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#1  October 27, 2007, 12:08:26 am
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#2  October 27, 2007, 01:42:11 am
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i tested gouken. The hadouken is weird and flickery. keep up the work.
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#3  October 27, 2007, 01:54:16 am
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congrats on the release ill let you know once i check it out  :sugoi:

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#4  October 27, 2007, 02:01:59 am
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Nice work ...been anticipating a new gouken since i read ur posts on mugen infantry..any plans for a second char?

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#5  October 27, 2007, 02:07:05 am
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#6  October 27, 2007, 02:14:14 am
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#7  October 27, 2007, 02:57:17 am
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He has an illgeal pausetime for his super move.

Might want to change it.

Still need to change that pink hair.  :sugoi:

Also noticed his CLSN's for both the collsion and attacks are all messed up. o_O

His CLSN2's for his attacks and combos as well as super uppercuts and kicks need full CLSN1's over them.

Some already have it but I'd clean them up for next release.

Of course anything else I'll report later.

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#8  October 28, 2007, 07:01:36 am
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I think he's good and nice sprites :sugoi: But there are some bugs, like the super uppercut doesn't hit the opponent :'( Finally, in my opinion is this Gouken is better than the ShinGouki clone 8)
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#9  October 28, 2007, 01:38:53 pm
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oh my god another Gouken :o
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#10  October 28, 2007, 01:54:09 pm
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Fucked up animation, collision boxes, sound usage, spark usage, envshakes, superscreen timing, moves, sprites, palettes, animation speed, combos, hitvels, velocities. Okay...
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#11  October 28, 2007, 02:10:26 pm
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Baiken said, October 28, 2007, 01:54:09 pm
Fucked up animation, collision boxes, sound usage, spark usage, envshakes, superscreen timing, moves, sprites, palettes, animation speed, combos, hitvels, velocities. Okay...
Lucky I didn't try this one. Thanks for the heads up.

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#12  October 28, 2007, 02:36:13 pm
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Baiken said, October 28, 2007, 01:54:09 pm
Fucked up animation, collision boxes, sound usage, spark usage, envshakes, superscreen timing, moves, sprites, palettes, animation speed, combos, hitvels, velocities. Okay...
you could try helping him instead of saying everything is fucked up

@siu, you could also try out the character and help him out on improving it
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Last Edit: October 28, 2007, 02:39:36 pm by Laxxe23

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#13  October 28, 2007, 03:14:38 pm
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Laxxe, it'd be best if he restarted: there's an incredibly large amount of things wrong (some that shouldn't have gone overlooked) and it would take greater time to fix them all than it would to simply salvage parts and start anew.

Look, I know he's your friend Laxxe, and alexlexus, it's very obvious you put effort into this. But I'm just giving you the straight of it. You're capable of far better.

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#14  October 28, 2007, 03:17:03 pm
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Yes, just like how the others could try helping him improve it instead of saying they were waiting for a Gouken, right ?
Also how is that not helping when I point out that some collision boxes are wrong, sparks are misplaced, sounds are wrongly used ? Judging by how the character doesn't have 56 supermoves, what's not helping in saying that the superscreen has wrong timings ? How is it less helping than saying the uppercut looks like he's strobbing or the Hadouken is flickering ? (not saying these ones weren't helping, I mean I wonder what makes you jump on me) (to the smartasses, you don't have to answer that, I know the answer alright)
I mean, just look at the character. No hitsparks for half of the moves, a hitspark used instead of a superspark for one of the supers, the super background for Tenma Gou Zankuu lasts twice as long as the move itself, clsn boxes that just aren't anywhere close to his body or his attacking limbs ? Come on.
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Last Edit: October 28, 2007, 03:29:10 pm by Baiken

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#15  October 28, 2007, 03:56:13 pm
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#16  October 28, 2007, 04:09:22 pm
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Baiken said, October 28, 2007, 03:17:03 pm
Yes, just like how the others could try helping him improve it instead of saying they were waiting for a Gouken, right ?
Also how is that not helping when I point out that some collision boxes are wrong, sparks are misplaced, sounds are wrongly used ? Judging by how the character doesn't have 56 supermoves, what's not helping in saying that the superscreen has wrong timings ? How is it less helping than saying the uppercut looks like he's strobbing or the Hadouken is flickering ? (not saying these ones weren't helping, I mean I wonder what makes you jump on me) (to the smartasses, you don't have to answer that, I know the answer alright)
I mean, just look at the character. No hitsparks for half of the moves, a hitspark used instead of a superspark for one of the supers, the super background for Tenma Gou Zankuu lasts twice as long as the move itself, clsn boxes that just aren't anywhere close to his body or his attacking limbs ? Come on.
ok he will work on fixing those things, and sorry i tend to jump to comclusions when i misunderstand stuff

@kfm, its probably best for alex to see the mistakes and fix them as opposed to starting over more as a learning experiance than fro efficiancy
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Last Edit: October 28, 2007, 04:18:28 pm by Laxxe23

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#17  October 28, 2007, 04:19:26 pm
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i know the feedback is supposed to be contrsutive, but it seems to come out harsh here.
but that non the less. this is my 2nd char project so understand i am still new to this.
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#18  October 28, 2007, 04:23:37 pm
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dont worry alex they are just helping you, besides these people are two of the top people i can think of here that can help you
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#19  October 28, 2007, 05:12:11 pm
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Making a char is always a very hard thing. As time passes i end up seeing how many things u have to know very well to make an accurate char without bug, wow. :S

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#20  October 28, 2007, 05:15:19 pm
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Ride the flow and learn from the people around you, just go at it slowly but decidedly.

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#21  October 28, 2007, 05:15:36 pm
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Okay, then I'll go a little more detailed on there. I wouldn't want people to think I'm just being aggressive and :P
Not that I'm trying to be offensive, but did you do a quick last-minute test run before the relase ? I can only assume that you didn't really look closely at it.

First, the graphical aspect of the coding.
The second hit of Shoryuuken doesn't have any hitspark, and its hitsound is a blocking sound. Shinkuu tatsumaki Sepnuu kyaku has a hitspark instead of the superspark. Try the aerial Shinkuu Hadou and the Shinryuuken, the super background lasts twice as long as the moves themselves - it continues after the move ends. He slides backward when shooting a Hadouken, and the fireball appears on his torso way behind his hands instead of appearing on his hands. You don't have any dust effects but I assume you haven't added them yet. etc.

Did you try these moves, did you notice that, did you forget to fix it ?
In those case, you should really point out that this is a quick release. Can't see how else to say it, but if you simply didn't take the time to fix those, it can only be called a rushed release. And in those conditions, the best you can get are replies like mine.
If you want to improve on that point, the only thing you can do is, take more time. Never hesitate to test the same moves again everytime you want to check if the character is fine. Take notes, maybe, of what looks weird. the longer you'll keep him on the testing line, the more you'll see most of the bugs. Fix them one at a time, however long it takes, then test everything again, and fix one more. Until you can't notice any obvious problem after a couple of test runs.
Just before making a release, do a last-minute quick test run, and check most of the moves. Of course, you'll probably miss some problems, nobody gets it right on the first time, but things like the above are pretty obvious.

Sound is pretty much the same. The voice for his taunt lasts way too long. The first kick of Gou kick has no whiffing sound. For Shinkuu Tatsumaki, the sound of the supercharge is that of the tornado, and two hitsounds play when he begins and stops the actual kicking. etc. Those are the same as the above visual glitches, you notice them by just doing the move once. Same solution, test and fix one, test more and fix one more.

Then, there's the points where you get a little more technical. A few collision boxes are just completely missplaced (second half of the stand heavy kick), comboability is way too fast because the hitpause times are too short, the Gou kick has very odd velocities (it's really, really weird to see him rise slowly for the first kick, then suddenly gain speed for the second without any reason)... Well, those things can come after you're done with the above. But it'll require even more attention once you'll be done with the above.

But again, if you didn't do much test runs, you should point it out as quickly as possible, because you risk getting answers like mine :-\ it seems harsh, but hey, what else can I/we say if it's true that you didn't really do in-depth testing.. Not that it's a punishable crime, but there's nothing else we can say.
At least, when you react like you did, I can see that you're serious and it's just all a matter of time, and not because you barely cared about what you were doing.
to be honest, it's when I see people saying "good I was expecting a Gouken, good work" and so without trying it that I get worked up. it's more as a reply to that that I post this, rather than directly at you.
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Last Edit: October 28, 2007, 05:25:40 pm by Baiken

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#22  October 28, 2007, 05:43:21 pm
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#23  October 28, 2007, 05:46:10 pm
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well most of the obvious stuff was covered, my only remark here would be to finish a move till its perfect at least for you, not the usual "good enough" most new creators are happy with these days ending up with chars like these (good potential bad execution) but well its a beta and an early one from the comments so ill wait till he is almost final or final to give some feedback, keep it goin and good luck :)

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#24  October 28, 2007, 05:47:01 pm
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when i asked for serious beta testers no one responded. i had a guy who just loved gouken to much and didn't look at the bugs and i am only now getting the feedback i needed.
so yeah the bugs came out now i released the beta and now people want to say i didn't put time in.
were was everyone when i was begging for testers? oh well
i am not taking it hard just understand that it's kinda messed up when i put it out there
i wanted help. no emo here just wanting to make the best gouken i can.


edit:

vyn if you arent busy could i get some help? laxxe just jumped on board so i know things are going to
move fast. not much really is left to do, just making thins tighter.
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Last Edit: October 28, 2007, 05:51:04 pm by alexlexus

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#25  October 28, 2007, 10:47:00 pm
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The updated Gouken showed clearly that this char is getting more and more interesting as times passes by. I think that it finally will be much beter than i imagined, putting apart my prejudices about making goukens...

Playing with him i noticed, amongst other things , that the tatsumaky super does variable damage, depending on the char it hits or something, sometimes takin 20% of the life, others more than 70% and varying (from 200 dmg to 800 to make yourself an approximate idea), sometimes the entire life. Also the air hadoukens do that variable damage, for example, facing Don Drago Geese they dealt like 240 dmg each.... after more playing i noticed that happens with all his moves for unknown reasons against all chars or nearly all. I don´t know if that was intentional or a bug so here it is. The shoryuken, kick shoryuken super does very little damage.

the kintaro sound ofthe super shoryuken is kinda funny instead of serious from my perspective.

i hope that helps im not on creation so my feedback can only be humble.
Last Edit: October 31, 2007, 02:01:42 am by Ohsky

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#26  October 28, 2007, 11:09:16 pm
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People here give "tough love".  It's better to get negative feedback than none at all.  Characters that usually receive much feedback are imperfect ones that people want to see get better.  Some authors run away from feedback like this as well, but that's their loss if they don't want to improve on their own works.

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#27  October 30, 2007, 04:32:12 pm
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#28  October 31, 2007, 03:55:37 pm
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alexlexus said, October 28, 2007, 05:47:01 pm
when i asked for serious beta testers no one responded. i had a guy who just loved gouken to much and didn't look at the bugs and i am only now getting the feedback i needed.
so yeah the bugs came out now i released the beta and now people want to say i didn't put time in.
were was everyone when i was begging for testers? oh well
i am not taking it hard just understand that it's kinda messed up when i put it out there
i wanted help. no emo here just wanting to make the best gouken i can.


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vyn if you arent busy could i get some help? laxxe just jumped on board so i know things are going to
move fast. not much really is left to do, just making thins tighter.

sorry too busy with school girl and my own work man and bout beta testers and asking for help, noobs get pretty much no help man i went trough it myself but the best beta tester u can find is urself i personally dont drop a move till i really really like it, every aspect of it if something bothers me even a little i always end up remaking it

and most beta testers just give a quick look, go "i love it man its perfect" and never touch it again... if u looking for some good ones ask exguile or sabaki (both from infinity team) both are very good and give some depth feedback especially sabaki and he is a creator too so he know what hes talking bout when he feedbacks, busy guy but im sure he will gladly beta test, both are trustworthy no need to worry

my code is open source if its any good since my ryu is sf3 too, all i can do for ya

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#29  October 31, 2007, 05:32:02 pm
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Sup Alexus.

http://www.ascendedmugen.com/

Gouken's been upped @ the new forum and is in the downloads section.

It's the newly released patch so you can replace the sendspace link.

IMO servers wierd so you do have to sign up.

We'll fix it soon like the last forum.

Anyways c ya.

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#30  October 31, 2007, 07:24:30 pm
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#31  October 31, 2007, 11:39:06 pm
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Ohsky said, October 31, 2007, 07:24:30 pm
I dloaded Gouken from ascended several hours ago and it was the first beta release. I suppose it got fixed.

Thanks, proves we have alot of suckups apprantly @ my forum because it's all "YEAH ITS THE RIGHT ONE""

I didn't upload it but I was told it was the patch.

Thanks for the info.

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#32  November 01, 2007, 06:45:08 pm
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#33  November 01, 2007, 07:32:35 pm
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vyn said, October 31, 2007, 03:55:37 pm
alexlexus said, October 28, 2007, 05:47:01 pm
when i asked for serious beta testers no one responded. i had a guy who just loved gouken to much and didn't look at the bugs and i am only now getting the feedback i needed.
so yeah the bugs came out now i released the beta and now people want to say i didn't put time in.
were was everyone when i was begging for testers? oh well
i am not taking it hard just understand that it's kinda messed up when i put it out there
i wanted help. no emo here just wanting to make the best gouken i can.


edit:

vyn if you arent busy could i get some help? laxxe just jumped on board so i know things are going to
move fast. not much really is left to do, just making thins tighter.

sorry too busy with school girl and my own work man and bout beta testers and asking for help, noobs get pretty much no help man i went trough it myself but the best beta tester u can find is urself i personally dont drop a move till i really really like it, every aspect of it if something bothers me even a little i always end up remaking it

and most beta testers just give a quick look, go "i love it man its perfect" and never touch it again... if u looking for some good ones ask exguile or sabaki (both from infinity team) both are very good and give some depth feedback especially sabaki and he is a creator too so he know what hes talking bout when he feedbacks, busy guy but im sure he will gladly beta test, both are trustworthy no need to worry

my code is open source if its any good since my ryu is sf3 too, all i can do for ya


thanks for letting me know that your are open source.
also
thanks for the tips cause if you were like me and made a ryu the way you did ,i know i am in good shape.
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#34  November 02, 2007, 02:09:19 am
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Alex, from my personal perspective i only can tell u that your Gouken is extremely slow in all his attacks, i mean, i get hit when making an attack nearly all the time. The opponents, doing the same attack at the same time, hit me first, so i cannot connect a thing.... except spamming hadoukens in the air (double hadouken is extremely slow as well).

This char should be as fast as Ryu Lvl 2, at least, in making it´s normal attacks, that would be perfect for a Sf3 Style char like this one. You should ask Az cal on how to improve that point.

Also, the teleport is nearly useless because is extremely slow too... lol. At least the forward teleport. The animation (when begins) should be much faster so u can use teleport to things other than escape from you opponents, like making an strategic attack; Im used to those kind of teleports shown on all "akuma like" chars (plague) and your is the slowest.

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#35  November 02, 2007, 02:54:19 am
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how do a make a character faster ? i mean i used the fighter factory 6 button tempalte to make him.
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#36  November 02, 2007, 03:03:31 am
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faster? you should be thinking about making it better.

I know he was talking about timings but I couldn't resist.

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#37  November 02, 2007, 03:47:26 am
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Judging by the Ohsky videos (thanks for filming and uploading them), I see Gouken as another overpowered character, and the reason why Baiken spits in the character (literally :P)

A little thing I noticed that no one said it before: his normal Tatsumaki makes a great among of damage, like half lifebar and maybe more (I see in the video how one of the opponents it's easily KOed just with Tatsumaki)

Also, why he has 2 kind of normal Tatsumaki instead just one?? I see the normal one, and one version which are like 2 flying kicks together.

And another thing may I could readed in MI: Why Gouken is more powerful than Gouki/Akuma?? He supposes to be a purist Ansatsuken practitioner, more than Ryu. So he doesn't have a great arsenal of moves like Akuma (and clones)

Well, I hope those things makes you improve Gouken ;) keep going


PD: Another little thing I noticed... the palette, it hasn't any shading, or a very litthe one (and also the palette in the video resembles MB Shotoman for me :P)

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#38  November 02, 2007, 03:59:40 am
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I gotta ask seriously...why'd ya add teleport?  ???

I didn't think he needed it.

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#39  November 02, 2007, 04:57:35 am
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Basara Eric said, November 02, 2007, 03:47:26 am
Judging by the Ohsky videos (thanks for filming and uploading them), I see Gouken as another overpowered character, and the reason why Baiken spits in the character (literally :P)

A little thing I noticed that no one said it before: his normal Tatsumaki makes a great among of damage, like half lifebar and maybe more (I see in the video how one of the opponents it's easily KOed just with Tatsumaki)

Also, why he has 2 kind of normal Tatsumaki instead just one?? I see the normal one, and one version which are like 2 flying kicks together.

And another thing may I could readed in MI: Why Gouken is more powerful than Gouki/Akuma?? He supposes to be a purist Ansatsuken practitioner, more than Ryu. So he doesn't have a great arsenal of moves like Akuma (and clones)

Well, I hope those things makes you improve Gouken ;) keep going


PD: Another little thing I noticed... the palette, it hasn't any shading, or a very litthe one (and also the palette in the video resembles MB Shotoman for me :P)


the overpowered thing is not kool seeing as i didn;t know about it till i saw the video.
this never happened to me during play.
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#40  November 02, 2007, 05:11:11 am
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Well, always it's good to search all the bug posibilities before release something (being a beta as a finished character/stage/screenpack/add-on)

I know you'll improve Gouken with all those feedback (even mine, since it's not very important because I'd judging just from a videos) and I hope the next update or 2nd beta will be better than the actual one ;)

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#41  November 02, 2007, 07:40:08 am
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i would like to share another video i made of the third update, the one with the teleport (please read video description to understand the video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_xXuBeIOUM


when i say slow i say that it´s slow in a point that only can be fixed on timings or something like that. As i am not on makin chars my feedback can only be very humble, that´s why i suggested u to ask az cal on it.

When others say Gouken is overpowered, he really isnt because he has a bug on making insanely amounts of dmg that triggers by reasons im not aware of (only seen that bug on the second update though).

I think what u already have done in your Gouken is more than wonderful, the problem is that it´s attacks connects too slowly compared to every other char i faced. You need to ask some experienced creator to get advice on that point. it should be easy to resolve, then your gouken would be great. It already is exception made from some corrections on damage done by all his attacks (see my video and description to understand what im talking about).

what i have noticed (to my personal pleasure) is that u added some little things that resembles slayer´s Gouken style (that wonderful only one Gouken that existed considered "illegal" on the "community"). That´s great, see for example how it´s teleport is similar to slayer´s Gouken. 
 

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#42  November 02, 2007, 09:58:30 am
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Take more time on your char and pals

Things i noticed and fixed for myself:



Heres what to do:


Looks like you just edited a already made akuma <___>
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#43  November 02, 2007, 01:51:12 pm
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ohsky hit me on aim so we can talk. you are heloing me in big ways and i know what  happened
with the damage thing and seven is showing me how to do damage scaling since people compalined gouken was weak and i upped the damage on moves and it turned into a bug.

looking at the video now.
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#44  November 03, 2007, 07:51:22 pm
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i added u at Aim, with adding to buddy list your "alexlexus18" is enough?. Nver used aim bfore. :S

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#45  November 04, 2007, 05:13:47 am
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#46  November 05, 2007, 02:36:19 pm
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ohsky you need to record at a lower volume cause it came out distorted.
alos fixed the damage thing it was the  damage damper code
the was triggered during parry and was going hay wire.

but now he doesn;t deal out as much damage as he should so i will have to
edit the cns some more. thanks laxxe for fixing the damage for me. and
vyn i barrowed the drop punch move and needing some pointers cause it works
but there is an explod that make gouken appear in from of  the attack
, i am removing the coding i don;t need but still no luck.

it's in ohsky's videos
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#47  November 05, 2007, 09:30:46 pm
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SomeonestoleDMK said, November 02, 2007, 03:59:40 am
I gotta ask seriously...why'd ya add teleport?  ???

I didn't think he needed it.

I disagree. As Akumas brother and a Master I feel he definateley needed it. I think he should have a bald head/ponytail combo too. Seriously. That's just me tho...

Now to the feedback, I assume the version I downloaded was already groomed with respect to the previous comments because he plays really well and has quickly  become one of my favorite additions to my roster...

What I did notice though was the very apparent phantom akuma sprites. (in all his dragon punches excluding the supers, in random throw animations regardless of being thrown or throwing someone, and also in his crouching block animations. )

**sidenote**The flames make the dragon punch to me. Excellent addition I suggest making it default. (I found it in his specials cns ;D)**-**,


I actually don't mind doing the edits myself for my own private use and its good practice for my character projects but for others it may not be as convenient. Like now I'm teaching myself how to light/shade since I never really learned to draw. So I intend to light/shade the dragon punch sequence with respect to the flames from his fist.


First attempt





Original Sprite







That's all I got for you for now. Sorry. All the minor damage concerns and command issues I had I changed myself and forgot all that I did to tell u the truth... :)


I do recall adding d,d  a+c to the commands for the shin ryu kick and adding d,df,f  a+c to the shinryuken. I have these buttons right next to each other and was wondering why you left that combination out...

Also u should mention somewhere that his combinations go from light attack, to medium attack, to fierce attack no matter punch or kick or crouching and also that they can mix it up (punches &kicks). I thought he couldn't combo well until I discovered that.

Great character tho. I think your feed back from here should just get better....
The others may have been tougher but they do good work and probably are just trying to get your work even better.

DAMMIT I KNEW I COULD DO IT!!!!
Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 12:55:00 am by nkomo

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#48  November 15, 2007, 10:04:13 pm
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#49  November 15, 2007, 11:00:36 pm
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Yea I'm not caring for these new pallets ....  o_O

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#50  November 16, 2007, 02:49:18 pm
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he-man and skeletor are just two act. i loved that cartoon in the 80's
so i wanted to show some of my history with it.

also the other acts will be fixed , but keep in mind i am
trying to polish the gameplay now as i am at 90% from final release.
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#51  November 17, 2007, 02:21:09 am
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  with Light punch

medium punch

heavy punch

it's in the new gouken but i am fixing some stuff. might needs laxxe's to iron out
some small bugs. so no more complaining about all the draongpunches being the same lol.
i am trying to make him different as best as possible.
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#52  November 17, 2007, 02:53:07 am
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I like it... it's really good character, wish I could make a good one... but I have no ides. Anyways, I noticed something fun. ^^
When you grab with the kicks, for a split second he turns into Akuma, very funny, and not noticable, just a little fun fact for those of you who wanna know. ^^

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#53  November 19, 2007, 02:39:52 am
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 ;)Yes this is looking much better  :sugoi: I say give him a super that has a count down like gen's... something only a true master would know.

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#54  November 19, 2007, 02:22:25 pm
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#55  November 19, 2007, 03:15:07 pm
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Gouken looks great, but  you must add more details on his beard...he looks santa claus! :santa:

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#56  November 19, 2007, 04:52:30 pm
u r doing a good work when r u going 2 release him im looking ford using him

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#57  November 19, 2007, 05:00:51 pm
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#58  November 19, 2007, 07:41:47 pm
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Gouken looks great, but  you must add more details on his beard...he looks santa claus! :santa:

I agree. You and and Ohsky should collaborate and redo the sprites based off of the Gouken in his avatar. Although I know you must be sick of editing sprites by now.

Ohsky

Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#59  November 19, 2007, 08:26:34 pm
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I don´t think that´s a good idea; his Gouken sprites seems good (although it resembles some kind of Santa Gouken Claus). My concept is another thing, younger but with the same or more potential depending on the creator that would use the sprites. Also, i am not on editing sprites. Im too lazy to waste one minute doing it; after doing those 10 sprites of the stance i said to myself: no more.  ;P


The last update got funnier, but the ground tatsumaky kick (qcb +k) goes up too high in height and don´t hits the opponent properly i think.
Last Edit: November 19, 2007, 08:34:43 pm by Ohsky

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#60  November 20, 2007, 04:53:07 am
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new super is in, it;s like an auto combo like azcal's lv2 ken and kof style move.

this will be shown in the next video. one the last two supers are in
all the polishing comes for final release.

the bugs will be fixed.
sprites will be polished and so on.
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#61  November 20, 2007, 07:20:40 am
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new super is in, it;s like an auto combo like azcal's lv2 ken and kof style move.

this will be shown in the next video. one the last two supers are in
all the polishing comes for final release.

the bugs will be fixed.
sprites will be polished and so on.


That awesome man I really like what you have done with your character. very creative.

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#62  November 21, 2007, 06:05:09 am
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#63  November 21, 2007, 06:20:00 am
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Looks pretty cool... can't wait for him to come out. ^^
Goken's always been one of my favorite characters, and so far, this one's looking good.

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#64  November 21, 2007, 09:42:31 am
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Ryu_Momochi said, November 21, 2007, 06:20:00 am
Looks pretty cool... can't wait for him to come out. ^^
Goken's always been one of my favorite characters, and so far, this one's looking good.

The Demonized in the silly mugen community slayer´s Gouken was one of your favorites?; im with you, man.

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#65  November 22, 2007, 07:28:18 am
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new updates to gouken:

fixed some animations.
and added the variations to the hurrican kick.

new voices are being added
and to rearranged stuff too.
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#66  November 22, 2007, 11:07:05 am
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Wow great creation not like the first Gouken he's soo cheap and over power....While playing with him he reminds me of akuma coz of he use semi raging storm and shadow movement(teleport) and D,F Kick are usualy use by those who use dark hadou ;P ......

the 2 new supers are kick ass it is very creative   
Keep up the good work :sugoi:

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus beta Release!!!!
#67  November 25, 2007, 04:55:09 am
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doing the last of the sprites cause i saw the dizzy sprites werent done and i can;t have that now lol.

i am not adding the last two supers till after full release and via a patch.

for the most part i am working on
 final sprites

making sure the hit sparks are ok.

and making certain supers cancel into each other.

redoing palletes, and trying to get more bug testing in.

laxxe saved me again. fixed a explode issue i had. thanks.
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus WIP
#68  November 27, 2007, 03:04:40 pm
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus WIP
#69  November 28, 2007, 02:44:22 am
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Has anyone seen the video yet?
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus WIP
#70  November 28, 2007, 04:51:15 am
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I just saw it... good job!  Personally I think you should changing that lighting effect to something more crisp.

btw wheres that gen countdown super we were talking about  :P

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus WIP
#71  November 28, 2007, 06:39:57 am
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gouken 2.0

which will have that , and the last 2 supers and 1 super from evil and and ryu mixed in honor of reu.

1)the gen super will be like the sfa3 if all coding goes well.
2) the mk vs sf super will be the maximum spider like thing akuma did in the flash
    and i already got some code basing for it.
3) the evil ken/ryu super

    gouken will dash back then dash frward like evil kens sgs suped up dash move.
    but it will have the effects of ryu's giant punch super which is like a shungouku satu with
    the hitting you.

4) something i will keep underwraps to kinda make sure gouken is the master but this move will behave like an mvc vs series stll super
the gouken i am releasing in a few days will be 1.0
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus WIP
#72  December 05, 2007, 05:06:15 am
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gouken is in his final stages before 1.0 release.
more sprites done
and alot more.
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Re: Gouken by alexlexus WIP
#73  December 05, 2007, 05:11:07 am
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I see you are really dedicated to gouken, he looks great and it looks like all of your hard work will pay off, great job man!

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Re: Gouken by alexlexus WIP
#74  December 07, 2007, 03:59:10 am
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newest gouken
 new animations, new dash,
tweaks

fixed supers etc.

too lazy to type since i worked on him all day long.

please positive feedback so i can finish him up.
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Last Edit: December 07, 2007, 04:53:20 am by alexlexus

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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#75  December 07, 2007, 05:20:48 am
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Ok here I go. Hope some stuff doesn't repeat itself:

  • The Strong Kick sprite in the air still needs to be editted a little. Some random jagged edges why?
  • The Shoryukens don't fire off hitsparks during all it's hits when it is fired from different angles. Such as a little farther away from the opponent
  • Why does Weak Shoryuken have more hits then Medium Shoryuken?
  • New stance =o needs a little more movement
  • Do you think a little rotation is required for the Gou Hadouken Special so it actually looks like it's headed for the opponent at the diagnol it's going for?
  • Think you should work on the time the spark comes off during the taunt?
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#76  December 07, 2007, 10:13:56 am
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Sup Alexus. Sorry this is a bit late..I feel asleep and had just woken up. Not feeling very well.  :sugoi:

Anyways here's some feedback for Gouken.  :)

Hitsparks:

I noticed on his Fireball Haduken rather then like his double haduken they hit rather low. Dispite being a medium hit attack. Not sure if it's the hitdef being for low attack or the hitsparks themselves. It just seems like odd postioning nothing serious on it though.

I don't see anything wrong with the other hit spirtes for Hadukens or attacks and they seem to be well placed. Good job.

CLSN's:

CLSN2's

His stance and power stance ones have really jagged CLSN2's.

This is from his reguler stance or action I.D. 0



See how there are mutiple ones. I belive a good CLSN for this kinda animations where the sprites stay consistant and pretty much togather should look like this:



Give or take a few pixels here or there and maybe adding one entire CLSN2 for the head. The character shouldn't really(depending on the sprite style) 3 CLSN2's per sprite or 4 at the most radical.

CLSN1's:

There not bad to many don't give priority but I noticed some don't even cover the attack sprite properly like this attack here or action I.D. 200:



Threw out the action animations I noticed some don't cover the entire sprite.  :(

I know CLSN's are boring but hey it's what makes a character effective.  :D

Medium kick or action I.D. 240's CLSN1 perturds out of the CLSN2 in the attack animation.

Roundhouse kick or action I.D. 250 has wierd CLSN1's and 2's. The CLSN1's are outside the CLSN2's.

Jab Elbow or action I.D. 205 has pertruding CLSN1's outside the CLSN2's.

Gameplay:

The character is getting alot more fun to use.

Dispite some things above his gameplay is tightening up and his combos are easy to pull off but not to an unfair advantage making a good medium or lower skill level to play.

The afterimages on the dash back and fowward look  abit odd. I think perhaps shortening the time they're on or giving them more transparancy will make it flow better. My opinion there of course. <_<

Overall:

Not bad Alex. Your coming along fine. He just needs a few CLSN tweeking. Sprites cleaned up and some moves hitsparks fixed and you'll be on your way bro.

Nice of you to bring Gouken alive like this and I applaud you bro.

Great job and any other problems like de-bug or something similar I'll post.

Nice job once again.  :sugoi:



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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#77  December 07, 2007, 04:48:10 pm
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sorry bout that those 4 clsn you mentioned are my fault i used FF's auto clsn maker because the ones before it didnt match up at all and were abit too big and out of the way
ill fix em um for alex
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#78  December 07, 2007, 07:35:07 pm
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Laxxe23 said, December 07, 2007, 04:48:10 pm
sorry bout that those 4 clsn you mentioned are my fault i used FF's auto clsn maker because the ones before it didnt match up at all and were abit too big and out of the way
ill fix em um for alex

np. nothing to be sorry about.
i need to know how to make the afterimage off the dash trans tho
cause i don't know what to replace this with:

trans = none
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alexlexus

Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#79  December 11, 2007, 06:31:13 am
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nice new hit sparks , and new charging effect.

fine tweaking is left.
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#80  December 11, 2007, 08:42:46 am
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> I was just testing out your Gouken character, and here are my findings...

> Gouken is standing perfectly still in his stance, and looks like a statue. A moving stance would look a whole lot nicer.

> Gouken is standing a tad too low compared to KFM, and would look better if raised one or two pixels.


> Gouken doesn't always turn around when opponent jumps over him.

> Gouken dips into the ground abnormally when knocked down.

> An example of a really well done knock down animation can be seen in Sean by DG.
http://dgmugen.cjb.net/

> The EX Dragon Punch (FDDf + HP) costs half a stock, but can be done even without the required energy.

> All Level 1 supers except the super spinning kick (QCB + 2K) do too little damage, which is comparable to that of the EX Dragon Punch.

> The flying kick (BDDb + K) needs a sound.

> The overall sound seems a bit too loud and it would be better if lowered by half a decibel.

> On the other hand, I really like the new AI, and I find it to be really challenging, but not too cheap. As soon as I get a new PS2 joystick, I can fight against him in Arcade mode. I also really like the energy charge effect.

> I'm really looking forward to Gouken's completion, and think it would be an excellent addition to my roster as a boss character.

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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#81  December 11, 2007, 01:13:29 pm
Cool!! Gouken!! it's really cool, but cool you possibly make a Shen Long?

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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#82  December 11, 2007, 03:06:32 pm
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#83  December 11, 2007, 05:40:56 pm
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Actualy you both are wrong.

Shen Long = Prank made by EGM back in the 90's

Gouken = Ryu and Ken's sensei

Don't take my word for it, go to wikipedia.com and they will have it there.

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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#84  December 11, 2007, 05:49:07 pm
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Casey Jones said, December 11, 2007, 05:40:56 pm
Actualy you both are wrong.

Shen Long = Prank made by EGM back in the 90's

Gouken = Ryu and Ken's sensei

Don't take my word for it, go to wikipedia.com and they will have it there.

thats what i thought but i didnt finish reading the comics yet lol

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#85  December 11, 2007, 06:02:20 pm
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Which comics? If you don't mind me asking.

Also in an ending in street fighter alpha they give someone that appears to look much like shen long.

Essentially shen long is just a prank. They even gave him a story about how his fighting style is both japanese and chinese in order to make it ound convinceable.

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#86  December 11, 2007, 06:59:37 pm
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the street fighter 2 comics i have them i can send them to you if you want  :sugoi:

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#88  December 11, 2007, 09:37:10 pm
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Anyway, as Casey Jones said:
Gouken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia said:
It should be noted that the early English localizations of the Street Fighter II games referred to a "Master Sheng Long" as Ryu and Ken's master. The name was derived from one of Ryu's win quote in the arcade version of the original game, which was actually a mistranslation of Ryu's signature move, the Shoryuken. After the Sheng Long April Fools' prank by Electronic Gaming Monthly, Capcom USA dropped the name Sheng Long and later adapted the name Gouken in their localizations.

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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#89  December 11, 2007, 11:14:14 pm
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Sheng Long is an april fools joke.


Btw, Gouken´s AI was meant to be boss level, sub boss, normal?.

For me personally the harder the better, this one is not very much.
Last Edit: December 11, 2007, 11:22:02 pm by Ohsky

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#90  December 11, 2007, 11:44:06 pm
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Ohsky said, December 11, 2007, 11:14:14 pm
Sheng Long is an april fools joke.


Btw, Gouken´s AI was meant to be boss level, sub boss, normal?.

For me personally the harder the better, this one is not very much.

his ai is the same as AZcals Gouki mk vs sf with my edits and his AI was a beast.
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#91  December 12, 2007, 03:02:26 am
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Gouki is a parry maniac... I can only get a few good hits off with Evil Ken and Ryu... but that's mostly cause their Hadoukens are multihitters. He always parries my Zeeky's Blah man super... which really sucks cause that's one of my best combo starters with that cheap bastard... either way though, he's great... his standing sprite just needs some motion...

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#92  December 12, 2007, 07:17:26 am
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Last Edit: December 12, 2007, 07:23:44 am by alexlexus

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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#93  December 12, 2007, 02:00:33 pm
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#94  December 12, 2007, 06:56:47 pm
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I noticed your Gouken has the aerial downward kick (QCF+Kick) and using weak/medium/strong kicks knock down the opponent.

Were you planning on mimicking other characters (ie Evil Ryu) and setting the medium kick to bounce off the opponent?

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#95  December 12, 2007, 07:07:20 pm
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I've tested the new Gouken AI with CvS Gouki by Warusaki3 and Shin Gouki by P.o.t.S.
These are the results:

3 Round CPU VS CPU:

Gouken - CvS Gouki: 3-1
Gouken - Shin Gouki: 3-2

Gouken isn't cheap, its AI is really good but he repeat same moves: For example= Combination 1:LP Shoryuken, MP Shoryuken, Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, Super: Gou Zankuu or Combination 2: Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, Super: Gou Zankuu, Super: Gou Zankuu, LP Shoryuken....Rarely use Ashura Senkuu, Double Hadoukens, Hadouken, Flying Kick....(Sorry for the bad English!  ;P)

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Skank88 said, December 12, 2007, 07:07:20 pm
I've tested the new Gouken AI with CvS Gouki by Warusaki3 and Shin Gouki by P.o.t.S.
These are the results:

3 Round CPU VS CPU:

Gouken - CvS Gouki: 3-1
Gouken - Shin Gouki: 3-2

Gouken isn't cheap, its AI is really good but he repeat same moves: For example= Combination 1:LP Shoryuken, MP Shoryuken, Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, Super: Gou Zankuu or Combination 2: Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, Super: Gou Zankuu, Super: Gou Zankuu, LP Shoryuken....Rarely use Ashura Senkuu, Double Hadoukens, Hadouken, Flying Kick....(Sorry for the bad English!  ;P)


i am working on that wth Azcal or if someone else is good with AI can help me i can make more variations in his behavoir.
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#97  December 12, 2007, 10:14:56 pm
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Skank88 said, December 12, 2007, 07:07:20 pm
I've tested the new Gouken AI with CvS Gouki by Warusaki3 and Shin Gouki by P.o.t.S.
These are the results:

3 Round CPU VS CPU:

Gouken - CvS Gouki: 3-1
Gouken - Shin Gouki: 3-2

Gouken isn't cheap, its AI is really good but he repeat same moves: For example= Combination 1:LP Shoryuken, MP Shoryuken, Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, Super: Gou Zankuu or Combination 2: Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, Super: Gou Zankuu, Super: Gou Zankuu, LP Shoryuken....Rarely use Ashura Senkuu, Double Hadoukens, Hadouken, Flying Kick....(Sorry for the bad English!  ;P)


i am working on that wth Azcal or if someone else is good with AI can help me i can make more variations in his behavoir.

i told you at first if you were going to implement my gouki's AI just splat on like that, it'll be hard to inter-combine your own moves while trying to see what conditionals I used, etc. Try re-doing it, but using mine as a guidance, it may help if you want to get more advanced with Gouken.

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#98  December 12, 2007, 10:54:13 pm
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aZ Cal said, December 12, 2007, 10:14:56 pm
alexlexus said, December 12, 2007, 07:33:26 pm
Skank88 said, December 12, 2007, 07:07:20 pm
I've tested the new Gouken AI with CvS Gouki by Warusaki3 and Shin Gouki by P.o.t.S.
These are the results:

3 Round CPU VS CPU:

Gouken - CvS Gouki: 3-1
Gouken - Shin Gouki: 3-2

Gouken isn't cheap, its AI is really good but he repeat same moves: For example= Combination 1:LP Shoryuken, MP Shoryuken, Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, Super: Gou Zankuu or Combination 2: Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, Super: Gou Zankuu, Super: Gou Zankuu, LP Shoryuken....Rarely use Ashura Senkuu, Double Hadoukens, Hadouken, Flying Kick....(Sorry for the bad English!  ;P)


i am working on that wth Azcal or if someone else is good with AI can help me i can make more variations in his behavoir.

i told you at first if you were going to implement my gouki's AI just splat on like that, it'll be hard to inter-combine your own moves while trying to see what conditionals I used, etc. Try re-doing it, but using mine as a guidance, it may help if you want to get more advanced with Gouken.

it was just ot use as a guide. and i modding it daily.
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#99  December 13, 2007, 02:48:34 pm
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hey alexlexus are you planning on fixing his pallete? imo, the palette looks odd and doesn't look like gouken. just asking. :)

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#100  December 13, 2007, 02:51:21 pm
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Some of it has already been said, but whatever :

- Just activate debug mode in watch, and look at the flood that pops out (changed to invalid state blabla)
- Once he parries once, the rate at which he can parry all the other hits is too high and not humanly possible IMO.
- Use a lower volume please.
- The HTML readme is ugly : you let the AI commands inside, and you could make some comments about the moves.
- The AI doesn't have the same stance as the human player. o_O
- The stance CLSN changes although Gouken isn't moving at all. Plus, there are too much.
- Super background is misaligned (you can see the stage appearing at the bottom of the screen).
- Some little infinite priority on basic moves. (blue CLSNs must cover red ones)
- The little air fireball doesn't explod when touching the ground. Plus, both air fireballs don't make a noise when touching the ground.
- Big infinite priority on air basics.
- qcb+2K has huge red CLSN on the feet. Rather put them normal size, add a helper to vaccum the opponent.
- The looping explod sound for QCB+2P is painful for the ears.
- Air qcb+P fireball is very slow, and all the variations go the same speed. Try to add some variety.
- 2qcb+P deals 240 damage to a guarding opponent, that's really too much.
- Is it normal the Gouken looks like he's sliding during hadoken (qcb+P) ?
- Hadoken doesn't touch if performed very closely to the opponent (tested on a CVS sized char).
- Why don't hadokens have an explod sprite ?
- Hadoken effect still has a shadow.
- The dragon sprite on D,D+b+c is cut, which doesn't look very nice.
- D,D+b+c removes too much life for a Lv1 super.
- If you jump over the opponent and continue jumping holding the jump button, Gouken won't face the opponent.
- All super give back some power, whereas they shouldn't.
- D,D+x+a has a column effect which should touch the ground IMO instead of being cut in the air.
- light dragon punch deals more damage than medium one. Invert them.
- On his hard dragon punch, he has pink hair (basic palette).
- He doesn't say anything on air hurricane kick.
- Jump forward + HK = WHAT ? Look at the sprites (though I suppose they're in WIP) and the placement of the hitspark.

- Hitsparks on hurricane are slightly misaligned, and the hitboxes need some work.
- D,D+y+z still doesn't make sense IMO.
- B,D,DB+K has a horrible looping sound (and also have the WIP sprites).
- Teleportation would be better if made normally, so that we can control the distance and if we want to go forward or backwards. Here, it's too predictable.
- You may want to exchange the kick and puch throw commands, as the y+z is a tomoe nage (kick throw) and vice versa.
- b+c throw creates a huge debug flood.

That's what I could find after some testing. I haven't tested the whole gameplay system yet, and the various combos, so there should be more. He's much better than last time. Now, I think he really has enough moves to be able to react in whatever situation. You have to polish all the moves and make them perfect in all means. A solid gameplay is the key to a very good character.

Good continuation, this character truly has potential.

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#102  December 14, 2007, 02:26:24 pm
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the dragon being cut off is ligers fault, he made me do it, ill make sure that alex and i get those things fixed, also i will eventually try to get that high kick in the air to not look crappy once i or alex have time for it, but thanks very much for the feedback this is exactly whats needed to help alex complete this XD
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#103  December 15, 2007, 08:25:20 am
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all the negatives have been said however i had no objections to the sound.
To me the sound is awesome.it really gives him originality and for some of the
moves it shows emphasis in his power and technique

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#104  December 17, 2007, 05:57:18 am
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new gouken beta out at ascended mugen site. sgs added but there is a bug i will fix tomarrow but you can still use it , the target might vanish on some chars but rest asured i am on it.


fixed hit spark placement also on many attacks.
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#105  December 24, 2007, 06:02:13 am
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#106  December 25, 2007, 05:02:48 pm
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/8a27df


merry christmas

gouken released.

v.95


full release.



AI bugs are being worked on. for the air parry, simple fix.
everything is working
and the kick is smoothed out now. and new AI.
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#107  December 25, 2007, 06:28:21 pm
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Duh...I can't download him becase it says:

"Sorry, the free service is at full capacity.

Please try later or upgrade to sendspace Max™ to enable guaranteed slots and instant, fast downloads."

Can you use another uploader like rapidshare, megaupload etc...?

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#108  December 25, 2007, 06:32:01 pm
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try again, it will work, sometimes you need to try afew times
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#109  December 25, 2007, 06:42:42 pm
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I've tried a lot of times but it doesn't work...

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#110  December 25, 2007, 06:46:58 pm
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i think it also might be at ascendedmugen
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#111  December 25, 2007, 07:02:41 pm
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I've checked Ascended Mugen, It isn't updated...

But now link works!   :sugoi:
Downloading him!

Feedback soon!  :sugoi:
Last Edit: December 25, 2007, 07:08:31 pm by Skank88

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#112  December 25, 2007, 07:29:23 pm
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hehe...thanks Alexlexus! and a Merry Xmas To you! feedback later!! :sugoi: :sugoi: :sugoi:

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#113  December 25, 2007, 08:42:30 pm
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#114  December 26, 2007, 07:49:18 pm
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sup anyone like the release?
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#115  December 27, 2007, 07:24:47 pm
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#116  December 27, 2007, 10:25:35 pm
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#117  December 30, 2007, 11:54:33 am
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Well after testing him out finally I'm seeing a lot of improvement, but you need to Get rid of that horrible Jumping FK sprite already or add some more sprites to it and the uppercut touches are great but I think you need to add some more hits to it seems kinda odd he twirls in the air for no reason afterwords lol maybe make it vacuum the character in???..... other then that seems great, just no gen super yet   :-\
Last Edit: December 30, 2007, 11:59:22 am by AiRiC

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#118  December 30, 2007, 06:16:33 pm
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AiRiC said, December 30, 2007, 11:54:33 am
Well after testing him out finally I'm seeing a lot of improvement, but you need to Get rid of that horrible Jumping FK sprite already or add some more sprites to it and the uppercut touches are great but I think you need to add some more hits to it seems kinda odd he twirls in the air for no reason afterwords lol maybe make it vacuum the character in???..... other then that seems great, just no gen super yet   :-\

Gen super will be release in another update.

i added new stuff to gouken.


heavens phoneix driver kick super


animated the power stance a bit


added new buring effects for the fireball super.

and fixing the parry  timing. cause after playg a friend of mine i saw that i was abused and made gouken cheap.
as much as i wanted him to be able to keep up with ryuuken and seven the parrying will be adjusted.
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#119  February 15, 2008, 02:30:27 pm
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#120  February 15, 2008, 08:18:56 pm
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Looks intressting.
Still - skip Akuma's voiceover. You could use Master Gen Fu's voice from Dead or Alive series.
And you use some of Akuma's moves. Don't. Use some others. :)
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#121  February 17, 2008, 03:52:51 am
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gouken 2.0 has been released.
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#122  February 17, 2008, 05:17:19 am
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#123  February 17, 2008, 07:54:22 am
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A sprite in his intro doesn't really have a color match with the rest of the pallette

If you going as far as to make D,DF,F,x+y and D,DF,F,y+z, why not make a D,DF,F,x+z?
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#124  February 17, 2008, 08:39:46 am
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#125  February 17, 2008, 09:28:18 am
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Other than some of the sounds, Its very good, nicely done  :sugoi:

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#126  February 17, 2008, 09:33:47 am
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o wow ^_^ great gouken and im honored u used my pallete as 2nd!!!  :sugoi: but i got 2 more palletes that every1 would enjoy if u want them?

p.s. the whole look of gouken got a overdrive ^_^ very cool
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#127  March 03, 2008, 02:56:28 am
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#128  March 03, 2008, 03:05:03 am
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dashing shadows thing is horrible.... Ya he's gouken but cmon it looks cheese as hell!

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#129  March 03, 2008, 04:42:14 am
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AiRiC said, March 03, 2008, 03:05:03 am
dashing shadows thing is horrible.... Ya he's gouken but cmon it looks cheese as hell!


just a new trade make that all my wips will have for like cool effect. it looks blank
without it.
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#130  March 04, 2008, 03:42:57 pm
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#131  March 04, 2008, 08:55:23 pm
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alexlexus i don't know if this has been mentioned before but when gouken finishes off the other player with his shungokusetsu he keeps repeating his winpose when the hawk symbol apeares in the background. Not sure if he's supposed to do this just thought id let you know.

I like the new makeover you gave him its awsome :)

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#132  March 04, 2008, 11:06:20 pm
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18mb??¿, wtf have u improved on him so he became that big?.  :o

(some log on changes/improvements/bugfixes would help in every update).
Last Edit: March 04, 2008, 11:44:32 pm by Ohsky

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#133  March 05, 2008, 12:01:35 am
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Ninetailes said, March 04, 2008, 08:55:23 pm
alexlexus i don't know if this has been mentioned before but when gouken finishes off the other player with his shungokusetsu he keeps repeating his winpose when the hawk symbol apeares in the background. Not sure if he's supposed to do this just thought id let you know.

I like the new makeover you gave him its awsome :)
it's the mp3's i'm sorry for this i am trying to fix that now.
as far as improvements he is more solid now.
and the winpose i am working on. i thing i have to fix the change state after it.
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#134  March 05, 2008, 09:35:38 am
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alexlexus said, March 05, 2008, 12:01:35 am
and the winpose i am working on. i thing i have to fix the change state after it.
Yeah, I had a lot of problem with that, all the thing is that I had to give back control to the character just before entering the winpose (at least, that's how I managed it):
[mcode]
[State 13100, WinP]
type = VarSet
triggerall = var(3) = 0
trigger1 = NumEnemy = 1
trigger1 = P2Life = 0
trigger2 = NumEnemy = 2
trigger2 = (EnemyNear(0), Life) + (EnemyNear(1), Life) = 0
var(3) = 1

[state 13100, give control]
type = ctrlset
trigger1 = (time = 230) && (var(3)=1) && winko
value = 1

[state 13100, no control]
type = ctrlset
trigger1 = (time = 231) && (var(3)=1) && winko
value = 0

[State 13100, End]
type = ChangeState
trigger1 = winko && (var(3) = 1) && (time = 235)
value = 180[/mcode]

And in state 180, a changeanim triggered on var(3)=1.

The super background is still misaligned. We can still perfectly see the stage at the bottom of the screen.

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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#135  March 05, 2008, 07:05:02 pm
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#136  March 05, 2008, 07:10:05 pm
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please wait for alex to put up a mirror link, not someone else, as alex doesnt want gouken uploaded anywhere without permission
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#137  March 05, 2008, 10:41:50 pm
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#138  March 07, 2008, 02:33:21 pm
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ok the upload is at ascended mugen now. this is the last release till gouken finale comes out.
trust me when i say gouken is going to be 100% after this beta.
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Re: Update Gouken by alexlexus wip
#139  March 07, 2008, 08:29:17 pm
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Is it possible to remove the MvC TAG option out of this charecter. When I use him in Team Arcade mode one hops out the fight leaving one to fight alone by himself til he dies.

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#140  March 08, 2008, 01:29:12 pm
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I must say that I am a fan of this creation and have just got the new one at Ascended Mugen.  Didnt think that you would make him 10x stronger than the original one you had.  Is there a way to turn that off and use it as a Shin version?

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Gouken is 100% completed and for those who are having issues with tag i will release a non tag patched version after release. but you can hold how Z when you pikc him to turn it off.

exapmple pick him and press and hold z tille the round starts.
better yet check his cmd it's going to show you how to turn it off

edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZL3kDgwGEM
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