a mugen history "thing" might be nice.not a thread, but more of a idk what, for history nerds like myself and just to set the facts for future mugen users
And motivations too.Facts and truth get in the way of control, who holds the truth controls the "powuhz".And who still thinks there is "powuhz" to be controlled, usually screw the rest of the system trying to amass it instead of making the community grow.
I agree with the above two posts but, I don't think any of the moderators/admins here are worried about "powuhz", but for some reason i find it would be excellent to have some sort of record of what went down in the eight+ years of mugen's existence.The "Chronicles of Mugen" at randomselect is nice, but it doesn't provide any indepth information, and focuses on the early years, before mfg, or any of these "splits"...
how do you suggest to do it in order to protect the "name of the guilty" ? Cuz if people start pointing out that user X and y caused this and that, it becomes little more than a brawl fest, with everyone trying to defend their "friends"
History stuff is always like that, so I don't see hwo the problem is that reelevant. And the topic at rs failed because eli did not feel like making a subforum to continue the chronicles properly.
I still think that would just awaken tensions and ending up villifying people, how can you relate the story of Kfm deleting the guild, sunboy ultimatum or Pots closing site without ending up pointing names and actions of people that can only either, humiliate them, or make them look like assholes?
facts are facts, would they rather be hidden ?Actually by not having documentation on what happened, it is more likely that people will listen to a one sided story instead.
Re: historyI have told this story before, and I shall someday tell it again, in a different fashion; but for Now, know the story so:[...]Fact and truth and history are rarely related.[...]There have been many histories written concerning those twenty years when telepaths first walked the Earth; but historians are primarily concerned with truth, and a concern for truth can make one leery of those cold facts that might conflict with a precious, closely held “truth.”It is better to be a Storyteller.--Kayell’no, the Name Storyteller, God of LiesEmerald Eyes, Daniel Keys MoranDresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki ... if we'd lost in WWII, most of the upper echelons of the American government would have been executed for war crimes. And modern history books would have us looking worse than the Third Reich.--Daniel Keys Moran... again
You got to agree tho, that if we were to put together mugen "facts", there are some users that would end up vilanized by their own actions, and perhaps they deserve it, but wouldn't that be...exceedingly petty? Imagine that , you would put together logs from the time the guild made the transition where people were threatening the guild, those posts seen to the light of today events make them look mean and idiotic in many instances. but.. maybe [E] is right, hiding the truth just makes it more liable to be distorted.Its just...drama.
Got to agree? That's what I'm sayin'.Matthew Woodring Stover said:For me, language is more effective than any other tool for modeling reality. It is, in fact, the only valid tool, because the search for truth is, fundamentally, the search for meaning. Mathematics can only offer fact, and predictions of fact. "Truth," in StoverWorld, lies the narrative we use to assign meaning to arrays of fact; that narrative also gives us a structure that allows us to decide which facts are pertinent, and which are not. There's a lot more I can say on this -- like, for example, the argument that if there is such a thing as a purpose to human existence, it lies in the assignment of meaning . . . which is the creation of meaning . . . Nietzsche called Man "the rationalizing animal" -- which is true, but even he didn't see the deeper truth: that rationalization is exactly Humanity's greatest strength: it is, after all, the creation of a narrative with explanatory power, and the assignment of meaning. Since "rationalizing" carries a pejorative connotation, I prefer my own definition: Humanity is the storytelling animal. In sum (to quote Blade of Tyshalle): "What anything means depends on how you tell the story."To quote Deus Ex: Meaning does not exist a priori. It is order imposed by individuals with arsenals of communication devices. Every inscription, every utterance, every gesture seeks to dominate the plain of meaning.Depending on which facts you chose to relay and how much importance you place on them, the resulting story and meaning will be different.
Sepp said, August 08, 2008, 08:35:21 pmGot to agree? That's what I'm sayin'.I thought you meant that it would happen, but that it was expected of it to happen and it was alright.
"Either you die the hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian.--Harvey Dent, Gotham City DAThe Dark Knight, Christopher Nolan
What? Oh, no. Iced I meant in general. I don't think it must happen with this: MUGEN is just not important enough that anybody would bother. Haha. Challenge?Oz, there's another quote that goes something like, "Keep any hero going/alive long enough, he turns into a god."
requesting all arguements be deleted and participants be told to go to irc.i know this is a terrible idea and is very nazi like, but it would stop all the "traffic" jams
I think that they want to keep record of their fights, so that they may later quote comments to use as slander.
