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greetlock

For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#1  October 20, 2007, 08:36:25 am
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Exactly what you're reading, I'm releasing the two characters for the first time ever, available for download here:

Sulfur = http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6HEL6GZG

Evil Sagat = http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NSG0DUPE

They are not 100% complete, but almost, you'll probably find lots of glitches in them, so feel free to post them, and help out if you want. There are a lot of awesome programmers out there that can probably fix them at their own will, of course. I'm releasing Evil Sagat, originally from regular Sagat by: "Kogason" and Sulfur, originally Venom by "unknown author"
Please give all the credit to these guys, they did all the hard work, I just added my ideas to them (but I did do a lot of work on them, and gave it a bunch of man hours of love, and trial & error)
Thanks guys, I hope you like them, and that you don't hate me for what I did....  :-\
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Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 04:34:24 am by greetlock

tetsuo9999

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#2  October 20, 2007, 08:38:11 am
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No warez.

ESnips = Has alot of roms/freeprograms/etc. ;)
WOO! WOO! WOO!
PSN / XBLA - ViewtifulSuxx

[(_sourlucas_)]>

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#3  October 20, 2007, 08:39:38 am
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    • www.myspace.com/honest_luke
i just opened up sulfer's sff. He just looks like venom with a palette change and zangief's hitspark for his moves.
[Kira] said, May 05, 2008, 08:34:13 am
It's true that if you own a PS3 then all arguments made by those who don't have one are invalid.

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#4  October 20, 2007, 08:40:27 am
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????
What do you mean?

Is it a bad site?

And if so, where can I upload them?
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BigBoss

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#5  October 20, 2007, 08:43:46 am
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  • Snake Eater
    • mgmod.com/mugen/
Not sure if these are just pallete edits or what but this doesnt look like your creation if it is im sorry about saying that ^^.


Well you could upload them here megaupload.com


And yes esnips is very bad.
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#6  October 20, 2007, 09:22:23 am
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Ok, let me try megauploads, but I'll do it tomorrow cuz I'm tired... BTW what I mean is that I didn't do all the sprite ripping, air editting, and basic programming for the characters, what I did was, for example, downloading a normal Ryu, and edited palletes, programming, added programming and some more sprites, and turned him evil... (for example, I actually did with Sagat and Venom)
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BigBoss

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#7  October 20, 2007, 10:32:29 am
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  • Snake Eater
    • mgmod.com/mugen/
greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 09:22:23 am
Ok, let me try megauploads, but I'll do it tomorrow cuz I'm tired... BTW what I mean is that I didn't do all the sprite ripping, air editting, and basic programming for the characters, what I did was, for example, downloading a normal Ryu, and edited palletes, programming, added programming and some more sprites, and turned him evil... (for example, I actually did with Sagat and Venom)

You really shouldn't do that, that is stealing :/ you will get hated in mugen community's for doing that use KFM as a basis instead so you don't get introuble
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#8  October 20, 2007, 07:37:44 pm
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But doesn't everybody steal? I mean, don't tell me they draw all of the character's sprites when they made Evil Ryu, or Shin Akuma... If stealing is the case, then mugen wouldn't have any common names like Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Terry, etc. cuz they are stealing from Capcom, Snk, Sammy, etc. aren't they? I'm just saving some otherwise ridiculous time. I can do it, but it's so time consuming, that by the time I'm done with that, I won't even feel like making the rest of the new moves.. And besides, I do dedicate a lot of time to fix any errors both on my added moves and on the old moves made by the author... and I do give credit to the author, as I don't delete his name... but, if you guys don't like it, then I'll just never post them here, and you'll miss out. I'll just release them somewhere where more open minded people can enjoy it... Don't hate me, rather, understand me... please, I think most of you guys are cool ppl.
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Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 07:41:09 pm by greetlock

ricyorb

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#9  October 20, 2007, 07:46:19 pm
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greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 07:37:44 pm
But doesn't everybody steal? I mean, don't tell me they draw all of the character's sprites when they made Evil Ryu, or Shin Akuma... If stealing is the case, then mugen wouldn't have any common names like Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Terry, etc. cuz they are stealing from Capcom, Snk, Sammy, etc. aren't they? I'm just saving some otherwise ridiculous time. I can do it, but it's so time consuming, that by the time I'm done with that, I won't even feel like making the rest of the new moves.. And besides, I do dedicate a lot of time to fix any errors both on my added moves and on the old moves made by the author... and I do give credit to the author, as I don't delete his name... but, if you guys don't like it, then I'll just never post them here, and you'll miss out. I'll just release them somewhere where more open minded people can enjoy it... Don't hate me, rather, understand me... please, I think most of you guys are cool ppl.
most people ask the author of the character to lend him his sprites...they just dont take it cause they want...

DKDC

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#10  October 20, 2007, 07:58:18 pm
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We're talking about code stealing, not sprite stealing.
You said you created a Sagat character, we know who Sagat is, everybody knows he's from Capcom. But you said you made him, implying you made the code, but if you took the code from another character, you didn't write any of it - or more generally, you took code from someone else and acted as if you did it (even if you did write the rest of the code, if you take big chunks of code from someone else, that's a no-no). In your case where you simply edited a character made by someone else (the code), that's what's called stealing in this community.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 08:03:09 pm by Baiken

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#11  October 20, 2007, 08:02:49 pm
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I know you are, but what am I?... LOL
I mean, I know you are, but that's what I mean, stealing is stealing. I already know that I can do all those codes, so I don't want to waste time on those, I want to move on, and do my codes, my addition to the character, and my ideas. And besides, I'm not a code expert in mugen, and up until now that I found this place, I didn't have anyone to help me out, so what I've been doing is learning from all the characters that I have downloaded, and fixing, or changing what I don't like in the coding from moves that I need for my character. This is how mugen should actually be like, if not they wouldn't have made it linux exclusive as they tried to. If people coding for Linux would have been bitching like little girls about people stealing their codes, it wouldn't be where it's standing as of today, read Linux's history and you'll get what I mean.
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Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 08:06:49 pm by greetlock

DKDC

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#12  October 20, 2007, 08:04:36 pm
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And what's difficult in the task of asking the guy who made the character in the first place, hmmmm ? It's usually simply common courtesy. Someone does something, you modify it, you ask him before releasing it, because, hey, he did it in the first place, and that's not nice or polite to just modify what he did.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#13  October 20, 2007, 08:10:03 pm
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So did everyone ask Capcom, and SNK, and Sammy, and Midway, and ETC. before releasing their sprites? I mean, common courtesy, you know? Besides, if I did know how to reach that person, I would've, but you see, characters don't come with an "author e-mail = me@domain.com" and Venom didn't even have an author name, I just know it was an italian author because of the language used in the programming. I rest my case.
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DKDC

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#14  October 20, 2007, 08:15:19 pm
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Are you aking to go over 8 years of drama and discussion just because you're new ?
FYI, Capcom and SNK have officially stated they didn't give a shit about Mugen as long as you didn't sell it. And as opposed to that, there are people creating for Mugen who have specifically said that they wanted to be asked first. You rest nothing except lack of information.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#15  October 20, 2007, 08:17:22 pm
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And remember, if it weren't for stealing, WinMugen wouldn't exist.. heck, not even Mugen should be used dammit! Elecbyte has to be so pissed... you know... guys let's be real, let's be human.
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#16  October 20, 2007, 08:21:08 pm
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You guys are the ones bringin in the drama... specially if major creators like Capcom and Snk don't give a shit, then why smaller developers that do it for fun should? This shouldn't take 8 years, and will only go as far as you want to take it. This is so stupid, if I ever did my own complete character (which I'm doing right now) and someone uses it, even if he changes him, and turns him into a sissy valerina, I would feel flattered, that he used MY character... that means that somehow they liked my character. Rest my case^2
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#17  October 20, 2007, 08:27:06 pm
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[(_sourlucas_)]> said, October 20, 2007, 08:39:38 am
i just opened up sulfer's sff. He just looks like venom with a palette change and zangief's hitspark for his moves.

Yeah, he's supposed to be Venom mixed with the Human Torch ;-)
Just an idea I had, since one of Venom's weaknesses is fire (or extreme heat) then he aimed to mix his DNA with the Torch's DNA and was successful --- :-D
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#18  October 20, 2007, 08:28:43 pm
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Thought So...
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whodawhat

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#19  October 20, 2007, 08:29:49 pm
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sulfur seems a bit uber dont you think, one of his supers beats you in one hit and he can fly

Iced

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#20  October 20, 2007, 08:33:22 pm
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  • does this look like the face of mercy?
Oh stop overreacting greetlock, yes the code is stolen , that is a fact, you either accept that yes the code is "stolen" according to the community polite-basis and keep doing what you are doing or you dont, no one is gonna pursue you to change it, no one is gonna take you to internet court and sue you for internet money.

Its a matter of politeness, people will regard you in a more polite fashion if you try to be , yourself, polite , or will laugh at your work if all you can do is pick up something others have done and rehash it with flaming effects. yes, Laugh at you. Its a fact, get over it, it wont kill you.

Just understand what others have told you, its considered rude to do what you did. Its not illegal or something, Its RUDE.

If someone in a spriting community that uses someone else work would be called "jill" and someone told you when posting there "dude you are totally jilling it." you cant just go like "Aha but what tells us that jilling is wrong?!".
Just live up to it, your decision then fine, just...
Cut the crappy defenses.

No reason to go into the whole "AHA but they were stealing too " -route.

Now on with the character testing for whoever wishes to do it, Me, I will be in the shadows.

Laxxe23

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#21  October 20, 2007, 08:34:19 pm
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  • Aka ShadesTeam/Zeckle
...we have official permission from capcom and snk to use their sprites, as a common courtesy you should ask the origional author, being mostly open source myself (except for the sprites and kirby) i dont mind if others use my code, in fact i want them to, but what you did was just blatently disregard morality and stole the code, plus alot of people take time to put together an sff as well, its not just adding a sprite pack to an sff its individually adding each sprite group and aligning them
if you want respect from people i recomend working off open source characters or building from the ground up
but never go and say stealing is ok,
also USE THE EDIT BUTTON ITS THERE FOR A REASON
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#22  October 20, 2007, 08:35:57 pm
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Yeah, I mean, I just kept upgrading the damage and cheapness because of characters like Sephiroth, Lord Ryu, God Akuma, etc.. but anyone can feel free to adjust the characters to their liking... like at least lower the "life" "defense" and "damage" data or something.... just like Evil Sagat was a normal character until I downloaded Evil Ryu and Evil Ken, and noticed they have a lot of NotHitBy ticks, which I thought it was cheap, so what I did was the next best thing, give my Evil Sagat more NotHitBy ticks, LOL  ;D
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hjk

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#23  October 20, 2007, 08:41:29 pm
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greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:17:22 pm
And remember, if it weren't for stealing, WinMugen wouldn't exist.. heck, not even Mugen should be used dammit! Elecbyte has to be so pissed... you know... guys let's be real, let's be human.

Smart Point



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Baiken said, October 20, 2007, 08:15:19 pm
FYI, Capcom and SNK have officially stated they didn't give a shit about Mugen as long as you didn't sell it. And as opposed to that, there are people creating for Mugen who have specifically said that they wanted to be asked first. You rest nothing except lack of information.

Baiken said, October 20, 2007, 08:04:36 pm
And what's difficult in the task of asking the guy who made the character in the first place, hmmmm ? It's usually simply common courtesy. Someone does something, you modify it, you ask him before releasing it, because, hey, he did it in the first place, and that's not nice or polite to just modify what he did.

Double Realism.

* Common Courtest is the best thing in Mugen and the most appropriate thing IMO.

Forks in the Road:
- The current rules
- Contacting a creator isn't all that easy. (I'm not taking his side, I'm just stating a fact).



@ greetlock
Did you try to contact the creators at least ??




greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:02:49 pm
I already know that I can do all those codes, so I don't want to waste time on those, I want to move on, and do my codes, my addition to the character, and my ideas. And besides, I'm not a code expert in mugen...

Umm... What ???



greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:02:49 pm
up until now that I found this place, I didn't have anyone to help me out, so what I've been doing is learning from all the characters that I have downloaded, and fixing, or changing what I don't like in the coding from moves that I need for my character.

Ouch. I hate that as well, but you'll have to get used to it.

BTW, who's helping you now ???
LOL, Caddie's the man!! ;)

I'm as real as the runnin, I just happen to rap, Nigaas London, Japan, and i'm scared of dat tap.

I suggest extending my banning, cuz when I come back, it's gonna be hell. You think I was annoying before, oh man, it's on now :)
hjk vs. 99% of MFG. I will win.

RIP Poo Bear Tell my Dead Homie isson, for the year my partner.
Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 08:47:08 pm by Tee Hee Hee

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#24  October 20, 2007, 08:44:21 pm
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Iced said, October 20, 2007, 08:33:22 pm
Oh stop overreacting greetlock, yes the code is stolen , that is a fact, you either accept that yes the code is "stolen" according to the community polite-basis and keep doing what you are doing or you dont, no one is gonna pursue you to change it, no one is gonna take you to internet court and sue you for internet money.

Its a matter of politeness, people will regard you in a more polite fashion if you try to be , yourself, polite , or will laugh at your work if all you can do is pick up something others have done and rehash it with flaming effects. yes, Laugh at you. Its a fact, get over it, it wont kill you.

Just understand what others have told you, its considered rude to do what you did. Its not illegal or something, Its RUDE.

If someone in a spriting community that uses someone else work would be called "jill" and someone told you when posting there "dude you are totally jilling it." you cant just go like "Aha but what tells us that jilling is wrong?!".
Just live up to it, your decision then fine, just...
Cut the crappy defenses.

No reason to go into the whole "AHA but they were stealing too " -route.

Now on with the character testing for whoever wishes to do it, Me, I will be in the shadows.

Ok, thanks for your politeness regarding this, but you did read my very first post on this two characters where I mention that I wasn't the original creator right? And that I wasn't the one over reacting right? And besides that I don't give a Rat's dirty slimy ass about people laughing at me, even if I did, why would they laugh at me... I'm not releasing these characters as "my own, my precious" I'm just releasing the idea behind them, like their moves, and as for sulfur, the originality of the character which I haven't seen, in mugen, or at least similar to them. Thank you, and don't hate me, rather, understand me. I don't want to be a rebel, or the hated person in the community just because I did something that everyone considers a "taboo". And I didn't mean it like "everyone is doing it" more like, a saying we have "look, a donkey talking about big ears"
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#25  October 20, 2007, 08:56:48 pm
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Baiken said, October 20, 2007, 08:15:19 pm
@ greetlock
Did you try to contact the creators at least ??

Well, I had no idea how to, I made these characters when I didn't even know that WinMugen existed, and with an expired version of Mugen that expired like in 2001, LOL (I had to hit F1 each time I loaded Mugen to get the "warning expired version" stuff off the screen)


greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:02:49 pm
I already know that I can do all those codes, so I don't want to waste time on those, I want to move on, and do my codes, my addition to the character, and my ideas. And besides, I'm not a code expert in mugen...

Umm... What ???

LOL, I know that didn't make much sense, but what I meant was that I already know how to make the basics, like standing attacks, jumping attacks, etc. Projectiles... In other words, I could make a regular Ryu if I wanted to, and had ripped all the sprites. But if I want to make my own Evil Ryu, I downloaded an aleady made Ryu (to save time) and upgrade to Evil Ryu, again to save time, again, to save time, not to offend anyone, and I will give credit to the author.

BTW, who's helping you now ???

The "docs" folder, checking other characters coding to see how they did it, and well, just reading around this site...
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Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 09:15:13 pm by greetlock

hjk

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#26  October 20, 2007, 09:27:51 pm
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    • Afghanistan
greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:56:48 pm
Tee Hee Hee said, October 20, 2007, 08:41:29 pm
@ greetlock
Did you try to contact the creators at least ??

Well, I had no idea how to, I made these characters when I didn't even know that WinMugen existed, and with an expired version of Mugen that expired like in 2001, LOL (I had to hit F1 each time I loaded Mugen to get the "warning expired version" stuff off the screen)

Kind of went onto a new topic there.

The way to potentially get a creator's permission is usually by sending a message to their e-mail.
If you don't have the original creator's e-mail, you are more than welcome to ask in this section of the forum:

Development Resources (most appropriate by it's description):
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?board=312.0



greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:56:48 pm
Tee Hee Hee said, October 20, 2007, 08:41:29 pm
greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:02:49 pm
I already know that I can do all those codes, so I don't want to waste time on those, I want to move on, and do my codes, my addition to the character, and my ideas. And besides, I'm not a code expert in mugen...

Umm... What ???

LOL, I know that didn't make much sense, but what I meant was that I already know how to make the basics, like standing attacks, jumping attacks, etc. Projectiles... In other words, I could make a regular Ryu if I wanted to, and had ripped all the sprites. But if I want to make my own Evil Ryu, I downloaded an aleady made Ryu (to save time) and upgrade to Evil Ryu, again to save time, again, to save time, not to offend anyone, and I will give credit to the author.

Off-Topic
Well there were actually two ways to interpret that portion of your sentence so it could have made sense, and I could have just been being anal.   o_O

Back on topic:
Ya See, most people would love to be able to do that but it's not legitimate. If you weren't new it would be taken out on you a lot harder, but you didn't know this forum's history concerning this issue. Before now, this forum was built around courtesy (when it came to creating), and most of, if not all, of the people who were around during that time, religiously abided by the old rules and still do. There was also an issue with the Warehousing/Stealing Community vs. the 'Unofficial' Mugen Community.

If you can create everything yourself, then you are expected to do so.

I, personally, will welcome you to start over and request the stuff, or I could leave and be quiet. I'm just being sensitive to the fact that you're "new" (to the forum) and are technically within your bounds, but really, here, politeness = no trouble/ 'semi-respect'  :sugoi:


Hmmm...
Are you really that new. You seem to know a lot about Mugen's History ??

LOL, Caddie's the man!! ;)

I'm as real as the runnin, I just happen to rap, Nigaas London, Japan, and i'm scared of dat tap.

I suggest extending my banning, cuz when I come back, it's gonna be hell. You think I was annoying before, oh man, it's on now :)
hjk vs. 99% of MFG. I will win.

RIP Poo Bear Tell my Dead Homie isson, for the year my partner.
Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 09:41:49 pm by Tee Hee Hee

DKDC

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#27  October 20, 2007, 09:32:32 pm
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greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:44:21 pm
but you did read my very first post on this two characters where I mention that I wasn't the original creator right?
Well you didn't read the comment you got about it, apparently. We're telling you what the community usually consider as polite, that's all. I haven't seen anyone tell you to CHANGE anything of what you did. So your reactions are a wee bit totally unrelated to what you were being told.
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And that I wasn't the one over reacting right?
Sure you are. You're trying to throw the usual "everybody is stealing anyway, who cares !" excuse, which is not only wrong but also unrelated to what you were being told.

Your apple is blue, dude.
So what, everybody makes blue apples, there wouldn't be any apple if they weren't blue !!!

That's clearly overreacting. We were just telling you your apple was blue, and that you could ask the tree if it was fine to color blue the apples that came out of it. The point is not about who makes blue or red apples, the point is that your apple is blue.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

BigBoss

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#28  October 20, 2007, 10:33:35 pm
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  • Snake Eater
    • mgmod.com/mugen/
greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:17:22 pm
And remember, if it weren't for stealing, WinMugen wouldn't exist.. heck, not even Mugen should be used dammit! Elecbyte has to be so pissed... you know... guys let's be real, let's be human.
THE SPRITES WERENT STOLEN, like he said and Elecbyte are the ones who provided the fucking tutorials and shit to create them, and like he said about capcom they dont give a fuck about the sprites aslong as we dont sell mugen.
STEALING is taking code for the fact people did that themselves no one stole it.
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Kabalyero

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#29  October 20, 2007, 10:45:58 pm
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greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:21:08 pm
You guys are the ones bringin in the drama... specially if major creators like Capcom and Snk don't give a shit, then why smaller developers that do it for fun should? This shouldn't take 8 years, and will only go as far as you want to take it. This is so stupid, if I ever did my own complete character (which I'm doing right now) and someone uses it, even if he changes him, and turns him into a sissy valerina, I would feel flattered, that he used MY character... that means that somehow they liked my character. Rest my case^2

You know, normally I just sit back and watch as others attempt to debate with new contributors about sprites and code, especially since I'm not a contributor myself yet, but you're completely misunderstanding what is being mentioned here.

The reason why some "small developers" become angered when you use their sprites or code is due to the time and effort they put into creating these characters. Granted, the sprites are most of the time ripped from a company's game, but the sprite sheets, color or sprite corrections/edits, individual axis alignment, animations, and especially the coding is their own. The only two things that are even directly taken from a game are the sprites and the sounds, but even that's only as they are displayed in the game and not through the preproduction material. Everything else, aside from those two things, is created solely from the work of these small developers.

In the Mugen community, this is well known amongst most small developers, each knowing how much work they put into their characters and how personal each character does become because of this. Yes, you can modify a character or use parts of others to your hearts content, just don't release it to the public without getting permission to release the parts you used from those small developers for your character. It is not a rule, for now, BUT it is a common and respected practice to ask one another to use certain things of their characters when and if they should need things from their creations. It is also a common respected practice to understand some small developers ask that you not use any part of their creations at all or in the very least without asking them first.

I know that you say you wouldn't care if someone used parts of your character to build and release their's to the public, but you have to understand, not everyone feels the same way and like the real world, you have to learn to accept and respect other's opinions.

Imagine for a second we weren't talking about Mugen, but rather, your home. Now in your room you've got several things that belong to you and noone else, things that you worked hard to gain. Now imagine if someone came into your room and took a few of those things and said, "These are mine!". I'd bet you'd be pretty pissed if it was something you really cared about wouldn't you? Oh, but you say you wouldn't care right? So you don't care if someone comes into your room and let's say... takes your computer or how about the keys to your car? Would you be flattered then when some random person starts to take things from you without asking? I'd highly doubt that...

"Oh but that's different from Mugen, you can't compare!" Oh, but I can! It can take a lot of time and effort to afford and purchase a computer or a car. It is comparibly the same type of time and effort needed to create a character on your own. You put alot of yourself into everything you do, regardless of what it is, if you're not then you're using someone else's. "My dad bought my computer." or "This car was given to me by my uncle." are good examples of someone else's work, you gained these things, but more then likely you either asked for them or were given them because they felt you needed them. In the case with Mugen characters you either ask to use their work or it's given to you by them personally... Has either happened here for you? I'm gonna say no, am I right?

I hope you understand what I was attempting to convey to you here. Again the reason to why people seem against your release here is simply because you are using parts of other people's work that they put a lot of their time and effort into creating without you asking for permission. That is a major insult to the creative members of the Mugen community and a slap in a face to all the people who's work you are using to make this character.

My friend, I highly suggest that you reconsider your release, retract it for now, and simply ask those you used parts from before re-releasing your character. If they say no, then keep the character to yourself and work on something else or get rid of those parts and do it yourself, just that simple. If you can't do this, then I welcome you to the flaming pit of hell that will soon be this and every creation thread you make on here... I pray you like barbeque....
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#30  October 20, 2007, 11:00:00 pm
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Tee Hee Hee:

Well, I first discovered Mugen in around 1999, and fell in love with it, but unfortunately didn't have a "docs" (tutorials) folder, and I didn't understand crap. The only file I had, I believe, was the Mugen Faq file, and from there I learned how to upload sprites into an SFF file. That's where it all began for me... I first made a guy named "Shaolin" with KFM... which was just a bald KFM, and then I evolved him into "Ninja" adding new sprites, and more moves... from there I went crazy looking for more about Mugen, and downloading characters, but so my dissapointment, most of the character's links were broken because (later I found out) that they had stopped making mugen for DOS, and were only making it for Linux... So I got all I had downloaded, and pratically tried to tell all my friends about Mugen's existence, so that I wasn't the only one enjoying it, and/or developing... (plus to see if one of them would come up with a cool character). Unfortunately, no one seemed interested. So I just began fooling around with what I had, and discovered, like two years ago, a page with the "tools" and "docs" folder in their "download" section, and that motivated me into making, Dragon, Evil Sagat, and my latest, Sulfur.... And I just found out about WinMugen, about two months ago, really...
So, I'm very sorry for all the stuff that I've done, but really, I didn't think people were so serious about this stuff in the Mugen community, cuz I'm not, I just do it for fun, and if someone uses my codes, sprites, underwear, or whatever LOL, I don't mind, I'm rather flattered... But I'll follow the rules from now on, since not everybody thinks the same way about this... Thank you..! Would you like some fries with that..? LOLOLOL
...ignore me, I'm a little crazy...!

Baiken:

I haven't said anything about apples... LOL
Ok, I'm sorry, there you go... I will try to find the author of the original Sagat thru this website, to ask him for permission, which I doubt that I will get after all this crap has happened.



Charming:

Whatever...
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#31  October 20, 2007, 11:08:42 pm
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Well, I WAS actually the one that mentioned that it was created by others, and that I just edited them... And I did it as of respect to everyone here... If not, how would anyone know that I stole anything, really... And the most I did was mention that it wasn't completely me, or that "here's my creation".
And no, no matter how you put it, mugen characters does not compare to things in your room, or your car. In the other hand, mugen to elecbyte, might feel like a personal belonging, and I'm not sure if they have stated that they don't give a shit about us using it. Besides, I do this for fun, just like everyone else (I think)
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#32  October 20, 2007, 11:09:45 pm
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Gotta go to work, chat with you later guys...!
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#33  October 20, 2007, 11:16:03 pm
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which I doubt that I will get after all this crap has happened.
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If not, how would anyone know that I stole anything, really...
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Well, I WAS actually the one that mentioned that it was created by others, and that I just edited them...
Honestly, that's the reason people have only been telling you you should ask (and not freely bashing and insulting you) - when someone really tries to "steal" and take all the credit, there are often a great deal of people who come and hammer them down and flame them to hell and back. Most people here have only been telling you that it would be polite to ask the author. They spoke about "stealing" because that's how things are labeled, but as long as you didn't plan to be willingly rude, then it can all be fixed and people can be nice again.

As for the Elecbyte matter, it's been debated a lot and... Well, to make it short, simply avoid the subject. It's really a bad thing to use as an argument.
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#34  October 21, 2007, 03:28:12 am
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Whenever u wanna be part of a community u have to face lots of silly things like this entire thread.

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#35  October 21, 2007, 04:33:18 am
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greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 09:22:23 am
Ok, let me try megauploads, but I'll do it tomorrow cuz I'm tired... BTW what I mean is that I didn't do all the sprite ripping, air editting, and basic programming for the characters, what I did was, for example, downloading a normal Ryu, and edited palletes, programming, added programming and some more sprites, and turned him evil... (for example, I actually did with Sagat and Venom)
you can also use http://turboupload.com/

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#36  October 21, 2007, 05:42:08 am
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I think greetlock is just trying to force his opinion on others (that is he thinks stealing isn't wrong).  He's doing it rather poorly though, especially since this topic has been precedence since the mugen community started.

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#37  October 21, 2007, 05:47:09 am
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Can you please just upload the characters? I just want to play as either of them.... Or someone could just PM me the chars, if they managed to grab them.

* I wanted to try these two out :(

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#38  October 21, 2007, 06:28:25 am
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Drunk Ryu said, October 21, 2007, 05:47:09 am
Can you please just upload the characters? I just want to play as either of them.... Or someone could just PM me the chars, if they managed to grab them.

* I wanted to try these two out :(

Its just a sagat repallete or sprite swap it holds no real value, its the same as evil ryu you'd be better off just downloading evil ryu.
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#39  October 21, 2007, 06:40:11 am
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Charming said, October 21, 2007, 06:28:25 am
Drunk Ryu said, October 21, 2007, 05:47:09 am
Can you please just upload the characters? I just want to play as either of them.... Or someone could just PM me the chars, if they managed to grab them.

* I wanted to try these two out :(

Its just a sagat repallete or sprite swap it holds no real value, its the same as evil ryu you'd be better off just downloading evil ryu.
yeah its pretty much just a stonger and slower sagat that teleports as his running action and sulfur is venom on fire that burns you up close, he can fly and he has uber supers

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#40  October 21, 2007, 06:57:27 pm
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Isn't Koga's Sagat about, hmm, six years old or so?

Played it a few monhs ago, it was pretty bad by the MUGEN "standards" nowadays.
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#41  October 21, 2007, 08:49:41 pm
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I have read everything in this topic and didn't find the download link anywhere. Where is it?? Can Anyone tell me????

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#42  October 21, 2007, 08:51:16 pm
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he took it off

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#43  October 22, 2007, 01:58:07 am
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Why do all these new Mugen fans, try to "create" characters and ask for more credit then they deserve, they deserve nothing for stealing, ban them immediately for failing at life.

Sepp

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#44  October 22, 2007, 08:22:39 pm
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But he's neither a new MUGEN fan nor asking for credit, is he?


Mike said, October 22, 2007, 01:58:07 am
ban them immediately for failing at life.

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Valodim said, August 26, 2007, 07:20:44 pm
1) Do not write users off as worthless beings because they:
  • have not seen all episodes of your favorite anime
  • cannot tell the original from an obviously badly stolen and over-powered MUGEN character of a very good friend of yours
  • appear unable to simply contribute a half-decent stage background to MUGEN.
  • . . .

There are probably a lot of disciplines in which you would end up on the latter places yourself—could you even be bothered to compete instead of just trying to have fun as a mostly uninvolved spectator who might not even care that much about the discipline in question to begin with. . .
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#45  October 22, 2007, 10:00:30 pm
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#46  October 22, 2007, 11:59:46 pm
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Sorry for the delay on reply guys.. Please, I now know esnips is not good, but for now that's what I have, I'm using a 56k modem for now, cuz I'm having problems with my comcast account. So until further notice that's the link. And, yes, EvilSagat and Sulfur ain't a great thing, I just made them cuz I thought it would be cool.. It was more of a what if.. thing that evolved into the characters, and please don't be so hard on me just because I was a thief or what not... I really put a lot of time and effort into this characters, and as you can see, they still have some flaws... You also forgot to mention the Raging Tiger, the freeze tiger, the super tiger uppercut, the projectiles while Fierce or Roundhouse, the Shield, the air teleport, and the fact that you can teleport while hitting (trying to make some sort of DBZ type of gameplay). Thank you, and let's hope this all turns around for the best... I really had no bad intentions.

BTW.. Yes, Koga's Sagat is really old, but until a couple of months ago, all of the characters I had were about that old... Unfortunately for the Venom that I used for Sulfur, I have no author name, all I know is that the guy has to be italian, because all the coding had words that resembled italian words, but I translated them for my own personal use and to better find whatever I was looking for.
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#47  October 23, 2007, 08:20:27 am
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I see where you are coming from I been with mugen for like 5 years if not more tho I never really tried making a char cuz I’m more interested in taking chars other people made and using them to make a full game for my own personal use. Tho awhile back I made a screen pack and it was a learning point for me so I made sure I asked when I took and even asked for help. I’m sure people will be understanding if you ask cuz for something to be personal is one thing but once your releasing something and saying it’s yours the person who took time may get upset. if you can't get in contacted with someone then it's like tough luck no release then

nkomo

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#48  October 26, 2007, 08:39:16 am
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I'm sooo very tired of this arguement! THIS IS A FREE GAME THAT IS PRIMARILY COMPOSED OF AND CONTINUOUSLY THRIVES OFF OF "STOLEN" COPYWRITTEN: CODES/MATERIALS/CHARACTERS/IDEAS/STYLES OF GAMEPLAY/GRAPHICS AND WE LOVE IT!!! ENCOURAGE IT EVEN!!! Personally, I think it's great!!!!!!! There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of forums just for the "Hey can u add this or... hey u should do this like ....." section. Look. If it's a GOOD character then THE PEOPLE appreciate it and can really give two craps about who got what from where. "Creators" are acknowledged for their INITIAL INNOVATION and HARDWORK as they should be. If there are modifications that another "creator" or even your all-purpose gamer wants to implement and share then why the hell should they not? The "mugen police movement" need to give it up! (HIPOCRITES!!!!) Plus there is no reasonably feasible way to stop it from happening! The only tactic I've seen is shaming and shunning the person who uses someone elses work as a template and then "banning" the character/creator.  We all know we search for these characters!!! Might as well just leave it alone and hope for the best. Hope the characters will be good and then download them. If u dont like it DON'T KEEP IT!!! DELETE IT! That's what I do saves space!! Matter of fact, I give most of my characters 2 to 3 airjumps IMMEDIATELY on receipt as is my preference. I shouldn't share them now when someone asks? Ridiculous. I'm sure everyone here has an opinion as valid as mine and I respect all as I do mine. I just can't wrap my head around why people find it so hard to share. More sharing = less stealing I gaurantee!!! News Flash: There is no SHINy PRIZE for creating a good character. Not even for the best character(s). Just experience, notoriety, hella appreciation and the admiration and respect of our community. WTF Let'em shine!!!!!!? Greetlock I'd love to see what you've done!!!!!!!
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#49  October 26, 2007, 08:58:05 am
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Paragraphs are your friend. I'm sure there was content in that somewhere but it's impossible to read.

All most of us ask for is courtesy. A nod to the creator alright. Say "thanks" they have done something for you free of charge you know. Thanks, or thank you in a readme file is only a FEW FUCKING LETTERS.

Why is that so hard. Make a ctrl+Fkey combination that inserts the word thanks when you press it.

No it's not neccessary, no the world won't end if you don't do it. But if you DO put it in people will be nicer to you and you won't be relegated to the ass end of this game showcasing stuff on youtube and emailing it to everyone. Oh and thinking you're screwing all the people who were mean to you over when you release evil versions of their work.

You're not screwing them over for 2 reasons. 1: Noone knows of you and 2: the originals are better.

Anyway, back to point. Say thanks, it's all this specific forum asks for. Nothing more, nothing less. You seem unwilling to grasp this fact.


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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#50  October 26, 2007, 09:21:16 am
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 -indent-  They are and your right. Lol Look in there and see if u can glean my point though. I'm just tired of seeing newcomers in forums flamed to a frica-see for trying something. There used to be an unspoken code of being helpful and/or supportive. Ya know? You could almost hear his enthusiasm dying..... Anyone who takes a sec to look into a characters folder of a decent character can see they have no idea what the hell they are looking at Lol Unless they a: know a thing or two about a thing or two, or b: really wanna know about the game, and have been trying to learn. I taught myself so I got a soft spot for the underdogs seeing how far I've come.

DAMMIT I KNEW I COULD DO IT!!!!

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#51  October 27, 2007, 09:30:25 pm
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Here it is: Thanks Kogason, you are God! LOL
Just kidding! This is the line I have right now in the character DEF file:
author = "Greetlock"           ;Actual Sagat character created by Kogason

I think that explains it pretty well... and besides, I wouldn't even bother putting the author name, as in my "Ninja" character I didn't have an author name, and now I put it in because I learned about the importance of the authors thru this site. Anyways, the "Dragon" that I made using somebody else's Fei Long, didn't have an author name either. I guess that's why I never gave it so much thought.. and that line that I put in Evil Sagat, I put it in as soon as I made the first adjustments to the character (the pallettes) just because I figured that if the guy took time to put his name in the "author" section, was because he wanted some sort of credit for it. Anyways, I hope I find him, and then tell him to read this whole topic, LOL, and then he can tell me what he thinks about it...
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#52  October 28, 2007, 02:56:13 am
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greetlock said, October 20, 2007, 08:10:03 pm
So did everyone ask Capcom, and SNK, and Sammy, and Midway, and ETC. before releasing their sprites? I mean, common courtesy, you know? Besides, if I did know how to reach that person, I would've, but you see, characters don't come with an "author e-mail = me@domain.com" and Venom didn't even have an author name, I just know it was an italian author because of the language used in the programming. I rest my case.
It's considered fan art greetlok. and FUCK! You can type a whole essay with this thread!
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It's true that if you own a PS3 then all arguments made by those who don't have one are invalid.

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#53  October 29, 2007, 04:41:59 pm
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Well, if they make a character like Superman using Magneto's sprites, or Lobo using Birdie's sprites it's fan art, but if they use Ryu's sprites to make Ryu, or Angel Ryu, or God Ryu, or Evil Ryu, or drunken Ryu, or Slightly Pissed Off Ryu, then my friend, it's just copying someone else's work. But FUCK, we already stopped arguing about this, and I don't want to make another essay.
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#54  October 29, 2007, 04:45:18 pm
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Its fan art, nuffsaid.

Closed.
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#55  October 29, 2007, 05:01:25 pm
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Well, if they make a character like Superman using Magneto's sprites, or Lobo using Birdie's sprites it's fan art, but if they use Ryu's sprites to make Ryu, or Angel Ryu, or God Ryu, or Evil Ryu, or drunken Ryu, or Slightly Pissed Off Ryu, then my friend, it's just copying someone else's work. But FUCK, we already stopped arguing about this, and I don't want to make another essay.

I think you didn't read this...
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#56  October 29, 2007, 05:02:56 pm
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#57  October 29, 2007, 05:54:02 pm
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Greetlock, all those characters (even clones) are just fan work, as Tetsuo9999 said before. And if well the sprites, sounds and powers are from their respective games and companies, the MUGEN code and the edited sprites are from their respective authors who adapted (or created) those chars to MUGEN. That's why people in the MUGEN world hate those guys who steal the work of others...

Different of the rest of the attacks you received from these guys, I'll give you a good and non-poluted message: it's better start your own character from scratch (I mean, only use KFM as base) instead using chars of another people. But if you want to do that, it's a good thing ask for permission to that author for use his char as base, or look a free/open source character and use it as base (my Shura is made over Minmei Soubou's free source and incomplete Shura) and then ensemble your project...

Good luck with your characters, I know you'll learn something good of all of this incident ;)




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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#58  October 29, 2007, 05:56:38 pm
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Are these 2 any good?

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#59  October 29, 2007, 07:00:53 pm
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I already got a pretty good Sagat, don't need another one. I don't know who sulfur is, but I gonna check em out when I feel up to it.

Oh yeah, for anyone who trying to kill this kid, I got two word for you: Open Source

Baiken said, October 20, 2007, 11:16:03 pm
As for the Elecbyte matter, it's been debated a lot and... Well, to make it short, simply avoid the subject. It's really a bad thing to use as an argument.

That probably because the people that been bitching about stealing codes cannot win in this subject if it is use against them. It like a huge ass weakness for them  ;D
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#60  October 29, 2007, 07:57:45 pm
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#61  October 29, 2007, 08:07:15 pm
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But only "Capcom" proclaimed it as "Fan Art" .... No other company "Agreed" to this. We just kinda did it anyways.

You can do whatever you want with anyone's character.... Cause they have no licence or any REAL ownership over the character or sprites they use/make... So have fun and Edit others work! Cause all they can do is wine an bitch  ;P

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#62  October 29, 2007, 08:12:25 pm
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Drunk Ryu said, October 29, 2007, 08:07:15 pm
You can do whatever you want with anyone's character.... Cause they have no licence or any REAL ownership over the character or sprites they use/make... So have fun and Edit others work! Cause all they can do is wine an bitch  ;P
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#63  October 29, 2007, 08:16:27 pm
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Alright, dissecting time:

Drunk Ryu said:
But only Capcom proclaimed it as Fan Art.
No other company "Agreed" to this.

Do you have proof of this?

Drunk Ryu said:
We just kinda did it anyways.

Rather that than OMG getting over 9000 leechers bitching about a character that isn't made. And it's not "We" 'cause you're from the half that can't do shit.

Drunk Ryu said:
You can do whatever you want with anyone's character

Oh really? Well allow me to enter your home and fuck your mom, steal your X-Box 360, and piss on your dog.

Drunk Ryu said:
Cause they have no license or any REAL ownership over the character or sprites they use/make

Hey, forget about the countless hours of coding, testing, etc. to make the character as accurate as the original.

Drunk Ryu said:
So have fun and Edit other's work! Because all they can do is whine and bitch  ;P

Yes, edit other's work because all they can do is freaking MAKE THE CHARACTER FROM SCRATCH WITH NO BASE OTHER THAN KFM + THE GAME THE CHARACTER'S FROM. Nice fucking logic.


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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#64  October 29, 2007, 08:19:51 pm
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felineki said, October 29, 2007, 08:12:25 pm
Drunk Ryu said, October 29, 2007, 08:07:15 pm
You can do whatever you want with anyone's character.... Cause they have no licence or any REAL ownership over the character or sprites they use/make... So have fun and Edit others work! Cause all they can do is wine an bitch  ;P
This isn't about legality. It's about not being an asshole.

What does this have to do with being an asshole?

Just because some dude took a character and give it new codes, new sprites, give credit to the guys who made the character before him, sharing his work with everybody, and let people enjoy the character that he finish up? That isn't being an ass hole, that being a good guy.

If you want a real ass hole, then here an example. Hide a virus in his character, put it up for download, and let everybody computer go kablooey.

LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:16:27 pm

Drunk Ryu said:
You can do whatever you want with anyone's character

Oh really? Well allow me to enter your home and fuck your mom, steal your X-Box 360, and piss on your dog.


Do you want a gun to your head when you do that?  8)

Don't compare that to stealing character that you ain't receiving profit, because it just plain out stupid.
Weeeeeeeeed!!! GIMME MAH GODDAMN WEED!!!
Last Edit: October 29, 2007, 08:24:34 pm by DizzySoldier

DKDC

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#65  October 29, 2007, 08:21:18 pm
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Drunk Ryu said, October 29, 2007, 08:07:15 pm
But only "Capcom" proclaimed it as "Fan Art" .... No other company "Agreed" to this.
SNKP did as well. I think Nintendo explicitely refused. For Marvel, Capcom have the rights.
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What does this have to do with being an asshole?
Taking what other people do as if it was yours is being an asshole, that's what it has to do.
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That isn't being an ass hole, that being a good guy.
You're talking from your point of view of "the guy who receives the result". Astonishingly enough, this is not necessarily the same point of view as the one from who it is taken. Before some moronic imbeciles come and talk about how there's no reason for it to be annoying, different people have different points of view, if a guy tells you something annoys him, don't answer it's good, he has every right to tell you it annoys him, particularly when he's the one concerned and not you.
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Last Edit: October 29, 2007, 08:26:58 pm by Baiken

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#66  October 29, 2007, 08:27:14 pm
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Baiken said, October 29, 2007, 08:21:18 pm
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That isn't being an ass hole, that being a good guy.
You're talking from your point of view of "the guy who receives the result". Astonishingly enough, this is not necessarily the same point of view as the one from who it is taken. Different people have different points of view, if a guy tezlls you something annoys him, don't answer it's good, he has every right to tell you it annoys him, particularly when he's the one concerned and not you.

Is the guy he taken from complaining yet?
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LC-DDM

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#67  October 29, 2007, 08:27:50 pm
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DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:19:51 pm

LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:16:27 pm

Drunk Ryu said:
You can do whatever you want with anyone's character

Oh really? Well allow me to enter your home and fuck your mom, steal your X-Box 360, and piss on your dog.


Do you want a gun to your head when you do that?  8)

Don't compare that to stealing character that you ain't receiving profit, because it just plain out stupid.

Bullshit.

What if I stole a homebrewn console you made, made a few tweaks to it so I could play SNES AND Genesis games on it and called it mine? You wouldn't like it, right? Right. Stealing characters is the same shit. Only with different flies. Get the fuck over it.


DKDC

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#68  October 29, 2007, 08:29:18 pm
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DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:27:14 pm
Is the guy he taken from complaining yet?
Does the shop seller complain if he doesn't know you stole one of his apples ? Does it make it any less moraly reprehensible even if it's nothing more than one apple ?
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#69  October 29, 2007, 08:34:00 pm
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LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:27:50 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:19:51 pm

LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:16:27 pm

Drunk Ryu said:
You can do whatever you want with anyone's character

Oh really? Well allow me to enter your home and fuck your mom, steal your X-Box 360, and piss on your dog.


Do you want a gun to your head when you do that?  8)

Don't compare that to stealing character that you ain't receiving profit, because it just plain out stupid.

Bullshit.

What if I stole a homebrewn console you made, made a few tweaks to it so I could play SNES AND Genesis games on it and called it mine? You wouldn't like it, right? Right. Stealing characters is the same shit. Only with different flies. Get the fuck over it.

You mean copying character that isn't receiving profit, it extendable.

Also, do you want a gun to your head when you try to steal stuff in my house?


Baiken said, October 29, 2007, 08:29:18 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:27:14 pm
Is the guy he taken from complaining yet?
Does the shop seller complain if he doesn't know you stole one of his apples ? Does it make it any less moraly reprehensible ?

Is he complaining yet?
Weeeeeeeeed!!! GIMME MAH GODDAMN WEED!!!

Basara Dandy

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#70  October 29, 2007, 08:34:50 pm
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Ehem...

DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:19:51 pm
felineki said, October 29, 2007, 08:12:25 pm
Drunk Ryu said, October 29, 2007, 08:07:15 pm
You can do whatever you want with anyone's character.... Cause they have no licence or any REAL ownership over the character or sprites they use/make... So have fun and Edit others work! Cause all they can do is wine an bitch  ;P
This isn't about legality. It's about not being an asshole.

What does this have to do with being an asshole?

Just because some dude took a character and give it new codes, new sprites, give credit to the guys who made the character before him, sharing his work with everybody, and let people enjoy the character that he finish up? That isn't being an ass hole, that being a good guy.
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:19:51 pm
What if I stole a homebrewn console you made, made a few tweaks to it so I could play SNES AND Genesis games on it and called it mine? You wouldn't like it, right? Right. Stealing characters is the same shit. Only with different flies. Get the fuck over it.




O RLY?? Well, I answer you with this:

Basara Eric said, October 29, 2007, 05:54:02 pm
And if well the sprites, sounds and powers are from their respective games and companies, the MUGEN code and the edited sprites arde from their respective authors who adapte (or created) those chars to MUGEN. That's why people in the MUGEN world hate those guys who steal the work of others...
And with this:
Basara Eric said, October 29, 2007, 05:54:02 pm
it's better start your own character from scratch (I mean, only use KFM as base) instead using chars of another people. But if you want to do that, it's a good thing ask for permission to that author for use his char as base, or look a free/open source character and use it as base (my Shura is made over Minmei Soubou's free source and incomplete Shura) and then ensemble your project...



I wonder if people read well before posting...
EDIT: Bolding important phrases FTW
Last Edit: October 29, 2007, 08:37:53 pm by Basara Eric

LC-DDM

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#71  October 29, 2007, 08:37:26 pm
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#72  October 29, 2007, 08:39:47 pm
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#73  October 29, 2007, 08:41:47 pm
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DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:39:47 pm
LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:37:26 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:34:00 pm
Also, do you want a gun to your head when you try to steal stuff in my house?
See? You wouldn't like it now would you?
No I wouldn't like people stealing my possession

FINALLY we're going somewhere. See, it's basically the same thing. You said that you don't care. But what if they copied AND edited, then said it was theirs even though YOU came up with the original thing?


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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#74  October 29, 2007, 08:43:28 pm
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OK, I'm enough. DizzySoldier and LC-DDM, stop flamewars now or I'll have to report your posts, ok??

DizzySoldier

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#75  October 29, 2007, 08:43:54 pm
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LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:41:47 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:39:47 pm
LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:37:26 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:34:00 pm
Also, do you want a gun to your head when you try to steal stuff in my house?
See? You wouldn't like it now would you?
No I wouldn't like people stealing my possession

FINALLY we're going somewhere. See, it's basically the same thing. You said that you don't care. But what if they copied AND edited, then said it was theirs even though YOU came up with the original thing?

and why should I care? Am I'm losing any money yet? Money is important to me you know. I got bills.

Basara Eric said, October 29, 2007, 08:43:28 pm
OK, I'm enough. DizzySoldier and LC-DDM, stop flamewars now or I'll have to report your posts, ok??

Go ahead, it ain't like I'm losing money over it. Also, I didn't know I'm starting a flame war.  ;D
Weeeeeeeeed!!! GIMME MAH GODDAMN WEED!!!

LC-DDM

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#76  October 29, 2007, 08:49:01 pm
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Eric, I'm trying to discuss this with him without resorting to insults.

DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:43:54 pm
LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:41:47 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:39:47 pm
LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:37:26 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:34:00 pm
Also, do you want a gun to your head when you try to steal stuff in my house?
See? You wouldn't like it now would you?
No I wouldn't like people stealing my possession
FINALLY we're going somewhere. See, it's basically the same thing. You said that you don't care. But what if they copied AND edited, then said it was theirs even though YOU came up with the original thing?
and why should I care? Am I'm losing any money yet? Money is important to me you know. I got bills.

...And we regressed back again.

The money is not important in this matter. What matters is that someone COPIED YOUR WORK (The homebrewn console with ability to play all Cartridge-based games), edited it (So you can only play SNES and Genesis games on it), called it THEIRS, and THEIRS only, even though YOU came up with the original thing?


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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#77  October 29, 2007, 08:49:53 pm
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#78  October 29, 2007, 08:52:36 pm
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LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:49:01 pm
Eric, I'm trying to discuss this with him without resorting to insults.

DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:43:54 pm
LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:41:47 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:39:47 pm
LC-DDM said, October 29, 2007, 08:37:26 pm
DizzySoldier said, October 29, 2007, 08:34:00 pm
Also, do you want a gun to your head when you try to steal stuff in my house?
See? You wouldn't like it now would you?
No I wouldn't like people stealing my possession
FINALLY we're going somewhere. See, it's basically the same thing. You said that you don't care. But what if they copied AND edited, then said it was theirs even though YOU came up with the original thing?
and why should I care? Am I'm losing any money yet? Money is important to me you know. I got bills.

...And we regressed back again.

The money is not important in this matter. What matters is that someone COPIED YOUR WORK (The homebrewn console with ability to play all Cartridge-based games), edited it (So you can only play SNES and Genesis games on it), called it THEIRS, and THEIRS only, even though YOU came up with the original thing?

Am I losing Profits? Money? Benefit?

@ Drunk Ryu: No need for name calling  --;
Weeeeeeeeed!!! GIMME MAH GODDAMN WEED!!!

Titiln

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#79  October 29, 2007, 09:29:07 pm
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lc-ddm: comparing people messing around with a fighting game engine to rape, theft of property and urination on pets is beyond stupid. never do it again.

basara: threatening people with reports? seriously?

everbody else: as long as he gives credit where credit is due (which he did) then there's nothing wrong with it. any replies that are not relevant to the characters posted by greetlock will be deleted.

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#80  October 29, 2007, 09:53:20 pm
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Now, on with the downloa- wait, there's no link.
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#81  October 29, 2007, 09:53:53 pm
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~Raises hand~
"Can I say something?"

LOL



I never said it was mine, DAMMIT... I explained myself that I made the characters somebody else's characters, and asked if this would offend you guys, and instead of saying "Yes, it offends us, and this is what you should do" (some did) They started insulting, flaming, etc. Another thing, it's idiocy to compare "stealing" someones codes, with coming into your house and steal, because the creator doesn't loose his codes, but I would loose my stuff if you steal from my room. And the reason I even went as far as mentioning the companies, it's simply because those companies make profit out of these characters and games, and they probably loose some profit when people prefer playing mugen, than buying a copy of MvC, or CvS, etc. And if they're not complaining, why should you???? IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE... You have nothing to gain anyways, and you did if for FUCKING FUN.... And even soooooooo... I am willing to give credit to the guy who did it, and just mention that the edit was made by me... Now how in the hell does that make me an asshole... I think the assholes are the people who give new, or inexperienced, or not so good, mugen creators a hard time over stupid stuff like this, this is ridiculous..
I would keep typing a lot of more stuff but I've gotta go to work...
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Titiln

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#82  October 29, 2007, 09:55:14 pm
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you should put up a download link so we can at least post "downloading now"

greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#83  October 29, 2007, 09:56:03 pm
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DizzySoldier

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#84  October 29, 2007, 09:58:05 pm
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You know what be a good idea, modify your first post, and put the link there. It a lot easier that way.
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#85  October 29, 2007, 09:58:11 pm
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greetlock said, October 29, 2007, 09:53:53 pm
~Raises hand~
"Can I say something?"

LOL



I never said it was mine, DAMMIT... [snip]
Yes, people simply kept on the discussion even if they had stopped accusing you ; only because people still had something to say on the matter in general. It happens. A lot :P and yes, it's rude.
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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#86  October 29, 2007, 10:21:44 pm
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OK, sorry for that "report threaning" or something like that :P

Greetlock, can you upload to another page like rapidshare?? Megaupload doesn't work for me u_u

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#87  October 29, 2007, 11:56:44 pm
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HEY!! I got The Characters from greetlock and guess what? They are pretty frickin cool if u ask me   ;D Lol They are primarily edits of the original creators work of course but are different enough to warrant their own identity. I like what he's done to the characters, you can see his attempt to make his characters stand apart. From the portraits to the palletes to some of the attacks to their gameplay. Yea, Sulfur is Venom.......if he was made of liquid fire and liked to burn people with it as much as he could.  :sugoi: Evil Sagat is a powered up version of Sagat with fierce-button-induced melee/projectile combo abilities and some decent hypers.
Sure there are some animation bugs and a couple more bugs here and there but I think he showed initiative and really just a want to create his own characters and with time and support will most likely get better and eventually create his own great originals!

I'm going to get back with some more specific feedback in a minute I want to test them a little more first.

Right off the back tho sagats random charge up (where he flashes white as if being energized) seems annoyingly erratic and sounds like he is being hit so it's a bit confusing


DAMMIT I KNEW I COULD DO IT!!!!

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#88  October 30, 2007, 02:17:07 am
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greetlock said, October 29, 2007, 04:41:59 pm
Well, if they make a character like Superman using Magneto's sprites, or Lobo using Birdie's sprites it's fan art, but if they use Ryu's sprites to make Ryu, or Angel Ryu, or God Ryu, or Evil Ryu, or drunken Ryu, or Slightly Pissed Off Ryu, then my friend, it's just copying someone else's work. But FUCK, we already stopped arguing about this, and I don't want to make another essay.
just to bring that comment up again, the ryus you talk of are considered edits  :blank:
[Kira] said, May 05, 2008, 08:34:13 am
It's true that if you own a PS3 then all arguments made by those who don't have one are invalid.

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Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#89  October 30, 2007, 04:56:45 am
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[(_sourlucas_)]> said, October 30, 2007, 02:17:07 am
greetlock said, October 29, 2007, 04:41:59 pm
Well, if they make a character like Superman using Magneto's sprites, or Lobo using Birdie's sprites it's fan art, but if they use Ryu's sprites to make Ryu, or Angel Ryu, or God Ryu, or Evil Ryu, or drunken Ryu, or Slightly Pissed Off Ryu, then my friend, it's just copying someone else's work. But FUCK, we already stopped arguing about this, and I don't want to make another essay.
just to bring that comment up again, the ryus you talk of are considered edits  :blank:

OOOPS..!
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#90  October 30, 2007, 05:03:21 am
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nkomo said, October 29, 2007, 11:56:44 pm

Right off the back tho sagats random charge up (where he flashes white as if being energized) seems annoyingly erratic and sounds like he is being hit so it's a bit confusing



Well, first of all thanks for the positive and supportive comments, as a Sagat fan myself, I really gave many, many hours to that specific character. As for the flashing electricity thingy, I uhhmm... didn't know how to make an snd file, so I just used a hit sound that sounded similar to electricity, LOL... I learned how to make the snd file afterwards, but I don't have the slightest idea on how to find Sagat's sounds, and I don't know if there's a tool to get the sound files out of an snd file. Sufur has a bug that when he appears on the ground in the intro, he can immediately respond to input, oops, looked over it a hundred times, and didn't figure out how to fix it. Anyways, enjoy the characters, and thanks!
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greetlock

Re: For the first time ever Evil Sagat and Sulfur
#91  October 30, 2007, 05:50:59 am
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