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M.U.G.E.N Central => M.U.G.E.N Discussion => Topic started by: Amidweiz on October 16, 2017, 04:42:20 am
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I know this is one of those question threads the pop up on this board now and then but I was genuinely curious what are some of the most controversial characters in mugen. The only one I can think up of is Evil homer by Warner and how Warner made him as a tribute to reu's death but backfired on him severely. (though the community was a bit more vicious then it is now but I can see why it happened)
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All I can think of are the hentai chars and the penis char lol
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Gurospoo. None of souken's other work gained nearly as much notoriety as that damn bell pepper.
Obviously Takakazu, but things are a little different nowadays... Possibly Kuro out of any of those characters?
Ogre by Jun, too. He used to be noteworthy.
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Since Evil Homer and Gurospoo were already mentioned, I'll bring up Shinrei's 10 dollar commissioned Shiki Ryougi.
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About sexual assault on MUGEN, there're some few names that are controversial by just naming tham: Kuromaru, Minotaur and Slime, the "trinity of sin" in MUGEN. Also Draculina, which is a wonderful char but full of NSFW references (dunno if Sky79 made a good job remaking her as Bathory, or if he finished)
About other controversial stuff, I think the bizarre version of Chanpuru (SS Mina's pet) by Souken was too gory even for Mortal Kombat standards
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Nigga by Jesuszilla; even JZ himself wants to forget its existence, I think the reasons should be obvious.
And how could we forget Psycho Shredder, aka Mr. MUGEN Nuclear Arms Race: the Character.
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Forgot a biggie: Carlos the Stickman.
No green boy clone before or after had anything of an impact as he did.
Possibly Super Mario 64? The main reason I say he's the only Mario with a more widespread influence than Super Mario.
OH YEAH, OH YEAH. Aaron Roulette.
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If you're going to drop Super Mario 64 in there, you might as well drop Hanyou's Naruto and Sasuke as well, but I wouldn't exactly call them controversial as much as I would call them stupidly overpowered and not very well done.
Just because a character is broken or not well made doesn't necessarily mean that they're controversial, especially the ones that end up quickly being forgotten. Stuff like the arms race caused by Psycho Shredder, the various Daniel "clones" that erupted, or even the adfly maze associated with Shadow Dragon, on the other hand...
And while we're on the topic of controversial releases, I might as well bring up BrokenMugenHD by Vyx.
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I mean, they might be OP, but Super Mario 64 was "the most broken Mugen character ever" for a long time.
I may have fucked up a little calling him controversial instead of... Influential, something like Claymizer's original Sonic. Maybe Daniel, the very original, was influential as opposed to controversial, too.
To rectify that, there was Alexlexus's old Street Fighter fullgame... Yeeeeaaahhh... Judgespear's Homer was pretty damn huge too.
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Another big example about a controversial character was Haruhi by Choiyer, not only she has a broken gameplay, she also has a lot of compatibilities with Kuromaru, slime, even Haruhi uses some NSFW moves like the "grab molester".
Another example were the cheapies, these chars were forbidden in Mugen Database since some of them uses dangerous methods even they could destroy a char or a part of the operative system.
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haruhi was a good mention since the first mentions were sfw for fighting game standars, then she got a peeing herself animation out of nowhere.
BBH's bbhood was pretty controversial on it's time, not only woudl he flood release boards with a lot of minor updates getting new topics, also,everything exploded back then because it was found out it had a lot of borrowed/stolen code back when people cared aobut that, plummeting the reputation of a relatively respected creator and getting him banned from the popular places.
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Forgot all about her, and didn't know about the BBH thing. Educational... Times really seemed to have changed.
Actarus's Peter.
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God Ken By Moldredd.
That didn't end well.
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I think God Orochi deserves a mention here. A product of the arms race, eventually became super divisive with the "rare character" people loving it and the more hard-line hating it.
It was a broken pile of crap though.
Also anything Kong made. There was a massive divide between IMT's praise and everyone else's revilement there.
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Pretty sure a lot of chuchoryu's characters could be put here
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Speaking of Kong, the entirety of Super Marvel vs. Capcom.
DDR's characters as well, for all the wrong reasons.
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I think God Orochi deserves a mention here. A product of the arms race, eventually became super divisive with the "rare character" people loving it and the more hard-line hating it.
Hyper Neo Kamek by NeoKamek as well, for similar reasons. HNK only kept the arms race going, especially considering it was made specifically for the whole Psycho Shredder "challenge" and prolonging it further. Hell, even the author's Kamek was pretty controversial by itself, and HNK was only an edit of that iirc. I mean, where exactly did Espeon & Umbreon come from on a Mario/Yoshi character?
On the topic of edits, do I dare mention the symbiote edits and the Kula & Len clones?
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Kamek was controversial? I just thought it was infamous. Aren't the only controversial Symbiote edits DarkMasao1's palleteswaps due to them just being paletteswaps...? Isn't everything he "made" pretty much controversial, spriteswapping Evil Homer into a MSPaint guy for example?
Also, Simon Belmont by Zox or something. Lots of arguments over him in the past.
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Kula/Len edits were really just passing fads TBH.
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Oak The Shadow Dragon by OakTheShadowDragon6060
Creator literally embodied the idea of controversy.
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Pretty sure a lot of chuchoryu's characters could be put here
If we take a specific case here - Chuchoryu's Asuka Kasama
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All those weird ronald mc donald god characters that just stand there and ko you in 1 second.
Just....why?
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I can't really call those controversial though as they just kinda exist and nobody really brings them up outside the niche circles that make them.
At least, from my perspective.
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I've got some big ones to mention regarding controversial M.U.G.E.N creations: Anything by Pgrs111MAGEN (or whatever the hell he goes by now), but especially his Miss Whore (which is a stolen spriteswap of Dragon Claw by the late Reuben Kee).
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I can't really call those controversial though as they just kinda exist and nobody really brings them up outside the niche circles that make them.
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Haruhi Suzumiya by Choiyer.
The amount of drama that occurred over at the MUGEN YouTube community is quite something to behold once the fetish elements started to leak into the character. Before, she was very much beloved. After a update and a video from one of the significant personalities, a significant fraction of the community, if not the majority, turned against her, with only a few hard-core fans and defenders still love her even with the fetish traits and flaws within what was a well-crafted character.
I cannot locate the specific video in question and I assume it is lost within the bowels of Youtube's copyright detection machine, but I know what it contains. It contains Haruhi fingering Peter Griffin by Warner with voice-over clips from the Family Guy episode where Peter gets a prostate exam and running out of said exam with his pants around his ankles.
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That really bad Minion character.
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Again, a character is not controversial if it's bad and nothing else. It has to be bad enough that mentioning it would cause forum threads to explode, or the creator did some really dumb shit, or it has porn in it, or something. Some unheard of character that was bad and nothing else, especially if nobody's heard of it, is not controversial.
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Alright...
...How about Idiot's spriteswaps? He had a couple Kuromaru swaps wedged in his pack. Don't think they're "forum destroying", though...
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Really the only hentai characters I know of with any controversy are Slime, Kuromaru, Minotaur and Tendril. Tendril being the worst as the creator was dangerously close to pedo levels of shit
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If you want pedo level shit and controversial Ronald shit, there's an edit which basically is named "lolita complex which will come back" or something like that. You can thank
blacklisted nibbas fot that one.
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He was just mentioning it briefly... She IS the worst however.
All Ronald should be controversial from the get-go, though.
Wait. What about Chotto-Komaru's Ryu. That one, not to be confused with like the other 2 or 3.
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He was just mentioning it briefly... She IS the worst however.
All Ronald should be controversial from the get-go, though.
Wait. What about Chotto-Komaru's Ryu. That one, not to be confused with like the other 2 or 3.
I can see how the hentai characters are controversial (Just due to their nature in general and their purpose of creation) but I don't really see how all versions of Ronald McDonald are controversial (I wasn't here back when the original version of kishio's Ronald McDonald was released, so I don't really know how it was received back then) I'd say more one the lines of prolific over time, same with a lot of characters based on famous properties that weren't in a FG initially. I was more thinking along the lines upon what orochi gill said.
Again, a character is not controversial if it's bad and nothing else. It has to be bad enough that mentioning it would cause forum threads to explode, or the creator did some really dumb shit, or it has porn in it, or something. Some unheard of character that was bad and nothing else, especially if nobody's heard of it, is not controversial.
Which characters more like evil homer, Haruhi Suzumiya, Silent storm, Naked Crazy Joe XXX, Schoolgirl Lilith, Tan's Gato, stuff that you would see in the hall of fame would fit the bill. Though another question does arise, is controversy on the front of what people on YouTube think a mugen character is controversial the same is what people on mugen forums think a mugen character is controversial considering that they are pretty intertwined together (Hell I don't mugen would be as popular as it is without YouTube to be honest)
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Wait, what did Gato and that Lilith do to be any form of infamous?
Yeah, good point on my Donald comment...
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Gato was the first, and maybe the only only, password protected character ever.
Back in the days of winmugen you could zip your characters' files to save space if you had an extra .dll (I think?). It was never a terribly popular practice, but keep in mind we're talking turn of the decade here, hard drives over 100 GB were luxury items only computer geeks had. Tan found out winmugen could still load the character's files from a password protected zip, so he released a Gato that could be played as, but not modified unless you broke the encryption. "Closed source" taken to its logical conclusion.
Edit: Here's the release thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/gato-xi-tan-71575.0.html), it was memorable enough to get the Hall of Fame.
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Kof memory by zelgadis, iirc his fullgame was one of the first to use the now defunct molebox, and refused to share anything inside it claiming everything was from his own authorship, which made him gain hordes of haters, eventually it was revealed that most of the content was "stolen" and used without permission and he was banned from everywhere.
Some time later with his second release lvl 2 or something, using music from some obscure Japanese composer and according to him it was specifically composed for his game and also refusing to reveal any info about the origin of the music used, which just fanned the flames of hate towards him. And anyone posting "bad" feedback (such as bugs) was banned from his forum.
Also he's partially to blame for the current situation on the mugen arms overflowing with gustab and elements clones. The other part to blame being the fanboys
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Kof memory by zelgadis, iirc his fullgame was one of the first to use the now defunct molebox, and refused to share anything inside it claiming everything was from his own authorship, which made him gain hordes of haters, eventually it was revealed that most of the content was "stolen" and used without permission and he was banned from everywhere.
Some time later with his second release lvl 2 or something, using music from some obscure Japanese composer and according to him it was specifically composed for his game and also refusing to reveal any info about the origin of the music used, which just fanned the flames of hate towards him. And anyone posting "bad" feedback (such as bugs) was banned from his forum.
Also he's partially to blame for the current situation on the mugen arms overflowing with gustab and elements clones. The other part to blame being the fanboys
:gossip:
I remember that, that entire situation was bullshit... also fuck molebox.
but for real, that was bullshit.
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If you want pedo level shit and controversial Ronald shit, there's an edit which basically is named "lolita complex which will come back" or something like that. You can thank blacklisted nibbas fot that one.
The fucking loli Remilia Scarlet rape images in his intro still traumatize me to this day, thanks for bringing that shit back up... --;
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... Those vore characters/edits.
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... Those vore characters/edits.
They fall in the same bag as the rape editions..
IIRC it was a yoshi that started it. The author was sternly reprimanded for it. I don't remember if it was here or in MI, anyways it was not very well received, but 'those' kind of editors saw potential in it, took the vore and ran with it....
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That Minions Dave and a couple of Ax's characters, surprised they didn't come up either.
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I'd be nice if, for the uninformed, you stated why they're controversial.
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Alright, fine... Well Dave "dude mugen"-d too hard and had borderline/probably porn in his sprites... And Ax's behavior back then, coupled with "the poor quality" of his characters, made him somewhat infamous if I remember correctly. Maybe there was stolen code...?
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Ax took people's sprites and edited them without permission
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Didn't he deny it too
Also, I think grafo_maxi's Cattleya just makes the bill here. Not only was the creation horrible, the creator had an incredibly immature (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/cattleya-for-queen-blade--113193.0.html) reaction to all the feedback for more or less unexplained reasons (you'll need to go through his post history as he deleted all of his posts from the thread), plus it also had a possibly fetishistic "sexy KO" included (that I actually had to cover up in a video and accidentally had a couple seconds of it visible but nothing's come of it in 7 years so). There wasn't anything really redeemable about the character at all and those that remember this mess, well, it was a bad one.
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I mean if we're going to talk about Ax, then it'd probably be worth bringing up his Green Ranger since it seemingly caused Verz and Loganir to quit MUGEN. I'm not an expert on what exactly happened, but I believe it involved Ax taking the sprites of an unfinished(?) character by Verz and Loganir (I think it was Cyclops?), and using them as a base for Green Ranger while also failing to give credit.