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Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#1  January 04, 2012, 02:50:16 am
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#2  January 04, 2012, 02:54:15 am
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This is great! It's good to see the justice system doing something right for once!

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I agree, I think self defense was in order there. What's concerning though is the fact that a 15 year old child had a weapon on him to begin with.

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#4  January 04, 2012, 02:57:57 am
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If you go around punching people you cant really complain if they shoot or stab you.

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#5  January 04, 2012, 02:59:33 am
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#6  January 04, 2012, 03:00:44 am
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True, yeah. The school should be ashamed of themselves to let bullying go without consequence. I mean, for it to escalate to the point of stabbing there has to have been issues of it in the past. There's had to be situations at school or even near his bus stop where a witness caught it (a student, bus driver, someone outside, teacher, etc) You'd figure someone would step up and contact some sort of authority to prevent situations from escalating to that point.

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#8  January 04, 2012, 03:04:06 am
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This is all the schools fault.

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#9  January 04, 2012, 03:07:32 am
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Something's fishy here. The article says that the guy was at a bus stop and was punched in the back of the head (ambushed, I'll suppose), but then...

why the fuck was he carrying a knife (or any lethal stabbing object) to the bus stop? Was this a planned fight?

If that's the case, this isn't self defense. Bringing a weapon to a fight with plans of using it is deliberate murdering. Also, he stabbed the other guy 15 times. 15 times. You don't stab anything 15 times to stop it, you do it to enjoy killing it.

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#10  January 04, 2012, 03:09:03 am
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Or you stab him 15 times because you're in a blind rage and in the heat of the moment you don't think "oh fuck I'm gonna kill this guy I should really stop."

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#11  January 04, 2012, 03:28:55 am
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Cyan Paul said, January 04, 2012, 03:07:32 am
Something's fishy here. The article says that the guy was at a bus stop and was punched in the back of the head (ambushed, I'll suppose), but then...

why the fuck was he carrying a knife (or any lethal stabbing object) to the bus stop? Was this a planned fight?

If that's the case, this isn't self defense. Bringing a weapon to a fight with plans of using it is deliberate murdering. Also, he stabbed the other guy 15 times. 15 times. You don't stab anything 15 times to stop it, you do it to enjoy killing it.

He was probably picked on often and started carrying a knife. If you are mugged often and start carrying a gun you are not planning to kill them, you are planning to defend yourself.


And yeah, blind rage you dont just stab someone once and stop, thats too calculated.

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#12  January 04, 2012, 04:34:17 am
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Couldn't this ruling have come about... 10 years ago?

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#13  January 04, 2012, 06:24:56 am
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Iced said, January 04, 2012, 03:28:55 am
He was probably picked on often and started carrying a knife. If you are mugged often and start carrying a gun you are not planning to kill them, you are planning to defend yourself.


And yeah, blind rage you dont just stab someone once and stop, thats too calculated.

You don't stab once, but don't try to turn the other guy into...those wooden/plastic blocks in which people put knives. Dunno if they have a proper name.

The thing is that stabbing someone 15 times sounds like shooting him until he falls and then keep shooting until running out of ammo. It's an overkill, closer to psychotic malice than self defense.

Now, the 'bully' probably deserved to die. However I don't think Saavaedra should go completely unpunished because the must be something wrong with him.
Last Edit: January 04, 2012, 06:28:04 am by Cyan Paul

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#14  January 04, 2012, 06:35:24 am
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No, it's not. Stabbing someone in the heat of passion over and over again is completely normal when you have an undying resentment towards them.

Carrying a knife for self defense is not 1st degree murder because the intention is to defend oneself, not kill someone who hasn't violently assaulted you (maybe for a long time in the past). Would someone have gotten stabbed if someone hadn't gotten bullied? Arguably not. At the very least, it's heat of passion manslaughter, if that. One could argue that's it's unreasonable lethal force, but my point still stands, legally, at least.

Bringing a case like this would be easy for a defense attorney, as if a bully bullied one person, then they probably bullied others. Witness testimony would definitely affect a jury, especially if one of them could relate to being bullied.
Last Edit: January 04, 2012, 06:40:19 am by Mr. Rajaa

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Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 04:34:17 am
Couldn't this ruling have come about... 10 years ago?
No bro...


True that 14 times was too much, the act of constant bullying might cause such brutality, although not sure if the case here was a one time deal or several occasions. As Cyan says, if he was ambushed then why have a knife? My guess is either he had it always in case for an event like this or he brought it to end the bullying he took, can't be too sure sadly. :-\

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The thing is that stabbing someone 15 times sounds like shooting him until he falls and then keep shooting until running out of ammo. It's an overkill, closer to psychotic malice than self defense.
Self-defense doesn't mean stopping when they're down... it means stopping when you feel they are no longer a threat.

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#17  January 04, 2012, 06:47:36 am
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And it doesn't make someone psychotic. That's bullshit. :P

The self-defense defense is quite rare in its effectiveness (just like the insanity defense) without hard evidence to rebut anything that tries to discredit it. Reoccurring bullying, however, makes it a whole lot easier defense to prove (even though it doesn't have to be proved, but instead disproved).

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#18  January 04, 2012, 07:39:51 am
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And who seriously is going to say "You should respond with equiparable force", if he is being bullied to begin with , the bully is bound to be stronger than he is , not weaker.
Requiring the victim of a violent attack to rely upon limited means of defence, which are probably not avaliable to them due to their limited physical powers, while defending against unprovoked aggressors is unreasonable.
You dont get to attempt to rob someone in the street at knife point and call not fair if they pull out a gun.



This case seems to not even have gone to court, and while the story is not all there, he was being bullied by the guy and his friends, the judge wouldnt just give carte blanche to anyone to stab someone else and claim it was a bully.


The parents however are doing the same old "he was such a good boy", its amazing how you never see them going "yeah he was kindof a dick"

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#19  January 04, 2012, 10:44:19 am
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I'd buy the "blind rage" thing for five or so stabs, enough to let loose that primal instinct to harm your attacker in a meaningful way.  But when you move from five to fourteen, it just seems... excessive.  Like you'd think a somewhat rational human being, somewhere between stab four and six, would realize that their assailant was probably pretty damn hurt by now and not likely to keep swinging once good shove was applied.  For my money, the fight was expected and the kid in question had the knife for the express purpose of bringing a better weapon to the fight then his attacker.

Nice to know, though, that if my hypothetical son or daughter takes karate classes, I can tell him/her that if a bully every hits you, take his ass down.

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#20  January 04, 2012, 03:48:28 pm
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Wow... I just read the article. It's a lose-lose situation for everybody.

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#21  January 04, 2012, 09:34:14 pm
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This kid had a weapon on school grounds. Not good. I'm glad he defended himself, but he should've gotten in trouble for that.
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It is not a weapon. It is a tool that becomes a weapon depending on the person who wields it.

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#23  January 04, 2012, 09:41:13 pm
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After re-reading the article I'm convinced Dylan Nuno really deserved to die. Not only was a shitty person but also very fucking stupid, he kept pushing the fight after Saavedra announced he had a knife and no intention of fighting. Good riddance.

I still think there's something wrong with Jorge Saavedra.

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#24  January 04, 2012, 09:43:20 pm
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Belial said, August 18, 2011, 02:30:08 am
This thread is producing a shitload of bad grammar, at this rate it'll be a disease.

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#25  January 04, 2012, 10:00:09 pm
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Cyan Paul said, January 04, 2012, 03:07:32 am
Was this a planned fight?
It was planned (by the aggressor), but several bus stops further away, and the kid with the knife specifically got off early to avoid the fight.
The way I read it, the situation was the following : the bully with a bunch of friends in the bus kept telling the other kid that they'd beat the shit out of him at so-and-so bus stop (when the article says "several teens announced the fight on the bus", you know that's really a whole band of bullies almost chanting to the guy "the lot of us will beat you to death when we get off the bus" and "you're going to die"). The knife kid shows he has a knife. He gets off early to separate from the bullies. The bully gets off to follow and attacks him from behind.
You think the 12 stabs (not 15 or 14 according to that article) aren't explained just by that alone ? When you're being bullied for a while, and you're on the bus, with a bunch of assholes around you chanting "we'll beat you to death at that bus stop" ? I don't think you need to add that the kid was a psycho to stab the other guy 12 times.
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#27  January 04, 2012, 11:13:07 pm
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There are categories of weapons though. ... And fuck if I can find a list of these on Google without getting thousands of pages on Final Fantasy and TVTropes (aside from the one from '97 - I'm sure I remember things like katanas being reclassified as more than way down the list)
I know very well that fists can kill, but the law works with itself, if the school rule says no weapon, it's talking about firearms and knives, not scissors sharp enough to gouge eyes.
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Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 10:48:47 pm
Mothman said, January 04, 2012, 09:43:20 pm
Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 09:39:37 pm
It is not a weapon. It is a tool that becomes a weapon depending on the person who wields it.
But it's still school policy.
A dumb one. Usually it states "no weapons," but come the fuck on, even a pencil is a weapon in the hands of a certain person. Hell, your FISTS are weapons if you decide to use them that way, too!
True and all but I think the fact that a knife is a weapon that EVERYONE can use makes it different than fists which only some people know how to make deadly, sure some kids can throw some punches but can't guarantee damage since the kid can be weak. I suppose a weapon gives the weak the power to hurt or kill.

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yeah, that's why portugeese lazy drunk sailors were able to defeat the invicible samurai with ease. a school should not allow weapons, unless you have a special permit.

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   I'll tell you this; this isn't my way to stand up to a bully, but he's not wrong to stab the guy however many times. When you HATE someone, you aren't just gonna stab them once, you are going to fuck them up. Period. Now, I believe in the old bread n' butter, you get bullied you go to the gym and learn to fight but nothing's wrong with Jorge's way as long as he gets away with it.

Jexsam said, January 04, 2012, 10:44:19 am
Nice to know, though, that if my hypothetical son or daughter takes karate classes, I can tell him/her that if a bully every hits you, take his ass down.

   Honestly Karate classes aren't all that effective. Karate is more like a hobby (And I mean karate, not mixed martial arts. Which is still considered "dishonorable fighting" in everyday life.), it can't stop bullying like people think it can. If your serious about physical self-defense you want boxing. It's a honorable way to handle your problems (Bully-related problems anyway) and a student will win the respect of many if they just take care of their problems like a man. Of course if you have a daughter well that varies. I doubt you could get just any girl to take any self-defense courses in the first place.

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teach them boxing instead, more effective wow he beat me to it

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Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 06:38:01 am
Self-defense doesn't mean stopping when they're down... it means stopping when you feel they are no longer a threat.
That sure worked well for Ender Wiggin, didn't it?

Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 10:48:47 pm
A dumb one. Usually it states "no weapons," but come the fuck on, even a pencil is a weapon in the hands of a certain person. Hell, your FISTS are weapons if you decide to use them that way, too!
Are you fucking serious.

Cazaki said, January 04, 2012, 11:35:06 pm
Now, I believe in the old bread n' butter, you get bullied you go to the gym and learn to fight but nothing's wrong with Jorge's way as long as he gets away with it.
Are you seriously suggesting that we should be telling kids "hey, if you're bullied, just stab the bully!!! it'll be fine as long as you can get away with it!!!"?

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Brakmorphman's Dad said, January 04, 2012, 11:39:54 pm
Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 06:38:01 am
Self-defense doesn't mean stopping when they're down... it means stopping when you feel they are no longer a threat.
That sure worked well for Ender Wiggin, didn't it?
never heard of him

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Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 10:48:47 pm
A dumb one. Usually it states "no weapons," but come the fuck on, even a pencil is a weapon in the hands of a certain person. Hell, your FISTS are weapons if you decide to use them that way, too!
Are you fucking serious.
it's always one kid who screws it up for the rest of the class. only in this case, replace kid with, "crazy guy who decided to use said tool as a weapon"

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Cazaki said, January 04, 2012, 11:35:06 pm
Now, I believe in the old bread n' butter, you get bullied you go to the gym and learn to fight but nothing's wrong with Jorge's way as long as he gets away with it.
Are you seriously suggesting that we should be telling kids "hey, if you're bullied, just stab the bully!!! it'll be fine as long as you can get away with it!!!"?
did you even read his post. it mentions nothing about using any weapons, and the "old bread n' butter" would mean YOUR FISTS

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Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 11:43:25 pm
never heard of him
He's the protagonist of Ender's Game. He was in two similar situations; in fact, he said pretty much the same thing you did about making sure they are no longer a threat. Here's the quick version: Ender is bullied constantly by both bullies (one at the start of the novel, one near the end) and eventually gets into a confrontation with each bully. His inner monologue states how he wants to make sure they will not bother him again, that he needs to show them not to mess with him ever again. He winds up savagely beating both of them.
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Keep in mind he is 6 at the time of the first bullying and... I dunno, 8 or 10 by the second.

Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 11:43:25 pm
it's always one kid who screws it up for the rest of the class. only in this case, replace kid with, "crazy guy who decided to use said tool as a weapon"
There's a pretty big fucking difference between a pencil and knife, but Byakko and Oxe already covered that.

Jesuszilla said, January 04, 2012, 11:43:25 pm
did you even read his post. it mentions nothing about using any weapons, and the "old bread n' butter" would mean YOUR FISTS
Did you? Read it again; it separates the "old bread n' butter" method from the stabbing.
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Either way the way I would tell "our kids" to handle bullies is with their fists, go to the gym and eventually give them an ass whooping of a lifetime, after all, violence IS the only true way to deal with a bully (Unless someone moves, bully or bullied either one.). However stabbing them to death...it's justified. I feel like if you don't have any threat of endangering your future by doing so, and you just get away with it, why the hell not? I'm not going to tell you that you were wrong for it.

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#39  January 05, 2012, 12:17:10 am
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Hey Jmorphman, have you been IN highschool?
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I'm fucking serious.

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You could always go to your teachers and the likes, and get your ass kicked because of being a pussy.
OR! You could tell your parents, and actually be a pussy. Chances of being publically smited increase too.
OR! You could try to use your words, 50-50 chance of getting your ass kicked anyway.
OR! You could fight back and feel good about yourself. Try not to stab the guy to death though.
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But you said high school was awesome for you. Also, there's several kids that are bullied constantly, it isn't a one time thing that can be shrugged off after one confrontation. How can we be sure what those kids are going through? Stress can get to you very badly sometimes.

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#46  January 05, 2012, 12:36:08 am
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I got bullied every now and then, not constantly, and it was a great deal of stress.

Being a Bullied teenager in a period where your self image and self steem is developing is something that might mess you up for life, make you a non-functional social individual if you let it happen. Not everybody is as strong to get over it easily, or even at all.
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I said violence, stabbing is just one form of violence.

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GLB said, January 05, 2012, 12:30:56 am
But you said high school was awesome for you. Also, there's several kids that are bullied constantly, it isn't a one time thing that can be shrugged off after one confrontation. How can we be sure what those kids are going through? Stress can get to you very badly sometimes.
I got bullied all through Middle School, I seriously wanted to kill like a handful of people... brutally....

But now in High School I stopped giving a shit.

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junior high was so full of fights that is very hard to say someone speficifically got bullied; in high school we were too busy trying to get drunk/into the chicks' panties to give bullying any importance, sure, some guys would get "bullied" was that would never last more than a few weeks because it either evolved to a fight (mostly junior high) or people stuopped giving a fuck (mostly high school).

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Brakmorphman's Dad said, January 05, 2012, 12:28:08 am
Do I seriously have to list ways to deal with bullying that do not involve stabbing them?

walt said, January 05, 2012, 12:30:01 am
You could always go to your teachers and the likes, and get your ass kicked because of being a pussy.
OR! You could tell your parents, and actually be a pussy. Chances of being publically smited increase too.
OR! You could try to use your words, 50-50 chance of getting your ass kicked anyway.
OR! You could fight back and feel good about yourself. Try not to stab the guy to death though.


5 dollars say you'd pick the first or second option. From what I have seen the third is bullshit and never works, unless you're really pathetic and the bully isn't so bad. The fourth one worked the counted times I had to pick.

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Bullying is a really common thing at black schools (middle and high) and the only way to respond is violence. Period. Any other way is social suicide, and I assume its the same everywhere else.

I was being bullied myself in my later middle school years and after some months of preparation (Working out with my father at his gym) I eventually approached him, fought him and won. Now I haven't had any issues with anyone since.

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#52  January 05, 2012, 02:53:45 am
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May as well add my two cents on this. There was only one bully at my school, or rather, only one kid who specifically tried to beat others up / steal money from other kids / generally be a thug. While I'm not about to name any names, this was not a smart kid.

The first time he tried to pick a fight with me was in first grade. I had a habit of reading whichever book I was reading at the time while leaning against the outside walls. The "fight" ended with him having a rather bloodied face and a concussion, and myself unharmed. All I had done was step to the side to avoid his attempt at tackling me. Any attempt he made at fighting me then on basically followed the same deal. It took until puberty hit for him to stop trying to fight me by tackling me against the walls. Even then, he tried it one last time freshman year of high school. He eventually realized how stupid it made him look.

... I'm not gonna name names. He did eventually learn, and you know what? the whole thing makes me sound like more of an ass than I usually am. Oh well.

That said, while violence works, intelligent application of violence is much better than an "honorable" fight if the victim is notably smaller. I was a really lucky kid, holy shit.
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#53  January 05, 2012, 06:46:19 am
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walt said, January 05, 2012, 12:30:01 am
You could always go to your teachers and the likes, and get your ass kicked because of being a pussy.
OR! You could tell your parents, and actually be a pussy. Chances of being publically smited increase too.
OR! You could try to use your words, 50-50 chance of getting your ass kicked anyway.
OR! You could fight back and feel good about yourself. Try not to stab the guy to death though.

Is calling the police not an option?
Whether they're reliable or not in where a person is ... that may vary....
Or do you guys just believe its more satisfying to solve through violence?

It sounds like you guys had a rough school experience.
Though I have experienced verbal abuse, I've never had any physical bullying problems like this, nor have I witnessed any.
The only time I have heard of such an extent of bullying is through news stories.
Am I just lucky? Or is the generation you guys are from more violent?


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“demonstrated that, with or without a knife, (he) had no desire to fight with Dylan Nuno.”

Yet he proceeded to stab him 12 times...
It defense it might have been, but I doubt that many stabs was necessary to make that person no longer a threat.
I have no knowledge as to how much damage a pocket knife deals to a person that is stabbed by it, but I would guess the guy would have probably been already dead by 7 or so stabs. (A random guess based on absolutely no knowledge at all.)

Some parts of this article just doesn't feel fully....... correct?
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#54  January 05, 2012, 07:06:37 am
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Again, stabbing once isn't going to do much of a job, unless you KNOW what you're aiming for, and either way, that will come across as premeditated.

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#55  January 05, 2012, 10:01:44 am
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Yet he proceeded to stab him 12 times...
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HAHAHA. Seriously ? Call the police for bullying ? Like there's anything they can or will do ? What should they do, put you in protective custody ? Give you bodyguards ?
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#56  January 05, 2012, 10:29:04 am
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Violence is not the only option but anyone that ever been in any situation of violence like this knows its a justifiable options.

Like walt said,  you can talk to the kid parents, you can talk to your parents, but in the end the problem is still going to be there and there is always the chance the kid parents are the type to pick up fights, the kids werent bred bullies accidentaly.

Kid had the fight announced to him, they chanted about it, he tried to avoid it, they still went after him, if he stabbed someone to death with those circunstances the other kid had it coming.

you believe in miracles and god signs and all that stuff, think of it as god telling him several times it wasnt a good idea to go bully the kid and he ignoring all the signs.
Also a sign to the parents to stop breeding little pieces of shit.

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I used to get bullied a lot. When i got to highschool two guys on my class tried to start shit all the time, so i started doing it back. Randomly punched them in the back, hid the other once backbag and rugby tackled him once. Never had shit from them again.

But stabbing? Sheez.

Yeah, that works.

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vgmaster2.0 said, January 05, 2012, 06:46:19 am
do you guys just believe its more satisfying to solve through violence?
beating up one of the two guys who used to pick on me in the highschool was satisfying, like a way to get rid of stress they caused.....but that's just me.
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Byakko said, January 05, 2012, 10:01:44 am
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Is calling the police not an option?
HAHAHA. Seriously ? Call the police for bullying ? Like there's anything they can or will do ? What should they do, put you in protective custody ? Give you bodyguards ?

Was simply throwing out a thought I had on the top of my head after reading through the thread. I was serious though.

But still, depending on the seriousness of the bullying, wouldn't it be possible to call in the police to, not act as protection, but to take legal action against the bully?
Or are they really not useful at all?
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Well if you get actually beaten up it's punishable by law, yes, of course if it reaches a point of serious physical injuries that's not even in the realm of bullying anymore, it's plain and simple aggravated assault. But actual "bullying" (as opposed to actual aggravated physical assault) is easily just on the limit of what would fall in that case or get ignored ; even if, over the course of a scholar year, it gets really stressful and adds up to the same as a serious assault. If it's not a straight-up assault, there's not much the police can do. It's not a given the police has the time to look into every one of these cases, or that they actually get enough to charge them.
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#64  January 06, 2012, 01:23:58 am
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If he hits you, hit him back, show some testicular fortitude and they leave you alone. I've had enough of the 'call police get your parents' routine, it wont work, show you're a man.  :sugoi:

Of course, not as far as ruthlessly stabbing your bully many times thats just homicidal psycopath behavior.

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Byakko said, January 06, 2012, 01:14:16 am
Well if you get actually beaten up it's punishable by law, yes, of course if it reaches a point of serious physical injuries that's not even in the realm of bullying anymore, it's plain and simple aggravated assault. But actual "bullying" (as opposed to actual aggravated physical assault) is easily just on the limit of what would fall in that case or get ignored ; even if, over the course of a scholar year, it gets really stressful and adds up to the same as a serious assault. If it's not a straight-up assault, there's not much the police can do. It's not a given the police has the time to look into every one of these cases, or that they actually get enough to charge them.

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#66  January 06, 2012, 01:36:21 am
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#67  January 06, 2012, 03:37:14 am
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I just don't want this to start a fad to where it's cool to stab bullies. This case is an exception based on the severity but I don't want to see a string of homicides in high schools for this. It'd probably be bad publicity.

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Cyan Paul said, January 04, 2012, 09:41:13 pm
After re-reading the article I'm convinced Dylan Nuno really deserved to die.

That sounds too extreme, sarcastic or not.

walt said, January 05, 2012, 12:36:08 am
Being a Bullied teenager in a period where your self image and self steem is developing is something that might mess you up for life, make you a non-functional social individual if you let it happen. Not everybody is as strong to get over it easily, or even at all.

Ignore them, is the best. They just want to be a bunch of attention whores to feel better than you. Or if you practice any kind of martial arts...  :eaugh:
Anyways, I would like to see the teacher's face when a kid says "Excuse me, teacher. Can I go to the bathroom to sharpen my knife? Just in case."

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#69  January 06, 2012, 04:53:02 am
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Uh no. You cant ignore a true bully. You'd get your face bashed in, robbed, whatever. Some of you dont seem to understand how serious a bully situation can be. There isn't any outside help that can remedy the situation. Higher authority would just make it worse, and some teachers might even laugh at you if you seek help from them. I just think a weapon is just cutting corners.

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So bad are the bullies over there? You make it seem like a death sentence. :P
Or maybe we haven't true bullies...
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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#72  January 11, 2012, 05:47:56 am
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I'm not going to engage in this thread about the bullshit topic of bullying.  Obviously there a bunch of biased krellbornes who have been bullied themselves supporting this, and I'm not even going to acknowledge their points.

Now, if the kid stabbed the guy once, or hell, 5 times, I'd've said that I was with him on this.  This is actually murder.  Fuck that.  He didn't die from that one blow to the back of the head, and with an obvious advantage in such a fight, the least amount of stabs to end the fight was necessary.  If the guy had died from that, that would still be acceptable.  But this little fucker stabbed him 18 fucking times.  18.  The only way he could've done that is if he was on top of the guy or holding him, which is actually overaggressive with a deadly weapon.

Kid or no kid, bullied or not bullied, this ruling is bullshit, and that judge needs to be stabbed 18 times by the dead asshole's parents.
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Please, just let the ban quietly pass and whatever you do, I beg you, DO NOT CHEER. Do not celebrate that you've won about the fact that I'm banned forever. Let it slide, PLEASE DO NOT CHEER. Don't cause me to shitpost again. I didn't even recall making a shitty post before I got perma'd. I hated this forum anyway. It doesn't even feel I'm taking part in a MUGEN forum.

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I'm banned forever.

Please, just let the ban quietly pass and whatever you do, I beg you, DO NOT CHEER. Do not celebrate that you've won about the fact that I'm banned forever. Let it slide, PLEASE DO NOT CHEER. Don't cause me to shitpost again. I didn't even recall making a shitty post before I got perma'd. I hated this forum anyway. It doesn't even feel I'm taking part in a MUGEN forum.

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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#78  January 11, 2012, 10:04:13 am
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with an obvious advantage in such a fight
Uh RIGHT. A knife is SUCH AN ADVANTAGE when you have in front of you a car full of assholes who keep telling you "we're going to beat you up, you're going to die".
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this little fucker stabbed him 18 fucking times.  18.
Are we all talking about the same article here ? From the beginning of this thread, some have said 15, some 14, you 18. The article linked to in the original post says 12. Not 18. 12.
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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#79  January 12, 2012, 03:32:34 pm
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Picking a fight with me in another thread?  Heh.  I don't expect much brilliance on your part anyway, you, the same guy who read my "if religion is a problem then so are other inanimate objects and concepts" as a mere attempt to throw the spotlight onto something else in another thread.  Let's see how easily I deal with you in this one....

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Uh RIGHT. A knife is SUCH AN ADVANTAGE when you have in front of you a car full of assholes who keep telling you "we're going to beat you up, you're going to die".

Except we're talking about a case of a highschool student on a BUS fighting ONE guy.

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this little fucker stabbed him 18 fucking times.  18.
Are we all talking about the same article here ? From the beginning of this thread, some have said 15, some 14, you 18. The article linked to in the original post says 12. Not 18. 12.

Oh I'm sorry, 6 less stabs at the bare minimum, you're right.  That's absolutely less violent.  Even with a small mistake on my end, was my point very much affected?  Really Byakko?
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Except we're talking about a case of a highschool student on a BUS fighting ONE guy.
No, not really, if you had bothered to read the topic you would get it. If you knew how to read between the lines on the article, you would get it. If you knew this kind of situation, you would get it. You have so many opportunities to get it, and you miss them all. All in all if you had any idea what the fuck you're talking about, you would get it.
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Oh I'm sorry, 6 less stabs at the bare minimum, you're right.  That's absolutely less violent.  Even with a small mistake on my end, was my point very much affected?  Really Byakko?
That was nothing more than a side remark but you just have to take it as a violent outburst and make an argument out of it since it's you.
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It states outright in the article that he was attacked by THREE people. Nice reading comprehension there. Can't wait to see how "easily" you deal with that.

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#87  January 16, 2012, 10:48:11 pm
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Okay, you got me, I failed to see a single phrase at the beginning of the paragraph where it's stated that Nuno punched him in the back of the head.  I overlooked the particular phrase "accompanied by several students", since it was the only utterance of there (MAYBE???) being multiple attackers.  Prior to posting, I only read the article once, skimming for important details.  The second time was after he stated it was only 12 stabs, in which I simply cntrl+f for 18 and found I was wrong.  The third time being now which I thoroughly reread it, noticing the one phrase I failed to see.  It's a simple mistake, being they only even mentioned there being others accompanying Nuno ONCE, and never brought it up again throughout the rest of the article.  I did not read the rest of this topic yes, so if there were other articles, FUCK THEM, I don't care.  Put the full story in the first post.  This is a news thread, so typically, there's going to be mostly reactions to what happened, and I saved myself the trouble of reading through them, saw the word "bullying" being brought up a few times, and got pissed, so I posted.

Even with my small mistake, Byakko winning this?  Yeah right, that's so questionable.  Not once is it stated (in this article) that the other accompanying students attacked Jorge, and if they did,

- it's not stated that they were charged with anything
- they most likely would've overpowered a kid with a small pocket knife (size isn't necessarily mentioned, again, in this article)
- what were they doing while big bro was getting shanked?

And for morphman -

Where in the article does it say that 3 people "attacked" jorge? :)  "Several" normally refers to 3 or more, and that would be along with Nuno, making it 4 and (+).  It's said that there were 2 other people than Nuno "taunting" Jorge, in which the word "couple" should've been mentioned when they said Nuno was accompanied, IF they were there to assist in the upcoming thrashing.

So the fact remains that the entire article still implies that this was a one on one fight, and it still goes to show that even with my impaired vision and laziness, I can still come out on top in a verbal battle between MFG's former loudest internet troll and some pathetic prick who simply dislikes me.  Now try not to assume shit just because of the wording used, and you can save yourself some embarrassment. 

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Brakmorphman's Dad said, January 12, 2012, 05:22:05 pm
Frederika Bernkasstel~ said, January 12, 2012, 05:20:01 pm
solbadguy sucks when he is not talking about religion :(
No, he sucked there too.

Frederika Bernkasstel~ said, January 12, 2012, 05:47:50 pm
Did not say otherwise.

This makes absolutely no sense
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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
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There's more than one bully, and they all wanted to fuck Jorge up. Jorge was like, I don't want any trouble, and I got a knife, I don't think YOU want any trouble either. So he gets off the bus. A bully follows him off (This is where I'm lost, did they all get off or just one.) and blindsides Jorge as he was walking away to wherever. So Jorge stabs him to death in nerd rage. Sadistic? Fuck no.

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#89  January 16, 2012, 11:51:07 pm
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Cazaki said, January 16, 2012, 11:44:57 pm
There's more than one bully, and they all wanted to fuck Jorge up. Jorge was like, I don't want any trouble, and I got a knife, I don't think YOU want any trouble either. So he gets off the bus. A bully follows him off (This is where I'm lost, did they all get off or just one.) and blindsides Jorge as he was walking away to wherever. So Jorge stabs him to death in nerd rage. Sadistic? Fuck no.

If this is exactly what happened, then it's not mentioned in the article at all.  That's my main point here.
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If this is exactly what happened, then it's not mentioned in the article at all.
Already made my case about that and you just don't know how to read the article and understand what it's saying was happening. This is a line from the article : "students who witnessed the events Jan. 24, 2011, testified that several teens announced the fight on the bus" you know what that means in a situation like that ? I already said it earlier in the topic. You're not reading it this way, and that's exactly why I've been telling you that you're not reading between the lines and visualizing the events as they were happening. "Several teens announced the fight". That means "the bullies were a whole group, sitting around the kid with the knife, chanting 'we're going to beat the shit out of you when you get off the bus'". You know, like at school, they walk around the kid and whisper "we're going to jump you outside school when the day ends !" Why do you think the kid resorted to bringing a knife ? He did because that's what happens with bullies like that.
The article is just not saying it, but if you can read between the lines, you just know that's the kind of situation that was going on. That's just what bullies do.
And I said all that already earlier in this topic, so clearly you just did not pay attention to the discussion.
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- it's not stated that they were charged with anything
Why would they ? :???:
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- they most likely would've overpowered a kid with a small pocket knife (size isn't necessarily mentioned, again, in this article)
Unless he was busy stabbing their buddy and they were like OH SHIT HE HAS A KNIFE (even though they already knew he did)
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- what were they doing while big bro was getting shanked?
Backing off. You know. He had a knife, afterall !
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Peter H.

Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#91  January 17, 2012, 12:32:48 am
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Byakko said, January 17, 2012, 12:13:20 am
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Not once is it stated (in this article) that the other accompanying students attacked Jorge
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If this is exactly what happened, then it's not mentioned in the article at all.
Already made my case about that and you just don't know how to read the article and understand what it's saying was happening. This is a line from the article : "students who witnessed the events Jan. 24, 2011, testified that several teens announced the fight on the bus" you know what that means in a situation like that ?

It means that there's going to be a fight.  Not once is it stated that "they" are going to do anything.  Having been to rowdy schools myself, there's been several hundreds of times I've heard people "announce a fight" only to see one on one's result.  Again, save yourself some embarrassment and don't assume what isn't there.

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I already said it earlier in the topic. You're not reading it this way, and that's exactly why I've been telling you that you're not reading between the lines and visualizing the events as they were happening. "Several teens announced the fight". That means "the bullies were a whole group, sitting around the kid with the knife, chanting 'we're going to beat the shit out of you when you get off the bus'". why do you think the kid resorted to bringing a knife ? He did because that's what happens with bullies like that.
The article is just not saying it, but if you can read between the lines, you just know that's the kind of situation that was going on. That's just what bullies do.

If it doesn't openly state it, I'm not going to assume shit.  It's a news article, and it's up to THEM to make sure THEY convey the idea across accurately.  The identities of the "announcers" are not made clear as to whether or not they were hostile towards Jorge, therefore you can't assume fuck all of anything from it.  This just comes as an attempt to save face after being proven that you were wrong.

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- it's not stated that they were charged with anything
Why would they ? ???

No, the question is WHY WOULDN'T THEY.  Maybe because they didn't do anything wrong, and therefore it really was just a one on one fight?


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- they most likely would've overpowered a kid with a small pocket knife (size isn't necessarily mentioned, again, in this article)
Unless he was busy stabbing their buddy and they were like OH SHIT HE HAS A KNIFE (even though they already knew he did)

So wait, you're backing down from the position you had earlier?  LOL.  I thought a knife wasn't shit against a bunch of guys threatening to beat you down?

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- what were they doing while big bro was getting shanked?
Backing off. You know. He had a knife, afterall !

You. Are. Defeated [/magneto]
Good news for all of you.

I'm banned forever.

Please, just let the ban quietly pass and whatever you do, I beg you, DO NOT CHEER. Do not celebrate that you've won about the fact that I'm banned forever. Let it slide, PLEASE DO NOT CHEER. Don't cause me to shitpost again. I didn't even recall making a shitty post before I got perma'd. I hated this forum anyway. It doesn't even feel I'm taking part in a MUGEN forum.

Well, ungoodbye to you all and I hope you all burn in hell.

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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#92  January 17, 2012, 12:37:57 am
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If it doesn't openly state it, I'm not going to assume shit.
Translation : "I can't read and I have crippling issues with understanding the things a newspaper can't say" (or, for that matter, the very fact that those same students obviously didn't outright say "we were telling him we would beat him to death" because that would be really fucking stupid, no, they said "some guys announced the fight, THAT's why he walked off, not because WE threatened him")
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No, the question is WHY WOULDN'T THEY.  Maybe because they didn't do anything wrong, and therefore it really was just a one on one fight?
I... That didn't even make any sense. Why would they be charged for anything ? What crime or felony did they commit ? Can you prove it ?
You're trying to use it to prove that it was a one-on-one ? That's just stupid. You can't prove they participated, which is why you can't charge them, but that obviously doesn't prove they didn't, which is why you can't say it was a one-on-one.
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So wait, you're backing down from the position you had earlier?  LOL.
That's funny, when it's you doing it you go "I said it so you would realize what was wrong with it" but when it's me I'm backing down from my position.
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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#93  January 17, 2012, 01:07:50 am
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Byakko said, January 17, 2012, 12:37:57 am
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If it doesn't openly state it, I'm not going to assume shit.
Translation : "I can't read and I have crippling issues with understanding the things a newspaper can't say" (or, for that matter, the very fact that those same students obviously didn't outright say "we were telling him we would beat him to death" because that would be really fucking stupid, no, they said "some guys announced the fight, THAT's why he walked off, not because WE threatened him")

This is so fucking stupid.  So, when it stated that teens announced the fight in the article, you read that as "We're going to beat you dead", rather than "Holy shit guys, there's going to be a fight when we get off the bus!"?  I bet you read "Jorge showed the knife to two teens" as "Jorge showed the knife to two OF the teens (who announced the fight)" too, eh?  :)  So if they were scared of the knife, why wouldn't Nunor be?  You don't think they wouldn't have told him about the knife?  If he knew about the knife, why would he attack Jorge then?  You're getting fucking nowhere by assuming shit, and just don't know it.  It's sad, really.


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No, the question is WHY WOULDN'T THEY.  Maybe because they didn't do anything wrong, and therefore it really was just a one on one fight?
I... That didn't even make any sense. Why would they be charged for anything ? What crime or felony did they commit ? Can you prove it ?

It's a public disturbance that lead to the death of a teen.  They were responsible for harassment to an extreme enough to cause someone concern for their life.  That is, if they were in fact attempting to in the first place.

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You're trying to use it to prove that it was a one-on-one ? That's just stupid. You can't prove they participated, which is why you can't charge them, but that obviously doesn't prove they didn't, which is why you can't say it was a one-on-one.

You can't prove that they actually said that they were going to beat him up.  THAT is just stupid.  If we're going to go by what witnesses say (which is almost all they got), then surely enough the others would get charged with SOMETHING, and even THAT would've made it's way into the article.  Obviously, Jorge showed the knife to two unrelated teens, that's why Nunor didn't know about the knife, because if the announcers of the fight were with him, and were to assist, then they would do their jobs AS assistants, and tell Nunor about the fucking knife.  Because he DIDN'T know about the knife, he went full on in there and got shanked, and the only way he WOULDN'T have known is if no one TOLD him, and no one would've TOLD him if they didn't KNOW about it now WOULD THEY?

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So wait, you're backing down from the position you had earlier?  LOL.
That's funny, when it's you doing it you go "I said it so you would realize what was wrong with it" but when it's me I'm backing down from my position.
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I have no fucking idea what you're talking about.  Of course this is just a lame ass cop out.  Thanks for giving me the pleasure of forcing you into such a position.
Good news for all of you.

I'm banned forever.

Please, just let the ban quietly pass and whatever you do, I beg you, DO NOT CHEER. Do not celebrate that you've won about the fact that I'm banned forever. Let it slide, PLEASE DO NOT CHEER. Don't cause me to shitpost again. I didn't even recall making a shitty post before I got perma'd. I hated this forum anyway. It doesn't even feel I'm taking part in a MUGEN forum.

Well, ungoodbye to you all and I hope you all burn in hell.

- Peter

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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#94  January 17, 2012, 01:41:09 am
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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#95  January 17, 2012, 02:16:48 am
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It's a public disturbance that lead to the death of a teen.  They were responsible for harassment to an extreme enough to cause someone concern for their life.  That is, if they were in fact attempting to in the first place.
Can't prove anything. Can't put up any charge against them. Can't arrest them. Not simple enough for a monkey to understand apparently.
Oh, though now that Murdertroyd posted the details, that can now actually be proved since it's in testimony on court records (which confirm my hypothesis : the group of 5 in the back and "multiple friends of [the bully]" walking up to the one in the front and repeatedly telling him "we're going to get you", you can say it, it's exactly what I described). NOW they could possibly be charged. But I'm not sure anyone cares at this point.
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Thanks for giving me the pleasure of forcing you into such a position.
Such desperation to get the higher seat. That's just sad by now.
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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#96  January 17, 2012, 05:17:39 pm
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by the way, by higher seat he means you wuld be sitting on top of him, on his dick, just in case you can't read between the lines.

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Re: Guess which kid at school nobody picks on ever again?
#97  January 18, 2012, 02:36:26 am
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You really didn't need to add your 2 cents on that one lol
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