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Title: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 06, 2018, 12:14:39 pm
https://www.sendspace.com/file/n1m7it

Here is my Ryu wip based of his SFV version.  Made some changes to the pots system
to make him feel a bit different than the rest, removed the side step(dodge) and
replaced it with a focus attack.  Im currently working on transforming max mode
into a variation of his V-Trigger, its not done yet. I feel ryu it complete enough for
some testing and bug reporting if you encounter any.

While in Max mode(v trigger)ryus attacks do less push back to allow you to be able
to perform some of his SFV combos, not all but some. He wont be a perfect
SFV conversion because SFV's system is vastly different than cvs(pots).
SFV's attacks do very little push back and that wont work well with this
gameplay system so im experimenting with ways to balance him out.
Enjoy and leave me some feed back.
It can be canceled into from basic attacks, non command normals like SFV
and has a brief pause, can also be cancel out of a taunt and it loosens
the juggle limit for more combo possibilities.
You can bait enemys with a taunt and set them up with it.

Whats left?

A couple new animations.
v-trigger attacks such as his powered up hadoken, shoryuken and denjin hado.
Bug Fixes and minor graphical shit.

(https://i.imgur.com/3UYJmsh.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/O6aqID2.png)

I dont know how to tag users but i need assistance with the buffer system
from JNP or Jmorphman, ryus focus attack has a no auto turn on all the states
with persistant = 1 and if a enemy hops over him his focus attack dash cancel
commands reverse, i need some help with that please lol.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: hatter on February 06, 2018, 01:58:21 pm
Just type in the @symbol, followed by the username (how its actually written tho), followed by a colon.


Other than that, looks neat. Might test it out if I can.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 06, 2018, 02:52:08 pm
The commands involve facing. If you want the commands to not follow facing then you'll need to make the appropriate changes in the command. But IIRC if you do a focus in SF4 and the opponent jumps over you tapping back back still dashes backwards.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 06, 2018, 04:12:58 pm
Just No Point said, February 06, 2018, 02:52:08 pm
The commands involve facing. If you want the commands to not follow facing then you'll need to make the appropriate changes in the command. But IIRC if you do a focus in SF4 and the opponent jumps over you tapping back back still dashes backwards.

It should work like you mentioned, I tried changing around the facing values in the
cmd but it didn't fix the issue. Ive been trying to fix it forever lol only thing I haven't
tried yet is creating a whole new cmd explod, I'm using the same cmd used for dashing.
Should I create a new explod just for the focus attack?


Ho-Oh's Apprentice said, February 06, 2018, 01:58:21 pm
Just type in the @symbol, followed by the username (how its actually written tho), followed by a colon.


Other than that, looks neat. Might test it out if I can.

test it out dude and thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Prime SC on February 06, 2018, 07:03:43 pm
im digging this dude so far some things i noticed:
-idk know if its intentional but he can still do fwd and back dodge roll

-his focus attack doesnt cause knockdown?

-when connecting with shoryuken from about 4 steps back from when hes close to the op the op recovers mid-air

-ive always liked the idea of a focus attack in pots chars i remember there was an evil ryu edited from mwryly's and it had a focus attack he was my favorite back then just for that.

-Just to be clear, he wont have shinku tatsumaki, lvl 1 version of his shoryuken, or a lvl 2 version of his shinku hadouken?

-i like the inclusion of some sfv combos but i feel like there could be more without the use of his v-trigger mode like smp, smp to shoryuken because when u do it without the v-trigger the shoryuken will whiff leaving him wideee open which doesnt make any sense because u pulled off the right combo and it just misses, like your getting punished for using the combo without the v-trigger mode.

I like him so far though
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: lui on February 06, 2018, 09:43:26 pm
judging from what I played in both this and the beta, he seems like a great jumping off point for other "pots" style stuff using the command buffering system but for ryu himself, I think sticking to sfv's accuracy both benefits and hurts him in some ways.

being accurate is great and all but you're also bringing in some of the downsides of his sfv incarnation such as not being able to tatsu while jumping backwards and such. I recommend sticking to what makes him great but also improving what Capcom took away from him and make it even better than that.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 06, 2018, 10:21:58 pm
Walruslui said, February 06, 2018, 09:43:26 pm
judging from what I played in both this and the beta, he seems like a great jumping off point for other "pots" style stuff using the command buffering system but for ryu himself, I think sticking to sfv's accuracy both benefits and hurts him in some ways.

being accurate is great and all but you're also bringing in some of the downsides of his sfv incarnation such as not being able to tatsu while jumping backwards and such. I recommend sticking to what makes him great but also improving what Capcom took away from him and make it even better than that.

I'll look into it but it was done on purpose to keep his SFV personality.

Prime SC said, February 06, 2018, 07:03:43 pm
im digging this dude so far some things i noticed:
-idk know if its intentional but he can still do fwd and back dodge roll

-his focus attack doesnt cause knockdown?

-when connecting with shoryuken from about 4 steps back from when hes close to the op the op recovers mid-air

-ive always liked the idea of a focus attack in pots chars i remember there was an evil ryu edited from mwryly's and it had a focus attack he was my favorite back then just for that.

-Just to be clear, he wont have shinku tatsumaki, lvl 1 version of his shoryuken, or a lvl 2 version of his shinku hadouken?

-i like the inclusion of some sfv combos but i feel like there could be more without the use of his v-trigger mode like smp, smp to shoryuken because when u do it without the v-trigger the shoryuken will whiff leaving him wideee open which doesnt make any sense because u pulled off the right combo and it just misses, like your getting punished for using the combo without the v-trigger mode.

I like him so far though

What up dude

.I removed dodge but kept the rolls
.i didnt add knockdown to focus attack just so its compatible with all chars
.in some versions of sf2 his shoryu wont knockdown if your far, got the idea from that lol
.i didn't know that char had focus attack?
.im not sure he needs those supers, he has enough tools but ill check it out.
.i gotta keep his pushback on attacks some what close to cvs standards.
.thanks!


Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Prime SC on February 06, 2018, 10:34:44 pm
can u even do moves after the focus attack? i tried and u cant combo anything after that. I get that u like to go for the whole accuracy thing and whatnot, but why add sfv combos if u can only do those combos during v-trigger? Im saying theres no point for him to be able to do them in regular mode at all then if its just gonna whiff. it takes from his gameplay.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 06, 2018, 10:37:03 pm
Prime SC said, February 06, 2018, 10:34:44 pm
can u even do moves after the focus attack? i tried and u cant combo anything after that. I get that u like to go for the whole accuracy thing and whatnot, but why add sfv combos if u can only do those combos during v-trigger? Im saying theres no point for him to be able to do them in regular mode at all then if its just gonna whiff. it takes from his gameplay.

You gotta dash cancel out of the focus attack and you gain
a shit ton of + advantage frames
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Prime SC on February 06, 2018, 11:10:13 pm
awe shit i forgot about that, he doesnt have his clk clp chain is that intentional? one more thing, i think his sfv damage values are a bit high using them against other pots chars he does really high damage a 5 hit combo does 280 damage. but dude i fr think u should get rid of combos that whiff in his normal mode and only work in his v-trigger mode, i dont think its right to get punished for combos that are supposed to work but wont because your using accurate system of pushback.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: lui on February 06, 2018, 11:13:15 pm
i think the damage is good enough since he's pretty slow compared to most other characters in the same style
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 06, 2018, 11:14:31 pm
Prime SC said, February 06, 2018, 11:10:13 pm
awe shit i forgot about that, he doesnt have his clk clp chain is that intentional? one more thing, i think his sfv damage values are a bit high using them against other pots chars he does really high damage a 5 hit combo does 280 damage. but dude i fr think u should get rid of combos that whiff in his normal mode and only work in his v-trigger mode, i dont think its right to get punished for combos that are supposed to work but wont because your using accurate system of pushback.

Hmm I thought I had that chain in there, ill add it.

I actually lowered all the damage values because of that but in max
mode he gets buffed up.  Ill check it out.
 
I'll see what I can do for the combos.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Prime SC on February 06, 2018, 11:25:10 pm
the combo i did was the smp smp, ex joudan, ex hadouken if u think the damage is good on that, then its coo its your char after all, i dont think hes slow though i did a arcade run and beat it but he was killin mofos with that combo lol. Great job though bruh.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 06, 2018, 11:29:12 pm
Prime SC said, February 06, 2018, 11:25:10 pm
the combo i did was the smp smp, ex joudan, ex hadouken if u think the damage is good on that, then its coo its your char after all, i dont think hes slow though i did a arcade run and beat it but he was killin mofos with that combo lol. Great job though bruh.

Ryu is the destroyer of mofos, he beat bison and akuma! Lol
I probably forgot to check out the damage on joudan and
ex hado theres still a couple attacks im tweaking damage on.
Thanks I forgot about those.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 09, 2018, 06:50:50 pm
Sorry it took me so long to get to this. I had a ton of HDBZ stuff I had to knock out this week.

I placed this inside his Focus state and he dashes as he should

Code: 
[State 0, ChangeState]
type = ChangeState
trigger1 = (ifElse(P2dist x < 0, Facing = -1, Facing = 1) && NumExplod(90001016)) || (ifElse(P2dist x < 0, Facing = 1, Facing = -1) && NumExplod(90001064))
value = ifElse(P2dist x < 0,105,110)
ctrl = 0
[State 0, ChangeState]
type = ChangeState
trigger1 = (ifElse(P2dist x < 0, Facing = -1, Facing = 1) && NumExplod(90001064)) || (ifElse(P2dist x < 0, Facing = 1, Facing = -1) && NumExplod(90001016))
value = ifElse(P2dist x < 0,110,105)
ctrl = 0

I noticed you had an unneeded trigger for his dash fwd
Code: 
triggerAll = ((ifElse(P2DisT x < 0, Facing = -1, Facing = 1) && NumExplod(90000006)) || (ifElse(P2DisT x < 0, Facing = 1, Facing = -1) && NumExplod(90000004)))

And if you are wanting more accuracy from Capcom games you may want to add this turn code into your -2

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Note: The distance here is used from HDBZ. For CVS2 you will need to test how far behind the axis they can go before a char can turn. If you don't want to manually count pixels by jumping over and counting the pixels distance in X axis from each axis before the standing char turns then I'd prob use 8, 9, or 10.

You will have to make these changes to all of your triggers that involve the distance behind player as well.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 09, 2018, 11:13:25 pm
Just No Point said, February 09, 2018, 06:50:50 pm
Sorry it took me so long to get to this. I had a ton of HDBZ stuff I had to knock out this week.

I placed this inside his Focus state and he dashes as he should

Code: 
[State 0, ChangeState]
type = ChangeState
trigger1 = (ifElse(P2dist x < 0, Facing = -1, Facing = 1) && NumExplod(90001016)) || (ifElse(P2dist x < 0, Facing = 1, Facing = -1) && NumExplod(90001064))
value = ifElse(P2dist x < 0,105,110)
ctrl = 0
[State 0, ChangeState]
type = ChangeState
trigger1 = (ifElse(P2dist x < 0, Facing = -1, Facing = 1) && NumExplod(90001064)) || (ifElse(P2dist x < 0, Facing = 1, Facing = -1) && NumExplod(90001016))
value = ifElse(P2dist x < 0,110,105)
ctrl = 0

I noticed you had an unneeded trigger for his dash fwd
Code: 
triggerAll = ((ifElse(P2DisT x < 0, Facing = -1, Facing = 1) && NumExplod(90000006)) || (ifElse(P2DisT x < 0, Facing = 1, Facing = -1) && NumExplod(90000004)))

And if you are wanting more accuracy from Capcom games you may want to add this turn code into your -2

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Note: The distance here is used from HDBZ. For CVS2 you will need to test how far behind the axis they can go before a char can turn. If you don't want to manually count pixels by jumping over and counting the pixels distance in X axis from each axis before the standing char turns then I'd prob use 8, 9, or 10.

You will have to make these changes to all of your triggers that involve the distance behind player as well.

Hey thanks for the help I'll get right on this once I get back
home, no need to apologize for taking long I'm currently
revamping Ryu based on feedback.

I'm removing the nerfs from SFV and building him up based
of his best attributes he had in his game incarnations.

So far ive removed his nerf to his tatsu and added his CVS
far LK, close MK, neutral JLK and neutral JHK.

Next I'm gonna rework his tatsu and the vels, probably remake
the whole animation

More coming soon
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 20, 2018, 01:24:39 pm
Got a new update up, Ryus got some new stuff and changes and I
also put in a little bonus for you guys to check out as well with ryu.
I still have to finish doing his v-trigger mode and his powered up
attacks, some super fx stuff, and some shit i forgot.

I feel like mugen doesnt have enough ryu's.

the bonus char is still missing an ex special and a couple more supers,
i will change the voice fx's to something else too.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 24, 2018, 03:46:33 am
Is my ryu perfect so no feedback required?
Or do you guys just don't give a crap about
having an updated ryu besides pots ryu that's
been around for over a decade and its variations
with the same old stuff?

Geez this place is dying out
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Prime SC on February 24, 2018, 03:59:17 am
i played it, its fine, i mean maybe its because its just another ryu idk tbh not to take anything from the one you made, but they maybe just satisfied with the ryu that mwryly or ansatsuken made. plus, vyn did just release a cool ass ryu to.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 24, 2018, 04:28:31 am
It seems like nobody's really interested in a updated
ryu with new animations & shit.

Theres tons of different versions of pots ryu, and the
same old cvs2 animations.

Damn you guys ain't interested in having something
different for a change?
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Prime SC on February 24, 2018, 04:33:08 am
i mean, what do these sprites add but a couple new punches and kicks, thats not enough nowadays to grab the attention that you want. i like it, he def gonna replace the ryu in my roster when its finished, make combo videos and stuff to maybe that'll draw more attention
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Henry Hero on February 24, 2018, 05:20:38 am
it plays really good so far, the ink effects are well done, haven't seen that before (although, haven't seen anything mugen in 6 years or something).
but some animations do look janky (the way they're aligned, not the actual sprites), namely the pose that Ryu does after the strong punch, and the heavy kick, if you look at Ryu's feet during those anims you can see them shifting in weird ways.

after comboing a little bit I found out I can combo 2 shinkuu hadoukens in the corner, my exact combo was: EX tatsu > shinkuu hadouken > shinkuu hadouken, don't know if that's intended or not, seems a little overboard.

and this might come down to personal preference, but should supers really only cost 1 bar? to get a more "SFV feel" shouldn't they cost 3 bars and do a shit load of damage?
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: YugaCurry on February 24, 2018, 07:09:18 am
Memo said, February 24, 2018, 04:28:31 am
It seems like nobody's really interested in a updated
ryu with new animations & shit.

Theres tons of different versions of pots ryu, and the
same old cvs2 animations.

Damn you guys ain't interested in having something
different for a change?


I use your cvtw2 ryu and its a welcome change from the others. I don't have the coding knowledge to give you feedback or I would've
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on February 24, 2018, 04:57:03 pm
Henry Hero said, February 24, 2018, 05:20:38 am
it plays really good so far, the ink effects are well done, haven't seen that before (although, haven't seen anything mugen in 6 years or something).
but some animations do look janky (the way they're aligned, not the actual sprites), namely the pose that Ryu does after the strong punch, and the heavy kick, if you look at Ryu's feet during those anims you can see them shifting in weird ways.

after comboing a little bit I found out I can combo 2 shinkuu hadoukens in the corner, my exact combo was: EX tatsu > shinkuu hadouken > shinkuu hadouken, don't know if that's intended or not, seems a little overboard.

and this might come down to personal preference, but should supers really only cost 1 bar? to get a more "SFV feel" shouldn't they cost 3 bars and do a shit load of damage?

Is this happening in the version I posted on Tuesday?
I'll definitely check that animation you mentioned
and also ryu has various lvl supers too.

I thought I fixed that shinku hado combo I'll take
another look at that.

Guys thanks for the comments, this is what I need tho
some feedback, I cant improve on him without it.

How about the bonus char, anything weird with him so far?

*edit

I dont expect much from other creators I know you guys
are busy with your own stuff, but the ones that just play
mugen leave some feedback dammit! Lol
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: ShiroTori on April 05, 2018, 02:57:47 am
I hope you don't mind me bumping this thread, but I'm really enjoying this Ryu! The Kyokugen style one is pretty amusing too. I hope these will see completion!

I wish I could be of help in terms of feedback, but I'm not very versed in character coding. From what I've been playing everything seems well in order. Also, I adapted PotS' Ryu's small portrait to this Ryu's palette if you'd like me to send it your way.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: BurningSoul on June 09, 2018, 03:28:41 pm
Can I  suggest making beam like how pots did?
,if you charge it long enough it becomes beam if not then its a powered up metsu hadoken?
also was going to suggest to have the metsu LV3 being able to comboed into sth  like
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYKL96ABw1E
1.20 to 1.25
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on June 10, 2018, 05:17:12 pm
mete122 said, June 09, 2018, 03:28:41 pm
Can I  suggest making beam like how pots did?
,if you charge it long enough it becomes beam if not then its a powered up metsu hadoken?
also was going to suggest to have the metsu LV3 being able to comboed into sth  like
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYKL96ABw1E
1.20 to 1.25

Honestly I dont know when ill get back to this, ive been
off mugen a couple of months because of work and lack
of interest in the project.

If you guys want him I might continue and finish him off.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Inactive user on June 10, 2018, 06:23:50 pm
the sprites have a great quality.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: YugaCurry on June 12, 2018, 05:47:09 pm
Memo said, June 10, 2018, 05:17:12 pm
If you guys want him I might continue and finish him off.

Definitely want. He's my favorite Ryu in mugen and the only one I use. Pick him up when you regain interest so that you don't finish him just for the heck of it.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on September 26, 2018, 07:45:43 pm
been working on this guy for a while on the low, and ive been
experimenting with new super move animations.

he is still pots style but will have my own twist to the formula
like focus attack instead of dodge and some other stuff.

(https://i.imgur.com/6DOELj0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/YHH0apk.png)
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: sabockee on September 26, 2018, 10:25:21 pm
I was afraid you abandoned this project - good to see you're back to it.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on September 26, 2018, 11:08:01 pm
sabockee said, September 26, 2018, 10:25:21 pm
I was afraid you abandoned this project - good to see you're back to it.

I never did ive just been on the low doing changes and
tweaking a couple things.

Now he has mix frame data with cvs2 and sf5.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: vyn on September 27, 2018, 11:06:03 pm
Memo said, September 26, 2018, 07:45:43 pm
been working on this guy for a while on the low, and ive been
experimenting with new super move animations.

he is still pots style but will have my own twist to the formula
like focus attack instead of dodge and some other stuff.


its always cool to see a guy making their own style. Good to see this character is still in the works.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on September 28, 2018, 01:10:49 am
vyn said, September 27, 2018, 11:06:03 pm
Memo said, September 26, 2018, 07:45:43 pm
been working on this guy for a while on the low, and ive been
experimenting with new super move animations.

he is still pots style but will have my own twist to the formula
like focus attack instead of dodge and some other stuff.


its always cool to see a guy making their own style. Good to see this character is still in the works.

Yup got tired of the same old formula lol, I'm also experimenting with
Having a v-reversal instead of zero counter.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: DW on September 30, 2018, 10:42:04 pm
Isn't a V-Reversal just an Alpha Counter that's dependent on a separate gauge from the power meter? Also, from what I've seen in various matches, it doesn't look as good, cause a char can actually get hit out of the reversal. Also, why SFV Ryu? From what I've seen and heard, it's one of his worst incarnations in any FG he's appeared in. I know his new animations and gimmicks maybe appealing somewhat, though overall.... I suppose it doesn't matter too much, as you can work around any short-comings he has in SFV, tailoring him to how you see fit.

As far as the Focus Attack goes... I suppose that's cool. So, are you saying he'll still have the Roll mechanic? While replacing Dodge with Focus? Or by "Dodge" are you referring to both evasive maneuvers(Roll & Dodge)? IMO, if you really want to set things apart, you'll drop CC(A-Groove core) for a different "core" groove mechanic. I of course implemented Max Mode from N-Groove, though that's because it's my fave core mechanic from CvS. I can give a few suggestions, along with how I would implement said mechanics(if needed), because I've already brainstormed on this for years:

S-Groove's "Desperation" Mechanic: When char's life drops to approximately 30%(25%-35%) of max, all Lv1 supers become free. Lv3 super(s) are locked until the health requirement is reached. Since this style has EX moves, I suppose they can become free as well? It will require various testing regimes to balance it, though it could definitely work.

K-Groove's "Rage" Mechanic: Now this one would be interesting. Off hand, it won't work as is, meshing with mechanics like Power Charge and all... Though what I thought of doing was to make it a blend between Rage and SFIV's "Revenge" mechanic. So you have a separate "Rage" gauge, along with your normal power gauge. You can still perform EX moves/Lv1-Max supers with your normal power gauge. While mechanics such as Power Charge can still be kept. Once your char takes a certain amount of damage, the Rage activates, giving said char a huge boost in attack and defense. This Rage state will deplete over time of course. Now, you can go one of 2 ways for the Lv3 supers: I want to note that this is a mechanic I more so envisioned Infinite taking advantage of, as he likes to give his chars 2 Lv3s. You could just make the Lv3 supers locked, like traditional K-Groove Rage. Or have a Lv3 they can perform w/o being in Rage, and another that can only be performed while in Rage.

C-Groove's "Meter Power" Mechanic: Easiest of them all. Your char just gains more attack, based on how much meter they have. Like, at least 1000 power though less than 2000 power would be a 5% ATK increase. 2000 >= & less than 3000 will give 10%. Finally, 3000/PowerMax will give 15%... Or perhaps make it 20%. That way, it will really have a baring on do you want to spend the meter? Or keep it for that nice ATK boost.

A/N Groove you already know. P Groove is trash so nobody cares.  Of course you can always implement something else you may feel could work. Or just leave the core as is. Just throwing some ideas your way.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on October 10, 2018, 07:08:17 pm
DW said, September 30, 2018, 10:42:04 pm
Isn't a V-Reversal just an Alpha Counter that's dependent on a separate gauge from the power meter? Also, from what I've seen in various matches, it doesn't look as good, cause a char can actually get hit out of the reversal. Also, why SFV Ryu? From what I've seen and heard, it's one of his worst incarnations in any FG he's appeared in. I know his new animations and gimmicks maybe appealing somewhat, though overall.... I suppose it doesn't matter too much, as you can work around any short-comings he has in SFV, tailoring him to how you see fit.

As far as the Focus Attack goes... I suppose that's cool. So, are you saying he'll still have the Roll mechanic? While replacing Dodge with Focus? Or by "Dodge" are you referring to both evasive maneuvers(Roll & Dodge)? IMO, if you really want to set things apart, you'll drop CC(A-Groove core) for a different "core" groove mechanic. I of course implemented Max Mode from N-Groove, though that's because it's my fave core mechanic from CvS. I can give a few suggestions, along with how I would implement said mechanics(if needed), because I've already brainstormed on this for years:

S-Groove's "Desperation" Mechanic: When char's life drops to approximately 30%(25%-35%) of max, all Lv1 supers become free. Lv3 super(s) are locked until the health requirement is reached. Since this style has EX moves, I suppose they can become free as well? It will require various testing regimes to balance it, though it could definitely work.

K-Groove's "Rage" Mechanic: Now this one would be interesting. Off hand, it won't work as is, meshing with mechanics like Power Charge and all... Though what I thought of doing was to make it a blend between Rage and SFIV's "Revenge" mechanic. So you have a separate "Rage" gauge, along with your normal power gauge. You can still perform EX moves/Lv1-Max supers with your normal power gauge. While mechanics such as Power Charge can still be kept. Once your char takes a certain amount of damage, the Rage activates, giving said char a huge boost in attack and defense. This Rage state will deplete over time of course. Now, you can go one of 2 ways for the Lv3 supers: I want to note that this is a mechanic I more so envisioned Infinite taking advantage of, as he likes to give his chars 2 Lv3s. You could just make the Lv3 supers locked, like traditional K-Groove Rage. Or have a Lv3 they can perform w/o being in Rage, and another that can only be performed while in Rage.

C-Groove's "Meter Power" Mechanic: Easiest of them all. Your char just gains more attack, based on how much meter they have. Like, at least 1000 power though less than 2000 power would be a 5% ATK increase. 2000 >= & less than 3000 will give 10%. Finally, 3000/PowerMax will give 15%... Or perhaps make it 20%. That way, it will really have a baring on do you want to spend the meter? Or keep it for that nice ATK boost.

A/N Groove you already know. P Groove is trash so nobody cares.  Of course you can always implement something else you may feel could work. Or just leave the core as is. Just throwing some ideas your way.

Its true you can get hit out of the V-reversal and I had it setup to
use meter from the power bar. This Ryu isn't bad, he has alot of
stuff he can do its just the nerfs he got that make him kinda bad lol.

He still has a FWD and back roll, he lost the dodge and its attacks
for the focus attack but he might lose those as well since the focus
attack can be a powerful tool if you know how to use it.  It has 1
hit of armor and you can easily dash cancel out of it, I use it like
a parry on projectiles and dash to close the gap. It it hits and you
dash into your enemy you get a shit ton of +adv to follow up a
combo with whatever you want.

I dropped the cc groove stuff already, the plan is to make a mode
similar to his v mode in sf5 and buff his attacks a bit, or ill check out
your ideas they do sound interesting and simpler to do lol
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: BurningSoul on October 10, 2018, 09:09:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vVH2Noj.png)well since I scrapped my denjin  ryu,might as well just throw this here,hades made it long time ago
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on October 11, 2018, 01:19:59 am
mete122 said, October 10, 2018, 09:09:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vVH2Noj.png)well since I scrapped my denjin  ryu,might as well just throw this here,hades made it long time ago


Yo that's dope I'll use it in his lvl 1 thanks dude.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: PeXXeR on October 11, 2018, 08:52:25 am
Looking forward to  Ryu dude. I enjoyed the CVTW one a lot.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on October 11, 2018, 10:52:02 am
PeXXeR said, October 11, 2018, 08:52:25 am
Looking forward to  Ryu dude. I enjoyed the CVTW one a lot.

I gotta get back to that, I had 5 chars playable when I
took a break and most of them are complete for now.

Thanks dude, Ryu is almost done but ive been tweaking
stuff everywhere to get him feeling right.  He definitely
feels faster(more CvS) than the last beta version I put up
that was mostly based on SFV frame data. 

Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: vyn on October 11, 2018, 05:19:34 pm
Memo said, October 11, 2018, 01:19:59 am
mete122 said, October 10, 2018, 09:09:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vVH2Noj.png)well since I scrapped my denjin  ryu,might as well just throw this here,hades made it long time ago


Yo that's dope I'll use it in his lvl 1 thanks dude.

prtty cool looking indeed. Are u gonna give it your own touch or as pots did it with the fade in and out?.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: DW on October 11, 2018, 06:31:00 pm
Memo said, October 10, 2018, 07:08:17 pm
Its true you can get hit out of the V-reversal and I had it setup to
use meter from the power bar.

My point is that V Reversal is just a "fancy" Alpha Counter. Really a worst version of an Alpha Counter.

Memo said, October 10, 2018, 07:08:17 pm
He still has a FWD and back roll, he lost the dodge and its attacks
for the focus attack but he might lose those as well since the focus
attack can be a powerful tool if you know how to use it.  It has 1
hit of armor and you can easily dash cancel out of it, I use it like
a parry on projectiles and dash to close the gap. It it hits and you
dash into your enemy you get a shit ton of +adv to follow up a
combo with whatever you want.

I wouldn't recommend it. Since Parry is apart of the system, using Focus to parry projectiles isn't very smart. :P Unless you took out Parry. While Focus cancels are nice, I don't really see that replacing Roll. It can replace Dodge though. The system also has Small Jump/Long Small Jump. Focus parrying projectiles in a SF4 setting is legit, though not with the current system you're working with. You'd be better off just Parrying it, rolling pass it, or Small Jump over it for a nice jump in punish.

Memo said, October 10, 2018, 07:08:17 pm
I dropped the cc groove stuff already, the plan is to make a mode
similar to his v mode in sf5 and buff his attacks a bit, or ill check out
your ideas they do sound interesting and simpler to do lol

Well ,the easiest would be the Meter Power mechanic. I could write up the code for you real quick if you want for that. The Desperation mechanic would be 2nd easiest. You'd just have to account for the low life trigger and possibly balancing the free allowance of EX moves. Though that's a bit questionable... Maybe EX moves shouldn't be free like Lv1 supers during Desperation.

The Rage mechanic would take about as much effort as implementing a V skill mode. Though none of them all particularity hard to implement. Just others will take more code to implement it properly.
Title: Re: Ryu SFV inspired wip
Post by: Memo on October 11, 2018, 11:21:16 pm
DW said, October 11, 2018, 06:31:00 pm
Memo said, October 10, 2018, 07:08:17 pm
Its true you can get hit out of the V-reversal and I had it setup to
use meter from the power bar.

My point is that V Reversal is just a "fancy" Alpha Counter. Really a worst version of an Alpha Counter.

Memo said, October 10, 2018, 07:08:17 pm
He still has a FWD and back roll, he lost the dodge and its attacks
for the focus attack but he might lose those as well since the focus
attack can be a powerful tool if you know how to use it.  It has 1
hit of armor and you can easily dash cancel out of it, I use it like
a parry on projectiles and dash to close the gap. It it hits and you
dash into your enemy you get a shit ton of +adv to follow up a
combo with whatever you want.

I wouldn't recommend it. Since Parry is apart of the system, using Focus to parry projectiles isn't very smart. :P Unless you took out Parry. While Focus cancels are nice, I don't really see that replacing Roll. It can replace Dodge though. The system also has Small Jump/Long Small Jump. Focus parrying projectiles in a SF4 setting is legit, though not with the current system you're working with. You'd be better off just Parrying it, rolling pass it, or Small Jump over it for a nice jump in punish.

Memo said, October 10, 2018, 07:08:17 pm
I dropped the cc groove stuff already, the plan is to make a mode
similar to his v mode in sf5 and buff his attacks a bit, or ill check out
your ideas they do sound interesting and simpler to do lol

Well ,the easiest would be the Meter Power mechanic. I could write up the code for you real quick if you want for that. The Desperation mechanic would be 2nd easiest. You'd just have to account for the low life trigger and possibly balancing the free allowance of EX moves. Though that's a bit questionable... Maybe EX moves shouldn't be free like Lv1 supers during Desperation.

The Rage mechanic would take about as much effort as implementing a V skill mode. Though none of them all particularity hard to implement. Just others will take more code to implement it properly.

Let me brainstorm this for a couple days so I can
make my mind up on the system, your ideas do
sound interesting so ill be hitting you back soon
for some feedback.

vyn said, October 11, 2018, 05:19:34 pm
Memo said, October 11, 2018, 01:19:59 am
mete122 said, October 10, 2018, 09:09:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vVH2Noj.png)well since I scrapped my denjin  ryu,might as well just throw this here,hades made it long time ago


Yo that's dope I'll use it in his lvl 1 thanks dude.

prtty cool looking indeed. Are u gonna give it your own touch or as pots did it with the fade in and out?.

ill probably use pots code to keep it similar to the one I already have finished up.