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Is MUGEN Dead?
#1  December 03, 2009, 03:13:37 am
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By that, I don't mean completely gone, but made irrelevant.

I've used it since 2001 or so (leacher, I know :ninja:) and it may be personal paranoia, but I have noticed a gradual decline both in quantity and quality of chars in the last few years (say, 2006?).

I remember when there was something amazing out every few weeks.

Here are some reasons that I think have lead to the situation:

-Many of the quality Japanese creators quitting (and others like Splode, Beximus, Fervicante)
-Incredible popularity of evil/cheap/broken characters, started by Evil Ken (R.I.P Reu; I wonder if he wanted the 'overpowered' standard to become the norm rather than the KFM standard).
-Youtube vids, both compounding the above problem, and helping popularize others (crap a.i. patches, bad edits, over-saturation).

I think after mugen became popular, it stopped being so special, and became a victim of popular demand (bad taste).

Finally, the killer blow to mugen (and this was largely inevitable) is the depleting number of 'new' fighting game characters which can be ripped as a result of the industry turning their backs on 2d. Since mugen characters are dependent on sprites/moves from other games, there are only so many sources to turn to.

As for original characters, good ones obviously take ages to make, require both talent and continued dedication, and very seldom do the authors allow their creations to be continued by others in case they decide to abandon their project.

The 'new' breed of 2d fighting games (since guilty gear) have been craptacular in my opinion, but that is personal preference.

Elecbyte may be back, but I just don't think it will make a big difference. From what I have seen, the community is exactly the same as before their return. I have a few wips I'm looking forward to, but other than those I don't see much on the horizon. Even 'bad' creators like Ryouwin and KONG (and the old fave, Ex-Infernis :P) seem to not care anymore. Despite that, I think mugen had a fabulous run, with many diamonds among the rough.

I didn't intend for this to be so long...

What is your opinion? Are mugen's glory days over, or will it experience a renaissance?
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#2  December 03, 2009, 03:15:14 am
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Hey remember that time when the exact same topic was posted ? That was, what, three years ago. Nevermind that it's still there, that Elecbyte is back and actually working on updates. Also, disregard all these kickass full games in the making around here.
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#3  December 03, 2009, 03:21:49 am
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Viscount said, December 03, 2009, 03:13:37 am
As for original characters, good ones obviously take ages to make, require both talent and continued dedication, and very seldom do the authors allow their creations to be continued by others in case they decide to abandon their project.
Actually seanaltly spits out origional stuff thats full of quality, like an easybake oven for grown-ups (working on a fullgame with him) so not all orgional stuff takes large amounts of time to create, it depends on the persons drive/skill. 
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#4  December 03, 2009, 03:27:43 am
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#5  December 03, 2009, 03:40:14 am
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#6  December 03, 2009, 04:16:40 am
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This gotta be a joke topic. Specially considering the events of these last months.

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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#7  December 03, 2009, 05:09:25 am
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Thanks for the link Guardian Angel. Some interesting comments in that thread.

Lasombra, this topic isn't a joke, but feel free to disagree.
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#8  December 03, 2009, 05:52:13 am
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Splode is japanese since when?  Why was I not told this!?

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#9  December 03, 2009, 05:55:12 am
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Hey remember that time when the exact same topic was posted ? That was, what, three years ago. Nevermind that it's still there, that Elecbyte is back and actually working on updates. Also, disregard all these kickass full games in the making around here.

I even remember the leacher typo.

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#10  December 03, 2009, 08:56:43 am
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As long as there are people which like 2D fighting games and characters, Mugen gets more stuff


I m playing Mugen since 2001 or 2002 as well and believe..while it had it ups and downs that thecommunity of supporters/developers  has grown more and more.

There are wikis about Mugen now, Hi res is supported, we see more and more really good 100% original mugen games (borghi you are a inspiration) and some more or less good games based on exsisting series.  At least the SF Alpha 4 project looks very interesting.

But i wonder how Mugen  and its community looks in 2015

I have the feeling that everything gets  more and more professional
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#11  December 03, 2009, 09:13:46 am
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#12  December 03, 2009, 09:16:43 am
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in quantity and quality
I have to disagree... the new stuff is more solid than old chars, cause nowdays if you release something ugly, you get bashed more than before...

I actually believe mugen will get a new life with the updates elecbyte is doing...

and momo... I killed mugen
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#13  December 03, 2009, 10:10:05 am
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You should see Today's Mugen community.

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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#14  December 03, 2009, 10:22:08 am
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#15  December 03, 2009, 12:42:21 pm
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If we visit the Guild archive I wonder how many "dead MUGEN" threads we can find, maybe not as much as "MI is down" topics but still.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Beximus and Fervicante from Brazil?

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I think after mugen became popular, it stopped being so special, and became a victim of popular demand
Yeah, if mugen would have remianed underground it would have simply died while remaining good and nobody would have noticed, plus many new people that helped the community in various ways that discovered mugen after it became popular would have used that time ane energy into something productive instead.

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Elecbyte may be back, but I just don't think it will make a big difference.
Yeah if you look at the Elecbyte forum it's only filled with bug reports from various users as well as suggestions to improve the engine and what is Elecbyte doing? are they working on Suave Dude? NO! they are simply improving the engine based on people's feedback, what the hell!

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Finally, the killer blow to mugen (and this was largely inevitable) is the depleting number of 'new' fighting game characters which can be ripped as a result of the industry turning their backs on 2d.
Now all we can do is depend on original characters and edits. Damn it!

Well, in short: Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. Yes, VISCOUNT, M.U.G.E.N is dead.

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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#16  December 03, 2009, 03:11:40 pm
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Even if Mugen is Dying, people who are not in the Mugen forums can still have fun with Mugen and make changes to there own stuff and whatnot.

Heck, the bigger question is do people still play Mugen for fun. It seem now a day that when people make Mugen videos now, they just do it to be popular. I make mugen videos (Rarely) and yet I still have fun playing the game itself

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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#17  December 03, 2009, 03:22:21 pm
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And that's not even talking about all those who download stuff only to watch the AI go at it against itself.
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#18  December 03, 2009, 03:50:59 pm
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Because people actually play Mugen ?! o_O I only have access to watch mode in mine.

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#19  December 03, 2009, 04:47:54 pm
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And that's why you shouldn't download your mugen copy from IMT.

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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#20  December 03, 2009, 04:52:31 pm
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The day that Watch mode is removed from Mugen will be the day that Mugen will die.

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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#21  December 03, 2009, 05:23:36 pm
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All I can say is Life. Some people have moved on from Mugen to create better things such as XBLA games or went to work somewhere else and have no time for Mugen. Mugen is not dead YET, we just need new creative blood, thats all.

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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#22  December 03, 2009, 07:01:50 pm
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YES!!!!! COUNT M.U.G.E.N. NEEDS BLOOD AS A SACRIFICE!!!!!
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#23  December 03, 2009, 07:07:43 pm
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its dead me and momo raped it and sucked its blood and sumthing else (its penish  :D)

HEy guys remember the good old mugen days when the assholes ruled mugen.. Man i miss my boyfriend KFM.

SHout out to Jesuszilla Aka Sexy mokey and Ryon AKA pussy prince.

CKF We taking over  >:(
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#24  December 03, 2009, 11:35:08 pm
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Frederika Trollkastel~ said, December 03, 2009, 05:55:12 am
Byakko said, December 03, 2009, 03:15:14 am
Hey remember that time when the exact same topic was posted ? That was, what, three years ago. Nevermind that it's still there, that Elecbyte is back and actually working on updates. Also, disregard all these kickass full games in the making around here.

I even remember the leacher typo.

Well ExcuuuuuuUUUse ME Princess!

Also, I never said Splode et al were jap. I used the phrase "and others" to signify their difference.

I think I see a lot more defensive posts than optimism, so to clarify I don't intend to blow up the guild or form a partnership with Vyx and sue elecbyte  --;

As for me not seeing the relevance (beyond shock value) of elecbyte's return, I can only attest to the very few releases for their new version. I know that the engine is constantly 'in development', but I think most creators are content with the current version. I know that winmugen took a long time to accept, but I was always under the impression that it was due to moral reasons and respect for elecbyte (the thou shall not support a hack mentality).

Plus, the percentage of cheap broken shit is much more prevalent now. If KFM were to face most of the new releases, how many people think he would honestly stand a chance? I just hope he wouldn't fight Pots' Cammy :argue: :kugoi:
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#25  December 04, 2009, 12:32:01 am
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great now you made pots cry.

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#26  December 04, 2009, 12:53:26 am
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The people complaining about Mugen dying are always the ones not doing anything to keep it alive.
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#27  December 04, 2009, 12:56:17 am
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And it isn't our job to make sure that KFM wins.
There is no universal standard that we're trying to observe.
When did KFM's survival become an issue?
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#28  December 04, 2009, 01:00:51 am
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#29  December 04, 2009, 01:23:10 am
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#30  December 04, 2009, 01:51:17 am
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Kung Fu Man is dead. He killed himself one day after checking the mirror and seeing KFM720.

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#31  December 04, 2009, 02:57:49 am
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Mugen never dies, I have to open Task Manager and kill him manually every time, stupid hanged process  >:(
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#32  December 04, 2009, 03:07:11 am
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Mugen wouldn't die, even if it's killed.

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#33  December 04, 2009, 03:18:01 am
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Mugen never dies.
Only the actor who plays it.


Any we've forgotten?
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#34  December 04, 2009, 03:23:00 am
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hey guys its not elecbyte is ever gonna come back or anything
xX-Nero-Xx said, May 22, 2013, 03:27:40 pm
I wouldn't consider that a infinite since you have to make your opponent bounce of the wall and if you do it on the wrong side of the stage the stage interaction would activate.

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#35  December 04, 2009, 03:39:45 am
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I can only attest to the very few releases for their new version.
Those of us with the brain to release for the new version (complete as in with sffv2) are very very lazy creators now. Conversion, i'm sure, is more likely to occur when they're up to 1.0. Until then, we're testing our old stuff on the new version to iron out bugs as it goes. Most of it is pretty good. To some extent releases for the old version ARE releases to the new version.

Although i'd like a "assertspecial novictory" to turn that screen off.

It's obnoxious to fix a bug in one version then have to re-fix it in the next because they implemented something that made your original method work again.


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#36  December 04, 2009, 04:16:11 am
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Elecbyte blog updated. Seems they will implement a Replay function in the future. o_O

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#37  December 04, 2009, 04:45:19 am
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POTS has his name in 50% of characters' readme. I shall have 50% too, but for stages ! :ninja: ;D
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Re: Is MUGEN Dead?
#38  December 04, 2009, 06:25:34 am
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I love being wrong on these forums!  :sugoi:

Yes, KFM's survival has always been an issue. Now I demand that all of you creators fix this at once!!!!

Also, thanks for the explanation Cyanide, everyone is waiting for ver 1.0 I see. Hopefully backwards-compatibility will work well.

As for me contributing to mugen, I think that would could kill it for sure! Well, there's no telling what the future will bring. I always had a thing for Ninja Master's characters. To the Bat Mobile!
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#39  December 04, 2009, 03:45:10 pm
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Let's just make KFM's parry actually good, that'll do wonders for his survivability.

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#40  December 04, 2009, 04:08:24 pm
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Have the people @ Ascended code his parry. ;P

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#41  December 04, 2009, 04:10:28 pm
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Actually, XCB's Tetsu's parry should be enough. :P

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#42  December 05, 2009, 04:29:30 am
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#43  December 18, 2009, 10:45:01 pm
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Mugen is far from dead.
There may be alot of bad taste out there but that bad taste has given birth to a whole seperate mugen community that doesn't participate in the mainstream one. good or bad, love it or hate it. it is more alive than Frankenstein or the song ALIVE by POD or that movie ALIVE where they eat each other on the mountain coz they were in a plain crash.

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#44  December 18, 2009, 11:21:41 pm
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Is MUGEN Dead? no it's just the economy is forcing us to get real jobs  ;P

Dude mugen ain't dyeing dude to me it's only getting more better XD i see some reall good char like my case gundams and DC VS Marval shades of New york  or something XD that and most of the Japanese guys are making some cool chars but then again it depends what ya like to say what good chars are being made  ;D
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