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Requests in release argument topic
#1  September 21, 2011, 05:41:28 am
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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#2  September 21, 2011, 05:11:23 pm
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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#3  September 21, 2011, 05:21:21 pm
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Don't tell him. He should get used to the fact that you can't request where to get other characters in the releases thread.

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#4  September 21, 2011, 05:37:31 pm
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I dont see the harm in answering when someone has the answer the requests section has so many requests as it is without more stacking up..but if it's frowned on i wont next time.

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#5  September 21, 2011, 05:58:30 pm
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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#6  September 22, 2011, 01:05:33 am
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Orochi Gill said, September 21, 2011, 05:58:30 pm
You don't know how this forum works do you
No i just come from a time where helping someone meant something on a forum and wasn't a status thing locked up in a request section.

Logic says if someone has the answer and willing to give it then why cant they?
Not everyone hangs out in the request section answering questions to where said item has come from and this one was on a niconico video site so took some finding if you dont fully understand japanese.

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#7  September 22, 2011, 04:35:46 am
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Releases section is for releases; Request section if for requests.

Is too keep things in order.

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#8  September 22, 2011, 05:27:08 am
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I've not found one rule on this forum that says i cant answer another member in a post in any section.

Or are these rules being made up by members as we go?

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#9  September 22, 2011, 06:03:47 am
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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#10  September 22, 2011, 06:22:39 am
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#11  September 22, 2011, 06:27:12 am
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Redbackdeath, if someone in a release thread wants to know what the character/stage is in a screenshot that's not the character being released, they can post here if they really want to know.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=62299.0

I mean that is what the request section is for and it's so the release threads don't get cluttered with requests. Now if they want to know who the author a character/stage in the release section, no harm in telling them, but if they want the link to the character itself, just send the person a PM or they can ask in in the thread I linked to in the request section.

Now don't get mad because it's not really a big deal, but the people in the thread are just letting you know. So no harm done okay.

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#12  September 22, 2011, 06:51:50 am
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First off the guy didn't really come out and request anything he did ask he would like to know but that dont mean anyone had to or was forced to answer.

It's common courtesy to help someone if you can no mater what section not common sense like was claimed here.

There is over 413 pages in the request where a item is then  pages of members then requesting for items that are in the 413 page item request section...to me that's not oragnized it's just crazy when it takes a few seconds to help someone if you have the answer they need.

Just because there is a reqest section dont mean you cant just guide a member to where something may be just to help it's things like that that helps a community grow but alot of times all i see is abuse or go to the request section you fool there is no need for that talk unless your a jackass.

Dont get mad...that's quite funny because i'm not mad at all just no sense in being told to not do something that's not againest the rules.

If the poster doesn't want to say where the item is what is stopping them from just saying (no sorry i cant do that)..one post simple and to the point.

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#13  September 22, 2011, 08:20:20 am
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REDBACKDEATH said, September 22, 2011, 06:51:50 am
First off the guy didn't really come out and request anything he did ask he would like to know but that dont mean anyone had to or was forced to answer.

It's common courtesy to help someone if you can no mater what section not common sense like was claimed here.

There is over 413 pages in the request where a item is then  pages of members then requesting for items that are in the 413 page item request section...to me that's not oragnized it's just crazy when it takes a few seconds to help someone if you have the answer they need.

Just because there is a reqest section dont mean you cant just guide a member to where something may be just to help it's things like that that helps a community grow but alot of times all i see is abuse or go to the request section you fool there is no need for that talk unless your a jackass.

Dont get mad...that's quite funny because i'm not mad at all just no sense in being told to not do something that's not againest the rules.

If the poster doesn't want to say where the item is what is stopping them from just saying (no sorry i cant do that)..one post simple and to the point.
you better understand what the other members saying

stop being childish..

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#14  September 22, 2011, 10:06:33 am
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Another reason for not doing requests and ask people to go to Requests if they're interested is because, if they get used to requesting things in Found Releases and get answered, they may start doing it outside of that area (aka Your Releases, where creators that are here post their creations), and that is disrespectful to that creator. If you were a creator, would you like to see people that, instead of commenting about your character, they start making requests of the other you show in the screenshot like mere leechers? Personally, I would want that person out of my thread.

All threads in Releases are about commenting the character/stage/etc that has been released/updated, or providing it with feedback. Requests, as the name says, is for Requests. New users don't know that sometimes, so that's why they normally learn this after requesting for the first time outside the designated area, when we report them and their post is moved. We don't report them to screw them, we do that so they get used to the fact this this is not correct and that way they fit in this forum as soon as possible. And if you think the Requests section is not organized, then you're wrong. The huge thread you talk about is only to confirm if a character exists or not, not for requesting. That's all. After doing that, you create or update your Request thread to ask for the thing you want to get. All members can create only one thread there and it's enough to do different requests. Just update the title then post the new request.

You're right now trying to justify your "White Knight" actions even though you were completely wrong. Asking about where to find something is the same as requesting. We reported the post so it would be moved to the "Where to find it?" thread so it would be answered there, which is the correct area, and a place where it will probably be answered. You could have sent him a PM or wait until it was moved to answer him there, and that would have been enough. Try to do this next time, please. If you continue to stick with the "I was not wrong" here, you most likely won't earn any respect from us.

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#15  September 22, 2011, 10:39:39 am
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This is so funny..One member says i'm childish yet says it as a threat
The other member then tries to give me a lecture and says i'm wrong yet no rule has been broken in my helping except some rule some of you members want to abide by that you seemed to make up.

I've been in mugen from the start of when it was first created and been in the mugen comunnity long before even most of you so i've seen the good and the bad as time went by so who are you to tell me what i should and shouldn't do when no rule is broken.

Childish is thinking you control the running of this forum and until said rule is put in place saying i cant help a member i dont see how you can stop me.

"quote by Nanashi_1337" Your Releases, where creators that are here post their creations), and that is disrespectful to that creator. If you were a creator, would you like to see people that, instead of commenting about your character, they start making requests of the other you show in the screenshot like mere leechers?

Yet if you look this is the Found releases section of the forum where you usually dont find the creator posting their creation so saying it efects the creator when they dont even post here seems redunant as an agreement.

"quote by Nanashi_1337"The huge thread you talk about is only to confirm if a character exists or not, not for requesting. That's all. After doing that, you create or update your Request thread to ask for the thing you want to get.

Said thread your talking about has people posting the links to charaters stages screenpacks and so on so to say they aren't requesting when they really are seems to speak for itself.

"quote by Nanashi_1337"You're right now trying to justify your "White Knight" actions even though you were completely wrong. Asking about where to find something is the same as requesting. We reported the post so it would be moved to the "Where to find it?" thread so it would be answered there, which is the correct area, and a place where it will probably be answered.

So i'm wrong? and you reported someone for not breaking the rules to have his post moved to the requests even though he already has his answer because i spent my time in helping him?
Serious is this what you do go around finding posts to move because someone helps them?

Your words are it was moved so he could find what he asked for lol crazy when he has his answer.

and White Knight" that's a cool thought but not what i'm trying to do, there is no harm in helping not one person because i i said where to find it but all the members that may be looking for it also.

It's really strange just how single minded this community has become over the years since i've been away.
And that some members that aren't even mods believe they can dictate rules that dont exist and have us all follow them like sheep.

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#16  September 22, 2011, 11:03:09 am
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REDBACKDEATH said, September 22, 2011, 10:39:39 am
I've been in mugen from the start of when it was first created and been in the mugen comunnity long before even most of you so i've seen the good and the bad as time went by so who are you to tell me what i should and shouldn't do when no rule is broken

Childish is thinking you control the running of this forum and until said rule is put in place saying i cant help a member i dont see how you can stop me.

Look, even if the rule doesn't exist, that's how it works here. If you've been so much in this community, you would know it's not correct to request things in the Releases section. Why do you think mods move such posts when they're posted? Obviously, because they're not in the right section. Something everybody knows if they have been in the community as long as you.

REDBACKDEATH said, September 22, 2011, 10:39:39 am
Yet if you look this is the Found releases section of the forum where you usually dont find the creator posting their creation so saying it efects the creator when they dont even post here seems redunant as an agreement.

It still doesn't belong to this place. You don't release MUGEN content in All That's Left, right? If that happens, we report it so it is moved to the correct section. And I put an example about what would happen if they got used to it and do it in other areas. Did you read that part?

REDBACKDEATH said, September 22, 2011, 10:39:39 am
Said thread your talking about has people posting the links to charaters stages screenpacks and so on so to say they aren't requesting when they really are seems to speak for itself.

Well, duh. It's a place to ask where to find something. If such thing is online, they will give you a link to said thing. If it's offline, they will tell you so, and then it's your turn to create/update your thread in that section. The same in case something is just a WIP or a fake screenshot. That tells me you've never been in the Requests section, did you?

REDBACKDEATH said, September 22, 2011, 10:39:39 am
So i'm wrong? and you reported someone for not breaking the rules to have his post moved to the requests even though he already has his answer because i spent my time in helping him?
Serious is this what you do go around finding posts to move because someone helps them?

I reported the post before you answered, you know? Then you answered him. I don't know what mods will do now that you answered. And you see reporting something as a bad thing, which makes no sense.

REDBACKDEATH said, September 22, 2011, 10:39:39 am
and White Knight" that's a cool thought but not what i'm trying to do, there is no harm in helping not one person because i i said where to find it but all the members that may be looking for it also.

The White Knight attitude is simple:

- They defend someone even though they didn't ask for it, or said person they defend does not even know such thing is happening.
- 100% of the times this has been done, said person they defend is wrong, or at least something they did is wrong. They claim said person is correct while saying the others are just biased or just mere bullies.
- Even if they make the entire community go against them, they're still right in their POV. After all, how can they be wrong, they're protecting someone!

REDBACKDEATH said, September 22, 2011, 10:39:39 am
It's really strange just how single minded this community has become over the years since i've been away.
And that some members that aren't even mods believe they can dictate rules that dont exist and have us all follow them like sheep.

Things change. Get used to the changes. And this community is not single-minded, seriously. Guess you've really been out for a long time.

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Re: Requests in release argument topic
#17  September 22, 2011, 11:12:14 am
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Requesting for a character in a release thread is rude.

If I release a character with a screenshot of said character along with another character, and people start requesting the other character, that is rude. Nobody should do it, even if it's a found release.

Also, everything doesn't need to be in the rules for it to be a custom. The rules are guidelines of how you should behave on the forum, some of them are set in stone, but every thing doesn't need to be mentioned. That's outrageous.

Learn how this forum works before you get all offensive and defensive. Look how you've messed this topic up.

Don't ever feed someone's request in a release topic again; instead, send them a personal message, report them, and/or advise them that they're being rude.

We have a request section for a requests. If you have a request, use the request section. There's nothing else to say about this issue.

You're wrong. Your argument is completely invalid and I want you to stop this senseless argument based off of your ignorance.

Many normal users are also capable of telling you the customs of this forum, and no one needs to be a moderator to moderate you. Please keep in mind that you don't get to disregard advisement from any user just because they aren't moderators. If a lot of people are telling you the customs and rules and that you're breaking them, then you probably are and you should stop and consult the rules sections.

This post is not for you to dispute. If you have further complaints, please use the feedback area or report me to an administrator. If you have something to say to me directly, please utilize the personal message system and I would be glad to clear up any of your confusion around this issue.

Do not continue arguing in this thread. This is the release area. This is for talking about this release. Use the feedback area for complaints on policy.

Cheers, Rajaa.

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#18  September 22, 2011, 03:20:59 pm
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I split off the topic and moved it to feedback. Continue to keep arguing now! ;D

Hope you're not mad about this Rajaa, since you mentioned "bringing it up in feedback" as an option, and literally every reply from that topic had nothing to do with the release.

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#19  September 22, 2011, 03:31:34 pm
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Wait... it looks like the argument is for 2 different things here.

Am I understanding this correctly? Someone asked where to get x character in the release section. So someone else posts the link to get said character for them.

So what is the problem here?

The person asking the question broke the rule. You shouldn't be asking for characters in a release thread. Now I suppose the request could have been answered via PM but I do think the reaction to giving the link for the character is a bit harsh. It's one thing to tell a person not to request in a release. That's a rule that makes sense, without it releases could become a big request board.

BUT I don't see why you should jump onto someone for giving the link. Yes he could have did that in private instead. But that's a bit stepping on eggshells where you have to think "Oh crap, if I help this person I'll get in trouble by people". When probably he just happened to see the thread, saw that post and casually decided to post the link for the person.

This isn't a serious business offense. It was a casual aid assistance from someone that likes to play mugen to another. The most that should have been said was maybe "Next time PM the person to not add more off topic posting to the thread". And that should come from a moderator. He didn't deserve the mob attack mentality for such a trivial thing.

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#20  September 22, 2011, 03:44:18 pm
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that.

this topic is completely overblown.

if anybody needed to be scolded it was the guy who asked for the character.

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#21  September 22, 2011, 11:19:50 pm
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Just No Point said, September 22, 2011, 03:31:34 pm
This isn't a serious business offense. It was a casual aid assistance from someone that likes to play mugen to another. The most that should have been said was maybe "Next time PM the person to not add more off topic posting to the thread". And that should come from a moderator. He didn't deserve the mob attack mentality for such a trivial thing.

No kidding...everything after this

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=134181.msg1430226#msg1430226

 is uncalled for.  He explained he was trying to help and said he wouldnt do it again.  There was no reason for anyone else to come in with an attitude.

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#22  September 22, 2011, 11:52:57 pm
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#23  September 23, 2011, 01:01:47 am
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#24  September 26, 2011, 12:08:26 am
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Anyone ever think about just, oh I don't know, talk to someone like this as if they are were human when confronting them? I understand that you guys dislike him arguing that he wants to ask for characters in releases but it can be done in friendlier ways.

@Deathnintendo: If we allowed ppl to request for characters in a release thread then the release threads would be swamped with requests. Creators share their work to get feedback. Not to share other characters they have along with their own. In the past this really became an issue so now the forums simply don't allow it.
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