So, apparently there is a mosque being built near the Ground zero in New york.Several people are protesting it, claiming it to be symbolic of the dominance of islam in a place where many died for that religion.The uproar seems to have grown steadily as some have suggested that they want to open the mosque on 9/11.During one of the protests they jumped onto brown people there, assumed they were islamics and started demanding them to go back home, bonus, those brown people were part of the protest, christians themselves.LINKWhat do you think? Should they be forbidden to build mosques on a three block radius from Ground zero?
So it's ok to have McDonald's and Coca-Cola in muslim countries, but not ok to have a mosche built near Ground Zero? Oh the hypocrisy...Do these bunch of rednecks and hillbillies realize that among the many 9/11 victims, there were also muslim people who don't share the views of fanatics that use religion as a justification for their crimes?
Muslim/Middle Eastern = terrorist remember?just like during ww2: = straight to fucking detention campthat's why the US's economy is getting pwned right now, little racist ignorant shit like this.god bless america
XGargoyle said, June 09, 2010, 01:34:53 pmSo it's ok to have McDonald's and Coca-Cola in muslim countries, but not ok to have a mosche built near Ground Zero? Oh the hypocrisy...Thats because mosques dont bring in monetary revenue for big business. McDonalds and Coca-Cola, on the other hand, do. Hell, I'm more surprised there isnt a Disneyland over in Kabul yet, might as well put all that desert to SOME use, right?
Iced said, June 09, 2010, 11:09:45 amDuring one of the protests they jumped onto brown people there, assumed they were islamics and started demanding them to go back home, bonus, those brown people were part of the protest, christians themselves.
^I tell you, that shit gets funny after a while. A friend got the "Get out of here you paki terrorist!!!" calls from a car, and he was Indian RicePigeon said, June 09, 2010, 07:41:25 pmThats because mosques dont bring in monetary revenue for big business. McDonalds and Coca-Cola, on the other hand, do. Hell, I'm more surprised there isnt a Disneyland over in Kabul yet, might as well put all that desert to SOME use, right?not enough money in it THE wordforge topic on this had some good stuff about this:http://wordforge.net/showthread.php?t=79671&highlight=ground+zeroQuoteIt's two blocks away. People wouldn't even notice/realize if it weren't for somebody writing an article trying to make it a thing.
Nero D. said, June 09, 2010, 01:40:32 pmMuslim/Middle Eastern = terrorist remember?just like during ww2: = straight to fucking detention campthat's why the US's economy is getting pwned right now, little racist ignorant shit like this.god bless americaYes the US economy is getting pwned, because of some racist Americans. Lol!God bless stupidity.
*Sigh* you again. You ready for round two?Remember you didn't finish round one in the last topic cause you pussed out. Or some other excuse.Ps that was said cause foreigners and immigrants help the economy moar than Americans care to consider.I am still waiting for your retort...In both topics.
back on topicI think Muslims should have the common sense to realise that building a mosque in the vinicity of the world trade centre is obviously going to cause a great deal of offense and is not worth the effort when I'm sure there are plenty around New York.And I never get the whole "get out of my country" thing, the only people who can truly stake claim to america are the native americans. And even then it doesn't seem like anyone cares what they think ???
Nero D. said, June 09, 2010, 08:17:40 pm*Sigh* you again. You ready for round two?Remember you didn't finish round one in the last topic cause you pussed out. Or some other excuse.Ps that was said cause foreigners and immigrants help the economy moar than Americans care to consider.I am still waiting for your retort...In both topics."you didnt answer in my other thread" is a really fucking pathetic reply
the_mith said, June 09, 2010, 08:58:29 pmback on topicI think Muslims should have the common sense to realise that building a mosque in the vinicity of the world trade centre is obviously going to cause a great deal of offense and is not worth the effort when I'm sure there are plenty around New York.It's two blocks away though and I think I read somewhere that it's supposed to be a community center and mosque. mix of both.
a community centre?Perhaps it would be ok, but these types of people will still say no.On the other hand i agree, that it causes a big deal of offense, as a muslim.There must be other areas to build it. I really don't know about themapping of NY, but if the place is near the centrum of this city, this could be a reason.And regarding the idiocy of people, that can't realize that some of them could share the same pain because of the same incidents, get a grip and use your brain, for a nanosecond.
those who bombed the twin towers ain't muslims those people are just manipulators. if you can't build a moque in ground zero then please remove the jews from israel and all christian church in jerusalem or all catholic churches in taiwan and macao.
地狱的花 said, June 10, 2010, 10:48:49 amthose who bombed the twin towers ain't muslims those people are just manipulators. if you can't build a moque in ground zero then please remove the jews from israel and all christian church in jerusalem or all catholic churches in taiwan and macao.this
i don't get it? why would it be an insult? it's not the muslims wanted it to be bombed... and isn't some of the workers there are muslims?地狱的花 said, June 10, 2010, 10:48:49 amthose who bombed the twin towers ain't muslims those people are just manipulators. if you can't build a moque in ground zero then please remove the jews from israel and all christian church in jerusalem or all catholic churches in taiwan and macao.hey i thought you're a catholic?
地狱的花 said, June 10, 2010, 10:48:49 amthose who bombed the twin towers ain't muslims those people are just manipulators. if you can't build a moque in ground zero then please remove the jews from israel and all christian church in jerusalem or all catholic churches in taiwan and macao.I don't see any connection that make sense here?
A better example would be to remove all christian churches from the continent of America, since the men that killed the americans and replaced them with spanish and brittons were all carrying bibles.
Iced said, June 10, 2010, 03:50:05 pmA better example would be to remove all christian churches from the continent of America, since the men that killed the americans and replaced them with spanish and brittons were all carrying bibles.nooo, indigenous people who lived in America were called Indians
navetsea said, June 10, 2010, 02:45:49 pm地狱的花 said, June 10, 2010, 10:48:49 amthose who bombed the twin towers ain't muslims those people are just manipulators. if you can't build a moque in ground zero then please remove the jews from israel and all christian church in jerusalem or all catholic churches in taiwan and macao.I don't see any connection that make sense here?many muslims died because of this so called crusade to take back the holy land. why is it holy anyway it's just dirt.
地狱的花 said, June 10, 2010, 05:36:52 pmnavetsea said, June 10, 2010, 02:45:49 pm地狱的花 said, June 10, 2010, 10:48:49 amthose who bombed the twin towers ain't muslims those people are just manipulators. if you can't build a moque in ground zero then please remove the jews from israel and all christian church in jerusalem or all catholic churches in taiwan and macao.I don't see any connection that make sense here?many muslims died because of this so called crusade to take back the holy land. why is it holy anyway it's just dirt.it was a war both parties fight for their ideal totally different than terrorist act, as if arabs don't have wars among each other and what about macao and taiwan?
yes it is war but who is the one invading.and how about in the south east asia where catholic priest forced people to convert or they exile you from your own land.
地狱的花 said, June 11, 2010, 03:53:53 amyes it is war but who is the one invading.and how about in the south east asia where catholic priest forced people to convert or they exile you from your own land.the land is the hotspot of all abrahamic religions, it was pretty valid reason to have war there when all parties want to own it for themself and kick each other out.I live in south east asia, and christian is a minority everywhere in south east asia except philipines, but it's all the same with areas with muslim majority populated in my country where restaurant forced to close during their fasting month or else getting vandalized by a pickup truck full of muslims, they say it proudly on tv while breaking chairs and tables saying "praise allah, mohammed is the the prophet!!" so if they're fasting everybody else should starve along with them so they don't be a temptation for the fasting muslims,how about that?it's not the religion that is wrong, but the retarded extremists are, and if those extremists have been given license to teach their own point of view of their religion to others then it will make everything worse.
TSUKASA (´･ω･`) said, June 10, 2010, 02:44:06 pmi don't get it? why would it be an insult? it's not the muslims wanted it to be bombed... and isn't some of the workers there are muslims?地狱的花 said, June 10, 2010, 10:48:49 amthose who bombed the twin towers ain't muslims those people are just manipulators. if you can't build a moque in ground zero then please remove the jews from israel and all christian church in jerusalem or all catholic churches in taiwan and macao.hey i thought you're a catholic?You are not allowed to quote yourself.
Ok so Muslim "Islamic's" insurgence supposedly blew up the world trade centers and now they cant have a mosque in the vicinity. But the "In GOD WE TRUST" American Army annihilates Hiroshima and Nagasaki and all over and around the boming site there catholic churches lol. Come on Americans we can surely stand to look a little bit more dignified... or can we?New York (AsiaNews) – Archbishop Joseph Mitsuaki Takami of Nagasaki and Bishop Joseph Atsumi Misue of Hiroshima appealed to world leader to realise the madness of atomic weapons. They did so by bringing the story of the one nation that experienced an atomic attack. Both clergymen travelled to New York for the 2010 review conference for the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, which opened on Monday with a speech by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and which will close on 28 May.
I have respect for all People of the Book (Muslims/Jews/Christians), and love them equally. At a cursory glance, I felt that building a mosque near Ground Zero would be indelicate and in bad taste at the very worst, but freedom of religion is an important tenet in our U.S. Constitution.That said, life experience has taught me to research not only the stated action, but the motivations of the actor. After reading about the background and beliefs of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf (religious leader and owner of the real estate upon which the mosque will potentially be posited), I found that despite his current calls for moderation, he actually supports da’wah and the implementation of Sharia in the U.S. Those of you who have read the Quran (as I have) will recall that da'wah is basically Islamic proselytizing, though in an aggressive manner. In current (and historic) Islamic law, da’wah precedes jihad. It is meant as a beacon to call the nonbelievers to Islam. If they refuse to accept, then jihad is initiated against them. In Islam, the purpose of both da’wah and jihad is to impose Islamic law or Sharia upon the nonbelievers as a political system, not as a religious one.I don't necessarily believe Imam Feisal wants blood in the streets on a massive scale, but I certainly don't fault anyone who finds his motivations suspect and are consequently offended by his actions and beliefs...
QuoteThose of you who have read the Quran (as I have) will recall that da'wah is basically Islamic proselytizing, though in an aggressive manner. In current (and historic) Islamic law, da’wah precedes jihad. It is meant as a beacon to call the nonbelievers to Islam. If they refuse to accept, then jihad is initiated against them. In Islam, the purpose of both da’wah and jihad is to impose Islamic law or Sharia upon the nonbelievers as a political system, not as a religious one.where did this come from
I'm still waiting for the papers to go through for my floating Jujutsu dojo in Pearl Harbor.I agree with the other guy on page 1.They have all the legal standings to open this thing, but c'mon. Have some fucking sense.
Hahaha! I love that mosque idea more and more every time I hear about it! I hope it gets built just for the laughs.QuoteThey have all the legal standings to open this thing, but c'mon. Have some fucking sense.I agree with that too, I'm sure they knew some nut bags would go ape shit over it. But I think misinformation about is the biggest problem. It tends to be reported and then misunderstood that the mosque is being built directly on top of or looming directly over ground zero as opposed to being built a block or two away. I just googled the location/distance and found a google page listing full of "within spitting distance" of ground zero. Pretty shitty stories on it, but it doesn't excuse the strong and mostly idiotic outcry over the mosque.Oh and off-topic,Nero D. said, June 09, 2010, 08:17:40 pmForum posting is an imaginary boxing match!LOL! Just noticed that post. I hope round 3 is more intense and memorable for me than the first two were! I am 100% totally sorry I don't care enough to check back or remember all of my post history, I hope you will forgive me for this late response.
This has got to be the silliest thing I have ever heard. The only asses in this situation are those who support the building of a mosque so close to a site well-known for its cnnection to passionate feelings. It's as if they're saying, 'let's completely disregard America's (much less New York's) reputation for unreasonable action and put ourselves directly into the line of fire of their impassioned emotions.' They know exactly what they're are doing; they're tempting idiots. Funny thing is, I think a grave little lesson will come of it; "Temp a fool, and the fool will make an ass out of you (aka you are the damn fool)."Jeraude Reuisu said, June 11, 2010, 02:15:08 pmOk so Muslim "Islamic's" insurgence supposedly blew up the world trade centers and now they cant have a mosque in the vicinity. But the "In GOD WE TRUST" American Army annihilates Hiroshima and Nagasaki and all over and around the boming site there catholic churches lol. Come on Americans we can surely stand to look a little bit more dignified... or can we?Who in their right mind makes a logical argument, giving commentary on people who are clearly not logical. I could wipe my ass with a post like this. Life lesson: the world isn't logical. Post something "realistic" not idealistic.Atomic said, June 13, 2010, 07:43:34 pm...In current (and historic) Islamic law, da’wah precedes jihad. It is meant as a beacon to call the nonbelievers to Islam. If they refuse to accept, then jihad is initiated against them. In Islam, the purpose of both da’wah and jihad is to impose Islamic law or Sharia upon the nonbelievers as a political system, not as a religious one.So tell us oh wise one: "What exactly does Jihad mean?" because to me, your post makes you sound familiarly misinformed.Iced said, June 09, 2010, 11:09:45 amSeveral people are protesting it, claiming it to be symbolic of the dominance of islam in a place where many died for that religionThis was bothering me. I believe you mean, "because of."
This is ridiculous why would anyone consider building one there. Its practically insulting the dead and America!
TheChosenOne said, July 16, 2010, 04:56:14 amThis is ridiculous why would anyone consider building one there. Its practically insulting the dead and America! But 911 wasn't Islam attacking america. They were Islamic radicals, a few bad fucks who shouldn't be bringing down the rest of the religion. Not to say that it's perfectly okay for the mosque to be built. I think that the Islamic leaders (I guess it'd be the Islamic version of a priest who'd be in charge) probably know better than to be stepping on people's toes like this, regardless if it's right or wrong for them to build so close to ground zero, but It'd look worse on the rest of the country to flat out say "no you can't build here". How can we say that we're a just country while we judge a whole culture based on one particular group from that culture?Shundhi said, July 16, 2010, 04:47:57 amThis has got to be the silliest thing I have ever heard.ironic seeing as how your username sounds like it should Islamic.
I see your point, but doesn't it send an odd message if we build a mosque where many people died in the name of that religion.
technically, only the terrorist died in the name of that religion, but I know what you're saying.I think the message that we would be sending would seem odd, but only towards those who suffered from the attack, whether they had loved ones who died or were survivors of the attack, but if they're anger is towards the entire religion, I think they're anger is misguided. Wouldn't it sound silly to kill all bears on the planet because a bear mauled your brother? Americans are granted the right to practice whatever religion they want, where ever they want, and if we're allowed to have crazy radical Christians protest for the flat out murder of people they deem "evil" where ever they want we should let normal, presumably peaceful Muslims practice where they want.but, as much as I hate to admit it, I don't think a Mosque anywhere near ground zero would be safe for the Muslims who worship there. We had skinheads plotting to assassinate Obama before he was even elected. It'd be stupid not to think that some Numb-nutt wouldn't at least try to burn down the mosque.
I named myself after a friend.Righteously Egor said, July 16, 2010, 05:41:37 amIt'd look worse on the rest of the country to flat out say "no you can't build here". How can we say that we're a just country while we judge a whole culture based on one particular group from that culture?That is not necessarily correct and I'm sure that you know that it is not. It would "look bad." There are so many things that we as a nation do that should (do) "look bad" and nothing comes of it. With what is either knowledge of that, or purposeful eschewing of that reality, we still call our country good, just, free, etc. amidst our violations although it "looks bad." Your post does not reflect reality. Again, people at large do not operate logically and hypocrisy (much less recognition of one's own hypocrisy) is meaningless to most people. Evidently that would apply to the protestors in question, no?Righteously Egor said, July 16, 2010, 06:10:27 ambut, as much as I hate to admit it, I don't think a Mosque anywhere near ground zero would be safe for the Muslims who worship there. We had skinheads plotting to assassinate Obama before he was even elected. It'd be stupid not to think that some Numb-nutt wouldn't at least try to burn down the mosque.That is exactly why the biggest fools here are the proponents of building a mosque near ground zero. Any silly person could and more than likely would, do something to the mosque, its attendants, or people believed to be its attendants. The idea itself is just foolish, and I can't say that I would be opposed to prohibition of its creation on the grounds that allowing it would simply cause ill-will and greatly increase the likelihood of domestically-bred violence.
Shundhi said, July 16, 2010, 06:29:26 amI named myself after a friend.Righteously Egor said, July 16, 2010, 05:41:37 amIt'd look worse on the rest of the country to flat out say "no you can't build here". How can we say that we're a just country while we judge a whole culture based on one particular group from that culture?That is not necessarily correct and I'm sure that you know that it is not. It would "look bad." There are so many things that we as a nation do that should (do) "look bad" and nothing comes of it. With what is either knowledge of that, or purposeful eschewing of that reality, we still call our country good, just, free, etc. amidst our violations although it "looks bad." Your post does not reflect reality. Again, people at large do not operate logically and hypocrisy (much less recognition of one's own hypocrisy) is meaningless to most people. Evidently that would apply to the protestors in question, no?and it sucks that that's generally how things work, but I don't think that making our country the way that we claim it to be is unrealistic though. I'd just say that it's highly unprobable in our lifetime. Saying that it isn't realistic for people to realize their hypocrisy isn't necessarily right either. One needn't look further than woman's rights or civil rights movements. but like I said, a complete 180 on an issue such as this probably won't happen anytime soon.
Shundhi said, July 16, 2010, 06:29:26 amThat is exactly why the biggest fools here are the proponents of building a mosque near ground zero. Any silly person could and more than likely would, do something to the mosque, its attendants, or people believed to be its attendants. The idea itself is just foolish, and I can't say that I would be opposed to prohibition of its creation on the grounds that allowing it would simply cause ill-will and greatly increase the likelihood of domestically-bred violence.Well if they wanted to do something they'd do it, whether the mosque was there or not. this just provides another target. If people were afraid of being attacked then pretty much almost all great accomplishments wouldn't have happened.
true, but would probably be a higher chance of a mosque attack since it's right at the spot. I think that would be more angering that just a mosque in the middle of nowhere.
Righteously Egor said, July 16, 2010, 06:52:01 amand it sucks that that's generally how things work, but I don't think that making our country the way that we claim it to be is unrealistic though. I'd just say that it's highly unprobable in our lifetime. Saying that it isn't realistic for people to realize their hypocrisy isn't necessarily right either. One needn't look further than woman's rights or civil rights movements. but like I said, a complete 180 on an issue such as this probably won't happen anytime soon.Thanks for the input/clarification. I didn't say that it is unrealistic for people to realize that they are being hypocrites. I said, that their hypocrisy doesn't matter to them. Time after time many a counter activist goes out of their way to "reason" with these people, and point out the very, very obvious contradictions between what the protesting movement is preaching and the actions of the protestors/our country/the orgnizations they support, BUT all of the evidence falls on deaf ears. The protestors continue, either in full knowledge of their hypocrisy or else by purposely ignoring it. I'm saying that they have more than likely already acknowledged that they are hypocrites, but simply push that issue aside.momo! said, July 16, 2010, 06:54:27 amWell if they wanted to do something they'd do it, whether the mosque was there or not.What? momo! said, July 16, 2010, 06:54:27 amIf people were afraid of being attacked then pretty much almost all great accomplishments wouldn't have happened.Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single legitimate great accomplishment made on the part of a minority group in an area where sentiment is so heavily set against them (excuse me; sentiment on the part of the majority group that also happened to be in power). Maybe the Dome of Rock (Mosque) in Israel could provide a good example."Almost all" great accomplishments came from people living in areas that posed a great threat to them, really? Provide me with some examples... and please make sure those examples are accurate?No offense, but I think you should replace "almost all" with "some" maybe even "a few."Righteously Egor said, July 16, 2010, 07:01:01 amtrueDid you really call that, "true?" lVI'm not quite sure I caught your entire point, but I'll cut you some slack. I might be tempted to argue that there have been other mosques that have gone up around the country (and in NY I would presume) that garnered no protests and did not make news, yet this one, located so close to ground zero did(!), but upon rereading some of your former posts you actually said something similar to that already, so...
Shundhi said, July 16, 2010, 07:14:55 amRighteously Egor said, July 16, 2010, 07:01:01 amtrueDid you really call that, "true?" refering to the "if they were willing to attack a mosque they'd do it regardless of where it is" bit. Which would probably be only true in either theory or if this were Norway and Mosques were christian churches. It's late and my apartment has no air condition. cut me some slack.
I don't mind mosque next to my house as long as they turn off those goddamn loud speakers, they clearly intolerant to non muslim by playing the tape of prayers from the speakers at the top of their minorets on the loudest volume 5 times a day. not to mention the earliest being 3AM in the morning.
I do live in a predominant muslim country so what can I say... but still 3 AM in the morning, who wouldn't be disturbed, what's wrong with praying by heart. What I'm trying to say, stop thinking that they are always the victim of discrimination. in another part of the world it will not be the case at all.
Not sure what you mean. Apartheid South Africa, Slavery-clad Haiti, Slavery-Clad Brazil, etc. seem to counter that assertion.
1 man with a pistol counted as 5 men, 1 man with shotgun counted as 10 men, 1 man with mg counted as 20 men, though in the other hand 1 man with suicide bomb vest counted as all the men in certain radius+ himself
navetsea said, July 17, 2010, 03:19:59 am1 man with a pistol counted as 5 men, 1 man with shotgun counted as 10 men, 1 man with mg counted as 20 men, though in the other hand 1 man with suicide bomb vest counted as all the men in certain radius+ himselfLMAO
TheChosenOne said, July 17, 2010, 05:26:41 amnavetsea said, July 17, 2010, 03:19:59 am1 man with a pistol counted as 5 men, 1 man with shotgun counted as 10 men, 1 man with mg counted as 20 men, though in the other hand 1 man with suicide bomb vest counted as all the men in certain radius+ himselfLMAO That's not really funny.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40124.htmlSarah Palin is very critical of the mosque, then comes automated modding system on facebook that thinks her post is hatespeech and thus censor it.
Iced said, July 23, 2010, 01:17:25 pmhttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40124.htmlSarah Palin is very critical of the mosque, then comes automated modding system on facebook that thinks her post is hatespeech and thus censor it.BWAHAHAHAHAIt couldn't have happened to a better person.
OH NOES!http://wonkette.com/417009/attention-bigots-there-is-already-a-mosque-near-the-wtc-siteThis is Obama's Et for atari.
Ironically, the date for when the mosque that's already at ground 0, Obama's birthday, and the day that Lucifer got booted from heaven are all the same date.
I'm going to put a porn shop that sells exclusively German fetish porn next to a synagogue in Poland.
It's been a while.This issue should have been reported on more frankly.This mosque at ground zero, is not being built first of all, it has been there for about twenty years. The actual situation is that the owners (yes owners) are now turning it into an Islamic center (basically a recreational center) and will be expanding it.Two more details seem to have been hanging out below the radar. The people in the borough overwhelmingly came out in support of the "expansion" the mosque. Let's not forget people that Christians have been doing this sort of thing to Muslims for centuries (granted that goes censored as we try to tout how blasphemous the creation of Blue/Constantinople Mosque was). Yeah, we've all been duped. Good job American Media, you've managed to mislead and misinform the public yet again.
Real New Yorkers will just go about their daily lives anyway and not give a flying-fuck about a religious center being present. I don't. I see what's being made into a big deal, and it's not a big deal.
Shundhi said, August 04, 2010, 05:32:31 amMore context should have been elaborated on better.WHAT THE FUCK! What kind of assness did I write. I'm never posting while half-asleep again. Rajaa said, August 04, 2010, 01:14:31 pmReal New Yorkers will just go about their daily lives anyway and not give a flying-fuck about a religious center being present. I don't. I see what's being made into a big deal, and it's not a big deal.That is so true. I've been finding that whenever I go to NY, the only people that end up pissing me off of Jerseyers and Tourists. NYers are either mad chill about everything or walk right through me...
is it christians the only people who died at 9/11 aren't there any muslims buddhist or jews who work in the towers?
Rajaa said, August 04, 2010, 01:14:31 pmReal New Yorkers will just go about their daily lives anyway and not give a flying-fuck about a religious center being present. I don't. I see what's being made into a big deal, and it's not a big deal.for once (and i mean once, don't get used to it), i actually agree with you.Fuck organized religion. I'm a christian and i don't even care anymore.地狱的花 said, August 04, 2010, 07:08:05 pmis it christians the only people who died at 9/11 aren't there any muslims buddhist or jews who work in the towers?it's america dude remember? No one here cares about anyone other then themselves
Seriously Egor said, August 05, 2010, 03:16:12 ambloodriotiori said, August 04, 2010, 07:12:34 pmFuck organized religion. I'm a christian hmmm....i should rephrase. I'm an open minded christian who takes several of the values and ideas of Christianity...without all the bullshit "zomg you're going to hell if you don't believe in mah jebus and your palms are totally going to grow hair if you masturbatez!!!and just because i believe in something, doesn't mean i'm not capable of seeing all the bulllshit that goes on as a result of most people's beliefs lol.
a shorter version of what I perceive to be your religious stance, in case you have to explain later in life. Also, it'll makes you look smart and philosophical when you explain it to others.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
Shundhi said, August 04, 2010, 05:32:31 amThis mosque at ground zero, is not being built first of all, it has been there for about twenty years. The actual situation is that the owners (yes owners) are now turning it into an Islamic center (basically a recreational center) and will be expanding it.So I did some more reading on the issue and found that technically, I'm wrong.What is going to happen is that the property owners are going to demolish the mosque (or "prayer center") that was already there, then build a new Islamic Center with its own mosque. Before anyone gets up in arms again, just understand that this is standard construction practice. Would I prefer that they find a way to do a simple expansion, yes, but at the same time I do understand that that is impractical.Everyone should know that during the World Trade Center attacks, the roof of the mosque that is currently standing was itself damaged (not quite clear whether that was ever fixed; more than likely it was given that today they have the money to build a "Center"). The wierdest thing about the issue is that for Islamic Fundamentalists, demolition of a mosque is an abomination. Once a mosque is built, it is not to come down (I guess that 's why some refer to the place as a prayer center; aka completely outside my realm of understanding). Hope this sheds more light on the issue.
They bought the land? Then what the fuck is the problem? It wasn't like they took in a war or something.
Shamrock said, August 07, 2010, 03:48:58 amThey bought the land? Then what the fuck is the problem? It wasn't like they took in a war or something.Because... 9/11! Their skin is too dark! Their religion is different from mine!You know, the usual bullshit arguments.
Jmorphman said, August 07, 2010, 04:24:50 amShamrock said, August 07, 2010, 03:48:58 amThey bought the land? Then what the fuck is the problem? It wasn't like they took in a war or something.Because... 9/11! Their skin is too dark! Their religion is different from mine!You know, the usual bullshit arguments.I believe a similar argument was made by those who flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon.地狱的花 said, August 04, 2010, 07:08:05 pmis it christians the only people who died at 9/11 aren't there any muslims buddhist or jews who work in the towers?If I remember correctly, one Muslim did die in the WTC attacks.
Atomic said, August 07, 2010, 04:45:08 amJmorphman said, August 07, 2010, 04:24:50 amShamrock said, August 07, 2010, 03:48:58 amThey bought the land? Then what the fuck is the problem? It wasn't like they took in a war or something.Because... 9/11! Their skin is too dark! Their religion is different from mine!You know, the usual bullshit arguments.I believe a similar argument was made by those who flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon.Should those people strive to be more like those that flew planes into the WTC?
Atomic said, August 07, 2010, 04:45:08 amJmorphman said, August 07, 2010, 04:24:50 amShamrock said, August 07, 2010, 03:48:58 amThey bought the land? Then what the fuck is the problem? It wasn't like they took in a war or something.Because... 9/11! Their skin is too dark! Their religion is different from mine!You know, the usual bullshit arguments.I believe a similar argument was made by those who flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon.地狱的花 said, August 04, 2010, 07:08:05 pmis it christians the only people who died at 9/11 aren't there any muslims buddhist or jews who work in the towers?If I remember correctly, one Muslim did die in the WTC attacks.wow so all those people who work inside those two towers only one muslim. bull shit
Iced said, August 07, 2010, 04:48:15 amAtomic said, August 07, 2010, 04:45:08 amJmorphman said, August 07, 2010, 04:24:50 amShamrock said, August 07, 2010, 03:48:58 amThey bought the land? Then what the fuck is the problem? It wasn't like they took in a war or something.Because... 9/11! Their skin is too dark! Their religion is different from mine!You know, the usual bullshit arguments.I believe a similar argument was made by those who flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon.Should those people strive to be more like those that flew planes into the WTC? Certainly not, but I don't know who made that implication.
地狱的花 said, August 07, 2010, 04:51:31 am地狱的花 said, August 04, 2010, 07:08:05 pmis it christians the only people who died at 9/11 aren't there any muslims buddhist or jews who work in the towers?If I remember correctly, one Muslim did die in the WTC attacks.wow so all those people who work inside those two towers only one muslim. bull shitQFTI'm pretty sure Atomic is a troll.
Shundhi said, August 07, 2010, 04:57:18 amI'm pretty sure Atomic is a troll.I'm pretty sure you need to keep my name out of your mouth.
the one who attacked the towers are TERRORISTS so burn TERRORISTS not the Koran stupid mother fuc*ing idiots.
地狱的花 said, August 07, 2010, 05:15:16 amthe one who attacked the towers are TERRORISTS so burn TERRORISTS not the Koran stupid mother fuc*ing idiots.bumper sticker waiting to happen.
Racist pricks like these need to shut the fuck up and get on with their damn lives rather than trying to "fix" their country.
roundup:The daily show about building playgrounds near catholic churcheshttp://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-16-2010/mosque-eradeGOP strategists call President Obama's comments about freedom of religion for Muslims "probably the dumbest thing that any president has said"http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/15/ftn/main6774692.shtmlwhere there are mosques, there are Muslims, and where there are Muslims, there are problems.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/new_yorkistan_don_rule_it_out_bc8AbFztnOFKtaFWMTyohL#ixzz0wwfFN8TnGround Zero Mosque is actually just an office building containing a gym, a mosque, and a 9/11 memorial. Why do 9/11 memorials hate America?http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2010/08/16/the-ground-zero-mosque-is-not-a-mosque-or-at-ground-zeroislam is against everything america stands forhttp://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/panama-32000-america-stands.htmlnot to mention there are closer mosques, that have been open for longer.
I'm not really in support for this all that much, we are talking about people that lost their families, friends, and children in that attack and it would take decades to recover. They know that it's going to make a lot of people uncomfortable in the first place, they know it's going to cause controversy. Why would they pursue it so much? It's like building a statue of you're child's rapist on their grave, you just don't do it. It is insensitive and disrespectful for people that work or lived near. Of course it's not a big deal to you but it is for ones who witnessed it first hand.The only reason why it's being supported NOW is because I think they're going to patch and bug the hell out of that place. Isn't their an extremest Muslim group that sent threats to South Park executives?I don't see things going well anytime soon when it's built.
LostTruth64 said, August 19, 2010, 05:45:18 amI'm not really in support for this all that much, we are talking about people that lost their families, friends, and children in that attack and it would take decades to recover. They know that it's going to make a lot of people uncomfortable in the first place, they know it's going to cause controversy. Why would they pursue it so much? It's like building a statue of you're child's rapist on their grave, you just don't do it. It is insensitive and disrespectful for people that work or lived near. Of course it's not a big deal to you but it is for ones who witnessed it first hand.The only reason why it's being supported NOW is because I think they're going to patch and bug the hell out of that place. Isn't their an extremest Muslim group that sent threats to South Park executives?I don't see things going well anytime soon when it's built.Muslims died during 911 too. It's not like the entire religion attacked us, just the extremists. There's no reason to be hostile towards the entire religion. No good reason anyway. And it shouldn't cause controversy for that reason, they (the group trying to build) didn't do anything nor were they associated with the group behind 911. Not to mention the Muslim group trying to build there OWNS the property, so it'd be extremely bad on Everyone else's part if we told someone what to do with their property.
on the other part of the world, people are not allowed to build a church on their own land using their own money too, while they shove a bucket to your face asking donation for yet another new mosque or something. So world is pretty fair.
LostTruth64 said, August 19, 2010, 05:45:18 amIsn't their an extremest Muslim group that sent threats to South Park executives?yes, if a couple of retards on a blog are to be considered an Muslim group.
navetsea said, August 20, 2010, 02:18:32 amon the other part of the world, people are not allowed to build a church on their own land using their own money too, while they shove a bucket to your face asking donation for yet another new mosque or something. So world is pretty fair.so you saying that new yorkers should be assholes too ? oh wait...
http://www.fark.com/cgi/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=5569975Video of protesters attacking a "supposed" muslin because he is black.Bonus, one of them screams afterwards "THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE US LOOK RACIST" this mail has been making the rounds on republican foruns, apparently.Quote"Islamophobia" is as old as Islam itself. The Muslim was a liar, an insurgent, an exploiter, a troublemaker, a poisoner of the blood and a terrorist from the beginning. The non-Islamic peoples thus responded to this people of criminals throughout history with contempt and rejection.Over the centuries, repeated attempts were made to eliminate the Islamic danger. Under the assumption that the Islamic question was a religious matter, African nationas attempted to render Muslims harmless by forcing them to be baptized. It did not take long for people to realize that this was an entirely false solution. The conversion of Muslims to Christianity was only on the surface. The Muslims became "Christian" only to carry on as Muslims.Another way to solve the Islamic question was for the numerically superior non-Islamic population to absorb the Islamic minority. People believed that close contact between the Muslims and the host peoples would, through equality, intermarriage and the mixing of blood, gradually "water down" the Islamic race and lead to its disappearance. The results of this mistake were catastrophic. The Islamic race was not "watered down"and rendered harmless, but rather the opposite: the blood of the non-Islamic peoples was poisoned in a grave way.Experience showed non-Islamic peoples that incorporating the foreign Islamic element into their community not only did no good, but caused positive harm. Gradually people realized that there was only one effective method of dealing with Islam: consistent separation from their own racial body.Even during the Middle Ages numerous governments required Muslims to distinguish themselves from their non-Islamic host peoples by wearing special clothing such as pointed Islamic hats, yellow symbols, rings, etc. As well-intentioned as these measures were, they had only limited success. Sometimes the Muslims wore these symbols with pride. They were pleased that the "stupid whites" themselves saw to it that only the "people of Allah" wore such outward symbols. But other Muslims whose business interests were not advanced by making the fact that they were Muslims plain continued to go about the country as "non-Muslims."Another way of separating the Muslims from the non-Islamic peoples was to force them to live in certain areas.But this method also failed to achieve its goal. Some Muslims welcomed the creation of the ghetto. Once again they had their "community abroad!" In the ghetto, Islam's secret plans were forged! In the ghetto the Muslims had their "staff." Those Muslims who carried on their mischief among the non-Muslims received their commands from the ghetto. The Islamic danger was greater than ever before.Realizing that separating the Muslims into their own quarter was not sufficient led various peoples to go still further. They expelled the Muslims from their countries. This for the first time aroused the Muslims. Now they saw a real danger! Now they had to act before it was too late!Islam is thousands of years old. Thanks to its devilish cleverness, it has often found a way out of nearly hopeless situations. Here too! The Muslims let themselves be expelled without much fuss. They gathered on the other side of the border and waited and waited and waited. They waited for years and decades. They waited for the moment in which the knowledge of the Islamic danger gradually disappeared from people's minds. Then the Muslims came back. Then they laid waste to the land more terribly than before.Today the Western World is ready to solve the Islamic question once and for all. It is thus good to learn from past mistakes and remember what history teaches. And what does history teach us? It teaches:The Islamic question is not only an American matter!It is also not only an American problem! The Islamic question is a world question! Just as North America is not safe from the Muslims as long as even one Muslim remains in North America, so The Western World cannot solve the Islamic question as long as Muslims live in the rest of the world.Islam is organized world criminality. The Islamic danger will be eliminated only when Islam throughout the world has ceased to exist.Do you agree?
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/26/next-media-animation.htmlkorean video about the whole thing, I still would like to know thoughts about that email being spread around on my last post =p
Hm, I disagree. Islam is a religion, and therefore needs not to be a "race" as well as ambiguate and further discriminate other races and ethnic groups.Other than that, true. It's human nature to either overcome the adversity or simply do not comply to it if there's no enforcing the standard, case in point: this community.It's also human nature to, when feel like they are being oppressed, either live with it, knowing that there's a group of people that support them or fight to gain what they feel is a right: to walk with the same respect as any other human being.If anything, that email is stating that Islam is evil and all who supports it is evil and needs to leave, at what extent. It wasn't on the quote, but it clearly said that everything was tried to suppress or remove it except one. It disgusts me to believe that one would be so carnally hating. I say carnal because it's animal instinct to be afraid of the unknown, it's animal instinct to react to the unknown, and it's human nature to hate what they cannot understand.
