hey guys just wanted to say sorry to you all here for causeing a fuss over duke nukem all thos months ago, to be honest I mainly only did it because volzilla asked me too. granted I didn't like that robot monky head didn't respect my wishs to have him hosted at only a selcet few places but oh well I'm really not the one to make fuss over crap like that. people wearhouse cheracters all the time.sorry if you got banned at mmv to robothead I was just following the rules we had set forth on that site. but honestly mmv has just gone to hell anyways now that it's only ran by volzilla and his butt buddys so you probably wouldn't want to be there anyways.as for us our primary place for getting out mugen content now is just youtube, so if we still have any fans left here you can find us there since we wont be on the forums much anymore.later all
Its ok Tops, just focus on doing creative work and being awesome to one another. The important thing is that you recognize it was a shitty thing and are trying to talk to people.Divisive people that are seeking out fame through hobbies while being assholes are not someone worth your time.Hope to see you around more. Cheers.
Just continue doing what you do best : spriting and coding creative characters. I'll be waiting for your next characters.
Hey man, no hard feelings here. Honestly, I think it was more myself who caused a fuss over here by posting our discussion. I don't think you ever meant for our conversation to be publicized, and I really didn't think that many people were even going to read it. It got way more attention than I thought it would and more than I think it deserved. I felt pretty awful when MMV lost hosting over that shit, I gotta say. I never meant for anything like that to happen. I'm sorry for that. As for the ban, I kind of expected it anyway, it's no big deal. Guild is really the only forum (for mugen or anything at all) that I've ever spent any time on anyway.Also, I have to say, I would never have edited your characters if I wasn't a fan. I really do enjoy your work. I hope you keep at it, and find somewhere your comfortable to share what you create, be it you-tube or maybe even the Guild? Hope all is well. Peace.
RobotMonkeyHead said, January 23, 2013, 12:32:43 pmI felt pretty awful when MMV lost hosting over that shit, I gotta say.That's not why they lost hosting. Or at least, it's not the sole reason. It might've played a part, though a small one. But I don't really remember and it's not really worth dredging up anyways.As everyone has said, we all should move on and focus on making cool stuff!
Overman King Jmorphman said, January 23, 2013, 05:21:12 pmAs everyone has said, we all should move on and focus on making cool stuff!Hellz yeah mang!
Overman King Jmorphman said, January 23, 2013, 05:21:12 pmAs everyone has said, we all should move on and focus on making cool stuff!Agreed! Let's go on for a better future and more MUGEN characters!
Overman King Jmorphman said, January 23, 2013, 05:21:12 pmAs everyone has said, we all should move on and focus on making cool stuff!Not that Jmorphman would know anything about that. teehee
just keep doing what u do, it shouldnt matter where its hosted,if people like it or dont, fuck it nobody cant say you didnt contribute to the community, my personal opinion is that all creators shouldnt care where there stuff is hosted as long as its available, i understand if you have your own site you want people to visit and trust me if your stuff is liked by someone you will be googled and your site will be visited regardless when looking for more content by said creator.u dont know how many times ive looked for somthing and been taken to sites that Are ethier down or requier you to register, AND post just to get permision to download shit like on the syn website when they had the interactive stage from the mk vs sf animation, that shit is annoying and stupid, just make your stuff available to the masses ok! i for one am tired of looking for stuff and sometimes its only on one site and the bitch is down or tbe links are dead, because nobody wants to share, if thats the case updated and maintain yo shit so we can get it or we will just go to the warehouse!
G.o.D. said, January 24, 2013, 08:59:05 pmTeamOmegaPwnageSupreme, so yeah, it's supposed to be a team.i just had a slow moment smh
RobotMonkeyHead said, January 23, 2013, 12:32:43 pmHey man, no hard feelings here. Honestly, I think it was more myself who caused a fuss over here by posting our discussion. I don't think you ever meant for our conversation to be publicized, and I really didn't think that many people were even going to read it. It got way more attention than I thought it would and more than I think it deserved. I felt pretty awful when MMV lost hosting over that shit, I gotta say. I never meant for anything like that to happen. I'm sorry for that. As for the ban, I kind of expected it anyway, it's no big deal. Guild is really the only forum (for mugen or anything at all) that I've ever spent any time on anyway.Also, I have to say, I would never have edited your characters if I wasn't a fan. I really do enjoy your work. I hope you keep at it, and find somewhere your comfortable to share what you create, be it you-tube or maybe even the Guild? Hope all is well. Peace. hey thanks man, and yea your right I never wanted it to go public but what's done is done. I'm just glad everybody is cool with everything now. and yea we lost hosting but it doesn't really matter to me any more as we're not affliated with MMV in anyway anymore. Glad your a fan of our work we can always use more. we don't frequent the foums that often but when we do we can alway drop a line here from time to time.later
where are you hosting him now snakebyte? if your still in control of a mediafire account that has him and that's the only sorce for mmvs download link then just pull it man. as I said I have no affliation with that site anymore nor do I want it. feel free to post a link here at the guild if you want though.
MMV already edited the file without my permission and rehosted it, sorry dude. Something about the readme and crediting Angelus, basically just Volz being a dick. I was going to pull it when I had a better version to replace it with, but they beat me to the punch. The version that YS and I bugfixed with new palettes from Angelus and supa is in my mediafire and posted in the release topics here and at IMT, it isn't posted at CC and it won't be.RMH is doing a further update here with a new stance and possibly new moves, and YS and I gave him our okay when we found out about it provided we could use it. When that's done the plan was to host that at CC with the rest of the symbiote stuff. We were keeping your stuff off CC until Alex posted that thing at IMT. Afaik he still intends to convert Scream to CC template and host it, but he hasn't yet.I don't know where they're hosting Scream. It isn't from me. I pulled that twice and they've still got it.Let's keep this civil though, yeah? Guild doesn't need pages of comic mugen drama again. :|EDIT: If you want to be mad at anyone for updating it or hosting it or cooperating with RMH, take it out on me. Young did some of the work, but I took point on it, put it on my account, released it myself, and offered those fixes to RMH for his version. My view is that if a character is made for the project, it should be used for that project, even if creators change their minds later. In my mind it would only be an issue if we tried to take credit for your work, which I'd never do in a million years. My goal was to make his gameplay as good as possible for the eventual full game. If RMH comes out with a better version, that's just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.
yea mmv seems to not care at all anymore and is doing stuff with out my permission or the permission of the new leaders of the symbiote project, really sickens me.please do everything you can to keep my creations off of crusader cast. I don't know what alex said over at IMT but it doesn't matter they are my creations and crusader cast can't have them. I'm fine with most forums hosting my stuff but if it's a place that purposely treated me like crap and banded me for no good reason then they can't have my stuff. I hope this is understanble to you. I mean I'm sure you would feel the same way if you were miss treated at what ever said forum and then they took your stuff and hosted it.I am mad at you for just handing it over to RMH do update when I gave specific instructions to young samurai that he was the only one to be updating my symbiote cheracters and he should have told you that. I understand your possition on this but it's no excuse to be doing these things behind my back. at the very least you could have let me know you were handing it over to RMH. and to RMH you could have let know your self too.but enough I'm not going to turn this into a rant in the public forum we can discuss this more on PM either here or on youtube.
Yeah, and he didn't care, and neither do I, and you're just going to have to man up and deal with it. =/To clarify, though, I didn't 'hand it over' to RMH. RMH was doing it anyway, and will keep doing it anyway, regardless of anything I say. All I did was give him my bugfixes and say his version would be used in the project.
ok no big deal then, I hope that if you were to do such a thing you would have the curtesy tto ask in the future. but RMH does what RMH does, no suprise to me there.I don't know why you don't care about the crap MMV pulls anymore tho, I mean your a pretty big part of the sysmbiote project you should stand up to volz and his crap.anyways this is way off topic for this thread so lets discuss this further els where.
Because the symbiote project isn't on MMV anymore and hasn't been for a while, I haven't posted on that forum for many months. They just like to claim they're its home when they really aren't, I haven't posted any of my work there and I'm not going to, and I personally think leaving volzilla alone in his sad little corner of the internet leads to far less BS then trying to 'stand up to him'. It's fine if you disagree. XDAnd yes, now that we're mostly not at eachother's throats, I have no problem talking to you about things like that. This happened months ago.Only posting this here because people who read this should know we aren't associated with MMV or with volz's bullshit. Already sent you a big PM.
I am not gonna start a big drama but I wanna go on record to say this a b.s. apology. This guy has lied all over the community. If he was really sorry he'd apologize to all the people he's called fag and for insulting peoples family and all his threats. On top of of it I was going to let it go but he just this weekend again claims that I screwed up his carnage. I NEVER touched his slop. All I did was test it. In fact all cvg did was ad a hyper port and fix the clns, and correct a debug spam. That was aa250, and not me and that affected none of the mess tops made. He released a buggy broken character and had a juvenile fit because we didn't want to promote it at CVG. All I ever asked him to do was fix the clns boxes, and disable the hyper port if he wasn't going to put one in. I NEVER worked on his carnage. Plus to cut corners he just took sprites from seth then has the nerve to call me a thief. Then he tell everyone I broke his carnage when I never touched it. The guy is a flat out liar. Id have let it go but again he lied and said I jacked up his carnage. Carnage. Was his mess alone, and judging at the mistakes and mess in venom and scream is all the proof need cuz he did the same crap again. The cmd in agony was a disaster. I tried to clean it up but its still a mess. I can't work miracles.Tell the truth I really didn't want to touch venom or scream just offered to do it as a favor for my friends whom tops insulted on a personal level. Id be happy to drop this issue if the guy would quit his lies and attacks and just admit both disasterous releases of carnage are his and his alone"s fault. I really have no desire to take on more work, but if He's going to lie about me I guess I will help out the symbiote guys
alexziq said, February 04, 2013, 01:32:11 amI am not gonna start a big dramaToo late. If you really didn't want to start up a drama scene, maybe you should have just PM'ed T.O.P.S about that instead of posting it to the public.
So since the guy lied all over the net should I pm everyone? This is really the only way I can get my side of the story out.
I was more addressing your "not going to start drama" point since that kind of post is exactly what drama is made of.
C.A.N said, February 04, 2013, 01:34:59 amToo late. If you really didn't want to start up a drama scene, maybe you should have just PM'ed T.O.P.S about that instead of posting it to the public.If alexziq feels like he is being publicly slandered, then what good is a PM gonna do? But the post will probably cause some "drama".But in the end, drama is just a meaningless buzzword. People have disagreements, and that is natural. People have arguments over those disagreements, and that is also natural. To try and prevent this from happening is foolish, instead one should focus on trying to make said arguments as peaceful and respectful as possible, so they don't get out of hand.
alexziq said, February 04, 2013, 01:32:11 amI am not gonna start a big drama but I wanna go on record to say this a b.s. apology. This guy has lied all over the community. If he was really sorry he'd apologize to all the people he's called fag and for insulting peoples family and all his threats. On top of of it I was going to let it go but he just this weekend again claims that I screwed up his carnage. I NEVER touched his slop. All I did was test it. In fact all cvg did was ad a hyper port and fix the clns, and correct a debug spam. That was aa250, and not me and that affected none of the mess tops made. He released a buggy broken character and had a juvenile fit because we didn't want to promote it at CVG. All I ever asked him to do was fix the clns boxes, and disable the hyper port if he wasn't going to put one in. I NEVER worked on his carnage. Plus to cut corners he just took sprites from seth then has the nerve to call me a thief. Then he tell everyone I broke his carnage when I never touched it. The guy is a flat out liar. Id have let it go but again he lied and said I jacked up his carnage. Carnage. Was his mess alone, and judging at the mistakes and mess in venom and scream is all the proof need cuz he did the same crap again. The cmd in agony was a disaster. I tried to clean it up but its still a mess. I can't work miracles.Tell the truth I really didn't want to touch venom or scream just offered to do it as a favor for my friends whom tops insulted on a personal level. Id be happy to drop this issue if the guy would quit his lies and attacks and just admit both disasterous releases of carnage are his and his alone"s fault. I really have no desire to take on more work, but if He's going to lie about me I guess I will help out the symbiote guyslook you piece of shit I know AA250 was the main one that screwed up my carnage but I know you had a hand in it too. Futur3 even told me that both you and aa250 worked on it together and this was after I made it very clear to both futur3 and later to aa250 in cvgs chat that i didn't want carnage to be touched. all anyone has to do is download the mmv version of carnage and they will see the differences. mine has better animations, better hit boxs and better AI then yours, all of the things that you screwed up on him before releaseing him on cvg. the one on MMV is the orginal unaltered one that I did. the only things I did to him before release was improve the shading on a few sprites and that was it!I aplogized here because I truly felt sorry for the mess that was caused over here from the drama that volzilla started with RMH. it doesn't mean I'm sorry for any drama I caused over on CVG because of your ass hole way of fucking me over.so screw you alex you've been been a dick ever since I've known you.and just for your information not that it really matters but venom was a early rushed release that's why he had gliches. scream however was perfect and many people loved her. so what ever go crawl back in your hole over on CC or whatever because that's the only place you have anypower anyways. and obviusly you need some kind of a cruch to control,manipulate and huliate other creators. have a nice day.
So you made a characterThey fucked it up,gave credit to you for the original,and to themselves for fucking it up.whats the big deal?
Not everyone is as open as our rules. And that's fine, but it is kind of silly to get upset about it, because it happens when you put stuff out on the internet.
LOL TOPSI am a dick? Funny cuz I was never anything but nice to you, and I have screenshots of every pm between us to prove it. You wigged out over a simple request to fix your clns boxes or our forum wasn't going to promote it. After that you acted like a psychopath and called everyone fags, and insulted futur and his family, and him on a personal level. If futur said I worked on your stuff then he was mistaken because I never touched your slop. AA250 didnt really either. He fixed your clns, and a debug spam. and added a hyper port. If your work is so bad that something that simple screws up your character then you have a lot to learn. I asked you to do it, but you were too lazy to do it. You asked why we were so concerned with your clns, and we said because thats one of the major things MFG looks at, and because after CVG's history of several terrible, rushed releases we did not want to promote another poor release at CVG. THEN you asked "why do you care what those assholes at the Guild think anyway?" Now here you are groveling to the very people you called assholes. On top of it I told you weeks before Carnage was released that we were no longer promoting work unless the administration approved it. You had no problem agreeing to that, but when bug check time came along you threw a fit over something you knew weeks in advance. You refused to compromise, and wouldnt even fix the clns, and disable a hyper port. Saying that our standards were unfair. Like a baby you lie and tell everyone we fucked up your work. Then again maybe you actually do think that since the hit boxes on your carnage were so fricken huge he couldn't miss a combo chain because there's no way anyone could avoid them the way they were., That doesn't qualify as proper code, and this is a forum where people know that. So if that alone jacked up your carnage then its pretty obvious it needed a lot of work, and that's on you, not us. So how were you screwed when you were given warning in advance? And your other complaint that you were banned unfairly is a lie to. You called the entire forum fags which racist, or homophobic behavior is not tolerated, plus insulting administrators, personally insulting people in chat, and spam attacks earned your ban. pull that at IMT, call them all fags and see if they dont ban you. You were banned because of your actions, and it had nothing to do with MUGEN. Besides it's our forum, if we choose not to promote your work, youre going to throw a hissy fit? seriously what are you 5 years old? You had every intention of leaving and doing your crap with MMV. Youre just pissed you and your former forum didn't pull off your attempt to screw us. If you didnt like our expectations to fix clns boxes why not just leave, go elsewhere. Why the fit? MFG gave you 10X the criticism here than you got from any of us.
Really guys?What are you, a bunch of two year olds?I am so tired of all of this bullshit from both of you.TOPS, if you didn't want anyone to touch your work, you shouldn't have made it for a project involving other people and then quit that project, or even released it on the internet. You should have put it on a floppy disk and buried that disk in the ground in a locked box, poured concrete over it, and thrown the key into a volcano. When shit gets out on the internet, you lose control over it. Deal with it.Alex, I just spent an absurd amount of time talking TOPS into some semblance of calmness and sanity, you starting shit here is not helping. If you want to help the project, help the project. If you want to get into some kind of pissing contest, don't pretend you're being all noble and drag us into it. I am so BEYOND TIRED of being involved in shit like this. GET OVER IT. BOTH OF YOU. GO TO YOUR SEPARATE CORNERS OF THE INTERNET AND STAY THERE IF YOU CAN'T PLAY NICE. FFS.
alexziq said, February 05, 2013, 12:03:34 amLOL TOPSI am a dick? Funny cuz I was never anything but nice to you, and I have screenshots of every pm between us to prove it. You wigged out over a simple request to fix your clns boxes or our forum wasn't going to promote it. After that you acted like a psychopath and called everyone fags, and insulted futur and his family, and him on a personal level. If futur said I worked on your stuff then he was mistaken because I never touched your slop. AA250 didnt really either. He fixed your clns, and a debug spam. and added a hyper port. If your work is so bad that something that simple screws up your character then you have a lot to learn. I asked you to do it, but you were too lazy to do it. You asked why we were so concerned with your clns, and we said because thats one of the major things MFG looks at, and because after CVG's history of several terrible, rushed releases we did not want to promote another poor release at CVG. THEN you asked "why do you care what those assholes at the Guild think anyway?" Now here you are groveling to the very people you called assholes. On top of it I told you weeks before Carnage was released that we were no longer promoting work unless the administration approved it. You had no problem agreeing to that, but when bug check time came along you threw a fit over something you knew weeks in advance. You refused to compromise, and wouldnt even fix the clns, and disable a hyper port. Saying that our standards were unfair. Like a baby you lie and tell everyone we fucked up your work. Then again maybe you actually do think that since the hit boxes on your carnage were so fricken huge he couldn't miss a combo chain because there's no way anyone could avoid them the way they were., That doesn't qualify as proper code, and this is a forum where people know that. So if that alone jacked up your carnage then its pretty obvious it needed a lot of work, and that's on you, not us. So how were you screwed when you were given warning in advance? And your other complaint that you were banned unfairly is a lie to. You called the entire forum fags which racist, or homophobic behavior is not tolerated, plus insulting administrators, personally insulting people in chat, and spam attacks earned your ban. pull that at IMT, call them all fags and see if they dont ban you. You were banned because of your actions, and it had nothing to do with MUGEN. Besides it's our forum, if we choose not to promote your work, youre going to throw a hissy fit? seriously what are you 5 years old? You had every intention of leaving and doing your crap with MMV. Youre just pissed you and your former forum didn't pull off your attempt to screw us. If you didnt like our expectations to fix clns boxes why not just leave, go elsewhere. Why the fit? MFG gave you 10X the criticism here than you got from any of us. well if you truly didn't touch him then I'm sorry for blameing you but with others telling me you did and volzilla claiming at the time you had some secret agenda to take over the symbiote project what was I supose to think?the red cls boxs were perfect by anyones standards, the blue ones it seems there's some debate over what is best, personaly I go with 4-5 on most sprites maybe you thought that was to much but regardless it was still my cheracter and you had no right to alter that stuff if I told you not too.AA250 did more then you say he did, he must have jacked up the animations when he was redoing the clns somehow, he either altered the timing of them or deleated frames or something because seirusly in your version the animations are not near as smooth. he somehow jacked up the AI too because the version AA250 altered doesn't kick ass nearly as good as mine.I only did what I did because I felt insulted and don't go and put all of this on me I was insulted by team members of your forum too, it's not like I did what I did unprovoked.
IMO the reaction to anyone provoking you was awful severe.Regardless I am completely open to putting the past in the past. I can only speak for myself though. As far as whatever aa250 did I can only go by what he told me he did, and those 3 things is all I was ever told he did. For all I know other guys testing could have messed with it, and gave it to Futur. Only he, and aa250 would know for sure. all I can say is I know I didn't mess with it. I just tested, and asked for the clns to be fixed, and to either put in a hyper port, or disable it.That's all I asked. A hour or 2 of work at best.Whats done is done. Things did not go the way anybody wanted them too, but there should be a better way to handle these kinds of disagreements rather than blood thirsty fueds.
I came here with my popcorn, then I realized your fight was not entertaining at all. Dammit guys, just open both chars in FF, take a screenshot of the timings and CLSNs and point out the differences (or lack of, I don't know). End of story.T.O.P.S said, February 04, 2013, 10:18:44 pmscream however was perfect and many people loved her.Must be thanks to the sprites you took from Diepod's Genocide WIP without crediting him, cutting half of the frames and killing the shading. Oh well, at least he's not upset, contrary to some other people in this very topic...
Cybaster said, February 05, 2013, 11:42:27 amI came here with my popcorn, then I realized your fight was not entertaining at all. Dammit guys, just open both chars in FF, take a screenshot of the timings and CLSNs and point out the differences (or lack of, I don't know). End of story.T.O.P.S said, February 04, 2013, 10:18:44 pmscream however was perfect and many people loved her.Must be thanks to the sprites you took from Diepod's Genocide WIP without crediting him, cutting half of the frames and killing the shading. Oh well, at least he's not upset, contrary to some other people in this very topic...@Cybaster: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.Took a look at the character you're talking about and... How? Scream is a Felicia edit. Are you thinking of a different character?Also I only see a stand sprite of that character anywhere public here...
I've never downloaded Scream, or whatever characters are being referred to here, but I watched a few videos and it looks like the character went through a sprite overhaul at some point??? Meh, it had potential, but neither rendition seemed to have been THAT impressive.Anyway, the argument between you guys is a bit silly, but I don't really understand the details, so I'll stay out. Why a group was needed to "promote" and or "work on" a character that could easily have been done by one person, I'm not sure. Why this couldn't have been an independent release, I'm not sure. Meh, whatever.Let me reiterate, the character was mediocre at best. 'Snot PotS or waru worthy in any regard, so why the big deal?
GI agree with you 100% HJK. I am not making any argument that one version is better than the other. There's different issues with both versions. All i am saying is that I had nothing to do with it. My involvement was simply that I wanted some typical things MFG looks at when giving feedback fixed before it was released. It was right after the CVG split, and we wanted to at least show the MFG crowd that we were no longer going to throw out releases like Hercules, or Lara Croft that were rushed buggy alphas. Not that I am trying to make a case were great now. Far from it. Just that at least some of the novice issues like ike sloppy clns, and debug spam were at least fixed so we can actually get some proper feedback rather than look lazy. Even tho I didn't work on it. Things we promote reflect on all of us.
Cybaster said, February 05, 2013, 02:28:19 pmI'm not talking about the whole character.SociallyRetardedPod said, July 19, 2012, 09:08:55 pmwoops damn I didn't even know this was someones els, it was given to me by a symbiote team member along time ago I thought it was his own work he was contributing. oh well it's only like 2 or 3 sprites. most of scream was made from felicia as snake said. Posted: February 06, 2013, 01:04:49 amalexziq said, February 05, 2013, 04:22:07 pmGI agree with you 100% HJK. I am not making any argument that one version is better than the other. There's different issues with both versions. All i am saying is that I had nothing to do with it. My involvement was simply that I wanted some typical things MFG looks at when giving feedback fixed before it was released. It was right after the CVG split, and we wanted to at least show the MFG crowd that we were no longer going to throw out releases like Hercules, or Lara Croft that were rushed buggy alphas. Not that I am trying to make a case were great now. Far from it. Just that at least some of the novice issues like ike sloppy clns, and debug spam were at least fixed so we can actually get some proper feedback rather than look lazy. Even tho I didn't work on it. Things we promote reflect on all of us. Posted: February 06, 2013, 01:05:51 amalexziq said, February 05, 2013, 06:48:08 amIMO the reaction to anyone provoking you was awful severe.Regardless I am completely open to putting the past in the past. I can only speak for myself though. As far as whatever aa250 did I can only go by what he told me he did, and those 3 things is all I was ever told he did. For all I know other guys testing could have messed with it, and gave it to Futur. Only he, and aa250 would know for sure. all I can say is I know I didn't mess with it. I just tested, and asked for the clns to be fixed, and to either put in a hyper port, or disable it.That's all I asked. A hour or 2 of work at best.Whats done is done. Things did not go the way anybody wanted them too, but there should be a better way to handle these kinds of disagreements rather than blood thirsty fueds. well it's been long enough now I don't care as much about it anymore. I guess if you say you didn't touch I'll take your word for it. I guess I'll let it go if you do. just please don't edit any my cheracters in the future unless it's just to stream line the background effects and super ports for the game.
That's a step in the right direction, sometimes we have to apologize either way and start over. I hope that perhaps someday you guys as well as other mugen editors can try to take the time to work this stuff out. This flame war isn't fun for anyone else either, I miss T.O.P.S. at Multiverse and I miss being at CVGUnited with Alexziq. I miss hanging out at SonicX mugen with teamspoiler and hanging out at IMT with mugen fans. :pIt's amazing how the smallest of issues can have such immense damage.
