tell you their stuff is great so I let it go in one ear and out the other. I even replaced it at one point and changed it back (DOH!)

Can I ask a question? Do you guys have a recovery roll, or dash that is generally a little more suited for a template?

I really would like to see these issues addressed. While I am aware these things need customized for every character theres gotta be better examples for newbs. I am not much of gameplay guy, and am more of a button masher so suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Thank you so much!
Last Edit: October 08, 2012, 03:27:28 pm by alexziq

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#25  October 08, 2012, 03:26:56 pm
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The sprite resources are an interesting concept and I can see how you incorporated them.  He's an interesting character and I look forward to the next update.
Cybaster said, November 13, 2012, 11:17:34 am
This is how you recognize a character is polished or not : when small details are taken care of to provide the best experience possible.
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