Hi there people!, this time I'm comming with a new edit, and the turn went to SonSon (make sure to give thanks to ExShadow since he suggests who to fix XD). You may wonder... why Kong and Ryou Win are credited together? Well... it's a funny story indeed. All started when I forgot that Kong made a SonSon, so I started with Ryou Win's (a WHOLE MESS), then, I remembered that Kong made almost avery character in MvC2, and actually found his version, which saved me time because I didn't have to redo ALL the animation data, just fix some stuff in there.In the other part, I still used some of Ryou Win stuff (just a bit of code), that's why he is still credited here... I know, confusing... but I feel more confortable this way.This time, SonSon has more changes, I tried to match MvC2 animation handling as closer as posible, I know she is not 100% accurate, but I guess shes is at least playable. I've dopped default cornerpush handling from MUGEN, and now I'm using Van's code (with some mods to try to match MvC2), some weird behaviours with my current combo system happily forced me to change into this. Also, I included a custom AI, she's not a beast, but I guess she will be a worthy opponent, I tried to do this AI as closer to a human player as possible, so no impossible moves or weird stuff, everything she can do, you can do it as well.Just for the record... it's the first time I fix a character that does such an extensive use of Angledraw (specially, in En'ou, in which you need that to show the first 2 frames correctly... O_o)As always, she has some mods (lil' insignificant ones), but as I said, I tried to get her as close to MvC2 as I possibly can... Well... enough blah blah...Here a link for a video showing how she plays now...http://youtu.be/4QvTEblGvpQUPDATE!!I fixed the following issues in both Spidey and SonSon:Final fix for "AI taking over my butt" bug, Training mode detection (by WinAne) was added again for both chars and now works for both WinMUGEN and MUGEN 1.0 enginesAdded width controller for both throws for SonSon, tested against KFM and herself.For those who knows coding and don't want to redownload only for that, just find this piece of code in Statedef -2:Code: [State -2, PrevPower]type = VarSettrigger1 = var(56) = [1, 30]var(58) = PowerIgnoreHitPause = 1and remove it, this only aplies for WinMUGEN though... surprisingly strange, it doesn't affect MUGEN 1.0... but it's reccomended to remove that if you either want to be sure or experience bugs on MUGEN 1.0.She has all explods from MvC2, sounds and her full move set.MoveList:Air Dash: FF or X+Y in airBackwards Air Dash: BB or hold back and X+Y in airGrabs: In air or land close to enemy and then press fwd + Y or B (in air only Y)Normals:4 button charX = light punchY = Hard PunchA = light kickB = hard kickSupers:Seiten Rengeki: DP + X or Y (also can be done on air) (SC!)Kingin no Hisago: QCB + X or YShienbu: QCF + X or Y (also can be done on air) (SC!)Hofuku Zenshin: HCF + A or B (can evade proyectiles, can be cancelled into any ground move)Wall Walk: QCB + A or BWall Walk Kick: Press A or B while not in groundWall Walk Release: Press X or Y while not in groundFuusetsu San: Press X or Y repeatedly (also can be done on air) (SC!)Hypers:Tenchi Tsuukan: QCF + XY (can be done on air)En'ou: QCB + XYEn'ou - Low Punch: Press X during En'ouEn'ou - High Punch: Press Y during EnóuEn'ou - Fire Breath: Press A or B during En'ou, Press Up or down to aim the fire, hold down attack buttons to last longer.POW: QCF + ABStand alone Alpha Counters: B, DB, D + X, Y, A or BWith X or Y: Seiten RengekiWith A or B: Kingin no Hisago*Anotations:QCF = Quarter Circle ForwardHCF = Half Circle ForwardQCB = Quarter Circle BackHCB = Half Circle BackDP = Dragon Punch motionSC! = The move can be super cancelledNote that SonSon is keyboard friendly, so enjoy keyboard users!Any feedback is welcome as always.She is also Winmugen and mugen 1.0 compatibleDownload SonSon!!!!!http://www.mediafire.com/?9hzdmxo1h9badmdEXTRA!!!Spidey updated too, he now has AI, and some minor tweakings regarding AR camera helper and U-Web Throw. Feedback for him is welcome too Download Spidey!!!!!http://www.mediafire.com/?scaman2sqtct9w5See ya!!!!!!!!
Interesting. When I read SonSon I was expecting another author but this one will probably be equal in greatness. Will test.
Judging by the vid, it looks awesome as hell like Spidey.Also, gotta love Chemical Brothers. You managed to turn shit into gold, so I'll definitely check this out.
This is awesome. She plays so great. I only found one minor issue but it's more of an aesthetic thing.Her dust FX seems to be cropped. I think that's the only one, couldn't find cropped FX anywhere else.FINALLY WE HAVE AN AWESOME SONSON.
BIG BOSS said, June 25, 2011, 05:16:10 pmThey fight fine for me, cool release bro. Hmm... unfortunately, not for me.Is there anyone else besides me who is dealing with the same thing?
What this character needs is a readme. The .mcf (aka the .cmd, though I've never seen that extension) is a mess, and there are some moves that do nothing at all. So I'm kind of lost at what she can and she can't do.
The command list is in the first post. Also it's accurate to MVC2, so you can find the movelist anywhere online.
Didn't happen to me, though maybe it's because I still didn't manage to trigger it. The only way to solve this is to create an AI patch. If someone does it for MUGEN 1.0, AI will never take control for sure.
Looks like the AI is only taking over on winmugen, since I tested on both just to check.But other then that, really nice edit.
Seph said, June 27, 2011, 04:12:26 amLooks like the AI is only taking over on winmugenthat's what I thought...
Thanks for the comments guys:GOH said, June 25, 2011, 11:41:33 amThis is awesome. She plays so great. I only found one minor issue but it's more of an aesthetic thing.Her dust FX seems to be cropped. I think that's the only one, couldn't find cropped FX anywhere else.FINALLY WE HAVE AN AWESOME SONSON. That goddam FX... unfortunately, whenever I tried to re-rip it, I get it worse, so that's the best I can get for it (thanks to REDHOT)... but, since it's mvc2, i refuse to use cvs replacementts...Lord Kain said, June 26, 2011, 08:20:37 pmThe ai takes over on me too... any way of fixing this?Goodaldo said, June 27, 2011, 04:00:30 amThe AI takes control of the char I soppose you use Winmugen, don't you? maybe the Training mode detection is doing weird stuff in there... it's quite strange that happens, I'm using Winane's AI Activation method (suppresing the simplifying var, just using 2 var method) and I can actually control her... I?ll test on winmugen ASAP and try to fix the issue... I hope Spidey don't have the same prob...ecthelionv2 said, June 25, 2011, 10:52:35 amQuestion, is spider sting supposed to be invincible during the whole animation? No... i'ts not supposed to be like that... I'll check him too, thanks For people having probs with the mcf fle (MCF = Mugen Command File, I changed the CMD extention in order to avoid confusion with CMD windows files) look for the varsets (var(0)) which have the commands for her moves, the changestates use the var value, so they are useless to know the commands the organization goes as follow:- Command Varset (set var(0) to X if command blah blah...) various sets by move name.- Changestates using the var valueAnd over this, they are organized by category: Hyper moves, super moves and normals... in the very beggining of the statedef -1 you'll find AI safe triggers and basic command varset.If there are any comments or feedback besides you actually added in the thread, feel free to post people, for people who posted feedback, THANKS I'm glad you liked her.See ya!!
mugenload said, June 27, 2011, 08:23:37 amcolor seperation could be worked on, other than that well done.If anyone is willing to do that, I'll credit for sure, I was thinking on that, but could take more time to release the char so i decided to drop the idea, but any work from anyone is welcome See ya!!
FerchogtX said, June 27, 2011, 05:23:33 pmI hope Spidey don't have the same prob...We really apreciate the fact that you wanna make this characters compatible for both win and 1.0 aswell as fixing that issue thanks! About spider man... yes it also has the same activated AI issue....
Lord Kain said, June 27, 2011, 06:16:44 pmFerchogtX said, June 27, 2011, 05:23:33 pmI hope Spidey don't have the same prob...We really apreciate the fact that you wanna make this characters compatible for both win and 1.0 aswell as fixing that issue thanks! About spider man... yes it also has the same activated AI issue....Thanks to you for giving feedback, that's the only way I can improve this characters If you do it, I can hear itSee ya!!
Fixed the "AI taking over my butt" bug, updated first post with the update info and new download links for both spidey and sonson.See ya!!
During punch throw, if performed on a cornered opponent, the opponent goes "through the wall" before being binded correctly. Adding a simple width sctrl to SonSon should fix it.
Cybaster said, June 28, 2011, 12:36:48 amDuring punch throw, if performed on a cornered opponent, the opponent goes "through the wall" before being binded correctly. Adding a simple width sctrl to SonSon should fix it.OMG... How could I forget that? I've fixed that, thanks for pointing out that (HOW I hate throws...), also reworked the bug on the "AI taking over your butt", so the training mode detection is added to both characters once again, I tested on both WinMUGEN and MUGEN 1.0.Also forgot to tell that I removed the afterimages on Crawler Assault -**cough**spidey**cough- (Thanks to Kamekaze for his feedback a while ago...)Updated first post again See ya!!!
highholyme said, June 27, 2011, 09:13:15 pmAny chance of a 6 button version?I´m really sorry man, I have nothing for medium button movements, I could guess to fill the blanks, but can take more time, and at last will look odd, since SonSon was only available on MvC2... See ya!!
Congratulation to your char. edit success! I wish I have your edit skill! Your Custom MvC2 SonSon is definitely staying in my MVC select screen! Can't wait your next project (edit or made-from-scratch)!
FerchogtX said, June 28, 2011, 01:38:09 amI´m really sorry man, I have nothing for medium button movements, I could guess to fill the blanks, but can take more time, and at last will look odd, since SonSon was only available on MvC2... Yes, it is clearly understandable about SonSon...but could you maybe do something about Spidey?A config file with the option to swap between 4 and 6 button layout the way Kamekaze does it would be superb.Anyways I still enjoy your awesome edits even if they are 4 button playable.Excellent job!Also, do you have any other MvC2 edits in mind for the future? A Ruby would be nice...just sayin.
Wargame-Kun said, June 30, 2011, 05:49:56 pmman the AI are merely combo whores tone the AI down a bitWhat? Oh come on...you need to practice.
MaxBeta said, July 01, 2011, 02:40:39 pmWargame-Kun said, June 30, 2011, 05:49:56 pmman the AI are merely combo whores tone the AI down a bitWhat? Oh come on...you need to practice.loli already defeated them both
Good for you. I didn't mean to sound harsh or anything. I was just implying that the AI is fine...not easy, not hard, but kind of an intermediate level.
The AI to me like someone said seems hard I got raped in the air quite a few times... does the AI change depending on what kind of mugen version you have or is it the same for both? I have win plus....
Bryan Puny said, June 30, 2011, 05:44:27 pmMARROW A million times this.A Fercho'd Marrow I can feel is gonna be sweet. She's my favorite in the entire MVC2 cast. I can't have a proper team without her.However, those homing bones...
When they K.Oed seems weird..see this vid i madehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEOVamusGsM (spidey)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O6CkDWFLXo (sonson)explain this one..
Nanashi_1337 said, July 02, 2011, 12:26:49 pmI don't see anything wrong in the video actually there's something wrong about being K.Oed (see the 2nd vid 1st round K.O shouldn't send of the enemy flying that high also same does on the first)
That probably has something to do with their overall system.They also flew skyward when KO'd in the MvC series also.
TRUEMicah said, July 02, 2011, 05:43:30 pmThat probably has something to do with their overall system.They also flew skyward when KO'd in the MvC series also.This...That is a special state (5090) when KO'ed, part of th vs system incorporated to both, also, other characters can enter on this state too when KO'ed by them, this is to reproduce every gethit behaviour from vs games, which handle this very differently from other games...By the other hand, I would like to ask if anyone who has downloaded Spidey or SonSon has troubles defeating the AI besides Wargame... This AI was meant to be not so hard, but with some weak points so you can actually beat them... I really don't like to code hard AI's because the most of the time, other HUMAN players like to fight against them, so, it gets really frustrating that you chanllenge an AI that can actually anticipate everyting you can posibly make (tat cannot be made EVEN by human players), those types of AI's (I consider) are for other AI's (for example, if you want to code an I that can beat Evi Ken or Evil Ryu, THOSE are real combo whores and somewhat frustrating AI's, anyway is just my humble oppinion)Let me know what you think... your feedback is welcome (I'm not that expert on coding AI's though)See ya!!
I didn't have any problems with the AI difficulty. She likes to do big combos, but she doesn't do anything cheap or unfair. I didn't have problems defeating her. Also, for some reason, when I was playing with Jin's Mr. Karate against her, in the second round of one of the matches she never blocked his fireball. She just went dumb in the 2nd round lol.
Sorry for bumping the thread, but many people was advicing me about spidey link not being available anymore... I don't know why mediafire deleted it, but if anyone is still interested, as well as for sonson, spidey link is updated and sonson is still up Again sorry for bumping.See ya!!!
FerchogtX said, November 08, 2011, 01:45:53 amSorry for bumping the thread, but many people was advicing me about spidey link not being available anymore... I don't know why mediafire deleted it, but if anyone is still interested, as well as for sonson, spidey link is updated and sonson is still up Again sorry for bumping.See ya!!! thanks for re-uploading spidey again, best spidey so far IMHO
I have to say that your SonSon edit is awesome. She is now a permanent addition to my MvC Roster. Well done!!
Testing hot monkey chick now.The AI fix sounds very cool by the way, my SonSon is damn near impossible to tame in that regard.
Thanks a lot for the Spidey re-upload, didn't download him at time but after I tested your Sonson will download all your further creations/modifications
Thanks for the comments guys... I seriously have to say that I could never imagine that ths mods would be liked that much XD...See ya!!!
