Jesuszilla said, October 25, 2016, 03:49:09 am

And issue a permaban to Jason Bourne

such an attitude, no wonder your site is a ghost town

JNP stated a few posts ago that crediting is recommended, not a requirement, so stop acting like it's one

Should you lift considerable parts from another piece of MUGEN content to use that in your "own" work without mentioning this fact to anyone and this circumstance is later discovered (very often, it is!), it would end up making you look pretty silly in many people's eyes.

But we would not ban you for it--if you admit your actions and don't act stupid about it. Needless to say, it would be better if you made it public knowledge just what you have taken from which source from the beginning (in a readme file, for example).

Example cases follow:

1) Let's say you "release" Eli's Venom with two different palettes, regardless of whether or not you say it's your own or Eli's, whether you're upfront about it or try to talk yourself out of it: you will at least be laughed at, "Haha this is just Eli's Venom with two new palettes, why didn't you just release the palettes separately? Did you think nobody would notice? :p" And if you'd really try to talk yourself out of something as obvious as this, you might get banned pretty fast. Liars get no love.

2) You work for a pretty long time on a Darkstalkers character, release it and it's quite all right, except it then turns out you worked from the sprite file another person put together--

• admit it and maybe even offer an apology for not saying so from the start... you've probably lost honor points, but all right.
• deny it before somebody posts proof, then flip out and yell at everybody and you run into the chance of getting into trouble . . .
• had you made this known from the start, no prob, especially since you produced a decent character despite "stealing"

3) Or if you release something like this strangely popular Nightmare Broli (yeah, we also don't disallow links to "stolen" content)--you will be laughed at, not because you took lots of stuff from other chars and put it together as if you made the entire thing, but mainly because you did so very badly: this Broli is a terrible character by most people's standards. You don't miss anything by not downloading it, and I recommend you not waste your time by doing so--but if you want to, that's your choice. We're not your mothers or the Internet police, we believe in information and choice. A choice in this example case? Download and enjoy the original instead, the one and only Broli by The Necromancer.

To enable such informed decisions for everybody it is necessary that whenever "stolen" things are on topic, it should be noted what's up. By "noted" I do mean "noted," friendly facts, and not screaming bloody murder, "suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuux this is §%&"§$!"§ stolen crap!!!!!!!"

In that way users will be informed of the situation, can make their own choices according to their own conscience, and as for "Give respect to the original authors!! Don't allow links or anything!". . . suppose, to get back to the Broli example, that you're the original MUGEN creator of Broli, see it like this:

Those visitors who just read up there that Nightmare Broli is really badly put together from different sources and still insist on downloading and calling it the greatest character of all time... well, who cares about what such people think anyway? They obviously have little idea, and a lot to learn. Is it worth getting worked up over them? We think not.

It's more because the problem who that subject causes everytime he posts something.

ShinZankuro, you DO know that he is mainly MMV user. He continue his releases for THEM, not us. And you know about MMV Friendly politics- every work there counts as great one. No, to be friendly is good way, but in plan of feedback and quality this site is too friendly, and you can see results of it- Chuchoryu's characters with wasted potential and scandals about discredits.

Jason Bourne said, October 25, 2016, 04:53:38 am

Jesuszilla said, October 25, 2016, 03:49:09 am

And issue a permaban to Jason Bourne

such an attitude, no wonder your site is a ghost town

I've rarely banned anyone, but I'm quite happy that it's dead rather than full of inbred users like you.

Trololo said, October 25, 2016, 05:20:05 am

ShinZankuro, you DO know that he is mainly MMV user. He continue his releases for THEM, not us. And you know about MMV Friendly politics- every work there counts as great one. No, to be friendly is good way, but in plan of feedback and quality this site is too friendly, and you can see results of it- Chuchoryu's characters with wasted potential and scandals about discredits.

Well, the problem in fact is how he is being "oriented" to do his works.

Not exactly the whole forum[MMV one], but more by certain users who "cheer up" him instead of really directing him to the right side. Especially if he wants to make good characters [And in fact.. He managed do make some chars with a certain quality.].. Since he probably noticed some users wants to BASH him directly here, he releases his works more to "who likes more"

The resume of all: He needs better influences.

ignore it and move on

He doesn't need better anything. He needs people to stop feeding him attention every time he does this stuff. If he wants to improve once he's noticed that his thread is a circlejerk of the same two or three users giving him empty praise then great and if not so be it.

Such as it is, I'd like to challenge you guys. When this inevitably happens again, once you see that somebody's already called attention to it

Titiln said, October 25, 2016, 05:21:58 am

ignore it and move on

Just as an experiment! Let's see what happens!