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Started by Iced, July 21, 2009, 04:31:42 pm
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Dr Manhattan
#1  July 21, 2009, 04:31:42 pm
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#2  July 21, 2009, 04:42:05 pm
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Screenshots please. :P (yeah, before I went on the website, it was pretty obvious he would be an Urien/Gill edit :P)
Re: Dr Manhattan
#3  July 21, 2009, 04:44:06 pm
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Alright Iced, way to go on this one! I hope he has a special intro with Rorscarch.
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#4  July 21, 2009, 04:47:10 pm
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Also, why does he have an underwear ? Doc Manhattan is supposed to show his dangling penis !!! >:(

DLing nao, feedback later !

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#5  July 21, 2009, 04:53:19 pm
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a char with urien sprites!!
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#6  July 21, 2009, 05:03:10 pm
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Also, why does he have an underwear ? Doc Manhattan is supposed to show his dangling penis !!! >:(

DLing nao, feedback later !
it may be unhealty and disturbing process to spend hours to draw a dangling penis to 900 sprites for a straight male   :S
Re: Dr Manhattan
#7  July 21, 2009, 07:14:54 pm
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But it's not Dr. Manhattan without the BBP!  Regardless this looks sweet, DLing now.

:EDIT:  Ummm... okay.  I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing or if it's just the code, but this character isn't working.  At all.  Once the match starts, pressing any button freezes him in his stance, and for some reason makes the stage music stop working.
Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 07:50:25 pm by Person Man
Re: Dr Manhattan
#8  July 21, 2009, 08:55:04 pm
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nice job with manhattan

*hopes to see the comedian in mugen as well*

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#9  July 21, 2009, 09:30:11 pm
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But it's not Dr. Manhattan without the BBP!  Regardless this looks sweet, DLing now.

:EDIT:  Ummm... okay.  I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing or if it's just the code, but this character isn't working.  At all.  Once the match starts, pressing any button freezes him in his stance, and for some reason makes the stage music stop working.

i'm having the same problem...
Re: Dr Manhattan
#10  July 21, 2009, 09:34:31 pm
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could be a problem with the screenpack, because it works fine for me.  but ill check. 
if its practice mode i disabled it since it was buggy
clones were happening and such
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan
Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 09:41:05 pm by Shades team
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#11  July 21, 2009, 10:03:34 pm
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Oh brother, I can see it now...first male char to get a hentai patch.

Anyways, this I have to test just cause mugen needs more Watchmen.

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#12  July 21, 2009, 10:22:09 pm
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This character is pretty funny.  Yeah, that's what it would be like to fight Dr. Manhattan alright.  He'd either blow you apart instantly, or more likely just leave.   :laugh2:

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#13  July 21, 2009, 10:26:05 pm
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#14  July 21, 2009, 10:38:18 pm
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I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing or if it's just the code, but this character isn't working.  At all.  Once the match starts, pressing any button freezes him in his stance, and for some reason makes the stage music stop working.

same for me.Using corruscation with 675 slot pack.hope u can fix this problem asap..i really wish to try him out

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#15  July 21, 2009, 10:43:01 pm
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#16  July 21, 2009, 10:54:59 pm
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Hmm I got the same glitch too in practice mode I put Manhattan vs Manhattan and the one I'm fighting with just floats in the air and the one I'm controling freezes in his stance and if you wait alittle longer both Manhattans are standing right next to alot of dead bodys on a sidewalk
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#17  July 21, 2009, 11:36:12 pm
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Godamn laxxe people wont take you serousilly if you keep realeasing Joke Characters points at Shun and Sin
EDIT:Actually why so serious??
EDIT(again):In fact i dont even take you seriously
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#18  July 21, 2009, 11:36:31 pm
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#19  July 21, 2009, 11:52:44 pm
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What, no rickroll mode?
i think we should call it an "engine" so we don't look like total idiots because otherwise we'd be arguing about a "game" and that would be somehow "dumber" than arguing about an "engine" on the "internet" for countless hours

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I for one, do not enjoy round corners!  :bigcry:
But they hurt much less when we accidentally hit them!  :S
Re: Dr Manhattan
#20  July 22, 2009, 12:44:46 am
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I get it, lol...
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#21  July 22, 2009, 01:29:05 am
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hey laxxe


thanks for coding Dr.Manhattan



you just lost all the respect I had for you
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#22  July 22, 2009, 05:20:21 am
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I like this character.

Sure, he doesn't fight, but who cares?

Offers some good laughs.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#23  July 22, 2009, 06:50:48 am
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I warned him (Zeckle) sooooo many times...

I tried everybody. I tried. :(
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#24  July 22, 2009, 06:57:16 am
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#25  July 22, 2009, 08:38:58 am
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i'm suprised ICED posted this.

but it seems you have a knack for joke chars Zeck.

good to see your still alive bro.
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#26  July 22, 2009, 10:36:01 am
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He's obviously a joke character, but I don't even get if the fact that he doesn't do anything in my Mugen is part of the joke, or if it's "because of the screenpack" ... --;
Re: Dr Manhattan
#27  July 22, 2009, 02:19:40 pm
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Probably a bug, he is supposed to blow up the enemy or walk out ( if he is unable to blow up the enemy) an example on the art of apathy.
Idea started with Rikard wanting to do something for the movie release, after he was unable to, Laxxe picked it up.

I warned him (Zeckle) sooooo many times...

I tried everybody. I tried. :(
Two face is joking using a "meme" that was being used on the random topic =p
Re: Dr Manhattan
#28  July 22, 2009, 02:44:16 pm
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Two face is joking using a "meme" that was being used on the random topic =p


That doesn't change the fact that I'm pretty sure people are going to hate this. They're going to want a real Dr. Manhattan character, one that's playable and not a joke character, whether accuracy is a factor or not. I think you guys could make a decent one, too, if you guys really wanted to.
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#29  July 22, 2009, 02:52:25 pm
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I still dont understand what happens when you make the go up against each other
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#30  July 22, 2009, 03:09:47 pm
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I still dont understand what happens when you make the go up against each other

a big mass of "FAIL".................why are people surprise about this you should of seen it coming with laxx........   :'(
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#31  July 22, 2009, 03:12:19 pm
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I still dont understand what happens when you make the go up against each other

basically when he goes up against himself, after the speech, he puts himself down and walks away through a pile of dead bodies and past a dead squid tentacle thing, and its a reference to the comic book, he does it with other characters as well, but i didnt feel like having doc kill himself. 
ill post a vid up eventually of this, ive been considering turning this into a real character for a while, just have been really busy, and lacking the creativity. 


Special intro with Laurie in the middle! You know you want it.  :cool4:
couldnt get any sprites that looked like her in time, plus i was too lazy, and no dialog for it. 


in fact ill try to remember on posting a vid a little later, also he probably doesnt do anything since the timer is off, or the round doesnt start quickly enough, i had this problem afew times, till i adjusted it for my screenpack. 
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan
Last Edit: July 22, 2009, 03:27:28 pm by Shades team
Re: Dr Manhattan
#33  July 22, 2009, 03:41:25 pm
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hey laxx buddy.

after i played with him, he talked, background changed. but no explosion..

he just walked off like something else caught his attention.
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#34  July 22, 2009, 03:57:32 pm
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in fact ill try to remember on posting a vid a little later, also he probably doesnt do anything since the timer is off, or the round doesnt start quickly enough, i had this problem afew times, till i adjusted it for my screenpack. 
Modify your code so it works for all screenpack ! I'm not going to modify my screenpack so that a joke char works, ya know ! :gonk:
Re: Dr Manhattan
#35  July 22, 2009, 04:46:39 pm
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hey laxx buddy.

after i played with him, he talked, background changed. but no explosion..

he just walked off like something else caught his attention.
change in your options to normal speed. 
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#37  July 22, 2009, 05:22:24 pm
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#38  July 22, 2009, 05:24:07 pm
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#39  July 22, 2009, 05:24:11 pm
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This character was everyting I expected it to be. Thanks Iced.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#40  July 23, 2009, 04:51:58 am
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@Bastard Wolf:

Ouch.  Heh.   :sugoi:

Personally though, I don't hate this.  Again, this is very much like how Dr. Manhattan would actually fight, amusingly enough.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#41  July 23, 2009, 09:32:52 am
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O.O i want him!  I personally loved The Watchmen. I liked Dr.Manhattan cuz idk like *pokes u and u explode* I mean who the fuck dosent want to be able to do that? Tho I dont like that he did it to Rorshac.Poop Poop Rorshac.....


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Re: Dr Manhattan
#42  July 24, 2009, 06:07:48 am
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Everything Laxxe makes is a joke character. Play as Tiff Lagomorph and try not to claw your eyes out. I dare ya. Seriously Laxx, how much do you suck to not even be able to code a simple joke character without a freeze? When are you going to take a hint and quit?
Re: Dr Manhattan
#43  July 24, 2009, 07:51:49 am
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Everything Laxxe makes is a joke character. Play as Tiff Lagomorph and try not to claw your eyes out. I dare ya. Seriously Laxx, how much do you suck to not even be able to code a simple joke character without a freeze? When are you going to take a hint and quit?

Because everyone knows that if you're not out to please everyone else, you should stop doing something you enjoy. If you don't like his characters or if you don't think they're funny, then don't laugh, don't keep downloading, express your opinion if you want, and move on. He's not hurting anyone, and your classless and thoughtless post doesn't help anyone.
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#44  July 24, 2009, 10:44:46 am
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Everything Laxxe makes is a joke character. Play as Tiff Lagomorph and try not to claw your eyes out. I dare ya. Seriously Laxx, how much do you suck to not even be able to code a simple joke character without a freeze? When are you going to take a hint and quit?

Because everyone knows that if you're not out to please everyone else, you should stop doing something you enjoy. If you don't like his characters or if you don't think they're funny, then don't laugh, don't keep downloading, express your opinion if you want, and move on. He's not hurting anyone, and your classless and thoughtless post doesn't help anyone.

+1

Or stop leeching and create a char or something, so we can see how good you are.


Re: Dr Manhattan
#45  July 24, 2009, 03:32:01 pm
it okay but needs more work
Re: Dr Manhattan
#46  July 24, 2009, 03:44:31 pm
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That's saying much. :S
Re: Dr Manhattan
#47  July 24, 2009, 03:50:42 pm
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Everything Laxxe makes is a joke character. Play as Tiff Lagomorph and try not to claw your eyes out. I dare ya. Seriously Laxx, how much do you suck to not even be able to code a simple joke character without a freeze? When are you going to take a hint and quit?
Worked for me and my beta testers, so i assumed it would work for others, oh and i know you still hate me about taking your site down, but just put the past behind you, its really irritating for you to be dry humping me this much about that stuff, if i never did that you probably wouldnt have even thought to comment on this.  Your opinion is your own, but really grow up.  


it okay but needs more work
what else would you suggest he do?
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan
Re: Dr Manhattan
#48  July 24, 2009, 04:40:17 pm
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#49  July 24, 2009, 04:53:38 pm
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#50  July 24, 2009, 06:19:51 pm
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well i dont exactly have a way to test out all the different screenpacks but ill see what i can do, since ive had at least five people not including myself give the ok on it working for their screenpacks, ill just increase the time it takes then i guess, since the only thing thats freezing it is skipping the intro and mugen thinking that it already went through the state first (dunno why) so increasing the time it takes to react should fix things on other screenpacks. 
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan
Re: Dr Manhattan
#51  July 24, 2009, 06:22:13 pm
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give to his first sprite and state a clsn , that way the opponent attacks him, "hits" something, but doesnt damage him at all while he prepares to blow the crap out of them.

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#52  July 24, 2009, 06:32:57 pm
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#53  July 24, 2009, 06:49:20 pm
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give to his first sprite and state a clsn , that way the opponent attacks him, "hits" something, but doesnt damage him at all while he prepares to blow the crap out of them.
will do, btw i updated the timing (he is back on the site if anyone wants to see if the bug is fixed yet), so hopefully he will work on other SPs now.
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan
Re: Dr Manhattan
#54  July 24, 2009, 08:05:30 pm
what else would you suggest he do?

to work on anymugen regardless of screenpack,thats all i expect. other than that it is ok being a joke character.
yah cause when i started the match
he started talking and then walked away then i lost
next time
i dunno
MAKE HIM CONTROLLABLE!!!!
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cause he made a decent kirby char
why can't he make mr.manhattan
PLUS this isnt april fools day!
Re: Dr Manhattan
#55  July 24, 2009, 08:18:22 pm
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If he was controllable then he wouldnt work.  But in all seriousness i only had the sprites i was supplied with and edited on my own. 
I do have an idea for another character though (real one), but i need to rip the sprites. 
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#56  July 24, 2009, 08:18:36 pm
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Oh brother, I can see it now...first male char to get a hentai patch.

Actually, Crazy Joe was the first. If you look in the edit's section long enough, you'll find him.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#57  July 25, 2009, 02:15:29 am
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Crazy Joe was certainly not the first. 

A CvS Ryo and a K' were both made felatio compatible before Crazy Joe came out. 

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#58  July 25, 2009, 02:54:00 am
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If he was controllable then he wouldnt work.  But in all seriousness i only had the sprites i was supplied with and edited on my own. 
I do have an idea for another character though (real one), but i need to rip the sprites. 
I think his stance is misaligned
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#59  July 25, 2009, 04:52:46 pm
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The character sucks, he can crouch while runing.
Re: Dr Manhattan
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Don't forget Yuki from NGBC.

He got "the treatment" as did Shion  and Kyo from KOF XI.
Re: Dr Manhattan
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#62  July 26, 2009, 02:27:06 am
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I haven't been here in awhile. Been pretty busy with real life. Damn, there are so many heros with the Urien edit. And he is totally naked.

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#63  July 26, 2009, 11:28:44 pm
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Everything Laxxe makes is a joke character. Play as Tiff Lagomorph and try not to claw your eyes out. I dare ya. Seriously Laxx, how much do you suck to not even be able to code a simple joke character without a freeze? When are you going to take a hint and quit?

Because everyone knows that if you're not out to please everyone else, you should stop doing something you enjoy. If you don't like his characters or if you don't think they're funny, then don't laugh, don't keep downloading, express your opinion if you want, and move on. He's not hurting anyone, and your classless and thoughtless post doesn't help anyone.

+1

Or stop leeching and create a char or something, so we can see how good you are.
I have multiple screenpack WIPs going on and I've released several stages. I'm sick of everyone calling me a goddamn leech. And Sean, Laxxe does hurt people over his false accusations of child porn distribution. I don't care how long ago it was, trying to get people landed in prison over a game engine is taking it way too far. Maybe I'm just ranting here, but I feel I have a point.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#64  July 26, 2009, 11:31:05 pm
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The past is not the present.

Ranting about how "bad" someone is generally doesn't make the ranter look better.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#65  July 26, 2009, 11:40:10 pm
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Your fuming over something that doesnt even involve you, you site got shut down for other reasons, and you know that perfectly well. 
anyways glad to hear your working on giving back to the community...   Your move PZT, you can either move on like me, or you can dwadle in your aspergertude. 
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan
Re: Dr Manhattan
#66  July 26, 2009, 11:44:44 pm
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Your fuming over something that doesnt even involve you, you site got shut down for other reasons, and you know that perfectly well. 
anyways glad to hear your working on giving back to the community...   Your move PZT, you can either move on like me, or you can dwadle in your aspergertude. 

He never claimed the site was shut down because you reported links as child porn, he merely stated that you did. And while, yes, he is ranting about an off topic issue, the point still stands that this is a buggy, half- arsed character. I don't think you're in any position to claim you contribute with half your releases being in similar states.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#67  July 26, 2009, 11:51:14 pm
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It's a joke character, not at all serious.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#68  July 26, 2009, 11:54:14 pm
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The only reason he is buggy is a timing issue with the screenpacks round intro timer, and i cant make him accustom to each screenpack. 
at least i can claim i can contribute recently, especially because I help people out with various code bits, as well as the fact Ive been working on the Shades stuff with sean and the others.

To me it was implied that he was talking about his site
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#69  July 27, 2009, 12:01:43 am
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Right, somehow your animosities with Laxxe suddenly mean you have the right to troll left and right?
I think not.
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Re: Dr Manhattan
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#71  July 27, 2009, 01:13:27 am
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#72  July 27, 2009, 07:50:16 am
I go to try him out, and I got an error.

Error message: You need at least on state controller
Error in [statedef-1]
Error in manhattan.cmd
Error in loading chars/manhattan/manhattan.def
Error loading p1

Anyone else getting this, or is it just me?
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#73  July 27, 2009, 10:32:34 am
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Yes, i have the same problem.
I create a sample "statedef -1" command, but you can´t control the char, and even in "watch mode" it doesn´t move...
Maybe the download version is bad?  ???
Re: Dr Manhattan
#74  July 27, 2009, 11:33:55 am
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Who's voice is that? It's a funny voice.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#75  July 27, 2009, 03:13:38 pm
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shit i put the wrong cmd in.



Yes, i have the same problem.
I create a sample "statedef -1" command, but you can´t control the char, and even in "watch mode" it doesn´t move...
Maybe the download version is bad?  ???
fixed the cmd, but he should do his spiel in watch mode at the very least, it takes about 100 ticks for him to start up since he wasnt working for other versions of screenpacks. 
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan
Last Edit: July 27, 2009, 03:22:26 pm by Shades team
Re: Dr Manhattan
#76  July 27, 2009, 04:04:14 pm
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Dr. Manhattan has no need to put his arms up, except maybe to obliterate you. Doesn't Urien have some pose where he's just standing with his arms down? I would use those for his stance instead of the current ones. I would use more voice samples, too; one is not enough to keep it interesting. IMO the background with the dead bodies should be more over the top.

Decent joke-char-WIP.
Last Edit: July 27, 2009, 04:21:54 pm by atomicbuster
Re: Dr Manhattan
#77  July 27, 2009, 04:42:28 pm
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Thats who he was made from. 
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#78  July 27, 2009, 07:52:03 pm
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Thats who he was made from. 

He knows that, he just means Dr. Manhattan shouldn't have a fighting stance that looks like he's going to fight. He should be standing there with his arms down, unafraid, and pehaps Urien has some sprites you could edit to fit that.

Who's voice is that? It's a funny voice.

Billy Crudup, the actor who portrayed him in the film.
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#79  July 27, 2009, 10:31:43 pm
so............................
when are you make a REAL Dr. Manhattan character that isn't a joke character

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#80  July 27, 2009, 10:33:28 pm
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I'm not sure that is possible. Dr doesn't even need moves so there really isn't much he can add/change.
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#81  July 28, 2009, 03:01:27 am
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Really what's the point of making Manhattan if he can insteadly kill the characters just by looking at them

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Re: Dr Manhattan
#82  July 28, 2009, 03:05:48 am
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Joking around.
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#83  August 12, 2009, 01:47:45 am
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#84  August 12, 2009, 06:17:01 am
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#85  August 12, 2009, 08:33:35 pm
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Ill ask my host whats going on. 
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#86  August 13, 2009, 10:14:40 pm
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Either way he doesn't do much else except what you see on youtube.

and sometimes not even that... he just stands there.
Re: Dr Manhattan
#87  August 13, 2009, 10:28:42 pm
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 = not worth the download...
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#88  August 13, 2009, 10:39:08 pm
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what would you expect from doctor manhattan (besides having accurate timing with all screenpacks)
If you dont want to download it then dont, just dont come here bash something for no reason
you need a reason like everyone else has :P
But really if you dont want a joke character then dont download it
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Re: Dr Manhattan
#89  August 14, 2009, 01:53:02 am
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Oh sorry man...
I was kinda nervous this morning...
Didn t mean to put down your work... after all you lost some time in that...
Is just that we are kind exigent these days...
Well, tks to share with us this joke char