I am not racist nor ignorant but i believe in free speech and democracy. There is nothing that i can tolerate within the Muslim religion. They discriminate against westerners and anyone that is not a Muslim and call them "Evil" Threatening non believers with deathSura 8:12 -Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."Really meaning that they will behead you. In my opinion we will need to deport the Muslims from our countries. And for good reason. Muslims aim to take over the world and they do this just by the sheer numbers. Some countries have already been taken over. But the media dosent want this issue in the public eye. Since all we care about nowdays is reality tv but that is besides the point. People dont like to bring issues like this because they think they will offend someone. Witch is Exactly my point. You are afraid of giving your opinions to Muslims. That should be a clear indication of a democracy starting to crumble.This is just scratching the surface.I am someone that takes freedom of speech seriously and will go to war if it means protecting it.I would like to hear some of your opinions on the matter. Or if you don't agree with me please say why.
Raiden said, January 29, 2008, 12:20:25 amIn my opinion we will need to deport the Muslims from our countries. Sure! Where are we from?
QuoteSura 8:12 -Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."that because infidels were assaulting the prophet whilst he was inviting them to convert peacefully(I don't know what is supposed to represent the translation of, there's no name of the Sura...)seriously you need to know the whole life and story...and many facts to know why things are like this and that in Islamtyping more stuff now
i would rather move them somewhere in the middle of the desert with no natural resources but just one thing so they can sell it, hoping they screw up and end up having only a few guys get the riches while the other starve and kill each other in pointless wars...oh, wait...
my friend-like-a-brother is muslim......i don't see him trying to rip my head off or anything. He's very tolerant in my belief...er...rather, lack thereof, as i am tolerant of his. other muslims i work with don't care of the religions of others around them: cause, well, thats their religion. they aren't gonna be like "YOU BLOODY CHRISTIAN, DIE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!" or anything. i see them get descriminated by more christians than anything elsethere are other religious groups, IMO, that are far more dangerous than Islam, and should be more deserving of your attention...
The Spanish Inquisition were nuts too but that doesn't mean that all Christians go around killing in the name of God.
I had a goth friend that used to get approached by old christian ladies a lot""HONEY JESUS LOVES YOU"I always was amused that her reaction was akin of "omg omg omg for realz?"
I think your anger and frustration is more oriented to those who twist the Islamic faith into extremist and dangerous ways (like for example Talibans).I'm not qualified at all, but I'm sure the Muslim religion is more peaceful than its "extremists" potray it.
The Inmortal Pirate said, January 29, 2008, 05:08:16 amI think your anger and frustration is more oriented to those who twist the Islamic faith into extremist and dangerous ways (like for example Talibans).I'm not qualified at all, but I'm sure the Muslim religion is more peaceful than its "extremists" potray it.I can't completely post in here right now, i need some sleep.extremism is one of the main causes that dirties the image of Islam, and that's shitloads of casesalso when thread starter states that he would resort to war if it was required to defend freedom of speech he just did like those he's against, in their case they are defending millions of lives which are way more important than words. the war against Palestinians isn't tolerated from Muslims either
Raiden said, January 29, 2008, 12:20:25 amSerious Rant on IslamI am not ignorantOf course you are.Raiden said, January 29, 2008, 12:20:25 amI am not racist nor ignorant but i believe in free speech and democracy. There is nothing that i can tolerate within the Muslim religion. They discriminate against westerners and anyone that is not a Muslim and call them "Evil" Threatening non believers with deathIf you are serious, I am already ashamed of you. If you knew anything about History, Politics, and Media, you would never have made this post. I am not Muslim, but I actually did better and learned about all sides before pointing a finger. Come, please try me. You will get such a historical lashing. If you are Christian, you'd be suprised to know that people who operate under your faith have done much worse than any Muslim. If you are in any way ruled under the American (or to a lesser Degree European) Political system, you'd be suprised about the information you are not given in schools.Defend yourself with Freedom of "Ignorance" if you want. I will defend myself with Freedom of History.
As a muslim,i find you really ignorant.The extremists are the ones ruining our image (as well as the muslims who were born muslim,but don't follow the qur'an)Infact,the meaning of Jihad has been completely perverted.Jihad's true meaning is a man's fight against his own vices and not a war on behalf of islam.QuoteSura 8:12 -Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."Please read the Qur'an,that is referring to when a non-believer attacks us without any reason and we should defend ourselves,it doesn't mean we go cut off every person's head who is non-muslim,we are not supposed to attack anyone.The meaning of one sura alone without reading the rest of the qur'an might be what you think it is,but once you read the whole qur'an,you will know the whole true meaning behind it.Gay Colossus said, January 29, 2008, 05:18:11 amalso when thread starter states that he would resort to war if it was required to defend freedom of speech he just did like those he's against, in their case they are defending millions of lives which are way more important than words. the war against Palestinians isn't tolerated from Muslims eitherExactly what he said.The other day,i saw a footage of a israeli barricade wall (on the border of egypt) which blocked all supplies such as food from reaching the poor citizens of palestine,they would starve to death if they hadn't blown a hole in the barricade and brought in supplies.That act of barricading the wall to prevent food from reaching the citizens is a crime against humanity.
My story is all about religion.... not that people care or anything, but...I can rape you brutal right now, but I don't think I shouldI'm in an organization where I have to trust everybody regardless of race, religion, or creed. You know how many people of different religions I put my life on the line for? Everyday, I wake my Christian ass up and go to eat with a Muslim. I normally ask about his religion, because he's one of the main benefactors to my story, then we both walk up and say hi to a follower of Hinduism. We've bitched about going to work, and we see a couple of Jews. we poke fun at one only because he's the most uptight son of a bitch I have ever experienced a friendship with. And sometimes, just sometimes, if we can't get back to our rooms at 0800, we all stop our tracks when the bugles fly in the sky, turn to the nearest flag and salute to The National Freakin' Anthem!!! You know that song represents every single one of us with a green card? Every single one of us? I don't care what a couple of people of their religion did. All I care about is knowing that they will keep me from dying when the time comes by.I mean, come on! how many people killed and died for their beliefs... and lack therof?Lurk more, shut the fuck up, and kill this thread like television killed your reasoning.Then again, are you just trying to make a flamewar? 9 times out of ten, the people who believes in you know better than to post. even if they did, what's the worst that could happen? this thread gets locked and dropped.
Funny as it sounds. If you are american, no matter race religion and creed, you can join the Navy...If you and your father was born here, you can join submarines.
Raiden said, January 29, 2008, 12:20:25 amI am not racist nor ignorantYou are actually both. Learn some history and facts before ranting again.
True that Muslims are less extreme. They are tons of groups that could bring a rant but Islam is one of the five main religions making it very popular and one that needs to be addressed first. More or less i am referring to extremists. I am not Christian, I have no religion.Israel took over Palestinian land and now Palestine wants it back, There is no easy solution to this. But Muslims still have there problems. They have more rights than anyone else.E.G. A Muslim is allowed to burn a flag A Christian draws a picture of Mahammed.Who would get blamed? The Muslim right? Well not really. People should be allowed to draw what they want.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7112929.stmAlso alot of muslim women have to wear a veil. Its not part of the religion but it seems to apply. Lowering rights of women. As i can remember the qu ran said something about beating your wife if she disobeys.Yeah this is a rant not a argument i dont have to shower you with history.
Raiden said, January 29, 2008, 05:01:03 pmTrue that Muslims are less extreme. They are tons of groups that could bring a rant but Islam is one of the five main religions making it very popular and one that needs to be addressed first. More or less i am referring to extremists. I am not Christian, I have no religion.Israel took over Palestinian land and now Palestine wants it back, There is no easy solution to this. But Muslims still have there problems. They have more rights than anyone else.E.G. A Muslim is allowed to burn a flag A Christian draws a picture of Mahammed.Who would get blamed? The Muslim right? Well not really. People should be allowed to draw what they want.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7112929.stmAlso alot of muslim women have to wear a veil. Its not part of the religion but it seems to apply. Lowering rights of women. As i can remember the qu ran said something about beating your wife if she disobeys.Yeah this is a rant not a argument i dont have to shower you with history.Agreed,the drawing protest was going too far.Beating the wife? That's part true part lie,its only if your wife commits a serious offense (extramarital affairs,etc.) and not violently,but this is disregarded in modern islamic countries (Iran,etc.) Veil stuff is only in backwards arab/african countries,not in modern islamic countries.Here's a pic to prove it (Iranian,again),unlike what you see on television.As you can see,they're not restricted in any way.I did not want to post a pic,but i needed proof to support my claim,so i posted it (been playing too much Phoenix Wright )Blame not the religion,but the rogue followers.
For what it's worth, practices of violence within families are not exclusive to those countries Sober clothing for women takes place in many uber-poor communites here in Mexico as well.It's all a matter of education and culture.
I am mexican and we beat our women regularly, helps keep them in shape, especially if you hit them in their butt.
so far we've shown the right example of what Islam calls for, then please try to know more about something if you want to discuss it, or leave it alone once for all
9/11 And The Sport of God. Please read the entire article lest you get a wrong impression.I don't know nearly enough about Islam to comment. A girl I helped with her Java class this semester was part of a sort-of-Facebook group named something like "My headscarf is made of 100% wool and 0% terror," though.
Raiden said, January 29, 2008, 05:01:03 pmI am not Christian, I have no religionThen why didn't you launch a rant about CHRISTIANITY. Christians in their history have created a ton load more turmoil than the Muslims have. You want to single out Islam for this shit; then try reading up on other things instead of listening to a biased and unfree media. Common Sense tells us that there is no such thing as "Freedom of the Press" [In America or Europe at least]; and the information you are presenting is so flawed it isn't funny. BTW I have no religion either; all I have is History and Study.Here's a list of other popular religions this rant could have been about:- Christianity- Hinduism- Judaism - Wow really.Raiden said, January 29, 2008, 05:01:03 pmBut Muslims still have there problems. They have more rights than anyone else.E.G. A Muslim is allowed to burn a flag A Christian draws a picture of Mahammed.Who would get blamed? The Muslim right? Well not really. People should be allowed to draw what they want.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7112929.stmFirst of all, Muslims don't have more rights than anyone. In the REAL word, instead of the world of words, Notice, after the Patriot Act was signed into law, the number of blatant stoppings of 'Arab-looking' peoples in AirPorts rose drastically... hmmm... Notice that the levels of [ignorant] racism/"religious loyalty/degradation" [like yours] went up drastically after 911. Raiden said, January 29, 2008, 05:01:03 pmAlso alot of muslim women have to wear a veil. Its not part of the religion but it seems to apply. Lowering rights of women. As i can remember the qu ran said something about beating your wife if she disobeys.Yeah this is a rant not a argument i dont have to shower you with history.You'd be suprised. That actuallty started with the Europeans (I think it was actually the Greeks ). Certain Persian [And later Islamic] 'sects' incorporated it into their 'customs,' but from what I remember it isn't necessarily required. Learn about the MIGRATORY History of the Persian Empire. Learn about Muhammad and his travels as well. K.O.D said, January 29, 2008, 09:11:23 amInfact,the meaning of Jihad has been completely perverted.Jihad's true meaning is a man's fight against his own vices and not a war on behalf of islam.First of all; Alga Zera (or however you spell it sucks). Second that is not the only interpretation. In basic, Jihad means "struggle" (and NO that doesn't come from that stupid CNN report). Struggle:- Struggle to Be closer to god- Struggle to rid yourself from evil- Struggle in absolute dedication to the Qu'ran- Struggle to protect Religious beliefs- A whole ton load more.There are quite a few meanings to the word. Raiden, what you have to realize is that for every religion there are people who will pervert it to pursue their own goals. For Islam, WHAT YOU HEAR vs. what you read are completely different. Try reading the actual Qu'ran and you'll see a ton load of shit that is taken out of context. As for Christianity, that is the ultimate example of the above. Different sects using it to justify whatever shit they do. I'm not anti-Christian, I'm just pissed off at all the crap I hear about, Jihadi this, Islamic-Extremism, the Religion says so and so, from people who don't freaking go and educate themselves.
I am not misanthropist nor ignorant but i believe in free speech and democracy. There is nothing that i can tolerate within the human race. They discriminate against anyone for any reason and call them "Evil" Threatening each other with death. In my opinion we will need to deport the humans from our countries. And for good reason. Humans aim to take over the world and they do this just by the sheer numbers.
I hope you realize that there are, like, a bajillion different Muslim sects. Sunnis and Shiites are the ones we're all familiar with nowadays, but those have further offshoots still
Case in Point: if you are going to rant about a religion, don't look completely stupid while doing it....which is exactley what happened with the topic starter. and that should have a [/thread] to it, cause there really isn't anything else to discuss, i mean, the topic itself looked like it wanted to become an "I HATE MUSLIMS" thread from the start...
