whats with scorpions spear???

Shinnox said, November 01, 2009, 07:01:56 am

what about the sword?

 

It looks like its goin' through his hand somehow
But I haven't tried out Scorpion yet so I don't know how that will work.
Sub Zero on the other hand is pretty good to me.

In my opinion the characters are far from broken. The intro's,fatalities,and voice overs are well done. I question some of the new moves though, Sub-zero's ice charge -genius, his freeze and then slide on opponent-not so much. I think the character voices during the attacks need work. Scorpion's win quotes are particularly pretty good. Please lose the dialogue scenes. (Before Match) They are terrible and cheesy and not done well at all. If you lost the text and just concentrated on making the images look more cinematic, all hope would not be lost. What happened to the cool style changes, grappling moves and slow-mo takedowns I saw in the old you tube vid for the full game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7imsVeWswz8

3: no.    down, back, hk (same command as the standing axe toss) does the air axe

In my opinion the characters are far from broken.

Konoha666 said, November 01, 2009, 08:40:42 pm

darkmanx_429 said, November 01, 2009, 05:59:05 pm

In my opinion the characters are far from broken.

Far from broken? I seriously hope your kidding.  

This "Improved" Gameplay style is horrible, the MKA parry breaks these characters, Breaker does also. I have a list of this stuff, but apparently no one knows what quality is.

Majority of the Mortal Kombat fans in Mugen disappoint me.  

you act like their supposed to be capcom 100% flawlessly perfect gameplay

*waits for lame "typing" insult*

instead of saying whats wrong so i can try to fix it, your just being an asshole rambling off random shit to rip them appart...which is a common thing from you. mkdc was just an "upgrade" of mkda, mkd and mka? thats funny. always bashing ppl for their chars being broken, then you say that mkd was the best of the last gen of mk games.



how does the parry and breaker break the chars?

Well,one major thing that is wrong is the fact that Scorpion can do his fatality after the first round so that definitely needs to be changed.I say Scorpion only cause I don't know if Sub Zero does it. ???

@ Shinnox

I agree they should be asked too, but everyone needs to stop making 50 of everybody in MUGEN that's already out, that includes Ryu, Ken, Scorpion & Sub-Zero as well as many other MUGEN characters, we need more MUGEN characters, not more of the same MUGEN characters

that said, these are still pretty good characters even if it makes it Sub-Zero #51 & Scorpion #52.. lol  

noobsmoke1 said, November 02, 2009, 05:11:27 am

alot of things bug me about subby (Sub-Zero)

-Hes invisable in his specail
-wats up with that ice armor does it prevent damage or frezzes opponets
-Polor blast is an unblockable
-his ai never does air combos
- not all the comobos can be pulled off in the read me


another thing is he his combos doesnt do alot of damage but his "imma slide on yo body while frozen" does alot of damage

since his hit damage is low his ai should try to string combos together (pop up to air combo)

and i know his name is Sub Zero but he has WAY to many freeze moves

yea... if i see that scorpion is bad
O\_/o

EDIT:

Konoha666 said, November 01, 2009, 10:37:36 am

I don't know how you managed to break Sub-Zero and Scorpion, but you did. Are you Kazmer in disguise?

+1

edit again:
U killed scorpion if he was living...
-An OHKO WTF
-Watch mi hp go up while ur hp is below half
-Knee spear kiick uve been watching way too may mk vs SF
-lol cut scean with sub zero
- YOU CHANGED HIS VOICE!!!! WHYYYYYYYY!!!!
-wats up with the disappering act when hes on the ground
-y does he cuts ppls head off with a sword if he has an axe
- Scorpion never had a family... did he??
- hes invisable in his spear throw
-HE ABUSES the parry like hes gouken

i guess the eleder gods champions dead bu wait im not done

back to subby
-his polor blast has rediculace range
-i can turn mysele on the ground while frozen and stay their for like 5 sec
-ive seen him freeze his oppenet while his being hit

if you want a good sub zero go play with Pneophen. If u dont want a subby that takes a while to learn how to play(which means ur lazy) play with Juano

and you stay FAR away from Smoke and Noob Saibot

his "imma slide on yo body while frozen" is his surf slide move from mkda.
the "ice mode" just can freeze opponents.
the ai does to air combos.
"his polor blast has rediculace range"  its supposed to! you ever played mk mythologies?

every combo in the moves guide can be done. i did them b4 i typed them, and tried them again afterwards. (unless you are referring to the moves list that comes with sub-zero...which is way old and outdated and was left in there by mistake, which is why you have to download the one on the site)



one hit kill move? oh no its the end of the world!!
i didnt change his voice, its the one he had in mk shaolin monks, play it sometime.
"Knee spear kiick uve been watching way too may mk vs SF" yea, that move is in mk Armageddon moron, again play it sometime.
his "disappearing act" as you put it...has been in many forms of mk. games, movies, etc.
YES scorpion had a family.
"y does he cuts ppls head off with a sword if he has an axe"...prolly bc hes a NINJA?????

jeebus. you know nothing about mk do you?

id answer the rest if i could understand wtf you are saying.







oh, and fyi: the ground freeze is blockable. apparently mr "broken" doesnt know how to hold down and block

Oh look these creations Evolved from Kazmer to Binho which still isn't that great.

I think that your work needs credit.

You tried to make these characters stick out from the copies only to be shot down by these disrespectful assholes?

I believe that a person should judge if they are experienced in mugen creation that exceeds your talent. but instead, we got these guys who do not know shit, ranting on your work.

They have to realize that you put the time and effort to make these creations for the people.

Of course their will be problems in the development. nothing is ever perfect.

I say that these characters are fun to play with. Scorpion makes me laugh with his voice and his death, and sub zero is pretty unstoppable with his powerhouse moves. I mean, I can barely move an inch without being freezed all the time. but like I said, problems are inevitable.

but overall, I like these characters. controls are fun to use, and it make mugen enjoyable again.

Thank YOU for putting your effort in these characters for us, even when you didn't have to.

A few things on Scorpion:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g267/Apoklepz/Recovery-hit.png
- He deals damage while getting up. WTF...it looks purely intentional too, but damn this is cheap.
- One button Fireball? CHEAP.
- His high kick looks very clunky when jumping straight up...perhaps due to sprite misalignment?
- His jumping low punch does...nothing.
- Once his combos end, they leave an opponent floored too long and open to an extra hit...also cheap.
- His win quotes take too long.
- A move_list.txt file would be nice, just cause it's cleaner and more accessible than having to open up the .cmd file.

*Currently testing Sub Zero.

his "imma slide on yo body while frozen" is his surf slide move from mkda.
the "ice mode" just can freeze opponents.
the ai does to air combos.
"his polor blast has rediculace range"  its supposed to! you ever played mk mythologies?

*cut*

i didnt change his voice, its the one he had in mk shaolin monks, play it sometime.
"Knee spear kiick uve been watching way too may mk vs SF" yea, that move is in mk Armageddon moron, again play it sometime.
his "disappearing act" as you put it...has been in many forms of mk. games, movies, etc.
"y does he cuts ppls head off with a sword if he has an axe"...prolly bc hes a NINJA?????

jeebus. you know nothing about mk do you?

Oh look these creations Evolved from Kazmer to Binho which still isn't that great.

You know what, screw it. I'm not gonna waste my time on these things anymore since there already perfect conversions of these characters.

Tuggieman said, November 02, 2009, 12:53:37 pm

I believe that a person should judge if they are experienced in mugen creation that exceeds your talent. but instead, we got these guys who do not know shit, ranting on your work.

I've read something like this before also. You don't need to be a creator and shit like that to be a critic so quiet you.

Konoha666 said, November 02, 2009, 06:13:22 pm

Oh look these creations Evolved from Kazmer to Binho which still isn't that great.

Binho's stuff isn't that bad bro

Tuggieman said, November 02, 2009, 12:53:37 pm

I think that your work needs credit.

You tried to make these characters stick out from the copies only to be shot down by these disrespectful assholes?

I believe that a person should judge if they are experienced in mugen creation that exceeds your talent. but instead, we got these guys who do not know shit, ranting on your work.

They have to realize that you put the time and effort to make these creations for the people.

Of course their will be problems in the development. nothing is ever perfect.

I say that these characters are fun to play with. Scorpion makes me laugh with his voice and his death, and sub zero is pretty unstoppable with his powerhouse moves. I mean, I can barely move an inch without being freezed all the time. but like I said, problems are inevitable.

but overall, I like these characters. controls are fun to use, and it make mugen enjoyable again.

Thank YOU for putting your effort in these characters for us, even when you didn't have to.

Stop right there.

Just because he made them doesn't mean that he's essentially "God".

Even PotS' and Reu's stuff had flaws.

This stuff needs a lot of work.

I was referring to Konoha's, not yours. Even if the method he chose wasn't sugar-coated, it was still a method of delivering feedback.

well once again you assume I said something that is not true.

ok, fine, whatever you say. time to be a critic then.

-well I noticed that the AI will not prevent the armbar move, so every time I fight sub zero or scorpion, I will simply use the arm bar for a easy victory.

-sub zero specials are unpreventable. you can't stop him from being icy. so every time he does that, I have to duck and block since he can't attack me while I am ducking for some reason.

Scorpion is alright as in possibility to defeat. Sub zero on the other hand, not so possible. but if I use scorpion against sub zero, like I said, arm bar victory.

but that is all I can find on these characters, mainly their AI. I would suggest limiting sub zero ice moves, but what do I know? I am a multimedia designer, not a mugen creator.

feedback should not be ignored Gill, I do not know why you assume I said that. But I do not take any offense to it. remember what I said? "There is criticism, and there is just being rude" but thats all.

I guess Andy, but lets drop it now. because I was stupid for going off like that in the first place. I should know better not to burst out like that on my first post.

{back to feedback}
I was looking at the move list and I was interested in the "?" finishers. I tried many different combinations and I can't seem to unlock one yet. Did you really have extra finishers? or did you put that there for a future update on moves? If they are there, can you give me a hint, like using the MK method like f,f,d,f,hp or something like that? I know MK controls are different than any fighting game, even in mugen you switched the buttons around.

thats all on my mind for now.

Konoha666 said, November 02, 2009, 06:13:22 pm

Oh look these creations Evolved from Kazmer to Binho which still isn't that great.

You know what, screw it. I'm not gonna waste my time on these things anymore since there already perfect conversions of these characters.

Tuggieman said, November 02, 2009, 12:53:37 pm

I believe that a person should judge if they are experienced in mugen creation that exceeds your talent. but instead, we got these guys who do not know shit, ranting on your work.

I've read something like this before also. You don't need to be a creator and shit like that to be a critic so quiet you.

well of course you can point out problems. but to really shoot someone down? to try to massacre effort a man tried to do? but really, no need to explain more than that. there is criticism, and there is just down right rude.

I don't know about you guys, but I say these characters are okay. Not to play as, but just to fight against. Of course they're not better than Juano16 and Pneophen's MK characters (Even I think so too), but its at least those two are better than Mike Obrecht's conversions.

Konoha666, don't think that I like them. All I'm saying is they're at least better than Mike Obrecht's. I also say that they need a lot of work.

Cad Bane said, November 05, 2009, 11:30:28 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I say these characters are okay. Not to play as, but just to fight against. Of course they're not better than Juano16 and Pneophen's MK characters (Even I think so too), but its at least those two are better than Mike Obrecht's conversions.

Konoha666, don't think that I like them. All I'm saying is they're at least better than Mike Obrecht's. I also say that they need a lot of work.

Better than Mike Obrecht's? Maybe you mean Kazmer's.
Obrecht's chars might not have flashiness, but are quite flawless, accurate, and bugless, something I'm not sure applies (nor intends to) to any of these.

Just because it has/doesn't have flashy crap it doesn't mean it's better/worse. My personal criteria is accuracy and bug-freedom.

Man, these characters are underated... THESE CHARACTERS ARE VERY GREAT!!!
Much better than the cheesy old school MK characters. It seems as though you
focused more on scorpion than sub-zero...

Here a small list of things you gotz tah fix:

Sub-zero should have his human colored skin. The blood animations are choppy. Scorpion's spear and the fire spit should have it's own custom command...

And mostly, Scorpion's burning fatality looks terrible. I mean, In the orignal version, the fire covered the whole victim's body and when it went out, you'd then see the skeleton. It's like the victim instantly vansishes and a flaming skeleton just appears outteh nowhere. Or you can make it realstic, it just burns them.

update made a change. Scorpion is a lot weaker now. Now I really need to be good at this character. before, I could easily beat any character with these characters. but now, I can get my ass handed to me like before. I am not saying it is underpowered now, its just right. well I say that these characters are still good, all they needed was a quick fix and now its better. Of course, not everyone would agree. for a first, you did good.

I haven't looked at subzero yet, but I will. probably will be the same as scorpion.

Good job

so are you gonna leave the AI the way it is or no i like them very much by far the best MK character yours and the dude OMpys something but yeah nice job

combo break limitations. do you add them motherfucker