Rajaa said, June 05, 2009, 01:56:50 amLeunamros said, June 05, 2009, 01:43:14 amFrederika Bernkastel~ said, June 05, 2009, 01:38:27 amJust No Point said, June 05, 2009, 12:41:19 amIf I get cancer like he did I'll kill myself when it starts getting to the point of no return. Screw that kind of life. It's no way to live at all for you or for the ones that love you and have to take care of you till your body finally gives it up (which can take a LONG LONG TIME!!!)then the day after you killed yourself a cure for cancer is discovered.no way, the big pharma want us with it for profit. Most probably.Make a new thread for what you want to talk about on pharma's ethics, that will make a whole new topic.wow the passive agressive idiot attacks. Enough on this.
Leunamros,If you don't start being more respectful of others, I'm going to kill my self.No seriously, stop being so aggressive aggressive. Yeah, you are right we should have split the topic. But the way you ordered it, made everyone say, fuck this guy, and go right on ahead talking about it. People will always react to how you say something. Next time, try being more respectful. I bet it gets a lot further.Anyway, please continue the discussion.
It´s ridiculous, i have been respectful, but i hate passive agressive people. I have no powers to order a shit, but if people take things that way it´s their problem not mine. if im so irritating my participation here is no longer needed. I just asked to be on topic , they went oftopic for whole paragraphs, i came out with one offtopic line and the smartass come to get me, fuck it man, i have lost my interes on participating anymore. Mugen nerds... that´s what im exposed when discussing serious things here. The mistake was mine for even start this. Now im the only one being disrespectful?, see the reports...If my will is to lock this topic it should be respected.You SHOULD create another 2 threads: -ethics on suicide-ethics on military (or soldier´s life).You should create many more but anyways a mugen forum is not centered on discussing more profound issues but rather mugen itself.
Quit locking the thread please The thing with discussions is that sometimes it can branch off and lead to other conversations. Normally it will continue that path for a bit then everyone will get back to topic.Separating the discussions each time would be counter productive to the discussions because they formed OUT of this one.Adding another smile ( ) in hopes you do not take the context of this as an attack, undermining, retaliative, sarcastic, or some other "out to get you" context Text, guide my intentions well!
It is ridiculous how one can become so irritated when indicted by something that is exactly the same as to how they treat other people.
Just No Point said, June 05, 2009, 10:04:58 pmQuit locking the thread please The thing with discussions is that sometimes it can branch off and lead to other conversations. Normally it will continue that path for a bit then everyone will get back to topic.Separating the discussions each time would be counter productive to the discussions because they formed OUT of this one.Adding another smile ( ) in hopes you do not take the context of this as an attack, undermining, retaliative, sarcastic, or some other "out to get you" context Text, guide my intentions well!the problem about oversensitivity is obvious: create another thread. Dont feel so guilty, it´s not my problem. Not yours, as well. I was just feeling responsible of keeping the thread on topic because i was started it.
I think you have a point just no point Yeah people here moderate a lot of unnecessary stuff way too much. A discussion wouldn't be a discussion if no one disagreed on anything, heck in many situations, it's appropriate to be a little passionate to get a very valid point across. I watch a lot of Divorce Court and Judge Joe Brown and Judy and i gotta tell yeah moderators aren't always needed for every single thing. What's next? Are you gonna separate every topic based on sexes now? Is there gonna be child boards for female and walrus posters? Splitting and locking threads is going a little overboard, moving my project is one thing but this is just abusive towards black...I mean members Sorry i went MLKjr. again I think debates like these should run on because they seriously don't harm anyone except egos which is entertaining and good for forums anyway because traffic is traffic no matter what downloads are available. What would mugen be without a little drama anyway?
my thoughts is that this debate should split into more debates, separated , indeed, because it´s a rich action. Why the fuck that is some drama source?¿.you can´t put some thing for some person "ethics on suicide", and then, many responses afterwards, some person enter the thread and finally read about 100 things unrelated to the essential thing that created the thread, and still think the thread is some kind of source to be conceives as something to be considered.I carry on being a forum participant since 1999, and i know what im talking about when spliting threads into specific discussion threads, it´s much more rich; with all my respect it´s ll i can say.
Why not let us do the moderating.I mean your attitude is what caused your thread to go way off topic. Just read the progression. As soon as you started making the small deviations into a big thing, the entire topic was ruined. What's it about now? What should or should not be split?In the future, let the mods moderate. You should have reported it when it went of topic and nothing more.
shamrock said, June 06, 2009, 07:19:10 amWhy not let us do the moderating.I mean your attitude is what caused your thread to go way off topic. Just read the progression. As soon as you started making the small deviations into a big thing, the entire topic was ruined. What's it about now? What should or should not be split?In the future, let the mods moderate. You should have reported it when it went of topic and nothing more.mods here are not trustworthy under my point of view.
shamrock said, June 06, 2009, 07:22:36 amI see. you make me feel guilty, who gives you the license to judge me?.
It's moreso the fact that you seem to be more of a supporting global moderator. It seems like you still have to ask your mommy and daddy gmods permission more than you should for authorizing your bans. Then again, banning a user for a year is a bit much. Eh, what do I care. I'm just the rebellious voice-of-reason who is his own worst enemy thanks to the occasional foot-in-mouth antics. I love it.
shamrock said, June 06, 2009, 07:49:21 amThanks. Maybe that's why people are not taking me seriously. You need something that screams wise and smart.... something like Sepp's avatar!!! Not saying you are wise and smart, just saying you'd get more respect. I'm not saying you aren't wise and smart either.
I already found one with a similar heritage. Plus, White Christmas always makes me think of the Die Hard movies.
Leunamros said, June 06, 2009, 07:15:09 ammy thoughts is that this debate should split into more debates, separated , indeed, because it´s a rich action. Why the fuck that is some drama source?¿.you can´t put some thing for some person "ethics on suicide", and then, many responses afterwards, some person enter the thread and finally read about 100 things unrelated to the essential thing that created the thread, and still think the thread is some kind of source to be conceives as something to be considered.I think splitting discussions is more confusing.The new topic doesn't make sense. You have to read the old topic the discussion was split from to understand the new topic anyway. I don't really get confused when I jump into a thread talking about suicide and the posts on the 1st page I click on are about angsty soldiers =p
Agreed, there is a difference between a slight deviation and a thread derailment.It deviates, gets a little cold and then goes right back on subject. The reason I split this one off, is it had no hope of ever going back on topic. It would have been a bitch session and nothing more.
so here mod stands for moderator not modification/or? that confused me since it is different from one forum to the other
Want to add something.shamrock said, June 06, 2009, 07:19:10 amWhy not let us do the moderating.I mean your attitude is what caused your thread to go way off topic. Just read the progression. As soon as you started making the small deviations into a big thing, the entire topic was ruined. What's it about now? What should or should not be split?In the future, let the mods moderate. You should have reported it when it went of topic and nothing more.Everybody should do their best to moderate.Most boards I know where "only the mods moderate", disagreements work like this:Instead of doing something themselves, people just report and point fingers etc.- I will sick the mods on you!- Yeah call the mods! Let them show him!!- ...Because this happens way too much, all the mods then usually do is lock the topic or something like that and move on to lock the next five topics.PS: The current topic title, "User think they are better mods than the mods" seems rather offensive.PPS: It's not impossible that users might be better mods than the mods.
Obviously Step 0 is being able to moderate yourself~ I suppose if he ever got past that we'd get a pretty good show. How many paranoid enlightened conspiracy theorist aliens do you think visit this forum?
Sepp said, June 07, 2009, 03:04:27 pmPS: The current topic title, "User think they are better mods than the mods" seems rather offensive.PPS: It's not impossible that users might be better moderators than the moderators.Definitely agreed. Although, in this particular case, this user was not better than mods, although her claims to be a higher being.Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltybut if moderators are users too, does that mean that they can be better than themselves?!The idea of non-moderators reporting to moderators all the time like mindless zombies, who know that moderators will always take the side of the reporter and always be against the reported, would make this forum just like the many rest: the moderators come in and don't even consider the situation, they just proceed to locking and/or using any other method to end discussion on the problem topic.I have noticed that in many of the MUGEN forums, especially MFG & MI, moderators do care about how their actions will be perceived by all users, thus making moderators think the situation through, thoroughly and making what they concluded to be the best action to take, if any action at all. The vigilant and rebellious attitudes here is what keeps the moderators at their toes and on their best behavior, I believe, I could be wrong. *shrugs*
महान सम्राट said, June 07, 2009, 03:22:29 pmThe vigilant and rebellious attitudes here is what keeps the moderators at their toes and on their best behavior, I believe, I could be wrong. *shrugs*thats a good explanation.
महान सम्राट said, June 07, 2009, 03:22:29 pmI have noticed that in many of the MUGEN forums, especially MFG & MI, moderators do care about how their actions will be perceived by all users, thus making moderators think the situation through, thoroughly and making what they concluded to be the best action to take, if any action at all. Don't get me wrong: I think we're almost as far away from what I warned against as possible.That's pretty great. Most of the serious All That's Left topics are completely impossible on many boards.QuoteThe vigilant and rebellious attitudes here is what keeps the moderators at their toes and on their best behavior, I believe, I could be wrong. *shrugs*What?!Are you saying our careless attitudes and that we let users get away with that kind of thing and not regularly beat them down somehow also actually helps to make for a better forum experience? Hey, maybe we should also make the staff and reports sections public. महान सम्राट said, June 07, 2009, 03:22:29 pmSpoiler, click to toggle visibiltybut if moderators are users too, does that mean that they can be better than themselves?!ohsky would be the first to tell you so. We can all be better than ourselves!!!
Sepp said, June 07, 2009, 03:35:52 pmDon't get me wrong: I think we're almost as far away from what I warned against as possible.That's pretty great. Most of the serious All That's Left topics are completely impossible on many boards.Nope, I didn't get you wrong, I was just cleverly repeating what you said to sound smart. Sepp said, June 07, 2009, 03:35:52 pmWhat?!Are you saying our careless attitudes and that we let users get away with that kind of thing and not regularly beat them down somehow also actually helps to make for a better forum experience? Hey, maybe we should also make the staff and reports sections public. I'm not saying that exactly: I don't mean moderators here are careless, maybe understanding, willing to change or bend any of their beliefs if they feel it is better; and that it is caused by them consdering how other users will react to actions taken. I guess that does lead to better forum experience, you guys aren't taming users like zoo animals, for users to not do this and that, etc... you don't even have in the rules "Don't question moderators or you will get banned." It's not true in 100% of all situations here, but it's a pretty darn high percentile.Sepp said, June 07, 2009, 03:35:52 pmohsky would be the first to tell you so. We can all be better than ourselves!!!Heheh, and he'd be the first to tell us that we will never be better than anything if we keep following the "herd."
(careless was a sort of joke)Spoiler: I'm overdoing this (click to see content)[i]God Emperor of Dune[/i] (1981) said:Most civilation is based on cowardice. It is so easy to civilize by teaching cowardice. You water down the standards which would lead to bravery. You restrain the will. You regulate the appetites. You fence in the horizons. You make a law for every movement. You deny the existence of chaos. You teach even the children to breath slowly. You tame.[i]The Demolished Man[/i] (1952) said:" ... Three or four hundred years ago, cops used to catch people like Reich just to kill them. Capital punishment, they called it." "You're kidding." "Scout's honor." "But it doesn't make sense. If a man's got the talent and guts to buck society, he's obviously above average. You want to hold onto him. You straighten him out and turn him into a plus value. Why throw him away? Do that enough and all you've got left are the sheep." "I don't know. Maybe in those days they wanted sheep."
that sepp, his posts are mostly quotes i think he's spamming start removing his posts or editing them please.
महान सम्राट said, June 07, 2009, 03:54:43 pmI guess that does lead to better forum experience, you guys aren't taming users like zoo animals, for users to not do this and that, etc... you don't even have in the rules "Don't question moderators or you will get banned."This is why I hold in higher standards the mods at MFG than other forums I go to.
the only problem is that when you get someone who's all wound up about forum rules joining a forum with less restrictions, all hell breaks loose.
I should have been specific and said Policy Change.And no wonder Mugen's not getting popular. You guys destroyed it *that* many times? Asshoes.
Mugen was kinda an underground thing for me when I started in this very forum, so to me, it's not truely destroyed until the governing reason mugen is still here is over,and that's simple word-of-mouth.
Its Still Somewhat Undergroundish. I Mean, Its Not On That Street Fighter Status Or Anything Like That.... Yet.
QuoteAre you saying our careless attitudes and that we let users get away with that kind of thing and not regularly beat them down somehow also actually helps to make for a better forum experience?if you completely destroy evil a greater evil shall emerge
Water Dimension said, June 07, 2009, 09:49:11 pmQuoteAre you saying our careless attitudes and that we let users get away with that kind of thing and not regularly beat them down somehow also actually helps to make for a better forum experience?if you completely destroy evil a greater evil shall emerge S.H.A.D.E.s of Manhattan
