Don't mean to cause any trouble in thistopic, please delete it if it does. But whatwas the biggest mugen flame war, and whoand what was it about??
Meng! There has been so many scandals on the grill sone! Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyIn all seriousness, there are too many to even be able to tell which is the worst. Though I can say a really bad one was the "Cs-X vs Trinity Mugen" battle. Oops, I think I said too much.
some with silent strom were pretty bad back then, but the worse ones, I remember from those times were the nemisis-ambivalence one and the mattt hannon one.
Well, in my time here, there has been an ongoing (albeit humorous) fight with Vyx/Sniper, whose been trying to peddle other peoples hard work (and won't stop registering new accounts, the latest of which is pretending to be a girl) for profit. He just won't give up, and keeps on threatening the forum with legal action. Byakko even went to his house and taught him a lesson...with his fists (at least that's how the story goes), making it the first forum fight I know of that resulted in action being taken in the real world.Other than that, the other really big fights I remember were the everyone vs SBZ (in P.o.t.S' Cammy release thread), and later, me and Demon Lord vs plaza24/Shadow, in the G. Akuma thread. But the whole BrokenMugenHR debacle was hilarious at first, then annoying, and finally Byakko made it hilarious again. Vyx is even willing to pretend to be a girl to sell his stolen software.
^I tried to read that thread one day; that thread represents what is truly, without a doubt, the definition of tl;dr.
Vegeta 20XX said, July 07, 2009, 11:46:56 pmWell, in my time here, there has been an ongoing (albeit humorous) fight with Vyx/Sniper, whose been trying to peddle other peoples hard work (and won't stop registering new accounts, the latest of which is pretending to be a girl) for profit. He just won't give up, and keeps on threatening the forum with legal action. Byakko even went to his house and taught him a lesson...with his fists (at least that's how the story goes), making it the first forum fight I know of that resulted in action being taken in the real world.Byakko didn't go over to his house, they met in a public area. And Byakko didn't try to fight VyX, it was the other way around.
Jesuszilla said, July 08, 2009, 12:51:01 amHYPER SUPER TL;DR' TURBO CHAMPION FIGHTING EDITION GRAND MASTER ULTIMATE CHAMPIONSHIP CHALLENGEKOREAN VERSION?!
Jesuszilla said, July 07, 2009, 11:34:34 pmNo... I think Gohan and MRev were involved in the worst.Consedering they inflicted it on an unrelated japanese forum, Charasoon, at point, that might just qualify - at least most every other flamefest gets contained in the usual hangouts of the ones involved...
Messatsu said, July 08, 2009, 03:14:15 amI think part of the reason they occurred there, there was no moderators active at charasoon.Still means the people involved had no concern for a place that wasn't their to use as an arena, and the poor image that'd give of the western community. Everyboy loses.
hahaha i remember messatsu posting at charasoon siding with the mrev bros he sure was a nooblet back then!!
Dr. House said, July 07, 2009, 11:32:51 pmWolfmage vs The Majority of The Mugen Community.That has to be it.I have to agree with this (for now)
Nah, that wasn't the worst by a long shot. Gohan vs mrev was much worse. It lasted 3 YEARS. It involved more tl;dr than that whole HJK topic by about 20 pages. Take one of HJK's posts, triple it, then put it on a webpage. You have gohans site.It spanned 8 forums. It was a MESS. Worst by a long shot, no questions.
Too many to even count.Hey, Warner sprite swapping Evil Ken to make Evil Homer lead to a pretty nice flamewar too.The holy crusades against warehouses were entertaining too, at the time.
Soda Popinski said, July 08, 2009, 05:52:32 amWas that actually done in the form of flames?Pretty much. But don't count me in the whole SFO vs. Mugen thing. My problem with SFO was the management itself, while most others took their anger out on SFO as a whole. Fake Viper's post about ceasing mugen activity didn't help matters.
Cyanide said, July 08, 2009, 09:32:29 amNah, that wasn't the worst by a long shot. Gohan vs mrev was much worse. It lasted 3 YEARS. It involved more tl;dr than that whole HJK topic by about 20 pages. Take one of HJK's posts, triple it, then put it on a webpage. You have gohans site.It spanned 8 forums. It was a MESS. Worst by a long shot, no questions. *Disregards the tl;dr warning and tries to find a web archive.lol
Cyanide said, July 08, 2009, 09:32:29 amNah, that wasn't the worst by a long shot. Gohan vs mrev was much worse. It lasted 3 YEARS. It involved more tl;dr than that whole HJK topic by about 20 pages. Take one of HJK's posts, triple it, then put it on a webpage. You have gohans site.It spanned 8 forums. It was a MESS. Worst by a long shot, no questions. Absolutely. I remember those pore Asian guys at Charasoon kept getting pissed off, due to topics devolving into back and forth flame wars. If I remember, their topic would rarely get responses anyway, and they liked it that way. You go over and out of a bunch of 0 and 1 reply topics, there would be a 3 pager.Hell, I bet if Gohan came back now, the old MRev guys that still post would band together again, dig up Sunboy and a few other retirees and rip into him again.
Titiln said, July 08, 2009, 05:33:15 pmif gohan came back i would ban him and finally earn my place in the mrev hall of fame lol. nDo 4 life!
Wow, thats amazing. The Evil Homer was probably the best one I can imagine. God, I wish I seen that lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos Video here makes fun of all Flame Wars. I think ya'll will like this.
Jesuszilla said, July 09, 2009, 03:09:34 pmAlso isn't Gohan's site still up?http://members.fortunecity.com/theaceman4/mugen.html
TempesT said, July 08, 2009, 10:41:17 amGlad I wasn't apart of any flame wars. Nope, not one!Bitch! That's bec. you always "leave" shortly before something big comes up.
Mgbenz said, July 09, 2009, 04:18:32 pmyou always "leave" shortly before something big comes up.Context, you need it !
Jesuszilla said, July 09, 2009, 04:53:06 pmWell she's certainly been the subject of quite a few...Did he ban himself there?
PotS said, July 09, 2009, 02:57:30 amyou know how most people don't use caps to try and convey sarcasm through the internetwell let's just say i'm not normal
I just viewed some of Tiltin's thread on banning Kung Fu Man and that right there is some crazy ass shit.http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=86957.20 I have never laughed this hard before. BTW,whatever happened to KFM?Also, what about this guy?
Hirasawa said, July 09, 2009, 05:23:24 pmNice new sig dude.THNX :3Jesuszilla said, July 09, 2009, 04:53:06 pmWell she's certainly been the subject of quite a few...When was this even?
Hirasawa said, July 08, 2009, 05:05:23 pmCyanide said, July 08, 2009, 09:32:29 amNah, that wasn't the worst by a long shot. Gohan vs mrev was much worse. It lasted 3 YEARS. It involved more tl;dr than that whole HJK topic by about 20 pages. Take one of HJK's posts, triple it, then put it on a webpage. You have gohans site.It spanned 8 forums. It was a MESS. Worst by a long shot, no questions. *Disregards the tl;dr warning and tries to find a web archive.lolGohan vs Mrev was pretty much in decline when I got into the scene. I still remember his avatar...Seeing the people around here talk about HJK and the such makes me feel old.
I guess alexlexus vs the Youtube community is a valid war (which I got sucked into btw, thanks to him).
I remember that everyone (but mainly MI) vs. T.H.E. war that I was a part of.I'm glad times have changed.
Judaszilla said, July 10, 2009, 11:07:52 amI remember that everyone (but mainly MI) vs. T.H.E. war that I was a part of.I'm glad times have changed.hehehe, i probabaly started a lot of warehouser based flamewars, but yes times have changed.
The Aboriginal One said, July 10, 2009, 05:10:02 amI remember a TempesT flame war.One ended with Titiln banning me , and You.
Lasombra Demon said, July 10, 2009, 05:09:03 amHirasawa said, July 08, 2009, 05:05:23 pmCyanide said, July 08, 2009, 09:32:29 amNah, that wasn't the worst by a long shot. Gohan vs mrev was much worse. It lasted 3 YEARS. It involved more tl;dr than that whole HJK topic by about 20 pages. Take one of HJK's posts, triple it, then put it on a webpage. You have gohans site.It spanned 8 forums. It was a MESS. Worst by a long shot, no questions. *Disregards the tl;dr warning and tries to find a web archive.lolGohan vs Mrev was pretty much in decline when I got into the scene. I still remember his avatar...Seeing the people around here talk about HJK and the such makes me feel old.MRev was long dead when I entered the scene, and it was still going on... Like Loona said, they took it to other forums, and I believe MGBR was one of them.
Orochi Gill said, July 10, 2009, 05:41:58 amI guess alexlexus vs wild tengu and crew is a valid war (which I got sucked into btw, thanks to him).Fixed.
Hirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 05:25:39 pmGonna change my hitflag from MAFD to M. xDWhy would you do that...?
i remember that one of mrev's regulars (i think it was legato) emailed fortunecity because at one point gohan's history page had the word nigger in it over 40 times
Anjel said, July 10, 2009, 05:55:34 pmHirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 05:25:39 pmGonna change my hitflag from MAFD to M. xDWhy would you do that...?I wouldn't need the AFD because after 1 attack he won't be getting up.xD
Titiln said, July 10, 2009, 05:57:18 pmi remember that one of mrev's regulars (i think it was legato) emailed fortunecity because at one point gohan's history page had the word nigger in it over 40 timesI remember that I quit mugen for two years and when I came back the flame war was still going on.
Evilsen82 said, July 10, 2009, 05:54:07 pmhttp://members.fortunecity.com/theaceman4/history-new.htmlNow THAT'S a lot of texts. Tell me which one is about the flamewar with him
Titiln said, July 10, 2009, 05:57:18 pmi remember that one of mrev's regulars (i think it was legato) emailed fortunecity because at one point gohan's history page had the word nigger in it over 40 timesHoly shit
Evilsen82 said, July 10, 2009, 05:54:07 pmhttp://members.fortunecity.com/theaceman4/history-new.html.......Wow, I didn't realize Gohan could wrote them "Harry Potter" books. <_<
Hirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 05:25:39 pmLOLI'm bout to start a war with Rajaa boy .Gonna change my hitflag from MAFD to M. xDMUGEN JOKES XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Orochi Gill said, July 10, 2009, 08:33:48 pmTitiln said, July 10, 2009, 05:57:18 pmi remember that one of mrev's regulars (i think it was legato) emailed fortunecity because at one point gohan's history page had the word nigger in it over 40 timesHoly shitThats ridiculous. Thank goodness he was banned. What about Warner? was he ever banned?
c00per said, July 11, 2009, 02:30:12 amwhy would someone ban warner? he's awesome AND speaks spanish like the best onesI agree but it seems that others dont. I've noticed some of his threads and people just bashed him because of his characters, saying that they're broken. Warners chars are fine by me, I just dont see why people hate him for them.
Old schoolers don't like that he sprite swaps existing characters. So they bitch and moan. The funny part is that I have no idea what the originals were. Because I didn't want them operantly "apparently" or I would have run into them. I sure as fuck wanted a Mr. Incredible though.Also, Warner falls into the pit of creators who don't take feedback.
apparently. What the fuck. Iphone automatic spelling did that. I know I can't spell for shit, but that one is way off. Shamrock turns that shit off. PS. Skype and jailbreaking are the shit, when your last bill was $500 and two months behind.
LOL, I laughed at PotS reaction and Shamrocks explanation. Oh well, its better than MugenGuild on your PSP.
Hirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 06:06:24 pmAnjel said, July 10, 2009, 05:55:34 pmHirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 05:25:39 pmGonna change my hitflag from MAFD to M. xDWhy would you do that...?I wouldn't need the AFD because after 1 attack he won't be getting up.xDYou did the joke incorrectly because that makes no sense.
महान सम्राट said, July 11, 2009, 04:59:21 amHirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 06:06:24 pmAnjel said, July 10, 2009, 05:55:34 pmHirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 05:25:39 pmGonna change my hitflag from MAFD to M. xDWhy would you do that...?I wouldn't need the AFD because after 1 attack he won't be getting up.xDYou did the joke incorrectly because that makes no sense. Simple enough, all you have to do is jump and he'll miss
महान सम्राट said, July 11, 2009, 04:59:21 amHirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 06:06:24 pmAnjel said, July 10, 2009, 05:55:34 pmHirasawa said, July 10, 2009, 05:25:39 pmGonna change my hitflag from MAFD to M. xDWhy would you do that...?I wouldn't need the AFD because after 1 attack he won't be getting up.xDYou did the joke incorrectly because that makes no sense. LOL I tried! & Failed. <_<
cockgod3000 said, July 09, 2009, 04:53:06 pmWell she's certainly been the subject of quite a few...Man, even the IRC channel is down. Titiln said, July 10, 2009, 05:57:18 pmi remember that one of mrev's regulars (i think it was legato) emailed fortunecity because at one point gohan's history page had the word nigger in it over 40 timesI did the whole email me for my forgotten password and he blew up saying that someone was hacking his account.
shamrock said, July 11, 2009, 03:19:11 amOld schoolers don't like that he sprite swaps existing characters. So they bitch and moan.If you have no idea why some people get angry at something, you should avoid explaining why they're angry at it.
Byakko said, July 12, 2009, 11:09:08 amshamrock said, July 11, 2009, 03:19:11 amOld schoolers don't like that he sprite swaps existing characters. So they bitch and moan.If you have no idea why some people get angry at something, you should avoid explaining why they're angry at it. I have no idea what I'm talking about but I want attention.Fixed.
shamrock said, July 13, 2009, 12:55:16 amWell, please enlighten me Byakko. A sprite swap takes about 2 hours, tops. After someone has put in a couple of MONTHS work, having someone put in 2 hours to churn out something kinda crappy that people go "ooh" and "aah" over rankles rather a lot.Used to be far more widespread than now. Mostly in DBZ. Sucks more now than it did then because characters are BETTER now, take longer to make and there are far more resources now to learn to create them. Also, warner claims he knows how to code yet he still swaps sprites.
Cyanide said, July 13, 2009, 06:24:25 amA sprite swap takes about 2 hours, tops.except when you have to make the sprites
CravingJoker said, July 13, 2009, 01:28:50 amByakko said, July 12, 2009, 11:09:08 amshamrock said, July 11, 2009, 03:19:11 amOld schoolers don't like that he sprite swaps existing characters. So they bitch and moan.If you have no idea why some people get angry at something, you should avoid explaining why they're angry at it. I have no idea what I'm talking about but I want attention.Fixed.You never actually were anywhere around when anything of this happened, were you ?The thing with Warner is personnal for a few RS members. Warner's first "bomb" was spriteswapping Eli's Big Eli King for a Wario several years ago, with time people like Eli and KFM have told him several times that they didn't agree with his methods and that he should at least ask, he accepted, did it again, was told again "at least ask", said okay again, fast forward a while ago (what was it, a year ? Two ?) Warner swapped a Luigi from a character made by someone who was friend with the RS group saying he asked and got permission, they actually believed him for a short while until it quickly turned out he didn't even ask, and so on.This feud against Warner is personnal, as Warner has lied again and again and ignored everything even when the RS group asked him nicely (as nicely as you'll get from them anyway) and waved it in their face and so on.Last I checked, if there's one attitude on "stealing" that still isn't accepted even at Guild, it's actually this one. Saying "okay I'll ask", claiming you have permission, and turning a deaf ear when everyone knows you lied to their face then doing it again. Ever heard of this tehbazzard topic with Shin Dan ?It's not THAT much about spriteswapping as it is that they really think the guy himself is a complete whore on a personnal level.
shamrock said, July 11, 2009, 03:19:11 amOld schoolers don't like that he sprite swaps existing characters. So they bitch and moan. He is also known to lie from time to time. The funny part is that I have no idea what the originals were. Because I didn't want them operantly "apparently" or I would have run into them. I sure as fuck wanted a Mr. Incredible though.Also, Warner falls into the pit of creators who don't take feedback.Fixed.I stand corrected. ByakkoCy, Warner making his sprites didn't take a couple of hours. I read some coders telling him that he should just make sprites. That way they could just use something he spent months working on. The people are the opposite of Warner. I can't make sprites because it's to hard and time consuming, but I'm going to bitch about a sprite artist, because he won't take the time to learn coding.I guess in the old days, coders were protected while sprite artist and rippers had none. Doesn't matter if it takes the same amount of time to code a character as it does ripping a complicated sprite sheet or to draw a bunch of sprites.The truth is Warner should learn to code and the old schoolers should learn to leave other artist be.I'm not sure if Byakko is right about Warner's lies. From what I have read he was getting bullied pretty good. A passive person might be forced into lying, with that kind of bulling.I think that the hatred of Warner is the best example of why the guild changed. I think that Warner's case showed how ridiculous the mentality of those times were. I respect Warner for standing up to a mob rule mentality that was lead by hypocrites and followed by sheep. Just because a majority said that you should; release only your sprites, ride on a back of a bus, be hung for sedition, or blindly follow your country to war, does not make that mob correct, just, noble, or judged nicely by history.Well Byakko, I'm judging history right now. I didn't have to be there to judge it's actions. Sorry, but according to the books, your side were tyrants and lost the battle.Here comes 10 pages of bulling Shamrock, but Shamrock holds his necklace of Warner hung on a cross and prays for strength.
shamrock said, July 13, 2009, 03:29:29 pmshamrock said, July 11, 2009, 03:19:11 amOld schoolers don't like that he sprite swaps existing characters. So they bitch and moan. He is also known to lie from time to time. The funny part is that I have no idea what the originals were. Because I didn't want them operantly "apparently" or I would have run into them. I sure as fuck wanted a Mr. Incredible though.Also, Warner falls into the pit of creators who don't take feedback.Fixed.I stand corrected. ByakkoCy, Warner making his sprites didn't take a couple of hours. I read some coders telling him that he should just make sprites. That way they could just use something he spent months working on. The people are the opposite of Warner. I can't make sprites because it's to hard and time consuming, but I'm going to bitch about a sprite artist, because he won't take the time to learn coding.I guess in the old days, coders were protected while sprite artist and rippers had none. Doesn't matter if it takes the same amount of time to code a character as it does ripping a complicated sprite sheet or to draw a bunch of sprites.The truth is Warner should learn to code and the old schoolers should learn to leave other artist be.I'm not sure if Byakko is right about Warner's lies. From what I have read he was getting bullied pretty good. A passive person might be forced into lying, with that kind of bulling.I think that the hatred of Warner is the best example of why the guild changed. I think that Warner's case showed how ridiculous the mentality of those times were. I respect Warner for standing up to a mob rule mentality that was lead by hypocrites and followed by sheep. Just because a majority said that you should; release only your sprites, ride on a back of a bus, be hung for sedition, or blindly follow your country to war, does not make that mob correct, just, noble, or judged nicely by history.Well Byakko, I'm judging history right now. I didn't have to be there to judge it's actions. Sorry, but according to the books, your side were tyrants and lost the battle.Here comes 10 pages of bulling Shamrock, but Shamrock holds his necklace of Warner hung on a cross and prays for strength. Randomish gives him strength
QuoteJust because a majority said that you should; release only your sprites, ride on a back of a bus, be hung for sedition, or blindly follow your country to war, does not make that mob correct, just, noble, or judged nicely by history.Well Byakko, I'm judging history right now. I didn't have to be there to judge it's actions. Sorry, but according to the books, your side were tyrants and lost the battle.So you're ignoring everything that actually did happen, you're assuming - I'm sorry, you're judging that Warner's behavior was right. Right when he kept his ears closed, right when he came and said "I has permission" when the original author was a friend of the RS group and would obviously realize "hey, that's my char, why is he saying he got my permission when I never heard of it".Again, last time something happened on Guild, the guy who lied and said he did have permission was bashed to death for a incredibly long and stupid topic until he admitted he lied. What RS did with Warner is exactly that. Remind me exactly why you're here in the first place ? While you're at it explain to me which of the two situations I just named is the more hypocritical. It's wrong on RS but it's right here ? To do the exact same thing ? To react the same way to the exact same behavior ? RS shouldn't treat that behavior harshly, but it's alright if the entire Guild forum bashes another guy who does the same thing for days in a very long topic ?I'm sorry, but what the fuck is wrong with you.
Edit. I responded to what your post originally said, not what it says now. Mr. quick fingers. QuoteRemind me exactly why you're here in the first place ?Well, my parents had sex, then gates and Jobs made cool Operating systems. Later, Capcom made street fighter. Then, Al gore invented the internet. Then, elecbyte made a fighting game engine. Then mugenguild was birthed out the ass of dev. Then there was a huge political struggle Byakko's side lost. Then, P.O.T.S made characters that I actually liked. Then, I showed up and made fun of the STUDDERINGWANGSTA. Then I sprite swapped P.O.T.S's nash. Then I messed around learning to code and updated him. Then, I took the time to learn to code for real and haven't finished shit since. Then, the guild wanted new blood. Then I was hired as staff for $10 and hour. Then I was told specifically that we don't care what you do, as long as you make Byakko cry.That's why I'm here in the first place.
Sorry, I thought you weren't just being a stupid troll. I should've known better.By the way, why do you refer to RS as "my side" ? Just because I defend them when you're being stupid ? Just because I've been here longer than you, and by association, I've been here at the same time as them ?Oh, right. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just being stupid, that's why.
Byakko said, July 13, 2009, 04:05:09 pmSorry, I thought you weren't just being a stupid troll. I should've known better.By the way, why do you refer to RS as "my side" ? Just because I defend them when you're being stupid ? Just because I've been here longer than you, and by association, I've been here at the same time as them ?Oh, right. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just being stupid, that's why. I quoted you because you always say what you are really thinking and then change it later. Also this is my proof that you cryed so now I get to turn my time card into Val. I held up my end of the contract so Val better hold up his. Seriously though Byakko, you had me at the Warner lies bit. I would continue with this but i got to go to work. You win, Warner is a schmuck and should be castrated and raped with a dick covered in tar and sprinkled with broken glass.There I hope you are happy.
Quoteand then change it later.What ? I edit my posts to add stuff. I don't change the content of what I initially said. What's that, paranoia ? You think I say one thing and then edit to say something completely different ?QuoteYou win, Warner is a schmuck and should be castrated and raped with a dick covered in tar and sprinkled with broken glass.Yeah I never said that either. There are stuff the "RS team" does that I don't agree with. It's just that I agree with them much more often than I agree with someone like you. The only thing I did here was, when you said "a bunch of old guys are angry at spriteswapping" I explained what I saw, which is, the personnal issues between Warner himself and his attitude and a few of RS's higher members - and not with spriteswapping in general.
Insanius said, July 13, 2009, 04:00:57 pmBehold, the beginnings of a brand new flame war!My thoughts exactly.
Anjel said, July 13, 2009, 04:08:14 pmIs it that hard to say "fuck it" and then leave the thread without starting a flame war?Some people have too much spare time. And it applies to pretty much every flame war covered in the topic.
Byakko said, July 13, 2009, 04:32:47 pmQuoteand then change it later.What ? I edit my posts to add stuff. I don't change the content of what I initially said. What's that, paranoia ? You think I say one thing and then edit to say something completely different ?QuoteYou win, Warner is a schmuck and should be castrated and raped with a dick covered in tar and sprinkled with broken glass.Yeah I never said that either. There are stuff the "RS team" does that I don't agree with. It's just that I agree with them much more often than I agree with someone like you. The only thing I did here was, when you said "a bunch of old guys are angry at spriteswapping" I explained what I saw, which is, the personnal issues between Warner himself and his attitude and a few of RS's higher members - and not with spriteswapping in general.There is an RS team? Who is this RS team you speak of? ................. Oh wait...............You mean that forum that shut down a long time ago.And no I'm not paranoid. I just hate it when I read a post and reply to it, only to find that my post makes less sense than they usually do. Why is that? Because the user realized that he was being to harsh or making a bad argument.
Byakko is right here. Warner HAS lied about his swapping, pretty constantly. In fact Sepp has stated that if he does it again and posts it here he's getting banned. Just, don't make me find that post.You may note that lying is more frowned upon than theft here right now. Someone who outright says they "did this and didn't ask or give credit" isn't bashed as much as someone who says they asked and didn't and are then exposed.I'd prefer people didn't even post in their topics and left them as 0 reply nothings, but that obviously won't ever happen.
0 Replys would be nice. But as you say, it was never going to happen.Don't ever say Byakko is right. Even if he is. Plus, you ruined my fun. Byakko and I disagree so much, that I'm sure I can still start it back up.Lets see...............Let me think.Hmmmmmm.........The sky is blue Byakko. It's fucking blue.
FOOL you could have still tried the perspective that his persecution led into him lying more often in fear of further persecution!!!!Also im pretty sure its fucking greenish blue
Yeah, but that would have required arguing with Cy. And I have respect for Cy. Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty QuoteAnd I have respect for Cy. <--------If that doesn't get Byakko then nothing will
