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people that get pissed when mugen compare with other 2d ftgs...
#1  March 13, 2008, 10:56:58 am
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that's strange.

if they hate mugen that much and want it disappear,
the best way is to ignore and avoid this kind of topic.

why come inside and yelling "mugen suck, how dare you compare it with XXX!?".

this reaction will  only make mugen more popular.

I hope they can understand.

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#2  March 13, 2008, 10:58:16 am
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mugener said, March 13, 2008, 10:56:58 am
if they hate mugen that much and want it disappear, the best way is to ignore and avoid this kind of topic.
Is it your first day on the Internet? ;P Sadly that never happens.
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#3  March 13, 2008, 12:07:03 pm
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You cannot compare something that is fixed to something that is variable and expect one to be better than the other.


Pretty much mugen is a program and as such it is not 100% software like a game is.

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#4  March 13, 2008, 04:30:28 pm
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Casey Jones said, March 13, 2008, 12:07:03 pm
Pretty much mugen is a program and as such it is not 100% software like a game is.

What? Mugen as much software as basically any other game. In fact, Mugen being a program *defines* it as software.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


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If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#5  March 13, 2008, 04:34:34 pm
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Internet: if you try to keep something simple, people will pick every little omission you made and discuss about it.
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#6  March 13, 2008, 09:11:55 pm
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Mugen is an Engine not a Game!!!

People compare mugen to SF and so on? Sounds pointless.


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#7  March 13, 2008, 09:17:35 pm
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Mugen is a engine of sorts i think of it more like a emulator its just using compacted files and running them through it, thats my theory i suppose.

And if there brining more people and post to the community with there stupidity im all for it.
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#8  March 14, 2008, 12:09:42 am
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Brackets said, March 13, 2008, 04:34:34 pm
Internet: if you try to keep something simple, people will pick every little omission you made and discuss about it.

Yeah I did try to make it as simple as I can but what can you do? Fools want to compare the variable with the fixed. And if they don't understand my reference then it proves my point.

Cyanide said, March 13, 2008, 09:11:55 pm
Mugen is an Engine not a Game!!!

People compare mugen to SF and so on? Sounds pointless.

Don't even bother TRYING to explain it to him or anyone else. You'd be wasting your time. Everyday I explain this to someone and yet they rather look at mugen as a game because it contains "pretty moving pictures" and "characters in fighting games." I can bet my ass that they cannot comprehend the amount fo work done to the most simplest character. For example the grappler.

BigBoss said, March 13, 2008, 09:17:35 pm
Mugen is a engine of sorts i think of it more like a emulator its just using compacted files and running them through it, thats my theory i suppose.

And if there brining more people and post to the community with there stupidity im all for it.

Comparing mugen to an emulator is spreading it rather thick. You need special tools to "mod" emulators. With mugen all you need paint, notepad, C++, and math experience.

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#9  March 14, 2008, 01:14:57 am
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Casey Jones said, March 14, 2008, 12:09:42 am
Brackets said, March 13, 2008, 04:34:34 pm
Internet: if you try to keep something simple, people will pick every little omission you made and discuss about it.

Yeah I did try to make it as simple as I can but what can you do? Fools want to compare the variable with the fixed. And if they don't understand my reference then it proves my point.

Cyanide said, March 13, 2008, 09:11:55 pm
Mugen is an Engine not a Game!!!

People compare mugen to SF and so on? Sounds pointless.

Don't even bother TRYING to explain it to him or anyone else. You'd be wasting your time. Everyday I explain this to someone and yet they rather look at mugen as a game because it contains "pretty moving pictures" and "characters in fighting games." I can bet my ass that they cannot comprehend the amount fo work done to the most simplest character. For example the grappler.

BigBoss said, March 13, 2008, 09:17:35 pm
Mugen is a engine of sorts i think of it more like a emulator its just using compacted files and running them through it, thats my theory i suppose.

And if there brining more people and post to the community with there stupidity im all for it.

Comparing mugen to an emulator is spreading it rather thick. You need special tools to "mod" emulators. With mugen all you need paint, notepad, C++, and math experience.

I said thats how i look at it i never said thats how its done now if you're done with that statement no it only requires VB-or-Java it can be done with those aswell.
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#10  March 14, 2008, 02:26:44 am
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#11  March 14, 2008, 02:30:48 am
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I stand corrected boss. No need to get snippy. I didn't mean that in a literal sense.

But still we can agree that calling mugen a game is demeaning, no?

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#12  March 14, 2008, 02:54:42 am
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no, calling mugen a game is giving it too much credit

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R[E]ika said, March 14, 2008, 02:54:42 am
no, calling mugen a game is giving it too much credit

Mugen animates a bunch of images into a animation and you control the actions against another run by someone else or the program. Not sure what they call those.

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#14  March 14, 2008, 03:03:55 am
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#16  March 14, 2008, 03:57:49 am
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no, and as proof i will now say that it is a game.

kaijyuu

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#17  March 14, 2008, 06:24:35 am
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Mugen's a tool to create games, I think. "Mugen" is the base code, "characters" are addons to change the rules, and stages/screenpacks/lifebars are purely cosmetic. Stick it all together and you might have something that could be called a game.

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#18  March 14, 2008, 07:27:34 am
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kaijyuu said, March 14, 2008, 06:24:35 am
Mugen's a tool to create games, I think. "Mugen" is the base code, "characters" are addons to change the rules, and stages/screenpacks/lifebars are purely cosmetic. Stick it all together and you might have something that could be called a game.

Mugen isn't a "tool" to create "games", simply a program that can use certain files to make "games" (loosely speaking). Characters can be considered "add-ons", but not "change the rules".

Really, as others said, mugen itself isn't a game, it's an engine. Games can be made from it, but a game is not what mugen is. That's the context I'm going by.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

kaijyuu

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#19  March 14, 2008, 08:38:52 am
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Mugen isn't a "tool" to create "games", simply a program that can use certain files to make "games" (loosely speaking).
Isn't that exactly what a tool is? Something that helps you do something. Which would include creating certain files to makes "games."
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Characters can be considered "add-ons", but not "change the rules".
I said that in a very bad way... I meant to change how KFM plays, or in other words the basic "rules" of the game. Each character's abilities, hitboxes, ect could also could be considered different "rulesets" of what you can do. That's the strategy game buff in me speaking, though.
If none of that made sense, don't bother...



I don't mean to do something as stupid and pointless as to debate syntax and definitions. Just jumping on the bandwagon of voicing my views of what Mugen is and isn't.  ::)

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#20  March 14, 2008, 08:56:01 am
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This is always a silly argument. =p

Mugen is generally considered an engine by those that want to look at it more serious.
Considered a game by casual people. It's all in how a person looks at it and really shouldn't be such a big issue for debate.

It's an engine cause it would be silly for people to argue about a game so much xD

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#21  March 14, 2008, 09:07:36 am
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It's an engine to elitists and a game to communists. ;P
Let's stick to the juicy middle and call it a game engine. Can't we all be friends? :)
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#22  March 14, 2008, 09:16:51 am
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Exactly as P.o.t.S said.

ITS EVEN IN THE DAMN README

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What MUGEN?
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MUGEN is a 2D fighting game engine, but you probably knew that already.
MUGEN is also an acroymn for something, but we forgot what it is. :)
We created MUGEN not only to make a fighting game, but also to let
others create their own fighting games.  You can control almost every
aspect of the engine to suit your tastes.  That's the primary goal of
MUGEN.  Since this is a work in progress, there are many things that
it can and cannot do, but here's a short list of some of the things
you can do...


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#23  March 14, 2008, 10:26:28 am
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game to communists

Oh noes, communists! Quick crush them beneath the capilist regime! Crush them i say!

I refuse to take this topic at all seriously now.


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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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Cyanide said, March 14, 2008, 10:32:01 am
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game to communists

Oh noes, communists! Quick crush them beneath the capilist regime! Crush them i say!

I refuse to take this topic at all seriously now.

just now ?

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#28  March 14, 2008, 08:03:30 pm
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Why can't we just pretend it never existed and move on to do more interesting things such as dating, go shopping, spending a nice afternoon in the park with your beloved one, having fun with friends, practice sports and such?

Mugen is way past it's time. Let us just leave it and let it die it's honorable death.
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Bia said, March 14, 2008, 08:03:30 pm
Why can't we just pretend it never existed and move on to do more interesting things such as dating, go shopping, spending a nice afternoon in the park with your beloved one, having fun with friends, practice sports and such?

because we have no lifes  ::)
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#30  March 14, 2008, 11:14:13 pm
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#31  March 15, 2008, 01:26:32 am
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Bia said, March 14, 2008, 08:03:30 pm
Why can't we just pretend it never existed and move on to do more interesting things such as dating, go shopping, spending a nice afternoon in the park with your beloved one, having fun with friends, practice sports and such?
I do not find any of those more fun than Mugen (except maybe dating and friends).

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#32  March 16, 2008, 05:45:08 pm
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Mugen is certainly a game. A game with much downloadable content, but a game nonetheless. Kung Fu Man (The character, not the other one) ensures it is so. As user created mods and maps are to Half-Life 2, so are all the characters people make for Mugen.
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#33  March 16, 2008, 06:10:01 pm
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Mugen is an engine but you can call it a game once you download characters and stages, pieces from different games.

Hence the name game engine.

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insanitarium said, March 16, 2008, 05:45:08 pm
Mugen is certainly a game. A game with much downloadable content, but a game nonetheless. Kung Fu Man (The character, not the other one) ensures it is so. As user created mods and maps are to Half-Life 2, so are all the characters people make for Mugen.

You can't count HL2 because HL2 can be played as a stand alone game. Mugen requires user made content to be made for it for it to be playable. KFM and the two stages that come with Mugen aren't at all "part of the engine", just used by it.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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well..mugen is an Engine(run) with you can PLay, or createadd/test chars ,stages...
just that...
....simple...
about HL, and others....Doom is a game, and with the addons, mods(when ID gave the open code) are modifies, new levels and other things...PLAy and create, and RUn...
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#36  March 22, 2008, 04:23:13 pm
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Nope, Mugen is a game and Kung Fu Man and the 2 stages ensure it is so. While they may be packaged the same way as user created content, they come with the game and so are part of it. Mugen "creators" are really just glorified modders.
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#37  March 22, 2008, 09:29:20 pm
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That's like saying the Playstation has a built in game because it came with a demo disk.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

Ohsky

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#38  March 23, 2008, 03:14:43 am
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Another way to put the evidence:

People should Imagine mugen as a simple white place where u can write or paint what u want to.


Every game that was made was a painting, a product subjected to a set of very clear rules, while mugen was only a very clear set of rules from where you can create another very clear set of tules, is the pencil an colors to be used to do something, adding as a final ingredient the subjetive creativity of one or more individuals.

Mugen was never a game, kfm and his stage was added as a template of some short, run mugen without any creation, and see the results, or take kfm and his stage as a game; it could be 25 yrs ago, but not now. Unless you are a freak out of my list, you can do it freely, whoa.

Art, a way to made oneself more incomprehensible to the machines, jajaja.
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Jessica Smoke said, March 17, 2008, 05:50:16 pm
well..mugen is an Engine(run) with you can PLay, or createadd/test chars ,stages...
just that...
....simple...
about HL, and others....Doom is a game, and with the addons, mods(when ID gave the open code) are modifies, new levels and other things...PLAy and create, and RUn...

Well, Doom is a game built on the engine they also call Doom. Half Life 2 is buiilt on an Engine Valve calls Source. Unreal Tournament is built on a engine called... well, the UT Engine.

So the Doom Engine, Valve Source, and the UT Engine is comparable to mugen/winmugen.exe and the coding standard

But Doom: the Game, Half-Life 2, and Unreal Tournament is comparable to the data folder, the chars folder, and the stages folder, which may or may not hold the default game which the engine runs.
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#41  March 23, 2008, 03:35:46 am
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#42  March 23, 2008, 03:42:17 am
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

Ohsky

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#43  March 23, 2008, 05:54:02 am
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P.o.t.S. said, March 23, 2008, 03:31:25 am
ITT people spending pointless arguments that would've otherwise ended up in other threads.


You are only respected by saying that by the fact you have done good chars. Call that human cruelty. Not anything deserved to be taken seriously.
Last Edit: March 23, 2008, 06:00:38 am by Ohsky

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#44  March 23, 2008, 07:23:21 am
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People take some things a little too seriously, let's just play mugen and call it a day...
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