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Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#1  May 01, 2010, 08:50:28 am
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I've seen this happen for ever on here. Even happened to me a couple of times.

Stuff like complaining about filtered sprites. Some people like filtered sprites. (Not me mind you)

Or, a character with choppy coding. People jump all over some people for it. Shit coding is not easy and not everyone is not going to be great at it, Why get pissed about it?

I mean, I would like to see people help each other. Like if something is fucked up, why not help someone fix it, or show them something better?

We get nothing like that, we just get comments like. "not worth the download" What the fuck is that?

Now lets say that you think something is just pure shit and the creator will never get any better. Why the fuck would you then fill their release topic up for a week strait with nothing but useless, you suck comments? All that does is leave it on the boards longer.

I just don't get this need to bash. What the hell is that about?

Thoughts?

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#2  May 01, 2010, 08:57:44 am
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There's bad but possible to fix characters ...and then there's HOW THE HELL YOU FLIPPED SOMETHING LIKE THAT? bad characters.

Sadly, from what I've seen as time has passed, it's a very very rare occurence for a bad author to fix his shit from the feedback given to the point that it's no surprise to see the SAME MISTAKES on his future characters.

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#3  May 01, 2010, 08:59:15 am
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I hope this holds some water:

As I said once, it usually starts by an older member coming to the release thread and expressing their dislike for the subject, then a bunch of newer/younger members following suit/jumping on the bandwagon expecting brownie points/respect from said older members for emulating them.

Then usually more newer members (I've noticed a rise in this lately) will start defending the subject starter/fellow noobs and start trying to bash the older members. This will eventually erupt into a flame war and will not be quelled unless done so by an authority.

It's mostly the "mob mentality" that people get in expecting to become a part of the situation by inserting their 2 cents and won't end unless, like, everyone involved is banned. Essentially emptying half of the Guild.

As said before I hope this holds water or at least has some significance.
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#4  May 01, 2010, 09:05:43 am
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Yeah I've heard that one before, but I don't see a lot pro-activeness to help people fix their characters. Stuff like this sucks about your character. No explanation on how to fix the problem. A kind of elitist thing where they just figure it out on their own, and if they do not the they are a fucking asshole.

Just stating what is wrong really doesn't help that much. Maybe it is just to much work, but it is just to easy to act like you are better than another person.

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#5  May 01, 2010, 09:16:43 am
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I definitely see what you're saying. Here's a good example:

Say a newer member asks a question about coding/spriting/etc., all they are met with is either a sarcastic reaction from an older member, an unnecessarily mean reaction from a member that's been on for a month or two, or "look at the docs" from Cyanide or Byakko.

I've noticed this but there's not much I can do. I try to quell the situations by either being jovial in my responses or making a joke to ease the stress of the situation and prevent a flamewar, which is what I did in he "Shamrock" thread.

I'll say, while there are ways to tell a person who obviously has no knowledge of the engine or the specs/anything for that matter, it's usually done in an unnecessarily cruel way, and it shouldn't really be that way as there are some people who have the potential to be great character/stage/screenpack creators.

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#6  May 01, 2010, 09:49:48 am
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Say a newer member asks a question about coding/spriting/etc., all they are met with is either a sarcastic reaction from an older member, an unnecessarily mean reaction from a member that's been on for a month or two, or "look at the docs" from Cyanide or Byakko.
How much time have you spent in the dev help section really? Do you know how many people both of us have actually helped when someone has a genuine problem? If you looked through that whole section you'd see that 95% of the topics have an answer from one or the other of us and it's usually the RIGHT one.

The only person we've given a "look at the docs" to over the last few months has been warioman who keeps coming in and asking about features of sctrls that he should already know about.

There is a big difference between "help" and "handing someone something they want so they learn nothing"

Now that rant is out of the way.

Yeah, constructive comments in the main release sections would be nice. Or outright ignoring the threads. Some people try, some people don't. Some people don't realise that the long posts full of what's wrong AREN'T just bashing but are in fact a list of things that are wrong. Course you get them jumping on the bandwagon saying "yeah this is awful" and it snowballs.

The big problem is when people release stuff they shouldn't really release. If you're coding you should know what a good character looks and feels like and attempt to replicate that. Don't release it if it doesn't feel like ANY good character ever.


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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#7  May 01, 2010, 09:58:10 am
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Personally I just think that we're bigger assholes on the internet then we have the balls to be in person. It's just so easy! If I see a shitty release, I'll probably talk down to the creator because I'm used to being a dick on this forum or the internet in general. Sometimes I do it without realizing it.

So yeah, sorry on behalf of myself and anyone else that is a total douche just because we can be.  :yes:

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#8  May 01, 2010, 10:04:56 am
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I wasn't expecting that from you Cy lol I get your point though, it should be taken to the help section first really, but still, some of the stuff in the releases is just people getting e-boners. Worse I think is that new users think that they are suppose to act like asses.

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#9  May 01, 2010, 10:10:27 am
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I'm actually glad he came cause when I mentioned you and Byakko, I was talking about the people who don't bother to pay attention to the coding or any tutorials/help for that matter.

But adding all that i my previous post would've brought it into tl;dr territory. I didn't wanna get anyone worked up. Mah bad.

Shamrock said, May 01, 2010, 10:04:56 am
Worse I think is that new users think that they are suppose to act like asses.
This. This is my main problem. It's like they see it as a rite of passage or something. It's literally going on as we speak.
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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#10  May 01, 2010, 10:22:02 am
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Byakko actually is one the few that I see help people and trust me, people don't want my help in coding. Not unless they want a badly coded character from a guy who can't even properly articulate how to fix most things.

Byakko is just a cross person, but he does help. He could be nicer.

I'm speaking more of the people who just bash in the releases.

As far as the docs go. It is frustrating when people ask a question that is right there in black and white. Hopefully people can have enough class just to say it politely.

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#11  May 01, 2010, 10:24:41 am
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Shamrock said, May 01, 2010, 08:50:28 am
Now lets say that you think something is just pure shit and the creator will never get any better. Why the fuck would you then fill their release topic up for a week strait with nothing but useless, you suck comments? All that does is leave it on the boards longer.

I just don't get this need to bash. What the hell is that about?

Thoughts?

It is because this sentiment has become interwoven into the very nature of MFG. Numerous members (not saying all, but there are certainly enough to where the term numerous can be used) pretty much only make posts of this nature...or at least the bulk of their posting is in this fashion.

Some of them say it is in the spirit of feedback or whatever. It is possible to give feedback without being rude about it.

In the posted rules: http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=62286.msg516910#msg516910
...the very first thing said is "Be nice, and treat the other users with respect. Behavior rubs off."

Not only is this not followed very often, but a different kind of behavior is rubbing off...of which I spoke of above.

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#12  May 01, 2010, 10:41:35 am
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I think MDI is more on the money than some of the posts here already.

It is true that many of the newer creators (such as myself) often don't read enough into the docs or "read between the lines" enough to see obvious solutions... hell, I spent most of my beginning months using the search filter on mugen forums for solutions.

But having a creator pop up practically every month repeating questions doesn't help, it wears on people's nerves patience and sense of empathy after a while. Not to mention most newer creators ONLY create characters to raise their Epeen, only to find out that characters they released had a fanbase attached to them that are very very displeased by some newer person working on them half heartedly as a 'new creation' while missing many of the basics.

Adversly, to MDI's point, there are just as many that gain popularity by dumping all over these newcomers hopes of accomplishing yet another thing online, and have made quite a following doing so.

Solution? What Solution. There can't be a solution, only a protocol.
1. Character released by a newcomer
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3. If either the creator or the criticized person can't take the criticism or denial of concepts, don't egg either side on!

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#13  May 01, 2010, 12:03:31 pm
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Cyanide is working hard on the help section there..
... it needs dedication to scrutinize and trying to fix someone else mistake on daily basis.

To me, it's all back to the creator's mentality... some say that they will happily to be criticized but in reality deflecting every feedback with tons of excuses. that reaction will bait sarcastic feedback.

Though I don't get why people need every char to be perfect and balanced, if the creator said this is final, I don't have time for anymore release of it, and move on something else, it is HIS RIGHT to do, and nobody has the right to flame him. The fact that he shared the thing doesn't mean that he has to work on it to perfection.

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#14  May 01, 2010, 01:36:56 pm
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Tsunamidusher's "protocol" is sort of how I do things.

If a guy is a new creator, I give him feedback as I'd do for anyone, pointing out mistakes and what should be changed, linking to tutorials if needed.
     - If the guy answers well and wants to progress, then I'll continue giving him feedback with his next releases or updates. If he says he doesn't know how to fix one of his bugs, I'll give him the name of the controller/trigger he needs (without giving the entire code).
     - If the guy answers like a dick and clearly thinks he's the shit, then I just ignore him or give him more feedback, but with bashing included.

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#15  May 01, 2010, 02:21:31 pm
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Bashing is fun, and I don't care if people think I'm an asshole for saying that.

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#17  May 01, 2010, 03:14:48 pm
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People bash releases because they want the character to be just right in their mind.

People bash over this because they take Mugen way too seriously and forget that its something the average person is doing for fun and not a way of life type thing. Most of these 'bashers' have sexual fantasies about Dragon Claw, and often moan the names of their favorite characters in their sleep.

They also secretly desire Nick Jonas' tight hairless body.

It is an serious problem that has to be resolved for the good of the Mugens.

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#18  May 01, 2010, 03:24:38 pm
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I get pissed because every terrible release only helps to damage the image MUGEN has even more.
I want to show people what the engine is capable of but for every good thing that comes along there's a thousand shitty things that get made that people will likely see instead.

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#19  May 01, 2010, 03:48:05 pm
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#20  May 01, 2010, 03:54:45 pm
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#22  May 01, 2010, 05:29:27 pm
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Shamrock said, May 01, 2010, 10:22:02 am

Byakko is just a cross person, but he does help. He could be nicer.

personally i think his reputation precedes him and even if he's nice people assume he's being jerk :P

and i defend creations that get bashed alot on principle. my feedback points out anything obvious that i notice or gameplay notes, because i don't have the experience to give comprehensive feedback.

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#23  May 01, 2010, 05:39:04 pm
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I haven't seen you post but maybe twice in any of the MUGEN sections, and not once do I recall it being a release thread unless some shit was going down.

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its been ages since i have, i stopped playing mugen for a while now, i think the last one i tested was something by alexlexus or a rajaa character

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#25  May 02, 2010, 02:01:51 am
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@ Shamrock, The only people giving feedback that you see yelling or being "rude" is when there has been several occasions of the author completely ignoring the feedback given to them. This makes the person who gives feedback annoyed, think of it as if you were a very proper character coder and you gave feedback to newbie character creators and they constantly ignored it, wouldn't that make you annoyed? So, most people that gave or still currently give feedback aren't very nice about it considering the person they keep trying to help, isn't trying to get better. Honestly, I agree with most of the people no longer giving feedback, except for the ones who don't know what they are talking about coding wise and they are just trolling, then they should take advice from your first post.

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I stopped giving feedback because I don't care if any given creator gets better at creating or not.

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#27  May 02, 2010, 02:09:26 am
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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#28  May 02, 2010, 03:53:14 am
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Sugarcoating won't help anyone get better.


If something's terrible, they need to be told it's terrible. They also need to be told why it's terrible, and that does happen in the vast majority of threads.

Bash the creation, not the creator, imo. Unless the creator's a dick in which case, bash away. :)

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#29  May 02, 2010, 03:56:21 am
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Personally, I think being objective is more useful than harsh blunt or soft.

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#30  May 02, 2010, 03:58:29 am
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I don't understand the need to bash at all. If it sucks and the creator isn't going to take feedback, why even bother posting?

You guys do not have to post in these threads. I don't think anyone is going to die if you don't bash something.

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#31  May 02, 2010, 04:04:36 am
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It increases their e-penisconfidence. That's the only reason they do it.
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#32  May 02, 2010, 04:21:37 am
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Shamrock said, May 02, 2010, 03:58:29 am
I don't understand the need to bash at all. If it sucks and the creator isn't going to take feedback, why even bother posting?

G.I.F.T.

Seriously, though, I'll post feedback if I catch something critical and I like the character enough to try and help get the author to improve it. Otherwise, I don't bother.

I do think it's sad that we get a lot of "LOL -1 UR CHAR IS BALLZ", but like I said...G.I.F.T.
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#33  May 02, 2010, 04:26:04 am
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The best way to bash a bad creation is to utterly ignore the thread. Don't bump it, don't give it the time of day. If the author has released it as if it's good, and it isn't. Ignore it. Forever.

Same technique that should be used on trolls.


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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#34  May 02, 2010, 04:27:59 am
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Shamrock said, May 02, 2010, 03:58:29 am
I don't understand the need to bash at all. If it sucks and the creator isn't going to take feedback, why even bother posting?
You have a point if the creator isn't going to take feedback. But if they are...

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...If they're not informed how vastly (or slightly) terrible their creation is, they might think the problems aren't as big as they actually are (or worse, not know they exist).

Also there might be a bit of confusion as to what "bashing" is. IMO it is calling out problems for what they are, not petty insults. A useless comment would be insulting the creator's mother or whatever, while saying a character is shit can be 100% accurate and needed to be said.

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#35  May 02, 2010, 04:37:26 am
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kaijyuu said, May 02, 2010, 03:53:14 am
Sugarcoating won't help anyone get better.


If something's terrible, they need to be told it's terrible. They also need to be told why it's terrible, and that does happen in the vast majority of threads.

Bash the creation, not the creator, imo. Unless the creator's a dick in which case, bash away. :)

it does help.

there is a thing called pride, when you hurt it in the first phrase of your comment, the rest of your comment loses its meaning.

an effective way of contructive criticism should be written in balanced sense, and using words that states your point without hurting the feeling,
for example

"his jump is too low, he can't jump over a fireball"
"he is jumping like his cock tied to the ground, WTF everytime he tries to jump over a fireball he got his balls roasted"

both are objective, explain the same thing, commenting the character and not the creator, arent' they?

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#36  May 02, 2010, 04:45:41 am
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"he is jumping like his cock tied to the ground, WTF everytime he tries to jump over a fireball he got his balls roasted"
Your example's a bit nonsensical and focused on male genitalia. If the "insult" was a bit more realistic, then no, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

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I learned long ago that tiptoeing around hypersensitive people's feelings is far more trouble than it's worth. If people are going to take offense at criticism to their character ("insulting" criticism or no), then they're not worth your time.
Emphasis on "criticism to their character." I don't think anyone would disagree that insulting the creator directly is not good.

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#37  May 02, 2010, 04:59:25 am
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Cyanide said, May 02, 2010, 04:26:04 am
The best way to bash a bad creation is to utterly ignore the thread. Don't bump it, don't give it the time of day.

The problem is some people act like they can't miss an opportunity to show how creative they are with insults, or how disproportionally dismissive they can be with a one-liner.

They way I see it, if you care enough to download and test, you might as well extend that caring to at least pointing out how to fix something, or mention what seems to be off if you lack the techniical knowledge to point to a possible fix.


For stuff that's so blantantly incomplete that it becomes flame bait (like required sprites missing and stuff like that), perhaps it might be viable to send thread about such creations to the Projects section to get the point across, although I doubt the staff would bother.

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#38  May 02, 2010, 05:07:43 am
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That is pretty funny stuff.

I go with Cy's thinking on this. I mean, i've seen suck stay on the board for months just so people can complain about how it sucks. Kong comes to mind.

While good creations stay up there a week at the most.

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#39  May 02, 2010, 05:10:01 am
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when I'm working on a project that spent 6 months or more, and somebody come around "bashing" my creation, I will get angry since I would be too attached to that subject.

especially if the reason is saying it in more proper way doesn't worth his few minutes of his time.

commenting and bashing is not the same at all.

"movement sucks, animation sucks, gameplay sucks, this character belongs to the recycle bin"

that's bashing and not constructive, because there are no reason as why it is suck, actually if the word suck replaced with reason, it can turn into a good criticism

"movement feels floaty, animation is choppy need more frame, gameplay is too gimmicky and doesn't feel like fighting game"



if I walked into a thread of a character that I really can't say anything good, or I think that there is no beginning to say anything, I just walked away.

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#40  May 02, 2010, 05:26:14 am
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Empty generic criticism could always be split off by mods and katamaried into a "Bad feedback" thread here in Mugen Discussion as an example of what not to do - mindless bashers would get their visibility, but not at the expense of the thread or by extending its lifespan.

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#41  May 02, 2010, 05:40:39 am
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Cyanide said, May 02, 2010, 04:26:04 am
The best way to bash a bad creation is to utterly ignore the thread. Don't bump it, don't give it the time of day.

i would add that if you dislike it that much, make videos about it and keep the drama on youtubes

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#42  May 02, 2010, 05:43:54 am
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Loona said, May 02, 2010, 05:26:14 am
Empty generic criticism could always be split off by mods and katamaried into a "Bad feedback" thread here in Mugen Discussion as an example of what not to do - mindless bashers would get their visibility, but not at the expense of the thread or by extending its lifespan.

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#43  May 02, 2010, 06:32:05 am
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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#44  May 02, 2010, 06:39:17 pm
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I really don't know. I question the same thing about everything else that has to do with creating.
ShoShingo said, February 21, 2010, 02:37:30 am
what i like about the ed article is that the author honestly doesn't know that kung fu man is just a sockpuppet of mine. i honestly thought this was common knowledge.

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#45  May 03, 2010, 06:39:25 am
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Cybaster said, May 01, 2010, 01:36:56 pm
Tsunamidusher's "protocol" is sort of how I do things.

If a guy is a new creator, I give him feedback as I'd do for anyone, pointing out mistakes and what should be changed, linking to tutorials if needed.
     - If the guy answers well and wants to progress, then I'll continue giving him feedback with his next releases or updates. If he says he doesn't know how to fix one of his bugs, I'll give him the name of the controller/trigger he needs (without giving the entire code).
     - If the guy answers like a dick and clearly thinks he's the shit, then I just ignore him or give him more feedback, but with bashing included.

I would of loved your feedback like 5 years ago... well, I still will.
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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#46  May 03, 2010, 04:56:36 pm
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I just love horrible broken characters. I collect them. I'm planning to start a Mugen freakshow one day with them. :toilet:
14 characters.

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#47  May 07, 2010, 03:49:14 am
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Well... I guess that everyone is free to express what they think... but what it really matters is that you waste your time if the character needs improvement and the author rejects any feedback he gets... In that case, as Cybaster said, don't botter on give any feedback and just see another thread, same goes for people that don't like the character itself (no matter the coding or anything else) if the character itself is not of your taste, don't post, is just waste of time... this days we have no time, is silly to waste it that way...

Even harsh feedback is usefull, though it looks rude, if they include WHAT is wrong, you are getting what you needed... feedback.

About users that help or not in the help section... I think that we need to stablish that, whenever a new user posts in that forum, even those "bad ass rude old coder gurus" -note the sarcasm- are there waiting to help (or at least if they see the question they will answer in that moment if they can), but at least 42% of the times, the questions posted are either answered already or they are just simple questions that are contained in the mugen documentation... yeah, I know, this has been told several times, but the mugen documentation is THERE for a REASON... see this example:

You go and buy a complete Home Theatre for your living room, and it needs a certain instalation... what you do? ask the neighbor or read the instruction manual if you already purchasded that with the whole damm thing? I guess the answer is obviuos...

Returning to the point, there is always people that helps you with many stuff in mugen, at least I can talk about Cyanide, Byakko (no matter what you think...) Cybaster, Kung Fu Man, Messatsu, and many others, that have enough time here at mugen and certainly help you, but you need at least to know what the docs say, I guess it's a bit boring for them answering the same question over and over again until they faint...

In my personal point of view, this is relative, you need to be open-minded if you want to be in whatever community you choose, and don't take it too personal, EVERYWHERE in world you will find kind people, others that go only to the point, people that don't care for nothing and jerks... is your desition. Believe me, if you think you found bashers and unwanted people here... you don't EVEN know how is it going on a hyspanic or latin american forum (specially emulation ones some time ago) THAT is bashing...

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Re: Why do so many users get so pissed about less than stellar releases?
#48  May 07, 2010, 06:05:50 am
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meh too many theories. Its plain internet assholeness. i find it more unbelievable that people are still affected by it even when on their 3rd or fourth release (a year of taking crap maybe), just scroll down or read what is useful and ignore the rest, at this point it becomes the authors fault really often dissmissing actual feedback cuz some dude calls them poopy head or worse plain fueling a back and forth shitstorm of lame and desperate attempts to ZOMG PWND the oppostion.  Ya ya you put months of work into it; more the reason to know how much your work is worth and not let trolling get to you.
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