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#1  November 27, 2007, 05:08:00 pm
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It is with great sadness that I post this, this was not to be spoiled until the near end of the project. However, with Reu gone, there won't be any progress with this project. We will respect that this is Reuben's work, and that with his death, it will be untouched.

Reu wanted to create a character based on Grayfox from the Metal Gear Solid series and came up with a concept for it. How much he finished, I do not know. Ladies and Gentlemen, Reu gives you, Project 2, the unfinished project.



Project 2: Project 2 has a Sword that actually is two swords, they are positioned like "i!" that inside the "shelter".
There was supposed to be two modes for Project 2. One, where he was fighting with his fists, and a second one where you would use the swords. These two modes were supposed to be changed to by pressing the TAUNT button, which in most cases is referred to as the START button. He had planned to use above 7000 sprites for Project 2 if I recall correctly, and with that, become the smoothest character ever created for M.U.G.E.N.

In-game screenshot: Project 2, and his playmate Dragon Claw.



Swords inside the "shelter", placed above eachother.
(Sorry about the graphics, made it in MS Paint.)


I took an In-game picture where you can see how the swords are positioned. From the Jump animation.




Walking Backwards.



That's it...

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Last Edit: November 30, 2007, 02:37:56 am by Shadow
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#2  November 27, 2007, 05:17:23 pm
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He always did have a thing for creating very unique and original characters...
Just for the way you describe some of his move sounded incredible...and I am sure the AI was next to incredible too.
May this project rest with Reu.
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#3  November 27, 2007, 06:00:53 pm
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7000 Sprites??! :speechless: :stars:
That character would probably take 50 megabytes or more just for sprites!! O.o

But.....7000....Now THAT'S pure unique.
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#4  November 27, 2007, 06:41:49 pm
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This thread reminds me: There was a song Reu let me listen to, and when I got it, he mentioned that it was "For my ears only", and, I think, he said that it was for a flash game someone else was making (sorry, it's been a while).

But, to make sure, "Battle Above Imperial City" isn't available anywhere else, is it? If it isn't, I'll upload it. It was a really good music piece, and the one that actually made me go "Wow, I should check out his other music."

And, I don't really know how far he went, but I did get to test a very, very early version of his Samus. Nothing that playable, but this was when I was helping him work out what Samus could do. I still have it, though. Some sprites from his Grey Fox-based character can be seen, and the only sprites Samus had were her stance, walk, and crouch.

I'm not trying to brag here, it's just that, with his death, I figured I might as well reveal some stuff. Personally, I was very surprised when he asked me to test out his very early Samus, as long as I didn't tell anyone.
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#5  November 27, 2007, 11:32:57 pm
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the things he planned were truly amazing. while i am new to mugen and its community, its not hard to see what Reu tried and succeeded in. he truly pushed the engine to the limits, with actual 3D models like that.
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#6  November 27, 2007, 11:35:52 pm
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the things he planned were truly amazing. while i am new to mugen and its community, its not hard to see what Reu tried and succeeded in. he truly pushed the engine to the limits, with actual 3D models like that.

I totally agree with that...He put alot of effort into his Character's and his Music.. :)
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#7  November 27, 2007, 11:49:05 pm
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Do you have a screenie of the sword within a sword.  The in game shot shown isn't very descriptive.


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#8  November 28, 2007, 12:17:06 am
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the things he planned were truly amazing. while i am new to mugen and its community, its not hard to see what Reu tried and succeeded in. he truly pushed the engine to the limits, with actual 3D models like that.

I totally agree with that...He put alot of effort into his Character's and his Music.. :)
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he is not really over 200 years old lol.

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wow i think someone should really try to finish this guy.

also Shadow will Reu's website will still be maintained?

since i heard you are a close friend of his.
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#9  November 28, 2007, 12:19:24 am
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in respect for reu i dont think P2 should be finished
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#10  November 28, 2007, 12:22:06 am
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You really think Reu would want his character un-finish?  ???
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#11  November 28, 2007, 12:25:16 am
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in respect for reu i dont think P2 should be finished
I kinda agree with both of you...on one side,as a respect for his creator,this should be left untouched,as if someone else tries to finish it,it would not be very well seeing(it will look like "virtual Grave robbing")
On the other side,it`d be a shame that all the effort and time Reu gave to this character is now useless as he won`t be ever finished...mixed reaction indeed...  --;

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#12  November 28, 2007, 12:29:34 am
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in the end, no matter if and who makes it, nobody will be able to make as reu wanted, such is the nature of a person's work. there is no and there will not be a project2.
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#13  November 28, 2007, 12:31:03 am
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ITT, people wonder if it's OK to finish the char even if they don't have what was done to begin with.
Also, people worry about his creations at all instead of... OK, nevermind, I'm pissing in a violin here.

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Shadow mentionned a couple of times that the site would remain as it is.
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#14  November 28, 2007, 12:36:07 am
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Why even reveal it?  He planned to keep it secret until it came out, and since it can't come out, this is very disrespectful, in my opinion.   Especially Panzermanathod revealing stuff he told him not to.


But 'eh, you both knew him better then I, so whatever.
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#15  November 28, 2007, 12:38:28 am
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It wasn't exactly secret, he mentionned it a few times. There were topics on his forum where he discussed about it, and he posted about it here when he was making up the base concept.
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#16  November 28, 2007, 12:40:36 am
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It wasn't exactly secret, he mentionned it a few times. There were topics on his forum where he discussed about it, and he posted about it here when he was making up the base concept.

My comment was mostly in regards to stuff like

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But, to make sure, "Battle Above Imperial City" isn't available anywhere else, is it? If it isn't, I'll upload it. It was a really good music piece, and the one that actually made me go "Wow, I should check out his other music."

I mean, its disrespectful the his wishes, and obviously he wanted to keep it secret, at least somewhat.
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#17  November 28, 2007, 12:42:19 am
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That'll depend on what happened to the flash game I suppose. Something none of us can know. So yeah, agree about that :P
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#18  November 28, 2007, 12:49:37 am
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yeah...i was about to post the same thing...that would be disrespectful to Reu`s wishes on distributing the song...you can make a youtube video with the song on it if you want it to be at least shared with our ears...altough i don`t recommend uploading it...
We are going a little over off-topic here...that`s my point of view now --;

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#19  November 28, 2007, 01:01:54 am
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I don't see anything wrong discussing it and marveling at the overall detail and sprites that went into just the stance of th character.

I could only imagine how it looks gameplay wise.

Sadly I never will but even a short glimpse is inspireing of his abiltys.

Let's not argue over finish this, upload that.

But just enjoy his artistry overall and worry about these kinda things years and years later down the road.
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#20  November 28, 2007, 01:16:54 am
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I couldn`t have said it better than you DMK...let`s enjoy part of Reu`s legacy instead of discussing if "someone should complete this" or "upload that"...or even "send me the work files plz" --;

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#21  November 28, 2007, 01:21:13 am
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... Am I the only one who thinks this is very, very wrong?
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#23  November 28, 2007, 01:26:56 am
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Reu loved his projects, it would be wrong to pick them up and crap them up, as wrong as taking his loved creations off the net
..we could however create a reproduction project... Project Reu, where we as a community would work together towards the goal of creating something to honour him.
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#24  November 28, 2007, 01:28:13 am
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it would of be nice to see it finished.

i but i don't mind not having the character. :P
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#25  November 28, 2007, 01:30:58 am
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Reu loved his projects, it would be wrong to pick them up and crap them up, as wrong as taking his loved creations off the net
..we could however create a reproduction project... Project Reu, where we as a community would work together towards the goal of creating something to honour him.

I can understand where you are coming from Iced but its a sort of mixed feeling I'm getting about this "we should finish what Reu started" issue we have here.

I am more towards not touching his works but still with the images, completed works (music and Mugen) and all of these tribute vids for him, we payed our respects towards the man and though out his available works, his legacy will live on regardless.

That should be enough there.
We all witnessed what he was capable of and it will never be forgotten.
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#26  November 28, 2007, 01:33:11 am
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You got me wrong.
I didnt said, finish this project of his.
I said, create a project as a community to give to him.
This one should remain as was.
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#27  November 28, 2007, 01:33:38 am
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... Am I the only one who thinks this is very, very wrong?
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Indeed, I mean it's hasnt been a week since Reu died and people are already "let's finish Reu's unfinihsed char!... in his honor of course".
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#28  November 28, 2007, 01:33:53 am
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@Iced, My mistake then, but still, what I said reflects towards what others said earlier.

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Sounds like the Perfect excuse someone would use to tamper with his materials. :P
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#29  November 28, 2007, 01:39:19 am
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However, with Reu gone, there won't be any progress with this project. We will respect that this is Reuben's work, and that with his death, it will be untouched.


Well, Shadow never said he was going to give the files to anyone so i see no point in arguing about what to do with something that is never going to be released.  :)

And yes, it's a shame the project will remain unfinished, but no one would make it as well as Reu or the way he wanted it, it's better to the project to remain unfinished.
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#31  November 28, 2007, 02:11:33 am
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Why? because they're talking about him or his "secret" projects?

I think Iced made very clear the community should join to make a project in his honor, not Project 2.

It's pretty fucking clear no-one can ever finish his works as ... well, given that there are rippable sprites and still characters aren't made, why would anyone bother copying Reu's desing and model 7000 sprites?

It's unrealistic, nothing to be alarmed about, and over-reactive. Take a chill pill nuggas
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#32  November 28, 2007, 02:20:15 am
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#33  November 28, 2007, 02:24:36 am
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Walt, we can't really argue too much about this kind of stuff because everyone reacts different to events like this. Personally, I consider some questions raised in this thread a bit inappropriate given the short time since his death... but that's my very humble opinion.

I would say, at least let the waters calm down more before thinking about tributes and stuff like that. Given the state of shock of many members because of the news some acts could be taken in a circumspect way (like the tribute project being taken as marketing and so on).

Yeah, I know is over-reactive, but it could happen.
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#34  November 28, 2007, 02:31:09 am
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It would have been best to not mention these. Not in this community. Nobody could finish it like he wanted it done unless he'd left instructions for such for someone else. And last I checked that didn't happen.

This is beyond the point of fucking absurd. People cashing in on his death pimping their sites or OMG RARE CHARS with his name as an excuse, the combo vid crap, it's all fucking crap. It doesn't matter in the end, it's not long term, it's just a bunch of motherfucking bullshit! This isn't how you tribute or remember someone. He wasn't just some mugen joe and only that for fuck's sake.

This topic is disrespectful.
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#35  November 28, 2007, 02:35:02 am
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It was obvious the idea would be brought up, and the answer to it is equally obvious.

This topic is not disrespectful, of course after a person's death you look at what he was working on and think "too bad it's never finished". But in case you didn't notice, this kind of thing never got Reu even remotely upset, people asking about how his characters went always got a friendly, empty reply, nothing more than a verbal smile.

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It would have been best to not mention these. Not in this community.

Oh what drama.

You people should stop defining "respectful" for others.
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#36  November 28, 2007, 02:41:41 am
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I'm fine with people mentioning info we already know (Project 2 as an example) but Panzermanathod saying "Oh, I'll upload something that he told me to keep secret" is wrong.
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#37  November 28, 2007, 02:55:05 am
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Who can make characters like Reu's works? I'm not sure...

Also, I'm very sad because "project 2" will be not finished, forever.  :'(
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#38  November 28, 2007, 03:09:32 am
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This is beyond the point of fucking absurd. People cashing in on his death pimping their sites or OMG RARE CHARS with his name as an excuse, the combo vid crap, it's all fucking crap. It doesn't matter in the end, it's not long term, it's just a bunch of motherfucking bullshit! This isn't how you tribute or remember someone.
Where? what did I miss?

Combo videos? what does anyone gain/earn/win from this? I would make one if I knew how to. I respected the guy, I'm not making a documentary on his life, since I didn't know him, or have any more pictures of him; his Mugen creations and music are all we had in common with him... mashing them up together doesn't seem disrespectful or farfetched.

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#39  November 28, 2007, 03:11:11 am
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The topic isn't disrespectful. I don't think the questions are either.

The arguing is however.

No one can finish the new project, the sprites were never even finished.
Even if they were I think all the material necessary to create the character should remain offline, which as far as I know... it is.

Please stop arguing in this thread. Feel free to discuss what Reu accomplished, and what could have been.

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Sounds like Reu was once again going to outdo himself. I would have loved to try out P2 and Samus, I am sure they would have been more of a breakthrough than his other works.
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#40  November 28, 2007, 04:06:47 am
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For the people who either forgot or never knew, Reu's P2 was a publicly announced work in progress.  He posted progress and ideas to brainstorm maybe a year ago.


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#41  November 28, 2007, 04:11:56 am
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i believe the best way of honoring reu would be by working on something original, but above all, actually enjoying mugen like he did.
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#42  November 28, 2007, 04:18:46 am
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....naaahh. :baby:


Well, I'm sure he's looking down on us and laughing about this right now in a slightly belitteling but in no way disrespective way... "oh, those guys." ^_^

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#43  November 28, 2007, 04:39:30 am
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I actualy thought this was from his forum even the screenshot.  :S

And of course we all knew about Samus being made.

Discussing about his art and creations shouldn't be a bad thing.

Just some toke a few steps past the border then should of been.

Fun to imagine what could of been.

Now making some to honor him would be fun to see from the more creative artist around the MUGEN community.
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#44  November 28, 2007, 05:25:02 am
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With all due respect, we (everyone but Reu) should leave his works (and works in progress) alone. If they're his works alone, they should stay that way.

It's courtesy, not posterity.
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#45  November 28, 2007, 05:27:29 am
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I guess I won't upload that song then. Whatever. At least the arguing got snuffed out.
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#46  November 28, 2007, 07:36:18 am
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I said, create a project as a community...

Project management would be a great undertaking in itself for something like that.
I'd hate to manage a workflow like that.

As a side note, I am interested in learning the rigging-techniques he used to maintain the axis that he used.
i think we should call it an "engine" so we don't look like total idiots because otherwise we'd be arguing about a "game" and that would be somehow "dumber" than arguing about an "engine" on the "internet" for countless hours

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#47  November 28, 2007, 09:52:28 am
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Okay, two people mention "finishing his project" in the first page, then two pages full of people saying "no, don't", and it's immediately labelled drama and disrespect and what do you have.

Argument ? I see none. In the last two pages, everyone seemed to agree with each other. Just that some find it funny to tell people to chill.
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#48  November 28, 2007, 11:45:38 am
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the things he planned were truly amazing. while i am new to mugen and its community, its not hard to see what Reu tried and succeeded in. he truly pushed the engine to the limits, with actual 3D models like that.

I totally agree with that...He put alot of effort into his Character's and his Music.. :)
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#49  November 28, 2007, 02:07:57 pm
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Forgive me for speaking out of turn, but I honestly feel that anyone that decides to finish Reu's project would only be doing so to gain recognition in the community. It just doesn't seem right. Reu's (recent) work was his and his alone, and no one should have the right to gain fame from a dead guy's work. Period.

Add the fact that both DragonClaw and Project2 are original works, and IIRC, even the new rules of this forum should prevent them from being altered and re-released, shouldn't they?
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#50  November 28, 2007, 02:39:10 pm
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I'm thankfull you Shadow to show us what Reu was capable of. It's tuly shame he didn't finish that. It's should remain how it is. His works should stay untouched. 
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#52  November 28, 2007, 04:05:26 pm
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not everything that is shown/ you are able to see is open for requesting works to be finished...consider this thread as a hidden gallery that got revealed, none should finish his works, only him was the one to have a plan and ideas on how to make those chars, even those chars wouldn't like to end up differently from what was intended , respect the guy and admire what were his last unfinished works without saying if only they were finished..., AND try to remember him for what he was as a human, not as a roxchars factory

and trying to prove points (also called arguing) for self's honor/desires/whatever here is so disrespectful

also what is said about the exception in rules for his works is right
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#53  November 28, 2007, 04:10:42 pm
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Forgive me for speaking out of turn, but I honestly feel that anyone that decides to finish Reu's project would only be doing so to gain recognition in the community. It just doesn't seem right. Reu's (recent) work was his and his alone, and no one should have the right to gain fame from a dead guy's work. Period.

Great. I'm glad we finally established that. :rugoi:

Anyone else want to paraphrase that, for the tenth time? Feel free to.
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#54  November 28, 2007, 04:21:35 pm
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Valodim, I think the title of the thread threw a lot of us off. I know that it was meant to simply showcase the creator's works that are unfinished. However, regardless of what this thread is for, there are some that wish to finish what he started. That is why I posted what I did. I don't think it was inappropriate, but sorry if that's what was inferred.
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#55  November 28, 2007, 06:24:41 pm
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Valodim, I think the title of the thread threw a lot of us off. I know that it was meant to simply showcase the creator's works that are unfinished. However, regardless of what this thread is for, there are some that wish to finish what he started. That is why I posted what I did. I don't think it was inappropriate, but sorry if that's what was inferred.

And it should come to a close as well.

As it was said earlier, the thread was mistaken for something else instead of its intended purpose, to my understanding it was to reveal what Reu had in store for Mugen, thats all. Now we have an endless argument of people stressing their points just to get the final word.

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#56  November 28, 2007, 06:46:44 pm
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Add the fact that both DragonClaw and Project2 are original works, and IIRC, even the new rules of this forum should prevent them from being altered and re-released, shouldn't they?

Leave the rules out of it. Even if I was fully able to, I wouldn't finish his works, and the rules would have nothing to do with that.

What I'm saying is that if you want to go by your morals, don't fall back on "also, because other people said so..." as well.
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#57  November 28, 2007, 07:07:16 pm
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Sounds like Reu was once again going to outdo himself. I would have loved to try out P2 and Samus, I am sure they would have been more of a breakthrough than his other works.

Agreed. I also think P2 and Samus would have been a lot more balanced than his other works. All of the corny "cheap characters get pwned!!1" videos and the hardcore criticisms are definetely good fuel for improvement. Indeed it looks like Reu was going to outdo himself.  :)
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#58  November 28, 2007, 08:59:20 pm
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Okay, two people mention "finishing his project" in the first page, then two pages full of people saying "no, don't", and it's immediately labelled drama and disrespect and what do you have.

Argument ? I see none. In the last two pages, everyone seemed to agree with each other. Just that some find it funny to tell people to chill.

If I were to die I WOULD want someone to finish my WIP character.  Then in the readme just make mention to me and say thanks.   But that's just my opinion.  ;D  Everyone has a different opinion.  His current project looked awesome.
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#59  November 28, 2007, 09:17:44 pm
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Leave the rules out of it. Even if I was fully able to, I wouldn't finish his works, and the rules would have nothing to do with that.

What I'm saying is that if you want to go by your morals, don't fall back on "also, because other people said so..." as well.

Even without the rules, I feel that it's just wrong to take a dead man's incomplete original work, alter it without his permission, and then release it if you weren't helping him with it since the very beginning. I'm not debating whether you or anyone else had plans on doing just that, but just stating my feelings on the matter. That would almost be like indirectly grave-robbing the guy.

Also, my mention of the rules was more of a question than anything, but if the rules did in fact state that 100% original works couldn't be altered, then why ignore them and do it anyway? Would that not be disrespectful to both Reu and the moderators of this forum?

Leave the rules out of it.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but do you mean to say that the rules shouldn't apply to you or anyone else in this case? The rules should be taken into consideration at all times, and I believe this to be especially true in this case.

And Val, with all due respect, that's just my opinion on the whole matter. Reu's name shouldn't be used to start someone else's "legacy". It shouldn't take for it to be said 10 times to get that point across.

In all honesty, I would have loved to see his new stuff too, but if he's no longer here to complete his own work, then no one else should attempt to do so while using the excuse "it's what he would've wanted". Unless he left behind a will CLEARLY stating otherwise, that's just bullshit.
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#60  November 28, 2007, 09:46:06 pm
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Leave the rules out of it. Even if I was fully able to, I wouldn't finish his works, and the rules would have nothing to do with that.

What I'm saying is that if you want to go by your morals, don't fall back on "also, because other people said so..." as well.

Even without the rules, I feel that it's just wrong to take a dead man's incomplete original work, alter it without his permission, and then release it if you weren't helping him with it since the very beginning.

That's *exactly* the point I was trying to make. "You" feel that it's wrong. I feel like that as well, pretty much. All I'm saying is that if you're going to talk about your morals and opinion on this situation, it's not necessary to bring about "rules" into this.

I'm not saying that rules don't apply to me, I'm saying that rules shouldn't apply to the matter at hand, only morals. It gets a bit impersonal when rules are brought in, at least in my own opinion.

It's like breaking into someone's house and stealing. I wouldn't do that because I believe it's wrong. Knowing it's illegal has very little bearing to my decision.

Forgive me if I came across as rude.
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If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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#61  November 28, 2007, 11:02:50 pm
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Wow, whining over 2 pictures.

At least we know what he had in store for us before he left us. It's not like he uploaded the file.
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#62  November 28, 2007, 11:08:18 pm
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As much as you guys may hate me for saying this.
But I believe that someone should help finish Reu's work.
Because as a Creator, I want everyone to ask yourself this question.

"If I die, will I be satisfy knowing my work is incomplete? Can I really rest knowing that it incomplete?"

Not many of you guys will agree with me, but think for yourself what is right or wrong.
As for me, I want Reu to be able to fulfill his vision, but since he dead.
Only we can fulfill it for him. He left us his previous creation so we should be able to get the concept.
I know alot of you guys are sad and depress, but we have to remain strong.
We can be his helper and help fulfill his vision. 

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#63  November 28, 2007, 11:13:45 pm
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Not a good idea, 7000 sprites already made? Not all artist art the design the same way either, if you follow me.

Besides, do you really want more whining? But i do understand where you are trying to get at.
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#64  November 28, 2007, 11:17:39 pm
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Okay, two people mention "finishing his project" in the first page, then two pages full of people saying "no, don't", and it's immediately labelled drama and disrespect and what do you have.

Argument ? I see none. In the last two pages, everyone seemed to agree with each other. Just that some find it funny to tell people to chill.

If I were to die I WOULD want someone to finish my WIP character.  Then in the readme just make mention to me and say thanks.   But that's just my opinion.  ;D  Everyone has a different opinion.  His current project looked awesome.
Any reason why you  quoted me ?

DizzySoldier : okay. Go on, finish the WIP.
... What, you can't finish it if you don't have what has already been made to work on ? OH SNAP, WE DON'T HAVE IT. Well damn ! Now can the question get lost.
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#65  November 28, 2007, 11:19:05 pm
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I know....7000 sprite is hard work, but this should not be only one person can do. It will take many people to work on it. Everybody should set aside their difference to help fulfill his vision. Whether it coding or giving feed back. I want it to be close or even perfect as what he have in his vision. Well this is what I believe anyway.

Baiken I know you want to ridicule me for this. But I want his vision to be reliaze. If we can somehow finish for him, wouldn't Reu be happy?
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#66  November 28, 2007, 11:19:48 pm
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#67  November 28, 2007, 11:23:04 pm
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If we can somehow finish for him, wouldn't Reu be happy?
Alright, what language do you understand best ? Is there a language for stupid people like you ?
If you don't have even the first sprite of P2, how can you finish it for him ?
And... No, even with people teaming up like you say, this isn't going to happen, you know it. It's not like people would actually team up at all to begin with, either, and you know it too. And even if anything started, this still wouldn't be "Project 2". We barely know what he looks like, we don't know his moves etc. It's stupid to talk about it. Steal the design and make something that looks like it, but that's all.
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#68  November 28, 2007, 11:30:59 pm
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I was hoping to appeal to Shadow since he the one who have it. Whether he gave it to us or not is in his hand. Baiken, if you want to see thing negatively. That up to you.  I only posting here in hope that people might finish Reu's work. Whether it be me or you.

But you are right, if we don't have one sprite of Reu creation, then Project 2 is dead and bury in the past with Reu's where it will never be finish. Reu's vision will never become reality.
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#69  November 28, 2007, 11:32:29 pm
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You are seriously getting on everyone's bad side now. Not gonna say it again.
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#70  November 28, 2007, 11:33:51 pm
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appeal to Shadow since he the one who have it.
But he doesn't have it ! He never said he had it ! He actually said on Reu's forum that he didn't have it. What on Earth made you bloody think he had it ?
2: With the death of Reu, all files are unobtainable as Reu worked his projects alone.
Hope to finish Reu's work... Yeah, one more character, downloading now. Right. Just download another one and stop beating a dead horse.

Someone dies and what people care about is "can someone finish his work". Come on. It's been said several times that this wasn't the point of this topic. Just be happy of what you see at all, then drop it.
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#71  November 28, 2007, 11:37:31 pm
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That being, its ridiculous to even go for something like that.

A tribute project is not out of the realm of possibility, recreating his personal characters? Too outlandish of an idea into execution.

No point pressing onto it.
His projects that werent with others are like so , gone.
There is no point arguing over what doesnt exist now, is there?
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#72  November 28, 2007, 11:39:45 pm
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If he doesn't have it, then that it. There nothing we can do unless someone is good with 3D modeling.
 
Val, I know what I'm saying is horrible but you should already understand that when someone die, they won't be happy knowing that their work is not complete.  If you don't understand.....then I'm not gonna say anything about this subject.
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#73  November 28, 2007, 11:41:58 pm
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when someone die, they won't be happy knowing that their work is not complete.
Someone dies, then he figures out he's not happy... How exactly does he do that ? He's dead.
You are not happy, there's a difference. Don't act as if you cared.
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#74  November 28, 2007, 11:45:59 pm
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Ask yourself this question Baiken. If you work so hard trying to make something and die because of a freak accident, will you be satisfy knowing that it not complete?

I will only say this one time and one time only. I know cuz I'm the lucky bastard that survive during Hurricane Katrina, and I'm happy that I can study and continue of what I do. While the other people who have die and not lucky couldn't. That is why I said of what I said.
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#75  November 28, 2007, 11:47:37 pm
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Ask yourself this question Baiken. If you work so hard trying to make something and die because of a freak accident, will you be satisfy knowing that it not complete?
Ask yourself the question, how would you be satisfied or dissatisfied if you're dead ? Stop making up stupid excuse.
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#76  November 28, 2007, 11:47:48 pm
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I'm sure he'd be fine with it not being finished.

Want to amek something like it? Go ahead. Try.

Leave his works as is.

I doubt everything of Walt Disneys was put to use..as hard as that is to belive.

Why should Reu's?

Look upon his death and just marvel at what could of been.

Not what needs to be done.
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#77  November 28, 2007, 11:48:27 pm
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ds just shut up >_> i really dont want to go off on a rant at how your only doing this for selfish means, so do everyone a favor and stop
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#78  November 28, 2007, 11:48:57 pm
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Leave the rules out of it. Even if I was fully able to, I wouldn't finish his works, and the rules would have nothing to do with that.

What I'm saying is that if you want to go by your morals, don't fall back on "also, because other people said so..." as well.

Even without the rules, I feel that it's just wrong to take a dead man's incomplete original work, alter it without his permission, and then release it if you weren't helping him with it since the very beginning.
I'm not saying that rules don't apply to me, I'm saying that rules shouldn't apply to the matter at hand, only morals. It gets a bit impersonal when rules are brought in, at least in my own opinion.
It shouldn't be personal in the first place.

A tribute idea is fine, finishing something they wanted to finish on their on, using the excuse "Oh, they'd be happier knowing it is finished" is terrible.   Especially if they do a terrible job on it, leaving their work not done correctly.
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#79  November 28, 2007, 11:51:35 pm
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It lives on in his HDD. :o 

Can we stop arguing about this now?  Even if Reu distributed betas privately, they aren't going to let it out out of respect.  And even so, I don't think anyone but Reu could do justice to such a project.  I have yet to see someone match Reu's dedication.


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#81  November 28, 2007, 11:54:34 pm
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As much as I would like to see this finished, I believe we should just leave it.

The fella only just died! If people were talking about 'finishing work' that my dad did right after his death, I'd be pretty pissed off. Have some respect for the dead.

B'sides, if there is an afterlife, and you get there, he'll probably have made it then. ;p

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#82  November 28, 2007, 11:59:33 pm
oh god you people are hilarious.... afterlife? finishing what reu had envisioned?......... I'm sure there were tons of things going on in his life other then mugen. there isn't anything worth arguing about other then the fact that some of you take mugen to an extent of life and death which is absurd.
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#83  November 29, 2007, 12:02:36 am
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It lives on in his HDD. :o 

Can we stop arguing about this now?  Even if Reu distributed betas privately, they aren't going to let it out out of respect.  And even so, I don't think anyone but Reu could do justice to such a project.  I have yet to see someone match Reu's dedication.
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oh god you people are hilarious.... afterlife? finishing what reu had envisioned?......... I'm sure there were tons of things going on in his life other then mugen. there isn't anything worth arguing about other then the fact that some of you take mugen to an extent of life and death which is absurd.
Damned right. Do you honestly believe that the last thought running through the man's mind was: "Damn... I'm never gonna get to finish my M.U.G.E.N characters"? Somehow, I kinda doubt that.
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#84  November 29, 2007, 12:05:05 am
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#85  November 29, 2007, 12:07:16 am
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I'm sorry, I just can't accept it.
If I were to die, I don't want my work to be bury.
I want someone to at least take on my work after
me letting people know that this is what I work on
before I die.

I respected Reu just as much as you guys.
I guess my mindset is just too different.
I should never expected much from you people.
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#86  November 29, 2007, 12:10:35 am
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If Reu happened to I doubt he would ever be the one to just upload it to some sendspace and post it on some "un-seen" part of his forum.

Am I the only one who's actualy inticed by the unreleased music?

I mean damn, MUGEN createing is one thing but making good music is another.
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#87  November 29, 2007, 12:19:18 am
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#88  November 29, 2007, 12:27:16 am
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*sigh* I have that same thought too, but not about my work. It about "how the hell do I get out of this?". But only when you manage to get out of it, you will think about stuff.  When people die, people have regret. Due to unfinish work, Mugen is just a small part of his life. He have many more that he want to finish. 
Not just Mugen. But at the very least we can finish that small part for him. But now, with people response, Reu's vision is impossible.
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#89  November 29, 2007, 12:30:20 am
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stop acting like a mod, it's not your job.

Now let this topic die already. I don't want to see another reply about this.
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#92  November 29, 2007, 12:48:53 am
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What the fuck.

DizzySoldier stated his reasons about why he did not find this disrespectful. He did so in a friendly and respectful way (mostly). This is his opinion, and is covered by this thing called "freedom of speech". It is the opinion of a minority, but even if your experience about this topic has been a very different one that does not mean he can't think otherwise.

Now drop it. No discussion. Gonna use mod powers.
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#93  November 29, 2007, 08:20:58 pm
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I think that people need to take a step back for a minute and breathe.
As for DizzySoldier. Why not give him the benifit of the doubt this once.
Sure There are always going to be those who simply want something completed but I honsestly think that he did not mean his post in this way at all.

I can't say I agree with him but I can understand where he's coming from. If all great creators of art and architecture, programs, buildings and stuff took their projects with them then the world would not have "advanced" as far as it has.

This is not one of those things that needs to be completed or tampered with however as unlike other things that have been completed after the visionaries death, there is no blueprint or person who has the same vision or anyone who even can truly claim to understand what he was hoping to acomplish.

So yes go ahead, marvel at his uncompleted project. Alas this is not something to be tampered with or completed. Like many other artworks in history it shall be forever incomplete. And that is that.

I also agree with the idea of making something in Reu's memory however. while a mugen char would be nice, I think in the similar vein of Reu's work, i believe that a type of song would be better. Whether or not the community has the ability to accomplish such is to be seen.
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#94  November 29, 2007, 10:00:12 pm
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when you don't have the work files of a char that isn't even released, why the hell would you finish his work ? how can even this be possible? it's pure retard, slapping sprites that you pretend that you created like Reu wanted and giving them the name of P2 and pretending that you finished Reu's work is just an obnoxious behaviour, it's obvious that you would do so to get the fame on Reu's back + consider that P2 as a non existing char, that you could create another char instead, so go either find some original ideas or convert an official char to mugen.(if you didn't understand, well, my moods enable me to explain more, I tell you I've created a char beyond your imagination that will never be released, then you show up and tell to everybody you should finish my char to give the chances to people to play with my char...stuff...SEE HOW IT LOOKS DAMN WRONG?)

and NO, soldiers are tools that have missions, that's why many soldiers are sent to fulfill a mission, ...if one fails, another completes it--just to have more chances for the mission to be accomplished. nad not one soldier strives to get his mission successful then dies, and as Human act his friends in work gather to finish his goal. SOLDIERS HAVE NO CHOICE


I don't want P2 or Samus, I want how Reu coded them, since he has the orginal ideas and stuff


forgot: according to this
When people die, people have regret. Due to unfinish work, Mugen is just a small part of his life. He have many more that he want to finish. 
Not just Mugen. But at the very least we can finish that small part for him. But now, with people response, Reu's vision is impossible.
I totally think the same way, but the very very very least thing we can do is not to touch his unfinished works as a proof of respect, taking in account that he's the only one to know how those works would look in the end, and that no one can staisfy him (if he was still concious about it) with finishing his works.
I don't dare to self-proclaim myself that I finished his works and made them how he wanted them to be
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Re: Reu, what he started, but won't finish...
#95  November 29, 2007, 11:21:03 pm
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Re: Reu, what he started, but won't finish...
#96  November 30, 2007, 12:41:31 am
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Re: Reu, what he started, but won't finish...
#97  November 30, 2007, 04:16:57 am
now that u guys r done arguing we should think about a group project to honor him lik u said earlier
rest in peace reu 1984-2007
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#98  November 30, 2007, 04:25:17 am
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bringing about this topic was a bad idea to begin with. Reu has passed away and all you people can think about is his unfinished characters. The guy had a life outside of mugen. I can definitetly tell you guys that P2 & Samus was probably not the last thing on his mind right before he died. Give it a rest.... if you must create something create something else.
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Re: Reu, what he started, but won't finish...
#99  November 30, 2007, 04:30:21 am
I ment something completely diffrent in remberence of him and i agree that tring to finish his old projects is a bad idea and that they should stay as is

and u know ill bet u the last thing he was thinking about was his family.
rest in peace reu 1984-2007
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#100  November 30, 2007, 04:55:11 am
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i believe the best way of honoring reu would be by working on something original, but above all, actually enjoying mugen like he did.
+1
I do that to honor all those great MUGEN creators who made history in MUGEN, like Reu did in life ;) and like him, I enjoy to create those chars i want to see in MUGEN :P

Argument ? I see none. In the last two five pages, everyone seemed to agree with each other. Just that some find it funny to tell people to chill.
Want arguments? I got one: EVERY PERSON THINKS DIFFERENT. Reu made his characters (finished or not) like the way he wants. So, nobody can make chars like Reu did since nobody is Reu apart of him... that's the reason why continue P2 is a waste of time, even when we have those 7000 sprites and the sounds...

This piece of crap topic it's like Hergé's greatest work: The Adventures of Tintin, I don't see anyone who made new Tintin stories (and especially, to finish his last and unfinished work: Tintin and Alph-Art), and that's because Hergé's last desire before death is doesn't touching his works for the reason I exposed: nobody can make his character like the creator did, and I think in this case is the same...

I support the idea about to make a project as a homage to Reu together as a community (so differences GTFO), but also I support Renzo's idea:
I would say, at least let the waters calm down more before thinking about tributes and stuff like that. Given the state of shock of many members because of the news some acts could be taken in a circumspect way (like the tribute project being taken as marketing and so on).
Like all of you, I want to see finished P2 ans Samus someday, but that dream is just a dream now, so let Reu rest truly in piece, guys ;)
Re: Reu, what he started, but won't finish...
#101  November 30, 2007, 05:02:56 am
i completely agree
rest in peace reu 1984-2007