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Jango post re-deux
#1  February 24, 2011, 05:01:37 pm
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I thought this was an extremely valid point and was completely overlooked...

Jango Pyrope said, February 24, 2011, 10:55:40 am
You know what, to be honest, it feels a lot like you, the staff, have extremely weird standards for what flies and what doesn't. You will allow individuals that actually go out of their way to get a negative reaction out of people to do whatever they please, yet somehow you have to eradicate "gimmicks?" I mean seriously? You're more concerned about getting new LOLTASTIC material for whatever jokebook you're compiling than over the well-being of the individuals here?

Apologies to Jango if he did not like his point addressed this way, but I saw it was overlooked and thought this is the best place for it.

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#2  February 24, 2011, 05:05:13 pm
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a) Jango's gimmick easily qualified as going out of his own way to get a negative reaction.

b) we tolerate/d a lot of gimmicks

it's quit easy actually: don't be a dick.
Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 07:04:00 pm by Purple

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#3  February 24, 2011, 05:05:42 pm
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@volzilla No offense but, why did you have to create another topic for it? Why not just quote the sentence in the same thread? >.<

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Re: Jango post re-deux
#4  February 24, 2011, 05:12:17 pm
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because that thread basically turned into shit thread's little brother (originally about a "war"). and if point overlooked first time, might be again.

and it addresses feedback of the forum.

and i'm not talking about anyone in particular going out of their way to get a negative reaction...and i don't think jango was either. there are a large number of posters that go out of their way going for a negative reaction and i believe the question is, "why is bigsally being addressed, when those people are not"

...especially since rule #1 of the forum is "Be nice, and treat the other users with respect. Behavior rubs off." , with addendum replies to get the point across even moreso.

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=62286.0

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Re: Jango post re-deux
#5  February 24, 2011, 06:55:53 pm
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volnuttzilla said, February 24, 2011, 05:01:37 pm
I thought this was an extremely valid point and was completely overlooked...

Jango Pyrope said, February 24, 2011, 10:55:40 am
You know what, to be honest, it feels a lot like you, the staff, have extremely weird standards for what flies and what doesn't. You will allow individuals that actually go out of their way to get a negative reaction out of people to do whatever they please, yet somehow you have to eradicate "gimmicks?" I mean seriously? You're more concerned about getting new LOLTASTIC material for whatever jokebook you're compiling than over the well-being of the individuals here?

Apologies to Jango if he did not like his point addressed this way, but I saw it was overlooked and thought this is the best place for it.
It sounds a little like you're actually going out of your way to get a negative reaction from people...

EDIT; I really like -göh-'s avatar. Some kinda crazy chibi Terminator, I guess.
Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 07:01:06 pm by FrozenDelight

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Re: Jango post re-deux
#6  February 24, 2011, 06:59:22 pm
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volnuttzilla said, February 24, 2011, 05:12:17 pm
and i believe the question is, "why is bigsally being addressed, when those people are not"
Those people are not ignored mind you, measures have been taken before, and if you read the topic, you would know why BS is being addressed.

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#7  February 24, 2011, 07:37:02 pm
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-göh- said, February 24, 2011, 06:59:22 pm
volnuttzilla said, February 24, 2011, 05:12:17 pm
and i believe the question is, "why is bigsally being addressed, when those people are not"
Those people are not ignored mind you, measures have been taken before, and if you read the topic, you would know why BS is being addressed.
if that the case, why are there constant examples of rule #1, "Be nice, and treat the other users with respect. Behavior rubs off." being broken? i can understand in the "all thats left section" as that part of the reason for that section apparently. but that type of behavior, when that rule is in place and emphasized further in the replies to the rules, should be looked at harder in the rest of the forum.

and frozendelight, its not about looking for a negative reaction, its about addressing something that *i know* i am not the only one to notice on the forum in the feedback section which is about the forum.

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Re: Jango post re-deux
#8  February 24, 2011, 07:54:41 pm
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volnuttzilla said, February 24, 2011, 07:37:02 pm
if that the case, why are there constant examples of rule #1, "Be nice, and treat the other users with respect. Behavior rubs off." being broken? i can understand in the "all thats left section" as that part of the reason for that section apparently. but that type of behavior, when that rule is in place and emphasized further in the replies to the rules, should be looked at harder in the rest of the forum.

I think you're exaggerating. Yeah, there are a lot of times people broke that rule (and I'm sure I did too sometimes), but unless it escalates to something like people insulting or threatening each other, it's not really a major problem. You can't just expect people in a forum to talk in a civilized way and that they like every single person in the forum. And mods will act if it really goes way out of hand (and some users dislike these kind of things too and will try to calm the two guys if it's possible).

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Re: Jango post re-deux
#9  February 24, 2011, 08:55:15 pm
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because it's more of a guideline than a rule
we cannot 100% enforce 'nice'

we do what we can
if we cracked down and enforced the 'nice rule', banning or warning everyone who did something that could be seen as rude or 'not nice' we would be seen as more tyrannical than at any previous point in guild history

we want everyone to treat each other with respect and act nice, but it is not something we can realistically moderate all the time

you know good and well you are talking about someone in particular, and i will tell you the truth
nothing gill has done to that you've reported has ever warranted a ban, and only very very rarely in the most extreme conditions have his actions even warranted a warning

i am sick and tired of seeing you two doing the same stupid song and dance for three years
you don't like him and he doesn't like you
it is not the staff's responsibility to ensure that your feelings will never be hurt by someone you don't like

i pray to god that this is the last time i have to say this, though i know in my heart that it won't be:

VOLNUTZILLA, IGNORE OROCHIGILL. IF YOU IGNORE HIM HE WILL PROBABLY LEAVE YOU ALONE. MUTE HIM AND YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO READ ANOTHER POST OF HIS AGAIN.

OROCHIGILL, STAY AWAY FROM VOLNUTZILLA. HE WILL REPORT YOU EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. YOUR VERY PRESENCE PUTS HIM ON EDGE. JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE AND DO NOT POST AFTER HIM JUST TO GET A REACTION
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#10  February 24, 2011, 09:03:34 pm
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also, there is the basic assumption that members here are not infants that need guidance on basic social interaction.

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#11  February 24, 2011, 09:12:09 pm
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tayne, first of all, i've not been here 3 years. second of all, contrary to what you might think, i was not talking about any specific instance...at which was stated more than once. i said it was about a general tone which i stand behind still.

and third, you just proved my point about a general tone people ignore "Be nice, and treat the other users with respect. Behavior rubs off." and if you can talk to me like that when just trying to state a case on a forum section that is used for that sort of thing, then i guess i can't break the rule too when telling you to "bite me"
Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 09:15:52 pm by volnuttzilla

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Re: Jango post re-deux
#12  February 24, 2011, 09:30:53 pm
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Tayne said, February 24, 2011, 08:55:15 pm
OROCHIGILL, STAY AWAY FROM VOLNUTZILLA. HE WILL REPORT YOU EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. YOUR VERY PRESENCE PUTS HIM ON EDGE. JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE AND DO NOT POST AFTER HIM JUST TO GET A REACTION

What happened now? I had class then a job fair. :uhoh:

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Re: Jango post re-deux
#13  February 24, 2011, 09:31:50 pm
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@volnutzilla
Sorry, it's just that you raise your banner of "Be nice, and treat the other users with respect. Behavior rubs off." every time you go on one of your Gill crusades. Seeing as you've fairly consistantly been a one trick pony, I wasn't exactly expecting you to mix things up. Good to know that Gill has absolutely nothing to do with this at all.

The time I gave was most likely hyperbole.

And to the 'bite me' statement. That's fine. Though I may note that I never once insulted you; nor was anything I wrote in my post untrue. Only you know your motives behind 'stating this case' on the forum section, the rest of us can only speculate.

You are free to tell me to 'bite you', I will not ban you, warn you, report you, fight you irl, etc.
As a normal human being I do not put much importance it insults or threats, I ignore them and move on.
So go on and prove your point, I won't stop you.
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Re: Jango post re-deux
#14  February 24, 2011, 09:33:43 pm
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Purple said, February 24, 2011, 05:05:13 pm
a) Jango's gimmick easily qualified as going out of his own way to get a negative reaction.
We're not talking about HIS gimmick and neither was he.


Seeing as the linked topic's discussion by that point was BigSally, I'll refer to that instance. I don't really see BigSally being a dick with his "gimmick," either. The only real complaint is that he wasn't funny, unless it's Jmorphman, in which case I don't see how he could possibly think that anyone here thinks all gays act like BigSally. If they do, they're ones being the dicks, not BigSally.

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#15  February 24, 2011, 09:46:11 pm
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since what said before people we're reading it differently i will state this again...

not referring to anyone or anything specifically, it is to comment on the general tone of people saying whatever for the mere sake of looking for a negative reaction.

i state this again due to tayne misinterpreting whatever and due to the fact will show an example mention on the staff board. i'm more commenting on the generalization made later by Cyanide, but you needed context for the beginning of the talk to see why things got there.

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hello friends!!! do you think jesuszilla's posts lately are acceptable or do you think he's getting away with shit?? thx
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No not really. The only places they've been bad in the last 8 pages of his post history are in the "your admin titiln is a punk ass bitch" and the random topic, and i'm not going to blame anyone for things posted in there unless they're porn or ridiculous flaming, and he's just shitposted really. The rest are totally normal in the context of this forum and if you were to take action for those you'd have to do something about 40 other people as well.
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to give context, there were complaints that the mods are sucking him off and being lenient to his "trolling".
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Still nothing wrong with the last 6 pages of his post history. And if we were "sucking him off" we're doing the same for a number of other people who are actually behaving worse than him right now.

not to mention pm conversations i've had on that topic, not to mention seeing other forum discussion topics other places about that very thing...people will be rude just for the sake of the ability to be rude.

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#16  February 24, 2011, 09:50:43 pm
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Are you saying that being rude should be made a bannable offence?
May I ask what exactly your point is?
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#17  February 24, 2011, 09:53:16 pm
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he thinks cyanide admitted to "'sucking off' users," when in fact, he is saying the opposite

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#18  February 24, 2011, 09:55:13 pm
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i never used that either of those terms.

i'm asking for staff to take into account people trying to cause trouble just for the sake of it and make it to where cyanides generalizations cannot be observed any longer (that 40 some odd people get away with things others do not)

bigsally being one of the others that do not in the case mention on shit thread jr.

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#19  February 24, 2011, 09:57:50 pm
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Cyanide was being the voice of reason.
He wasn't advocating banning the 40 other people, he was using them as a reason to not ban the original user in question...

If I have an issue with BS, it's that he's nothing but gimmick. I don't recall him making a single post on this forum that wasn't a direct result of the gimmick.

I could decide tomorrow that all of my posts will be about making pies.
I doubt anything of value could be taken from my posts.
There may be some truly bad posters out there, but at least some content can be derived from their posts.

People say that BS is funny though, and admittedly, years ago it was sort of amusing(though probably still offensive to some part of the community).
But it's been years, BS has never dropped the gimmick, and it's gotten stale.
His posting is done without any effort towards post content, and now that the shock and humour is gone all that is left is the offensive element.
It's a double standard to say that it's okay as long as it's funny, but here we are.
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Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 10:09:44 pm by Tayne

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Re: Jango post re-deux
#20  February 24, 2011, 10:07:56 pm
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Not to mention there's a bit of a difference between a familiar user with a reputation doing certain things, and a new user who basically has no relevance. I think this was brought up in Byakko v. Vyx.

If a new user comes in and starts insulting everyone and trying to troll people, we don't know whether they're serious or not, so it's assumed they're being a dick and they get a warning. If they continue, that just confirms that they're a dick who needs to be banned.

If it's an old user, we can tell whether or not they're fucking around most of the time, and if they call you out on some shit, you should probably listen simply because they are still here and have been around longer than you. They know how things work.


Which is another reason why wanting to ban BigSally makes no damn sense at this point. You've put up with it for three years, you have already made the decision that it's OK. Your time of being able to say, "Hey, cut it out, we don't do that here," is way past due.
Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 10:17:27 pm by Jesuszilla

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#21  February 24, 2011, 10:16:40 pm
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i dont agree. my interpretation of cyanide's generalizations above is that he saying a large portion of people get away with some things others do not. and this is reinforced by an argument saying that very thing that was stated at cvg but was accidentally deleted instead of dumped due to thinking it might lead to flaming, and my own personal pm conversations on the topic.

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#22  February 24, 2011, 10:17:56 pm
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Well that's your interpretation. And nobody here knows nor cares what happens at CVG. That's their problem.

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#23  February 24, 2011, 10:19:55 pm
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Just woke up and all I can say is LOL

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#24  February 24, 2011, 10:25:10 pm
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Jesuszilla said, February 24, 2011, 10:07:56 pm
Which is another reason why wanting to ban BigSally makes no damn sense at this point. You've put up with it for three years, you have already made the decision that it's OK. Your time of being able to say, "Hey, cut it out, we don't do that here," is way past due.

If I'm not mistaken(I may be), no one has threatened to ban BS, just given him a long overdue 'cut it out'.
I'm not saying it's fair; anyone can see the double standard.
We gave him three years of rope and then hung him with it. (To be fair, I wasn't a mod when this started  :P)

The fact of the matter is, if he doesn't want to post without the gimmick, he'll leave.
If he's fine with giving it up, he'll stay.

Jesuszilla said, February 24, 2011, 10:17:56 pm
Well that's your interpretation.

Yeah, we're not reading the bible or looking over the constitution. Cyanide goes here. Let's ask him.
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#25  February 25, 2011, 08:18:03 am
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my interpretation of cyanide's generalizations above is that he saying a large portion of people get away with some things others do not.
No i'm not. I'm saying if we ban one person for that thing we'd have to ban the rest as well. My post doesn't state in any way that i think one person is getting away with more than every other member on the planet.

This forum, and you may not believe me, is actually rather pleasant to be in. Seen the member count? How much activity there is? How in general most people here not only get along with each other on this forum and work out differences WITHOUT our interference but do things outside the forum as well? It is not a mean, or nasty environment. Yeah, there's exceptions. That happens in every single conglomeration of humans on earth. If this forum was full of sweetness and light, somebody would be trolling.

I'm going to leave it there, any other comment i make at this point would not help matters.


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Re: Jango post re-deux
#26  February 25, 2011, 10:07:46 am
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Every time an user quotes that "be nice n' shit" rule it just makes me want to act more like a dick.

Seriously, Guild isn't such a wretched hive of scum and villany as most people make it look like.

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#27  February 25, 2011, 10:42:57 am
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Orochi Gill what did you do this time?

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#28  February 25, 2011, 10:46:10 am
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Iced where have you been? >:[

Cyanide said, February 25, 2011, 08:18:03 am
This forum, and you may not believe me, is actually rather pleasant to be in. Seen the member count? How much activity there is? How in general most people here not only get along with each other on this forum and work out differences WITHOUT our interference but do things outside the forum as well?

This was one of the reasons I joined Guild after being in MI for a while. Mainly for the activity and resources/help ofc.

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#29  February 25, 2011, 10:48:19 am
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Oh yeah?! YOU JUST WANT US FOR OUR ACTIVITY? Now we feel cheap and used.

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#30  February 25, 2011, 10:51:29 am
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D:

Think about it this way:

You're online as much as I am, so you're also a part of that activity!  :lugoi:

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#31  February 25, 2011, 11:59:50 am
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#32  February 25, 2011, 04:43:38 pm
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Jesuszilla said, February 24, 2011, 09:33:43 pm
Seeing as the linked topic's discussion by that point was BigSally, I'll refer to that instance. I don't really see BigSally being a dick with his "gimmick," either. The only real complaint is that he wasn't funny, unless it's Jmorphman
No that was my complaint too. BigSally is like the opposite of funny. It's just the same thing over and over and over again.

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#33  February 25, 2011, 10:39:37 pm
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