Winter has come early. Colorado is covered in snow and it has happened way earlier than it should.According to scientists, this decade has been relatively colder than expected.So that's it. Global warming is NOT the threat they thought it was. Right?No, WRONG!!!It's sunspots folks. The last half of this decade has seen a big dip in sunspot activity. From around 1650 to 1710 there was a massive sustained drop in sunspot activity. It was called the Little Ice Age. That's why the Irish love potatoes so much....it was the only thing that would grow. It was too cold for wheat, and that was all around Europe too. Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty We're most likely doomed, unless you live no further north than 23 degrees north latitude. Around late 2012, (oh SHIT!) early 2013, the sunspot activity will be at a peak again.Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyObama and his sad Solar Power attempt to dupe people into voting for him is a waste and an insult. $150 billion worth of solar panels will put a 2% dent in fossil fuel. You'd also have to build nearly 1000 more nuclear power plants to fully replace coal and oil.It's over, Johnny.Greenland will melt. Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyChrist, I wonder what it looks like now.The influx of fresh water into the ocean will fuck up the weather and unless you live in Florida, you'll be frozen to death. So go out, everybody!!! Smoke, drink, fuck...or sit on your computer and do nothing. It doesn't matter.
whaaat? the image shows that by 2012 sunspots will be back. i bet this happens every 10 or 20 years mainly because i live next to detroit and have to pretend like the world isn't getting colder.
some years ago people were worried that the earth was going to freeze over, global cooling ectit's just something that parties have taken advantage of with the evil sounding phrase GLOBAL WARMING to scare people into more votes and other assorted trash
^yes.I blame Al Gore.this is the party arguements:democrats say: WE MESSED UPT HE WORLD WITH CARBON GLOBAL WARMING DEATH OH NO!republicans say: shut up idiots there's no global warming, this is all natural and we're about to head into a phase of global cooling.further, some people say this: global warming ACTUALLY means that the summers are going to get hotter, but winters going to get COLDER.
As an educated person, I find the lack of brain power here disturbing. Take a class in any science and you will see a major problem coming our way.Is it man made? Who gives a fuck? If greenland goes and it will at anytime, then we have an ocean that rises 20 feet. Florida and India would be gone. I don't care about the idiotic politics of this, this is something that will happen and it is to late to stop it. They have already started redrawing the maps because of the rising water. The idea is to stop worse things that are a couple of hundred years off. The current stuff is already gone it just hasn't happened yet.
kingofM.U.G.E.N. said, October 29, 2009, 05:05:43 amI really do believe that this global warming global cooling thing is pretty much natural^yesshamrock the reason people have to deal with it is because where are all those people going to GO?most are too poor to emigrate or move, it's going to be chaos.
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 29, 2009, 05:08:59 amAs an educated person, I find the lack of brain power here disturbing. Take a class in any science and you will see a major problem coming our way.Is it man made? Who gives a fuck? If greenland goes and it will at anytime, then we have an ocean that rises 20 feet. Florida and India would be gone. I don't care about the idiotic politics of this, this is something that will happen and it is to late to stop it. They have already started redrawing the maps because of the rising water. The idea is to stop worse things that are a couple of hundred years off. The current stuff is already gone it just hasn't happened yet. if there is really something serious happening (stop watching the day after tomorrow) then what are you supposed to do about itso far I don't see any practical way to end a major climate cycle do you?
Building better ways to push back the ocean like they have done in Europe would be a good start. Edit: and the solar and wind stuff is more important when talking about national security then the environment.
....pushing back the ocean in Europe? would you kindly post some kind of article detailing this because it's news to meQuoteEdit: and the solar and wind stuff is more important when talking about national security then the environment. how is solar and wind energy more important to national security than the enviroment
The Lord of the Flies said, October 29, 2009, 05:16:44 amDM said, October 29, 2009, 05:15:04 amfuck you mayansRespect mah ancestors .aztecs>mayansFUCK YOU MEAN
The Lord of the Flies said, October 29, 2009, 05:16:44 amDM said, October 29, 2009, 05:15:04 amfuck you mayansRespect mah ancestors .It's all your fault, then. And his crazy prophecies.
wind and solar + national security: i guess something to do with oil and the terrorists? is that what it has to do with national security?
DM said, October 29, 2009, 05:20:37 amThe Lord of the Flies said, October 29, 2009, 05:16:44 amDM said, October 29, 2009, 05:15:04 amfuck you mayansRespect mah ancestors .It's all your fault, then. And his crazy prophecies. NO U On-Topic@House: Where did you get this info? Also, if I live souther (in Mexico) that means I'm more safe than most Americans?Also, throughough the years, I've come to believe that global warming in inevitable, so bad luck to humanity .
Here you go king http://www.ssqq.com/archive/vinlin05.htmThe Netherlands has successfully pushed back the ocean. We try to do that here but we don't like to spend money for stuff like infrastructure. Here is the less political and historic info of the Netherlands Dikes. http://geography.about.com/od/specificplacesofinterest/a/dykes.htmThe politicians want to talk about stopping global warming here in the states and they can't even fund a good dike. Someone should get their priorities in order.
in a lecture a prof put on a documentary called "water", and how our water in the earth is running out. would letting some ocean in help that or ruin it?
i think global warming will cause global cooling:1st if the ice in the polar regions melt it well disturb the sea current: melted ice = cool water + mix with your normal temperature sea =disruption of sea current = less movement of sea = faster freezing of the sea = ice age = death.
if the Dutch push back the ocean, where do you thing the water will go? I think it will flow to the other sides of the world, so every square meter of dry land they gain means we all lose part of our beaches, this is a new and smart form of imperialism
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 29, 2009, 05:13:12 amBuilding better ways to push back the ocean like they have done in Europe would be a good start. Who's gonna pay to put a wall up along the entire eastern seaboard? And pacific coast too?That will never happen. The rise in sea level would be a lot more than any levee could deal with. But it's not the sea level that you have to worry about. I'm too tired to go through all the steps, but when too much fresh water (which is what frozen glaciers are) fills the ocean the whole weather system changes, and only those living near the equator will be able to survive, and even at that it will be arctic-like. And we did play the leading role in this, regardless of the natural CO2 cycle. Billions of people will die, but we won't go extinct. TSUKASA (´･ω･`) said, October 29, 2009, 06:17:40 ammelted ice = cool water + mix with your normal temperature sea =disruption of sea current = less movement of sea = faster freezing of the sea = ice age = death.No, it has to do with the salt (and/or lack of salt) content...not the temperature of the mixing waters.
No it makes it melt. I understand the other problems again india running out of freshwater. But you are wrong about the entire eastern seaboard. There isn't enough glacier to make the water rise more than 20 feet. Most places in the united states are currently above 20ft of sea level. Florida on the other hand would mostly disappear. We would finally get revenge on them for making us watch that shit about hanging chads.
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 29, 2009, 06:06:58 amWe try to do that here but we don't like to spend money for stuff like infrastructure. I wouldn't trust the US gov with anything regarding weather-relevant infrastructure for a while. After all, they didn't seem to learn that much after the whole Katrina mess. I just hope Obama's health care reform is approved so he can start something along these lines.
This is not more realistic than when Paco Rabanne said the the Russian MIR station would fall on Paris and destroy it.
Well, as we know from Futurama, these two are bound to cancel each other out some time soon. So, everything is all right
you know, that's something i don't care, because no matter what you dop, the most people don't care about anything, till the begin to moan, why their flats are brimming with water. The only thing that i can enjoy is to see, that these people fuck each other up.Am i realistic?
Well, those who will eventually sink and drown because of water level are the poor people who have asked nothing to nobody, and who don't have power.Those who have contributed to Global Warming (did you know that on average, an American consumes twice more energy than any other Western country citizen) will still be rich and be able to survive and won't care for shit, as they'll buy the material to live in a comfortable way.I also like how the USA (industry sector, mostly) consumes by itself 25% of the world's energy. Get nuclear power plants GODDAMMIT !But why am I tl;dr anyway, it's not even proven for sure that man activity has had a real effect on the warming. It's sure they've had one, but is it substantial enough to create all this fuss ? It's not sure, as the raise and lowing of temperatures has been going on for thousands of years (I'm not talking about the insignificant 25 years cycles, but the real era ones), and Dinosaurs surely weren't for anything in global warming.
Even if man didn't have a significant effect on global warming - why not switch to sustainable energy?Right now, people around the world are working on and succeeding in making amazing innovations in sustaining the environment. Plants all dead? Seed bank in Europe. Out of plastic? We can nearly grow plastic on trees. CO2? Artificial trees trap 800kg of carbon in themselves, plant near energy plants.There are plans. People may die from heat strokes and storms, but we're trying right now to reduce those numbers. People have already died. Look up the black saturday bushfires. And sure - the weather's going to get a bit more annoying. But we are WORKING on it. We won't switch to a stone age lifestyle, but neither will we just throw our rubbish in the gutter like we do now.By the way, it's times like these I'm glad I'm Australian. We can take the heat here. We've been doing it for years. People from Arizona and California would probably know what I'm saying.
TSUKASA (´･ω･`) said, October 29, 2009, 12:57:26 pmbecause we are dumbest species on earththis and only this, because god forgot to turn the switch to ON, after it created brains social intelligence.
Gory Cybaster said, October 29, 2009, 11:16:48 amI also like how the USA (industry sector, mostly) consumes by itself 25% of the world's energy.I didn't say it, this time!
Is there where I point out that most countries live off of the united states in some fashion? They are contributing to it as well, they just hide behind, "It is the US's fault"
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 29, 2009, 08:38:27 pmIs there where I point out that most countries live off of the united states in some fashion? And that would be the point where some ppl would get serious and starting talking about world domination management.
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 29, 2009, 06:40:34 amBut you are wrong about the entire eastern seaboard. There isn't enough glacier to make the water rise more than 20 feet.So you're telling me that most of the eastern seaboard is more than 20 feet above sea level?Spoiler: Before (click to see content)Spoiler: After (click to see content)That, to me, looks like a good amount of land gone.
Dr. House said, October 30, 2009, 09:06:50 pmSpoiler: Before (click to see content)in the beginning there was nothing
QuoteSo you're telling me that most of the eastern seaboard is more than 20 feet above sea level?Looking at that map, we would'tn lose anything I care about. Texas sucks, Mississippi sucks, Floridia is killing Social security and are responsible for electing Bush and California has become to expensive. Another good thing from the old world would be, I wouldn't have fucking India's calling to collect on my bills all the time. In the highly intelligent words of George W Bush, "Bring it on"
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 31, 2009, 12:52:55 amLooking at that map, we would'tn lose anything I care about.Wow I thought liberals were supposed to be more commendable than that.
The places on that map are the places that are against doing anything about globle warming. Why would I get all huffy about about the south getting drowned. I feel bad about California but the rest are the same people that say this stuff doesn't exist. I might be a liberal, but I'm not a California Liberal. I'm a Irish yankee. I got better things to worry about than a bunch of drowing or Texans or those poor Hindu bastards that have taken our jobs for two cents a day and no bathroom breaks. If we didn't have to compete with these fucks for our own jobs then we might have the money to invest in different sources of energy and stop funding terrorist and let them drown in there own oil. But we can't do that, because we have to compete with third world ugly. And then third world ugly bitches about the way we do things too. Liberal just means that I think a person can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. Well Texas has been doing what it want for very long time and if they hurt themselves then oh fucking well. Can't say we didn't warn them for over 50 years. I'm done trying to save idiots from there own actions.
Iced is right. Nuclear Winter is much more likely. And as far as the biggest catastrophe this species could endure in the next 1000+years, there is little doubt that it's nuclear war.This planet has been around for millions of years, and there has been more co2 (volcanoes) created by nature during this time that man's impact has been next to none by comparison. That's not to say we've been taking care of the planet, because that couldn't be further from the truth.Yet the ice won't be melting anytime soon. I think it's a scam to make money. Gore for example has invested in alternate energy, and therefore has a business interest in seeing it take off. However, human population is getting out of hand, so it needs to me managed in such a way as to allow nature to self-regenerate.Outside of profit, there is also another kind of battle going in the world. You guessed it, it's the old West vs. East for the millionth time. Provisions such as the Kyoto protocol pose extremely tough restrictions on developed countries, while giving developing countries a free pass. China and India would get a huge boost out of it, since they can pollute all they want, and become more powerful as a result.So, after looking behind such sugar-coated statements as 'saving the planet' (yeah, right) one will always find such motivation to be caused for political + monetary reasons (and in fact political is almost the same as monetary anyways).It's also a platform for dubious political parties to gain control and tax the $h!t out of everyone. How about an oxygen tax?
The danger is greater than you think. Greenland has already shifted considerably and the other problem is a glacier in Antarctica. They have no idea when these things will go. Every time they make a prediction the rate changes. This means it can happen tomorrow or in a 50 years. The problem is very real, but unless we plan on refreezing the lakes that are forming under the glaciers it really doesn't matter anymore. We waited to long to act.
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 31, 2009, 03:32:45 ampoor Hindu bastards that have taken our jobs for two cents a day and no bathroom breaks. If we didn't have to compete with these fucks for our own jobs then we might have the money to invest in different sources of energy and stop funding terrorist and let them drown in there own oil. But we can't do that, because we have to compete with third world ugly. And then third world ugly bitches about the way we do things too. There are so many outrageous things in that post that it might end up deserving its own topic. I'll just say this: when your child mortality rates are higher than ours (specially regarding malnutrition and easy-to-cure diseases) and you don't run the show, you have the right to complain. Until then, trust me, you DON'T want to be in a 3rd world country. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about. On topic, I personally have no problem with a lot of the world sinking. My city is on a mountain. Isn't that the proper mentality?
Dr. House said, October 30, 2009, 09:06:50 pmShamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 29, 2009, 06:40:34 amBut you are wrong about the entire eastern seaboard. There isn't enough glacier to make the water rise more than 20 feet.So you're telling me that most of the eastern seaboard is more than 20 feet above sea level?Spoiler: Before (click to see content)http://www.crazy-frankenstein.com/free-wallpapers-files/space-wallpapers/earth-wallpapers/earth-america-wallpapers-1280x1024.jpgSpoiler: After (click to see content)http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/usanoice.jpgThat, to me, looks like a good amount of land gone.Woohoo, I live just far enough inland to have waterfront property!
That's something I'm studying. Anyway, here are some points that I'll try not to be so extensive. And I'm not too good expressing this in English :- Sun has a periodof 11 years. That's to say, every 11 years you'll get those Solar Storms fucking up our little planet. How does this affect to us? Our communications system is a bit sensitive to this. The atmosphere(in general terms) is also sensitive about it. The Ozone Layer is now full of holes that lets these rays going throgh it. This could increase the mutation tax: don't think you'll develope wings, adamantium bones or else, no. This as much will increase our melanina levels. Niggah future.- Antarctica: So much has been told about it. What's melting is just one part in the northest zone. The big thing, in the central zone, has a 4 Km layer(around...3'5 miles) of compact ice. It's now impossible that melting happens, at least in that part.- Pollution: Nature = 80% of the actual pollution, Humans = 20% of actual pollution. The problem is that our pollution is leaving some products that must not be in there. For you to have an overall idea, a single volcanic explosion is the same as ALL the cars during a year. Do you want a funny example? Ireland. Ireland doesn't pass the Kyoto Protocole, not for the industry or cars, no. It's beacause of the fucking cows and their methan explosions(farts and shit).- Melting Arctic: Oceans controls the Global Weather. If you change some currents, or decrease/increase some valors(such salinity and temperature which determines the density), these currents changes. So as you may thought, if you put "Normal" water coming from the polar melting, the salinity values decrease. So the currents change. Now, the Labrador current is disappearing and it's estimated that in 50 years will complete out. How does this will affect us? For giving an example, extreme weather. In UK, for example, you'll get a big ice layer while in summer will be something like a desert. But that will happen in 50 years,s o relax, people .- Don't worry about the planet. It can handle with it. Be affraid by the human race.- About the map: That's what exactly happens if the island of Gomera falls into the Sea(it's a volcanic chimney). A SO BIG Tsunami will be as result. But big big. Around(estimated value) of 600 m tall. That's to say 1800 feets tall O_o.- Anyway, we're too young to be affraid of, let our sons deal with it !(just joking, of course)
You sited cows as a natural contributor to pollution. When cows are a man made creature. Also the farming of them has increased their numbers more than they would in nature. Remember that farming is not natural and is the number one source of our pollution. Everything from the cow farts to the trucks that move them around and the electricity used. People hear farmer and image a guy with a pitch fork, when the truth is he is a suit wearing businessman.
I never knew farmers till soil, plant seeds and harvest crops wearing business suits. The more you know.
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 31, 2009, 10:53:45 amPeople hear farmer and image a guy with a pitch fork, when the truth is he is a suit wearing businessman.Errr...you're wrong. At least in the old(but cool) Europe, farmers are different of your view. Those you talk about are the intermediates between the REAL FARMERS and those who buys their products. I have camps of orage trees and believe me, I don't wear a businessman suit
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 31, 2009, 04:51:11 amThe danger is greater than you think. Greenland has already shifted considerably and the other problem is a glacier in Antarctica. They have no idea when these things will go. Every time they make a prediction the rate changes. This means it can happen tomorrow or in a 50 years. The problem is very real, but unless we plan on refreezing the lakes that are forming under the glaciers it really doesn't matter anymore. We waited to long to act. Ha-ha, they don't know when it will happen? That's what I call sham science! If they have a +-50 year degree of error, how can we be reasonably sure that their premises are even solid, much less their conclusions? Are *you* going to feel warmer outside this winter? I doubt it.Let me give you a similar argument to the one that greenies present.The universe is immense beyond our comprehension. There are probably many many different planets (planets are much harder to estimate than stars). Thus, it may be possible that there exists intelligent life on another planet. It may also be possible that this intelligent life will want to destroy us.Therefore, we have the options of building incredibly expensive anti-alien aircraft and satellites in space. If we are wrong, then those weapons will be left sitting idle (heh) and our economy will suffer. Yet if we are right, then we have the chance to prevent an alien invasion!!!111Therefore, let us act NOW to prevent the possibility of alien invasion! Our scientists have determined that the threat of alien invasion is very real (read the 1500 page report). We must act before it's too late. Think of your children and our future. God bless AMERICA.Well, that kind of BS also applied to the bail out plans (trillions of taxpayer's dollars...missing).Science and statistics can be manipulated to serve a particular agenda. With a little marketing, the population can be made to believe almost any nonsense in the name of 'science'. If you want to get closer to the truth ask yourself this? WHO STANDS TO PROFIT? Name me a disaster, and I'll show you someone who profits.
Gory Cybaster said, October 31, 2009, 11:22:17 amYou're talking about American farmers. He's talking about the owners of the farms who hire the local peasants (lol medieval vocabulary). Same thing happens here.
QuoteScience and statistics can be manipulated to serve a particular agenda.People that say this either have no education or no brain at all. It is called the scientific method. A theory stands when it is testable and it doesn't fail any of the test. 1day to 50 years is not a very long margin of error. Dating using Carbon 14 isn't as accurate as 1 day to 50 years but that doesn't mean when they say this animal died based on the decay of carbon 14 between 100 and a thousand years ago. Because it did die between those dates. That is just an example. This is an example of what you just said in your quote; If I see that my car is on a hill and the parking break is off and the car is moving .00000001 inches per minute down the hill and it is accelerating at an increasing rate of speed, and items like rocks and types of dirt are being factored into the cars decent. Then because I have a margin of error, then the car will never fall down the hill. That is what you just said basically. Does that sound intelligent you?
QuoteSo go out, everybody!!! Smoke, drink, fuck...or sit on your computer and do nothing. It doesn't matter.oh, fuck off I'd rather blame you all than surrender to self-indulgence.but anyway Holland will be mine before 2012. that will be fun. Welcome Aquarius!navetsea said, October 29, 2009, 05:46:13 amjust before you are frozen to deathmake sure to strike a cool pose like thishttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3246/3157397958_47fa815814.jpg?v=0and not like thishttp://trickyourblog.com/uploads/user_8/han-solo-frozen-in-carbonite_3.jpgalso, navets for moderator.
Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, October 31, 2009, 07:20:35 pmQuoteScience and statistics can be manipulated to serve a particular agenda.While I think that discarding all scientific and statistical studies as 'evil empire's agenda' is really stupid, I also think that results can be twisted (if not completely made up, sometimes).The scene regarding the cause for global warming (because global warming is an easy-to-check reality) is quite complex, with a ton of studies that back up one side and a ton of studies on the other one. This kind of situation is the hardest, when the scientific community is split, and there is a lot of money and power at stake. So far, I just don't trust anything said unless I can see the whole study, sample, method, etc.
Shamrock, you didn't understand my point.The nazis also used 'science' to prove the overwhelming superiority of the Arian race.Science and pseudo-Science are very different things. I support one, but not the other. The example you gave with your car is preposterous. If the coefficient of friction is insufficient, of course the car will roll down. When did I say otherwise? Yet global warming is incredibly complex.So complex in fact, the scientists are making many different assumptions about the matter. It is those assumptions which are sometimes hyped as fact, or as the most 'logical' by the ones who have money and an agenda.Yet if you understand the properties of water vapor Shamrock, then be my guest and create a more accurate weather model that takes into account solar activity, co2 emissions, etc.Science is also full of bias. Some methods are very flawed, and some Scientific reports deliberately mislead the population. For instance, some of the reports about global warming gives one the impression that all of the big names there agree with each other, when in fact many of them disagree with one another...yet outside of their little blurb the report is written in such a way as to seem that it is the unanimous scientific opinion that all scientists who contributed agree to its ultimate conclusion.Furthermore, when some scientists are given funding and others not based on their connections, or when the overall bias in the scientific community is to generate 'shock', then I very much question its integrity on some issues. If a study came out that said, 'Global Warming is a Farce', then who would give a crap? The media wouldn't touch it, many people wouldn't read it, and the funding would die off. But if the opposite happens, CNN makes money, they get funding, and perhaps even make connections between the two that pollutes scientific integrity. In such a case it is no longer science, it's propaganda.
You are seeing conspiracy where this is not one. There were also scientist that said the world was flat at one time. Global warming is true. The only moronic argument about it is, is caused by man. Some people say we are to small to have that much of an impact. People don't know how much of impact we have had already.Cows and corn are not even natural sources of food. We created both of them through selective breeding. Even our farmed version of wheat isn't the same as wild wheat. Dogs were the first thing we domesticated. You wouldn't see any fucking poodles in the wild. We have changed the landscape and nature for about 4000 years or more.Since we started industrialism the world has gotten hotter by a rate faster than we have previously seen in history and the geological record. So the planet has gotten hotter in the last 100 years, faster than it ever has before. A good theory would be man has increased this rate. So you test this theory. So far the theory still stands. Just like the theory of gravity still stands. Does that mean that there is gravity or global warming? No, it is not guaranteed. I mean there was a long moment where we shot people around the moon and everyone at nasa was thinking, "Shit I hope I we were right about the theory of gravity." Theories are very powerful things. We flew into space based on theories. Until someone discovers that the invisible man turned our space craft around then the theory of gravity will have to hold.It is the same with global warming. Until we find a better theory that is both testable and hasn't been proven false, then the theory stands. You guys and your conspiracy theories need to ask a simple question. What would be the point? Where is the profit in bullshitting us? Why can't people look at the data themselves instead of talking about how 50 years ago Hitler did this and that. The fucking data is there just look at it and use your brain, it isn't difficult.
Viscount said, November 01, 2009, 07:12:14 pmScience and pseudo-Science are very different things. I support one, but not the other.Why don't you do some research to back up your points? Please enlighten us.You seem pretty well educated. Viscount said, October 31, 2009, 04:38:55 amThis planet has been around for millions of yearsOpps. I think I take that back. Viscount said, November 01, 2009, 07:12:14 pmIf a study came out that said, 'Global Warming is a Farce', then who would give a crap? The media wouldn't touch it, many people wouldn't read it, and the funding would die off.Also, the reason why I posted this is because of how much news I've been seeing about global warming being over.
Dr. House said, November 01, 2009, 10:08:55 pmViscount said, October 31, 2009, 04:38:55 amThis planet has been around for millions of yearsOpps. I think I take that back. Erm, why? The planet has been around for millions of years. Around 4.500 million years. Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, November 01, 2009, 09:41:08 pmWhere is the profit in bullshitting us?Sham, don't tell me you are naive enough to discard the notion that while science attempts to find an objective truth and eventually finds it, there is a lot of pressure to find results suiting the powers that be. The work of Thomas Kuhn, Imre Lakatos and Pierre Bourdieu (among others) on the subject of sociology of science is more than interesting, and one of the areas I've always been interested in.Many reasonable experts still discuss the idea that global warming is caused by man, and both sides have reasonable arguments (theories and experiments) to back it up. I just decided not to make up my mind yet, considering the community is split on this one.
The community is not split. Find me a college book with a split. In fact find me a scientist that has data saying that we are not the cause of the increase in temperature for the last one hundred years.
As I said before,Lasombra Demon said, October 31, 2009, 09:06:00 pmThe scene regarding the cause for global warming (because global warming is an easy-to-check reality) is quite complex, with a ton of studies that back up one side and a ton of studies on the other one. This kind of situation is the hardest, when the scientific community is split, and there is a lot of money and power at stake. So far, I just don't trust anything said unless I can see the whole study, sample, method, etc.I've never ever doubted global warming. The community is still split regarding the causes, though.
So you can't find one. And the cause is natural and man. We are coming out of an Ice age. It has been happening since we first left Africa and even before then.That isn't a split. That is two different subjects. One is the ending of an Iceage, the other is the contribution of man to global warming. There is no split. We know the causes of it and we know why it is increasing.
Wha...?Okay, lemme dig some names up.I just really don't think there is as much consensus on this one as on other topics, no need to get so defensive.Habibullo Abdussamatov, Nir Shaviv, Niger Calder, and a recent award-winning spanish expert which I can't find now (will get you more data tomorrow, 'k?) all oppose the idea quite vividly. I truly don't have the time to google some more but I do fin the issue to be quite 'hot' at the moment. Having searched, though, it does seem there is a bit more consensus than I thought. Still, the sheer fact that a portion of the scientific community opposes this is alarming enough for me to take a more skeptic standpoint, i.e. I'm not buying any version until I see more.
Lasombra Demon said, November 01, 2009, 11:24:43 pmErm, why? The planet has been around for millions of years. Around 4.500 million years. There are minerals on the Earth that have been dated at 4 BILLION years old, and full rocks that are 3 1/2 BILLION years old.And the rocks that have just been packed and cooked a week ago are the ones you must be smoking.Shamrock, the Hard Mod said, November 02, 2009, 12:20:32 amFind me a college book with a split.I wouldn't use that to further an argument. Nearly all text books say that the Big Bang started the Universe, but there really isn't enough evidence to TRULY rule it as the way to go.College texts favor the "cooler" answers whenever possible.
Dr. House said, November 02, 2009, 02:54:07 amLasombra Demon said, November 01, 2009, 11:24:43 pmErm, why? The planet has been around for millions of years. Around 4.500 million years. There are minerals on the Earth that have been dated at 4 BILLION years old, and full rocks that are 3 1/2 BILLION years old.And the rocks that have just been packed and cooked a week ago are the ones you must be smoking.Fucking lmao...
Hey Dr. House! I see that great progress you've been making...after you learn your numbers, maybe you'll be able to summon the mighty 'alpabit' to help your arguments! Ready House, A, B, C, D...can you say the rest?
House you nullified your entire statement about College Text books and the big bang. I'm laughing my ass off.
Dr. House said, November 02, 2009, 02:54:07 amLasombra Demon said, November 01, 2009, 11:24:43 pmErm, why? The planet has been around for millions of years. Around 4.500 million years. There are minerals on the Earth that have been dated at 4 BILLION years old, and full rocks that are 3 1/2 BILLION years old.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000000000_(number)PS: http://hispanismo.org/ciencia/9192-el-mito-del-cambio-climatico.html (In spanish, sorry)Richard S. Lindzen, Vincent Courtillot, Bjorn Lomborg, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augie_Auer ,and Antonio Uriarte's whole blog with a ton of entries (in spanish mostly, sorry; I'll just say the guy has 2 degrees in climatology and geography, and most of his studies DO seem interesting): http://biblioweb.sindominio.net/escepticos/kioto.html, http://antonuriarte.blogspot.com/A particular book: Craig Idso and S. Fred Singer, Climate Change Reconsidered: 2009 Report of the Nongovernmental Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), Chicago, IL: The Heartland Institute, 2009. Printed in the United States of America ISBN-13 – 978-1-934791-28-8 ISBN-10 – 1-934791-28-8http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_skepticismI've even read the term enviromental McCarthism regarding how scientists might be shunned because of their studies.I guess I'm still keeping my position, I don't trust any side.
The world's over populated anyway, this will be good and punish the wicked, hell even the good for not doing enough. Sometimes you just gotta punish everyone, even the innocent.
it is already november and the rainy season is not yet begun here, usually september is the start of rainy season here, and these last few days, the temperature is hot and humid
If it doesn't rain in my town before the 11th, we're going on water rationing. We've had electric shutdowns due to fires, due to dry weather. A couple of days ago, we had a temperature of 40 degrees. It hasn't rained in a LOT of time. And it's rain season.
