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Command Problems?
#1  July 09, 2009, 11:51:26 pm
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For some reason....unbeknowest to me certain commands dont work  for certain moves with my latest WIP...seriously wtf... Heres an example

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Re: Command Problems?
#2  July 09, 2009, 11:53:52 pm
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It's probably just a simple matter of changestate syntax.

Changestates triggered by complicated commands go above changestates triggered by less complicated commands.

Example:

[state -1, Super]
type = changestate
trigger1 = command = "D, DF, F, D, DF, F, x"
value = 3000

[state -1, Special]
type = changestate
trigger1 = command = "D, DF, F, x"
value = 1000

[state -1, Standard]
type = changestate
trigger1 = command = "x"
value = 200

That's a small example of how things should be in the .cmd file.

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Re: Command Problems?
#3  July 09, 2009, 11:58:24 pm
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महान सम्राट said, July 09, 2009, 11:53:52 pm
It's probably just a simple matter of changestate syntax.

Changestates triggered by complicated commands go above changestates triggered by less complicated commands.

Example:

[state -1, Super]
type = changestate
trigger1 = command = "D, DF, F, D, DF, F, x"
value = 3000

[state -1, Special]
type = changestate
trigger1 = command = "D, DF, F, x"
value = 1000

[state -1, Standard]
type = changestate
trigger1 = command = "x"
value = 200

That's a small example of how things should be in the .cmd file.


Didnt work...heres my setup


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Last Edit: July 10, 2009, 12:04:20 am by Getsuga Tensho

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Re: Command Problems?
#4  July 10, 2009, 12:17:14 am
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Why are you comparing oranges to apples?

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Re: Command Problems?
#5  July 10, 2009, 12:22:41 am
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Re: Command Problems?
#6  July 10, 2009, 12:35:05 am
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Read again what he told you to do.
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Also, this and your previous question topic, I'm wondering - why are you asking questions if you don't even read the answers people give you ? If you don't do what people tell you to do ? If you can't do that, then don't ask.
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Re: Command Problems?
#7  July 10, 2009, 12:35:23 am
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Bah, byakko beat me to it.


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Re: Command Problems?
#8  July 10, 2009, 12:45:38 am
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Byakko said, July 10, 2009, 12:35:05 am
Read again what he told you to do.
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Also, this and your previous question topic, I'm wondering - why are you asking questions if you don't even read the answers people give you ? If you don't do what people tell you to do ? If you can't do that, then don't ask.
I did do what he siad to do...still didnt work... --;

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Re: Command Problems?
#9  July 10, 2009, 12:48:20 am
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No you didn't. You say you did ? Explain what you did, and we'll tell you what you did wrong.
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Re: Command Problems?
#10  July 10, 2009, 01:36:25 am
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okay fine

at first my setup was like this...



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then I changed it to this

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The charge and flash step commands were moved to the specials

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Re: Command Problems?
#11  July 10, 2009, 02:00:13 am
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Try adding a ~. so it would be ~D,DB,B, y

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Re: Command Problems?
#12  July 10, 2009, 02:05:59 am
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Re: Command Problems?
#13  July 10, 2009, 03:43:24 am
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What does the command for the changestate look like? The top of the .cmd is just labeling the button combos to be used. Later in the .cmd file you have to actually use one of the commands from the top to initiate a changestate. It is in this section of the .cmd that the order needs to be from more complex to less complex as you move down.

I can't believe I'm saying this, lol, but look at how KFM's .cmd is.

Also, look at what Rajaa typed, and what you have shown us so far. They are two different things. They both belong in the .cmd.
Last Edit: July 10, 2009, 03:47:05 am by fatnlazy

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Re: Command Problems?
#14  July 10, 2009, 03:43:30 am
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Getsuga Tensho said, July 10, 2009, 12:45:38 am
Byakko said, July 10, 2009, 12:35:05 am
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Also, this and your previous question topic, I'm wondering - why are you asking questions if you don't even read the answers people give you ? If you don't do what people tell you to do ? If you can't do that, then don't ask.
I did do what he siad to do...still didnt work... --;
No you flaming didn't. Do you want me to spam changestates some more? Are you dealing with changestates in your spoilers? No you're not, do it properly.


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Re: Command Problems?
#15  July 10, 2009, 04:18:50 am
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Here is the changestate for the attack...

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It would also help if you guys would explain what I'm doing wrong...me trying to figure it out for my self isnt really getting me anywhere...due to the fact that i have no idea what the fuck im doing...How the hell else am I supposed to learn unless someone shows me how to do it right first... --;

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Re: Command Problems?
#16  July 10, 2009, 05:20:12 am
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Getsuga Tensho said, July 10, 2009, 04:18:50 am
Here is the changestate for the attack...

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It would also help if you guys would explain what I'm doing wrong...me trying to figure it out for my self isnt really getting me anywhere...due to the fact that i have no idea what the fuck im doing...How the hell else am I supposed to learn unless someone shows me how to do it right first... --;
Are you serious?! I showed you EXACTLY how to do it right...

You have commands where you define the name and the buttons you need to press etc...

You have changestates that are triggered by those commands.

The changestates triggered by more complicated commands go above changestate triggered by less complicated commands...

I even game the perfect example in which you should have gotten it, instantly.

Stop saying no one is tell you the right way. YOU JUST AREN'T LISTENING. I mean how hard is it to differentiate "command" from "changestate"?!

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Re: Command Problems?
#17  July 10, 2009, 05:32:10 am
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महान सम्राट said, July 10, 2009, 05:20:12 am
Getsuga Tensho said, July 10, 2009, 04:18:50 am
Here is the changestate for the attack...

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It would also help if you guys would explain what I'm doing wrong...me trying to figure it out for my self isnt really getting me anywhere...due to the fact that i have no idea what the fuck im doing...How the hell else am I supposed to learn unless someone shows me how to do it right first... --;
Are you serious?! I showed you EXACTLY how to do it right...

You have commands where you define the name and the buttons you need to press etc...

You have changestates that are triggered by those commands.

The changestates triggered by more complicated commands go above changestate triggered by less complicated commands...

I even game the perfect example in which you should have gotten it, instantly.

Stop saying no one is tell you the right way. YOU JUST AREN'T LISTENING. I mean how hard is it to differentiate "command" from "changestate"?!

I know that...I followed your Instructions...and didnt recive any positive results... --;

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Re: Command Problems?
#18  July 10, 2009, 05:53:37 am
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Wow.

Ok this,

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Is this change state above, a change state with a less complicated command and do the change states below the one above have more complicated commands? Like Rajaa said? If not, you need to fix that.

In other words you need to change where this change state is in relation to less complicated and more complicated change states.

Fuck it man, just post your entire command file if you still can't get it.

Be nicer guys come on LOL.

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Re: Command Problems?
#19  July 10, 2009, 05:55:53 am
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shamrock said, July 10, 2009, 05:53:37 am
Wow.

Ok this,

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Is this change state above, a change state with a less complicated command and do the change states below the one above have more complicated commands? Like Rajaa said? If not, you need to fix that.

In other words you need to change where this change state is in relation to less complicated and more complicated change states.

Fuck it man, just post your entire command file if you still can't get it.

Be nicer guys come on LOL.

Thank you for making a  solid effort to help me ...the others are like STFU NOOB FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF.... But tryed what you said... moved stuff around again...and still no luck


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Tell ya what though this is really starting to piss me off... --;




Last Edit: July 10, 2009, 06:05:21 am by Getsuga Tensho

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Re: Command Problems?
#20  July 10, 2009, 06:01:05 am
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Hey man, they made a solid effort. And I wouldn't have known about the syntax. I just compare what I'm doing to KFM. If it doesn't work I fall back on KFM's code. This is what you should have done.

Always read the docs and then look at KFM's code. 90% of everything you need to know is right there.

Still I'm glad you asked the question because I learned something new about the Syntax. I'm glad I pay attention to detail concerning KFM because I have never come across this problem.

So don't be mad at the people who really helped you. I just tried my best to translate what they were saying, into moronic noob. A language I'm fluent in.

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Re: Command Problems?
#21  July 10, 2009, 09:05:43 am
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Well at least we can see it's in the right PLACe now and believe that you've attempted to fix the fault as was suggested. All your previous comments were undescriptive and just showed you not doing what you'd been advised to.

as it stands, now we can see you HAVE changed it, and changed it correctly, we can make further guesses as to what's actually going wrong. I think it's the fact that you have

time = 20

tacked onto the end of that changestate to no real purpose. Remove it.

trigger1 = ctrl=1
i'd generally have spaces there, but that should still be ok. The last thing you need to do is press ctrl+d while in mugen, do the move, and check if a debug message comes up. You may have typo'd your statedef number.


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#22  July 10, 2009, 10:03:27 am
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Cyanide said, July 10, 2009, 09:05:43 am
Well at least we can see it's in the right PLACe now and believe that you've attempted to fix the fault as was suggested. All your previous comments were undescriptive and just showed you not doing what you'd been advised to.

as it stands, now we can see you HAVE changed it, and changed it correctly, we can make further guesses as to what's actually going wrong. I think it's the fact that you have

time = 20

tacked onto the end of that changestate to no real purpose. Remove it.

trigger1 = ctrl=1
i'd generally have spaces there, but that should still be ok. The last thing you need to do is press ctrl+d while in mugen, do the move, and check if a debug message comes up. You may have typo'd your statedef number.

Alright I made the change you said and its still not working.....
Heres the errors screenshot...I guess I might be going blind cause i cant read that for shit  :P


http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/iluvtacos_2008/errorpic.jpg
 
Last Edit: July 10, 2009, 10:16:12 am by Getsuga Tensho

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Re: Command Problems?
#23  July 10, 2009, 10:29:03 am
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Well. That's obvious enough. We're still looking at a long way down your .cmd file.

Find the line [statedef -1]

Put your MOST COMPLICATED changestate DIRECTLY below that. Ie anything that's qcfx2 or whatever. Below those should be the more simple QCF, and at the bottom of everything, single button presses.

What's happening in that screen shot is she's trying to go to state 800. Which doesn't exist. But 800 is generally a throw, so aside from the fact the changestate for that is badly coded, it's ALSO above the one's you've posted. Basically we're back where we started with more complex changestates should be above less complex ones. That means EVERYTHING, not just the ones you think are in use, but everything.

If you're still stuck after this, post everything in your .cmd file from [Statedef -1] downwards.


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Re: Command Problems?
#24  July 10, 2009, 10:31:03 am
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Okay that worked  thanks so much  :sugoi:

See thats what I mean by helping out XD give an example dont just tell me to figure it out  :P Cuz if I knew how to do that I wouldnt be asking for help now would I  ;D

But thanks so much  :sugoi:


Last Edit: July 10, 2009, 10:42:02 am by Getsuga Tensho

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Re: Command Problems?
#25  July 10, 2009, 06:59:28 pm
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Uh. Rajaa (first reply) told you specifically to look at the part that says changestate. When you kept talking about anything BUT the part that says changestate, of course nobody wanted to do anything more until you finally got to the part that says changestate. You're being really damn unfair saying we told you to figure it out - you weren't doing anything we were telling you to do.
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#26  July 10, 2009, 09:36:23 pm
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Byakko said, July 10, 2009, 06:59:28 pm
Uh. Rajaa (first reply) told you specifically to look at the part that says changestate. When you kept talking about anything BUT the part that says changestate, of course nobody wanted to do anything more until you finally got to the part that says changestate. You're being really damn unfair saying we told you to figure it out - you weren't doing anything we were telling you to do.
Yeah I was...you guys gave me very little information as to what I was supposed to do  :-\
 i hardly see how spamming changestate was helping any...

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#27  July 10, 2009, 10:32:00 pm
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Rajaa told you to look at the part where you find the changestate.
You replied by bringing up the commands.  You said nothing about the changestate. Do you understand ? Look at your reply to rajaa (first guy who replied to you). Do you see "changestate" in your reply ? No. Even though he said that you should look at the part where the changestate is. Did you look at the part where the changestate is ? If you did, why did you not say anything about it ? Because you didn't say anything about it.
so if someone is telling you very clearly where to look (the part about the changestate !) and you say nothing about it, obviously we're going to conclude that you did not follow the instructions and you did not look at the part about the changestate. Because you did not say "I looked at the changestate" you said "I did this and that with the commands". He didn't tell you to do something to the commands, he told you to do something to the changestate.

In your .cmd, there's a part with the commands, and a part where you will find the word "changestate". Can you understand that word ? Can you not find that word anywhere in your .cmd file ? So when Rajaa tells you to look at the part where it says "changestate", why do you not do that ? Why do you keep talking about the commands ? In your reply to him, you said nothing about the changestates and you kept talking about the commands. Why ? If we tell you "changestate" why do you not try to find the part that says "changestate" ? We were telling you exactly what to look at. And in your reply, you said nothing about that part. You were talking about the command part. Which is not the part about the changestate. Why ?
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#28  July 10, 2009, 11:11:26 pm
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Byakko said, July 10, 2009, 10:32:00 pm
Rajaa told you to look at the part where you find the changestate.
You replied by bringing up the commands.  You said nothing about the changestate. Do you understand ? Look at your reply to rajaa (first guy who replied to you). Do you see "changestate" in your reply ? No. Even though he said that you should look at the part where the changestate is. Did you look at the part where the changestate is ? If you did, why did you not say anything about it ? Because you didn't say anything about it.
so if someone is telling you very clearly where to look (the part about the changestate !) and you say nothing about it, obviously we're going to conclude that you did not follow the instructions and you did not look at the part about the changestate. Because you did not say "I looked at the changestate" you said "I did this and that with the commands". He didn't tell you to do something to the commands, he told you to do something to the changestate.

In your .cmd, there's a part with the commands, and a part where you will find the word "changestate". Can you understand that word ? Can you not find that word anywhere in your .cmd file ? So when Rajaa tells you to look at the part where it says "changestate", why do you not do that ? Why do you keep talking about the commands ? In your reply to him, you said nothing about the changestates and you kept talking about the commands. Why ? If we tell you "changestate" why do you not try to find the part that says "changestate" ? We were telling you exactly what to look at. And in your reply, you said nothing about that part. You were talking about the command part. Which is not the part about the changestate. Why ?
Beacuse Im a good for nothing noob :P Either way problem solved  ;D
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